Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Vecna]

I thought you were against someone infiltrating your masonry.

I am against a rando infiltrating our hood. I am 100% for a town-by-having-vigged scum player joining us.

If we get two people who join us, then it's a 1v1.

Also, there's a decent chance that FL is the vig, in which case he joins us and the scum can't kill him tonight. (I checked with FG when this occurred to me, the joining of our neighborhood would apply before the scumkill.)

dude, noone should join us. not worth pyshing the caffeine clock. were already fine on the lynch vs nk clock

[Vecna]

And hilariously, what might have been a really silly mistake by one of us could work out quite well depending on ceph's flip.

this post feels really weird and fishy. unless i missed something.

[Vecna]

Me neither.

As you guys probably should have guessed, we're cops of random sanities.

Three of us acted, and thus became caffeinated. Croag neglected to act because she's too cool to submit investigations.

Unfortunately, absolutely none of our investigations so far will ever be useful. Penguin investigated pops for heaven knows what reason, and I investigated Fish, who was killed. Both of those investigation came back Town, so PP and I are naive / insane.

Ceph claims to have investigated Gork and gotten guilty. We don't know if he's telling the truth and it doesn't matter. Ceph and Croag are paranoid/sane.

this was really stupid to out

[Vecna]

I should say, cops of unknown sanity. Like the doc hood, we know there's one of each.

Wait but wtf?

How do you know eachothers results? you dont have bloody daytalk.

[Vecna]

The neighborhood is locked at night, how did Ceph tell you he got guilty unless you have a scum PT with him

The joke is funnier now that I have explained it.

Also just curious is there anything on the planet earth that would influence your scumread of me Bingle?

I think you've called me scum twice for each alignment indicative post I've made.

ugh, catching up after the fact is such a bore. let me have some of that spotlight already.

[Vecna]

Why would you bother assigning a letter to Vecna, Marquis, and Bingle

tundundun

[Vecna]

well that sure was interesting. stuff happened. a lot of stuff.

[Vecna]

also, I want to be the o e to hammer chandra.

Seeing how i semi caught his ass in pretty much his/my first post, that seems only just

[Vecna]

I will repeat:

Chandra claims to have acted (most likely lying)
Kagami claims to have acted
PP claims to have acted
JJD claims to have acted
Vecna claims to be already caffeinated from the start
Marquis was hinted (by Vecna) to have acted
"unknown Vig" may or may nor have acted

That's SEVEN bloody caffeinated slots. The Mod says only 4.

I was taking a gamble on what happened with marquis, but I was probably wrong.

Ive already explained my situation in the hood last night and see no reason to discuss it right now. itll only serve as a distraction

[Vecna]

k pops, do you want to wait for Croag, or can we just end the day? I want to get back to puzzles.

So im in a position to lol-hammer now, ignore pops request, deny chandra any last words, and just be a general smug asshat?

Goddamn, you people sure ask a lot of me.

[Vecna]

and on top of that, the irony of hammering chandra, who was most likely faking early game anger over me threatening to lolhammer people without a claim, and called out for it......

a goodness, its almost too much to resist.

[Vecna]

I just typed a hammer post and deleted it. Why do you want a croag post?

I'm paranoid the codenames game is madeup and Kagami+Chandra slipped in referencing sharing investigation results, because their codenames schema seems really silly in several ways, including assigning you a letter.

they have a hood of 4?

You really think the mod was so devious to put three scum in there? and them then havibg the audacity to kill croag of all people?

Didnt they say that chandra made the schema? because then it kinda makes sense why it has some non-town-touches, no?

[Vecna]

what?

[Vecna]

I really dont get why you think a mod would ever answer that.

Yikes.

Even if all hoods have one scum, why would the mod answer that question?

[Vecna]

something something, asking me to risk my hammer over this type of nonsense.

[Vecna]

I honestly was hoping chandra would pop in ere to see his impending doom......but the itch

THE ITCH

[Vecna]

I really dont get why you think a mod would ever answer that.

Yikes.

Even if all hoods have one scum, why would the mod answer that question?

Vecna argues with Vecna



so clearly a neighborhood can have three scum
and I don't put that past this mod

Im not arguing that. im arguing that scum would completely give themselves away by shooting croag, if that were the case, and they did some weird made up thing with a list. THAT IN ITSELF would already risk just popping in at anytime and saying lolnope.

And I was arguing that your question to the mod is just plain rediculous, and theres no universe in which you design aetupa or mod yourself, and expect to get an answer to that. it just feels like weird posturing.

[Vecna]

would risk croag just sayibg its bs during the day**

[Vecna]

are there actually still people scumreading croag?

[Vecna]

......wow, thats low bingle

[Vecna]

i was just even about to do it as well because i saw you online and had a susp you would.

[Vecna]

I can't find an emoji that reflects my anger with you

I wouldn’t have except I figured you would and taking your fun away is the true win condition. Fuck lynching scum, we just gotta ensure Vecna has maximum salt.

you just scum realizing you had to be on that wagon to look good

grrrmbll

[Vecna]

obviously

[Vecna]

VOTE: doublevote chandra

can I like, at least have an honourable mention, mod?

[Vecna]

I really don’t think the cop hood had two scums in it bingle

Because you think it's reasonable that 3 cops could get scum results on 1/5 of the reasonable targets for them on N1? If so, why? And that's assuming that the remaining scumteam is in {FL, pops, Vecna, Marquis}, so it's probably even more likely.

2/4 dont get real results (naive/paranoid)
the other 2 cant get results on 2 of the hoods.

I dont really see the big issue. Allthough to be fair, I have been working on the wrong assumption they were all 1 shot. No idea why.

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Scum shooting pine (if that was scum) sorta implies they are more afraid of the tracker than of the cops. If Marquis/Bingle was scum, they would just be the ones doing the killing, so the tracker wouldnt be a priority here.

My bets on the last 2 scum being in the miller and doc hood.

[Vecna]

Btw, Vecna continues to be a beacon of logic. I don't necessarily agree on his conclusion(s) but he sure does use his brain (you know, that part of his body that's inside his scull)

ugh, i wish you wouldnt do this, because it does make me even more suspicious

[Vecna]

Why I'm still alive?

VOTE: FL

Don't mind lynching JJD either

As if NOW, I don't mind lynching this out of spite. If it came down to D1L vs an outed scum I am going to vote D1L still.

Let's see, you conf town for pushing Chandra, right? Why you didn't voted her and parked your vote on ofrhz? Where were you, when I was calling people to go after Chandra? Right, foing your little "Do you want lynch me?" game. Chandra strangely never voted you despite going after our hood and voting me with ofrhz, she was even saying we had 2 scum in our hood.

I told you plain and simple - start acting towny and I will TR you, remember what you told me? That you don't care if I TR you or not, so why so fuss now again?

Have you discussed with PP who to check or you both decided yourself on check targets?

They both decided on theor own, which is why they ended up checking the same player. Get out of here.

I'd like quote about that. If you can't provide one, don't get in my way - is it that hard for you to understand that I want to see if either of them tried to influence other's decision


I love how you call Bingle out on "3 cops", yet you completely disregard his claim that someone joined their hood and we just need to wait for result on Marquis claim. On top of that, that someone is either ofrhz or Chenis. Cops wasting check? I'd lynch on the spot them, Pop didn't used FN, FL claims not used his shot, you claim used yours N1 and I sure as hell didn't used mine

If there is scum in unkillable hood, my sights goes for Bingle

P-Edit: I"m scum after sitting on Chandra's ass all game, but you should be cleared for "pushing her" you made my day, JJD

This slot just went back again to "so town it hurts".

Where was this type of posting all of day2. I was severely starting to doubt my d1 read, but im fully confident again.

[Vecna]

My neighborhood directly influences me so it's my first focus.

Hm.

I would recommend not letting them influence you very much as a general rule.

VOTE: Chandar

I feel i’m getting hatchet gaslit. Stances are making sure I don’t gain momentum.

This is what happens when I’m town.

I’m never scum with Chandar here throughout

complete bullshit post. This sounded fucking awkward when you posted it, and chandra also acted super confused.

If anything id call it a classic svs interaction, and the fact you somehow think this is meant for us to go "oh yeah this is clearly SvT" shows a pretty big disconnect to reality.

[Vecna]

My Chandar paranoia was correct, I think my D1L is too

I still lean D1L town, but the lynch pool today should 100% be my hood/doc hood.

Of those names, Marquis is off the table 100% unless someone comes into the thread with a guilty on him. I tr Vec and D1L. I want to lynch JJD with all of my hearts. All like 7 of them, but that pool is definitely where we should be lynching today, despite the fact that purely from a balance perspective, one of Croag/PP should be scum.

Why not the miller hood?

[Vecna]

gamestate dictates jjd and i are the mislynch candidates for scum. Chandra also never gets in the situation they did with one of us as their scum partner.

Chandra was on and off pushing me depending on how i acted towards her.

I feel I was the main mislynch candidate, and when I wasn’t happening, they pivoted over to JJd, so that means there’s likely a strong player, possibly bingle, with an incorrect read thus making it easy for scum.

There are way too many people ‘cleared unless...’ which there’s always that unless. That is the mark of scum interference.

Scum has been on me, and scum has been on jjd, maybe not voting wise, but push and agenda wise.

Youre claiming chandra scumslipped because he didnt have amazing teammates? What were you gonna do, convince chandra to let you proofread his posts before posting them?

[Vecna]

Also, Bingle was going hard on Pops yesterday, where’s that now?

If Pops is the one who “got confirmed of Marquis” then Bingle’s playing is all and is why stuff is being kept in the dark.

I’m on Pops/Bingle atm.

We as a hood have zero reason to townread pops.

[Vecna]

anyways, I didnt quote any of the posts, but i did like FLs posting streak that followed.

I vontinue to waffle hard on the slot, but at least im cooling off severly from calling it a slamdunk scumread.

[Vecna]

VOTE: PopsO

[Vecna]

Ugh, fucking hell

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: Pops

Is it at all feasible that the pops replacement came in and was instantly told in scumchat to claim the way it did? That seemed pretty genuine/smooth

[Vecna]

Gorkington is capable of stellar play as scum.

So is Chennis, even though his play this game feels miles away from his last game (even though that might be by design since the playerlists are so similair)

I have to be wrong about a townread somewhere, unless the scum is literally in FL/PP/JJD, or the replacement just got queued in what to say really well.

[Vecna]

VOTE: PenguinPower

[Vecna]

And Marquis is somehow a multi shot Vigilante? Alright.

There’s scum in either Bingle or Marquis

why you keep saying this? marquis shit fish n1 and kagami n2.

spotted the mistake but not fixing it

[Vecna]

If you only knew my POV...

So stop being an ass. I’ll be back Saturday.

this defense really doesnt feel like scum though.

UNVOTE: penguin

[Vecna]

Also, why no one talking about elephant in the room - Pine's kill over Croag

I did talk about it.

fearing the tracker over potential sane cop.

meaning the scum is either entirely in my hood, the miller hood, or they know theyre scum cops themselves meaning itll be harder to resolve sanities.

or thats just what they want us to think

[Vecna]

But wasn't Vecna, who convinced Marquis to shoot Fish?

^^Bingle is forgetting his own reasons. It seems that every layer of lies he adds blocks his memory from remembering what he had said earlier.

Let me simplify things for the rest: According to Bingle it was Vecna who convinced Marquis to shoot Monger, and it was Marquis who actually did shoot Monger. So WHO is left from that hood?? I can't hear you... LOUDER.

Hmmm.

I do have to say, it was the reason that marquis townreads me, because according to him, it was the way I described fishs progression that caused him to shoot fish.

However, bingle citing that as reason is a bit odd, but who knows, he might just be using it as a shortcut.

I still have failed to spot any major red flags in bingles play. The only thing I dont like is how he has started including me as a maybe scum in his reads, almost as if hes already preparing for the future where he might have to lynch me.

I find it hard to judge here if my plays been towny enough to be widely townread just on play. the way i pressured chandra on day1 should speak in my favour though.

Either way, this game feels really close to a solve. which probably means im wrong about a read somewhere.

[Vecna]

Hmmmm

[Vecna]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[Vecna]

bingle.

from a scum pov they really cannot townread me. Yet the key players are doing that. How are they going to kill me even if they mislynch you? clearly they need the caffeine victory here.

do the numbers. do they still trust im caffeine addicted here?

[Vecna]

depending on whether JJd is truthtelling, marquis and the cop situation.

huh.

[Vecna]

strongly insinuated he was some sort of investigative

[Vecna]

Like straight up. People just play at a surface level their entire lives and can’t see past :shrug:

seriously, enough of this bullshit.

this playerlist is good enough to catch way better scumplayers than you.

If youre town, show it by playstyle, not "because youd be so omega-awesome youd never get in this position" as scum.

[Vecna]

]VOTE: bingle
lets fucking kick this guys ass

pedit: hmm i think ceph is playing kond of dofferent so far tbh

Oh look, an early comment on ceph’s play. Interesting.

this though

Hmmm

[Vecna]

Maybe he has a bad memory.

I don’t remember where i played with him

Interesting! I think this makes FL town? (my LAW supersedes anyone else's reads)

Hmm. I may have gotten pocketed subconsciously pretty early.

Which checks out because I’m 3 for 3 with catching scumA50.

I also feel JJD set me up tonlook bad even before I got a chance to scumread him.

I also feel gorkington was too town to be town. the slot was fucking flawless. chenn though....made me doubt that read.

Also, too town to be town should be a thing.

[Vecna]

He was actively buttering up and appealing to me because he knew I was a Vig and didn’t want to get shot, but he knew by town reading me directly and too hard, I’d get suspicious, so if you look back at our previous back and forth, he also had an off trajectory

I said OK, dammit! Let someone else speak

(And now you know why FL wasn't playing the game YET, because once he got the mic he assumes its his own property for good)

Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?

That's not how I see it.

What I see is FL is 100% TOWN here (and NOT lying about his role.. this has to do with how survivalistic FL is as scum).

PP is very likely caught scum, but not 100%. There's a slight chance of mod-fuckery here still.

But I do believe in lynching PP anyway now because I support gun control. (Yes, I do. ONLY JUDGES should have access to any kind of lethal weapon).

Yeah and I'm challenging the read. It's a read that doesn't take into account that FL is good at scum and just generally projects confidence

This is ofrhz knowing PP (the fake one ) is flipping town and is lining up FL for a mislynch.

i think i want this
VOTE: bingle

I can get behind that for now

VOTE: Bingle

Ugggh.

Yeah, It’s JJD-Chennis.

this is bad though.

scum talking to scum, to get behind it?

works against the theory imo

[Vecna]

Spoiler:

VOTE: bingle

For some reason I’m getting scum vibes here

He seems to be speaking less than town!bingle

I know that’s meta but like eh

Also, I genuinely don’t get the thing with perry

I think it’s semantics
Like I can’t remember word for word my role pm and I wouldn’t want someone to hold it against me

so can someone explain to me definitively, why, perry is scum

the way it looks to me is he is a miller (which by defn appears as scum) and said this

and apparently... that makes him scum? does this mean the miller neighbourhood DONT appear as scum? otherwise whats the issue

wait lmao im even more confused

not that i dont want it but why is what im saying clearing me

it seems ive found the secret formula

Lmaoooooo someone please explain the scum read on me right now

U bantering

i want to trust in my hood

i dont think any of them are maf

can someone double confirm to me who has claimed what hood and who they are with please

sorry to be a pain

im looking at popsofctown today

Don’t.

Do it tomorrow.

Pops is confirmable.

why tomorrow? why not today?

You know what?

Why not just lynch Croag? I feel like it’s going to be that big of an issue, why the hell not just lynch Croag today? Does anybody town read the slot? Like, I am not scum reading them by any means, but if croag’s town, they’re gonna be mislynched eventually anyways. Let’s just vote them.

VOTE: Croag

scummiest post ive ever read

>not scum reading them
>lets just lynch them anyway

lmao

Oh and im 50% sure chenn is scum

I'm not sure how many scum there are though?

popping in here, quickly browing the last 3-4 pages, throwing out some unreadable responses......not exactly allowing us to sort you either.

Youre not playing the game. You dont have any reads. You dont make any statements that allow us to read you.

Either its a strategy, or you should just not be playing (because youre not).

How do you propose we deal with your slot croag?

i have read the entire thread & just now read all pages from when i last was here.

I have already given my reads.

The entirety of my hood is town. That is my read and that is something I have already posted in here. Just because everyone else was saying the same thing, apparently, does not make it any less valid that it is coming from me.

I have voted for pops. That is one of my reads for a scum slot.

If you want other reads from me, I think DOL and JJD are scum.

Theres some reads, enjoy.

considering no one is helping me out

ive just read every post where hood was mentioned

can someone confirm to me if i have this right


{
Vecna
Marquis
Bingle
}

{
Croag
Penguin
Chandra
Kagami
}

{
Pops
FL
Perry - vig? town and dead
}

{
JJD
OFRHZ
DOL
Chenn
}

I haven't been able to sort Pine, Fish or Kuribo. I'm not sure what
Teenage Troublemaker
Self-Proclaimed Anarchist
Laboratory Technician
means and what hood that implies they are in

why is there 17 players? was there one hood with 5 in?

Kuribo, Fish and Pine were apparently together in a hood.

For all we know, Kuribo was actually a suicide bomber and just exploded on Fish.

Heck, I actually like that idea, it fits somewhat with self-proclaimed anarchist flavour, and at least that would somehow explain why he suddenly went and claimed the way he did (after making up his mind he was 100% gonna explode on Fish).

I probably couldnt be further from the truth, but I wouldve liked that to actually have been what happened.

makes sense

fsr i just thought it was 4, 4, 4, 4, (1) because mine is a 4

You know, a lot of these just scream NAI or slightly townie, but when putting them all together, I’m lock towning this slot. No more ISO necessary for Croag.

I also really liked the 50% Chen scum read they had, which actually makes me feel more comfortable about my ChennScum solve.

welcome to like, two weeks ago.

[Vecna]

Really, were going to vca scum into arbitrary piles now? Can we not waste our time on such pointless exercises?

AWESOME!!!

This means my VCA is likely pretty decent.

I dno, this is again starting to feel desperate

[Vecna]

Really, were going to vca scum into arbitrary piles now? Can we not waste our time on such pointless exercises?

AWESOME!!!

This means my VCA is likely pretty decent.

I dno, this is again starting to feel desperate

Which proves you are surface level with no accurate measurement of my scum play meaning all your comments on anything related to skill level is irrelevant because you talk whilst uneducated.

And i have a super chill demeanor with these past few pages. You’re just throwing desperate in to throw the word in, which is again, surface level of you.

Just because you use a lot of words to describe a simple concept dont make you some advanced player.

saying you wouldnt do somethibg as scum, simply means you would do it while applaying 3rd or 5th level wifom.

This does not make you a wizard.

[Vecna]

PP claims to act N2, not N1, I don't see problem there. He never claimed to act N1, he simply didn't denied assumption that he acted N1 and it's smart, scum wouldn't consider him as a target, if they think he already used his ability

Have you played with town A50? I'm really curious why you so hung up on fact that he isn't lying about acting N1. I've seen him flipping his claim as town in the past, so I take that as a NAI

Also I see you finally noticed that there was 0 people caffeinated at the start

This has already been discussed. It doesn’t matter.

Day 3 has 4 caffeinated.

Bingle
Vecna
Marquis
PP
JJD

Like drop Night 1 from your mind. It’s still accurate.

Also, talking about surface level play, and then making these posts as a foundation for something is just hilarious.

[Vecna]

I was just curious how Bingle knew there was 3 vigs D2 and made some theory

I didn't. Technically, I still don't. I trust FL's claim, he didn't set it up the way he does gambit claims (as I mentioned). I trust Marquis's claim there's no way he risks the cc for no reason when he's already this far behind. I trust the dead townie. I trust that the doc hood isn't collectively lying about the mod confirmation that there's a CPR doc.

Dead vig + fish kill + CPR doc who didn't act is 3 vigs.

Dead vig + FL claim + CPR doc killed fish is 3 vigs.

With my D2 knowledge, it was basically assured there were 3 vigs.

With my current knowledge, it's pretty likely there's 4 vigs.

So you think FL would really waste a vig shot to get in on our secrets?

[Vecna]

Not voting for this. This will flip town.

Hilarious how everyone suddenly feels like its a good idea to let the scummiest people lead this lynch.

[Vecna]

VOTE: JJD

[Vecna]

Screw it.

I’m Coming into your PT, Bingle.

VOTE: Orfhz

nah, you getting vigged tonight.

[Vecna]

Pretty sure this very situation almost rules out FL and bingle from being scum together. It wouldve been game over with the information they would posses.

Marquis suddenly stated at the end of night he had been lying yet again. He before claimed compulsive N1/2/3 vig, now he stated it was only 2 shots.

Im not really sure what to think of this game anymore.

[Vecna]

I pushed pretty hard on bingle in the hood during the night. I was very suspicious of him trying to promote FL joining us and getting caffeinated for nothing whatsoever.

The fact it suddenly didnt happen is.....meh, whatever.

[Vecna]

i still get the feeling from your posts you know stuff youre not supposed to know FL

[Vecna]

Actually, both bingle and Marquis were extremely quiet during the night

[Vecna]

I pushed pretty hard on bingle in the hood during the night. I was very suspicious of him trying to promote FL joining us and getting caffeinated for nothing whatsoever.

The fact it suddenly didnt happen is.....meh, whatever.

Who do you think is scum in the 5 caffeinated? We have to hit the scum in there today. Unless we’re absolutely positive we can hit the scum in you, Bingle, Chennis, if there even is one.

We just know for a fact there’s at least 1 scum in the caffeinated.

Again, PP/Croag kind of seem like obvtown at this point unless one of them popping off.

Marquis *could be scum, but I see him like townMastina right now.

Which leaves JJD (I’m there still for you guys technically)

If I were scum, my only potential partners leftover would be Marquis, Chennisden, Vecna.

I think PP is one of the scum at this point. Dude has done absolutely zero for anyone to get a read on him, unless you have some seriously deep rooted meta on his nonchalance playstyle.

The fact you state he's obv-town is really weird to me.

Also, im pretty sure my hoodmates can confirm im not scum with you.

[Vecna]

What are the results of the cops theyve gotten so far? Is there actually anything usefull in there at all?

[Vecna]

Im also a bit surprised JJD never told us what was so important for him to get caffeinated over N1

[Vecna]

If bingle is scum here, he wouldve shot Chennisden 100% of the time.

If he is scum, he is scum with Chennis.

[Vecna]

Oh wait, D1L was a doctor, not a sane cop.

Ignore everything I said about bingle and chennis then. That were some shitty assumptions all around

[Vecna]

My memory for this game is foggy as shit. Even JJD did tell us why/how he acted N1

The D1L kill makes perfect sense, since he definitely wasnt caffeinated.

[Vecna]

VOTE: FL

Yeah, now that I know the FN claim was actually genuine, I dont really see why you would shoot that slot

[Vecna]

I’m actually a confirmed Vigilante now, so it’s funny I’m getting voted

Or potentially scum with Marquis and some unknown shenanigans happening.

[Vecna]

surface read is fl/bingle

Vecna said we’re specifically unable to be scum together, but I’m not entirely sure why.

I retracted this straight after because it was based on false logic

[Vecna]

I’m actually a confirmed Vigilante now, so it’s funny I’m getting voted

Or potentially scum with Marquis and some unknown shenanigans happening.

Marquis is the only method by which Fish Monger died that has claimed.

Potential alternatives: JJD is CPR doc who hit a buddy on N1. Actual vig who shot Fish is not cc-ing because they hate us and actively want to lose the game. The n1 kill was actually on a fakeclaiming PGO.

I want to lynch JJD, which will solve that potential issue. If JJD flips CPR doc, he was probably lying about targeting ofhrz and Marquis looks a hell of a lot worse.

If the N1 kill had been on a PGO, I don't see how marquis could have known that when he claimed, given that FL was a claimed vig at the time and could well have acted. That's a ballsy move that I'm not even considering. It could mean FL and Marquis are scum together, except that I've spent the last two nights talking Marquis down from murderlating FL. So for Marquis to be scum, both me and FL have to be scum (which is dumb) OR JJD has to be scum (he is, but that's not directly indicative of Marquis scum) in which case the first correct choice is to LYNCH JJD.

teal deer: I don't show the work when it's basic addition.

Bad Vecna. I already had to shout down stupid scumreads on 'quis today.

So mechanically youre totally fine with a town with these cops also having 3 town vigs?

HUH.

Colour me intrigued in this narrative.

[Vecna]

The more people keep talking like this, the more im starting to believe in a Bingle + FL scumteam.

Which is....quite the accomplishment really.

Id have totally bought and voted for a JJD scumwagon, but this shit just feels wrong on so many levels.

[Vecna]

Yeah JJD, stop the fucking selfvoting and play properly if youre town.

Thats not how you laid down to die last game you were town and I was literally deathtunneling your ass. So why do it now.

[Vecna]

He cannot be scum, unless scum had another way to dispose of kagami N2 though.....

I could see, in a far-away fantasy land how the claimed parity cop was instead a reflexive suicide bomber or w/e that is called in proper naming convention, and played the way he did to attract the N1 kill and drag a scum with him.

The missing N2 kill, meh. I dont see how that one came from scum really.

Marquis was also pretty town by play at every stage of the game, except for more recent. But thats mainly just him being absent.

[Vecna]

The more people keep talking like this, the more im starting to believe in a Bingle + FL scumteam.

Which is....quite the accomplishment really.

Id have totally bought and voted for a JJD scumwagon, but this shit just feels wrong on so many levels.

If Bingle and i were scum, there were much easier routes we could have taken to win the game.

Please, enlighten me

[Vecna]

JJD and PP should be in a 1v1,

Yeah, if that's the case I'd vote myself 10 times out of 10. However, YOUm Sir are scum here.

And that’s why this is indirectly a scum slip.

Town never does that in this scenario because it’s game over.

I don’t think its even being considered lynching outside of you today, tbh, just trying to get all the pieces.

You keep saying this, but its 6v2 atm

Theres at least two town not caffeinated, so how is it over tomorrow?

Like I said, you keep either spreading false arguments, or you know more than you should.

[Vecna]

Bingle, whats your profession?

[Vecna]

JJD and PP should be in a 1v1,

Yeah, if that's the case I'd vote myself 10 times out of 10. However, YOUm Sir are scum here.

And that’s why this is indirectly a scum slip.

Town never does that in this scenario because it’s game over.

I don’t think its even being considered lynching outside of you today, tbh, just trying to get all the pieces.

You keep saying this, but its 6v2 atm

Theres at least two town not caffeinated, so how is it over tomorrow?

Like I said, you keep either spreading false arguments, or you know more than you should.

End of tomorrow. If 2 scum live into tomorrow, it doesn’t really matter. They get two kills if there is scum in you, Bingle, Chennisden, so no matter what, if 2 scum go into tomorrow, scum win in that scenario.

It’s really protection against youScum mainly

See, this is the thing. You keep assuming theyll be able to kill me. Which they cant. So its down to numbers. Unless.......

[Vecna]

I mean the flavour in your role pm silly

[Vecna]

Goddamn I just solved the flavour of this game.

This game is like, the traditional swamp-thing'esque story.

Sleepy swamp town, some chemical shit turns the local populace into a frenzied panic because people are getting sick. Chemical spills.

Detective penguin has to solve the shit. Obviously its the big corporations dumping stuff in the swamp, making everyone sick. They have that bastard eddy dachshund in their pocket, he clearly had to flip scum. He's been their inside man in the police department for all these years, working against poor penguin. Penguin has turned into an alcoholic, if only to be saved from time to time by his lovely -insert whatever the name of that romantic partner was that Chen is-.

The rich people ofcourse have some troubled teenager that is too spoiled by all the money. He had too big of a mouth and had to die early. Bad rotten youth, mouthing off. Chandra played it perfectly. Probably eaten by a gator or some shit.

In our swamp mansion, Bingle is clearly the evil money schmoney person, having his little fingers on everything. In comparison, im a -learned philosopher-. Theres a reason it sounds a lot less evil. Whatever that makes Marquis remains to be seen.

[Vecna]

If thats what happened, something else happened as well though.

No point in claiming 3 shot to later come back at it, is there?

[Vecna]

I’m Johnny Doberman, freeloader, if that helps.

I feel like it’s a scummy like character, but I’m in the Miller abandoned warehouse hood

That does not fit at all. Freeloaders dont have guns, and dont go around shooting people.

You do not fit in this story

[Vecna]

I feel like I have this by the balls, yet I cannot quite find the stem.

[Vecna]

You sound like you need a hug.

[Vecna]

I did think the Marquis narrative was rather convincing. Like, if I ignore all Marquis' play, id vote him over it here.

Shooting Kagami over JJD/FL/Pops in that situation was odd.

[Vecna]

He was scumreading Kagami openly in our hood though, together with FL and some other goober. Neither of us talked to him about that. Probably because we never thought he would be the shot.

Hmm

[Vecna]

But bingle is correct that were never lynching Marquis before JJD.

Im still not sure I should be convinced here.

[Vecna]

Flavorwise, the setup could also just be that both the scum doc and cop are both paranoid.

[Vecna]

The thing that bothers me is that scum still never tried to figure out wtf is up with our hood if its all town. Sure, we've only had 3 nights, and they had a plethora of cops to kill.....but it almost feels like they need to have someone in there to know wtf is going on with all our shit.

If theres no scum in our hood, I bet theyre whining their asses off to kingdom come in their scumchat.

[Vecna]

Also, why did everyone decide to townread chennis now?

It still could just be a naive cop scanning town on a scum, no?

Did I miss anything?

If the answer is "by play" just ignore this post

[Vecna]

Honest post: I really dont know if I wanna lynch FL here because I dont want him to get away as scum with all the shit he pulled, all his cringy posts about how great he is as scum and that town him would never get in this situation......or because I think he is actual scum.

[Vecna]

Its a tough life sometimes

[Vecna]

Why did you guys not decide to check different targets?

How come theres so few results while we had 3 nights and you have more than 1 action?

[Vecna]

Also, who in scumchat told you to scumread me? EH?

[Vecna]

whose idea was it to check DOL together?

[Vecna]

and why him

[Vecna]

I think Marquis is in some need of prodding. It sure feels like it at least.

[Vecna]

^ another towny post

[Vecna]

VOTE: JJD

Whatever.

Either this flips scum, or it flips town meaning that Chennis can CPR-vig FL tonight. (I hope)

Pretty sure its either FL + bingle or PP + JJD.....

And the former is just more towny as a whole than the latter two by a decent margin. Even with all the scummy shit attached.

[Vecna]

I guess theres some very low outside possibility its PP + Chennis though.

Hmm

[Vecna]

FL

lol, nah

[Vecna]

VOTE: FL

[Vecna]

Hmmm, maybe I should vote Bingle to make things interesting?

[Vecna]

VOTE: JJD

[Vecna]

If it simply is JJD being scum here, I like, apologize for my paranoia.

Except I dont, because its FL's fault

[Vecna]

Dont pretend like you have this game solved if youre town or have been doing anything useful whatsoever JJD.

[Vecna]

I can't really see either of Vecna or bingle being scum, only both of them at once

but I think its a 3 man scumteam with the 3 or higher possible kills p night

Wait, so youre telling me you think its a 3person scumteam that has to rely on town to outright suck? Or that scum have vigs themselves? I dont get this post.

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: JJD

Actually fuck it, ill just sit on the sidelines and hammer whatever comes first.

Pretty annoying that this game has just been 3 people talking at the most crucial point.

[Vecna]

Hey, I was waiting for that. Fucking bingle stole my hammer.

[Vecna]

I think we should seriously consider lynching PP here.

Fits just as well with JJD as Marquis.
Fits very well with FL
Fits very well with Bingle
Fits moderately well with Chennis (but would probably clear him as scum as well just to avoid the 1v1)
FYPOV he would even fit with me.

Dude hasnt done anything I can read all game. All the townreads there are horseshit.

Not sure I believe the JJD + Marquis or Bingle + FL team equities are high enough to rule him out from the lynch here.

[Vecna]

Marquis continuing to towntell hard

[Vecna]

It explains Vecna not going through with hammering Chandra, and gets the Bingle stole it excuse.

It explains Marquis’ knowledge of knowing i didn’t shoot Fish. As a town Vig, there was zero reason for him to know I didn’t hit Fish in that scenario, if he actually killed Fish, he’d have no reason to think I didn’t either. Him also not killing me is scum indicative.

Vecna’s also been stopping any momentum gone to Marquis.

Dude, youre grasphing very hard.

Chandra was confirmed scum by a scumslip. I wasnt hammering him for what reason exactly? Oh, maybe it was because people were OPENLY ASKING TO WAIT FOR TWO PEOPLE TO REPORT IN WITH COP RESULTS? (or whatever it was, i dont even remember). There is no reason for scum not to hammer there. People arent going to magically unvote after that hard of a scumslip. That wagon is never going away. Also, I caught chandra D1 already and was trying to push that wagon way before the slip happened.

And yes, I have stopped any momentum going to marquis. Pretty proud of that, because the slot is obviously town. Just like the Orfz slot was obviously town. And the Pelican slot was also obvious town by play. Shit you ignored all game, which is what makes you scum as fuck.

Youre just desperate scum clawing at anything that will try to get you out of that hole.

Also, it really looks like youre trying to distance from Bingle here.

[Vecna]

He’s also the one essentially deciding if JJD or Myself gets lynched without completely pushing it through, waiting for it to naturally come together.

I’m the better lynch for scum today because Bingle vs JJD gets to happen tomorrow, where if JJD is mislynched today, thenBingle and I wouldn’t necessarily come after each other as scum.

Also, JJD can/will be copscanned or killed tonight so more false logic.

[Vecna]

Ugh, this day

[Vecna]

VOTE: JJD

I really dont know what to do here.

If its bingle/FL this vote likely means we insta loose, but such is life.

[Vecna]

Even though I feel this stupid FL vote is just to appeal to me to not get me to vote him here. Me + Marquis is technically not even a possibility, and im really surprised Bingle did not call him out on yet more shit.

[Vecna]

I don't think Vec/croag responded to my posts @ them. Please do so.

I dont see any posts directed at me? Can you quote em because even going through your iso I dont see em.

[Vecna]

Vecna/Marquis
JJD/Marquis
Chen/PP
Chen/JJD
Vecna/jjd

Is a solve

Even this post, 2 of the pairings cant even work mechanically. How can you keep spamming this nonsense?

It just feels like both FL and JJD have to be scum here, but it makes zero sense for both of them to be.

[Vecna]

Even though I feel this stupid FL vote is just to appeal to me to not get me to vote him here. Me + Marquis is technically not even a possibility, and im really surprised Bingle did not call him out on yet more shit.

Probably because those posts were before bingle posted.

[Vecna]

VOTE: FL

Nah, let this be it.

If its JJD + either Marquis (not bloodly likely) or + PP then were still fine. Chen can shoot JJD (or not).

It would be nice if the other people could actually vote though.

[Vecna]

I set a little alarm to be here 1 hour before eod.

[Vecna]

So me and Bingle are both mechanically towncleared here, id say, UNLESS scum only consists of 3 people.

If either of us were scum, the mod would have no reason whatsoever to let the game continue since it would be scum autowin.

Also bingle, not sure if claiming was right here still, if its PP/croag together with JJD they mightve still been buying the ruse. Either way, its fine.

Putting in a 50/50 is kinda crappy though, but meh.

[Vecna]

Also, shouldnt there be a sanity for the Chenn flip?

Or do we not get to have any way to deduce if this was that "cpr" doc or a doc of some other sanity?

[Vecna]

CALL GM: sorry if I misunderstood how all this works, but wasnt there supposed to be a sanity on the Chennisden nightkill flip?

[Vecna]

excellent, thank you

[Vecna]

So FMPOV this is pretty clearcut now, but ill keep my patience for a bit to hear croag/PP out

[Vecna]

A town here would hand himself the stupid tag to be outplayed so badly either by a player that is hardcore lurking, or by a player thats in a hood that is screaming, SCREAAAAMING *there is scum in here*.

[Vecna]

im pretty sure pp was asking you about your results and all that

[Vecna]

Croag, scum is trying to pocket you here. There is a reason PP wanted you to out first, because he does not know his own sanity.

He needed you to claim first, because he does not know how to fakeclaim it otherwise. The fact (im assuming thats what your code meant here) that you got an INNO, means he can also claim an INNO to protect his teammate. If you had gotten a guilty, he would have no chance but to bus his teammate here.

The scumteam is PP and JJD.

Im also not protecting any teammate of mine in my hood. But were all town. If there was two scum in our hood the game would be over.

[Vecna]

Also, what sense does it really make for Kuribo to have been a PGO? He was in a hood with all investigatives.

Marquis shooting him makes the most sense.

Regardless, we can deduce it now IF marquis shot him or not. Watch

[Vecna]

There are 4 living players who are currently

addicted to caffeine

.

VoteCount 2.0

Not Voting [14]

- ofrhz, PenguinPower, Croag, Pine, Kagami, Bingle, Day One Lynch, Vecna, Judge Joseph Dredd, chennisden, Marquis, popsofctown, Chandra Nalaar, Flavor Leaf

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-09-08 20:00:00)

Daystart of day2. 4 people caffeinated.

Which ones do we know were alive and caffeinated at this point?

Kagami. He is flipped town and claimed he used his cop shit N1.

Chandra. He claimed a result he could not have known was indeed true, so he mustve scanned.

JJD. Claimed to have used his ability N1. If he lied, he has kept lying about it all throughout the game, and is thus scum and should be lynched regardless.


That leaves the following 11 players alive at this point: ofrhz, PenguinPower, Croag, Pine, Bingle, Day One Lynch, Vecna, chennisden, Marquis, popsofctown, Flavor Leaf

Ofrhz, Pine, D1L, Chenn, Pops, FL - All of these have flipped town and stated they had not used an ability on N1.

PP and Croag - Both of you claimed you did not scan N1. If PP lied about this, he is scum and should be lynched regardless.

Me and Bingle both have no ability to become caffeinated. If bingle is scum and lied about this the game would already be over now. Either way he cannot be scum together with Marquis so marquis had no reason to cover for him. Neither of these 2 couldve been it either.

That ONLY leaves Marquis to have been Caffeinated D2.

From where im standing MARQUIS is confirmed to have vigged Fish on N1 and is thus towncleared.

The only way MARQUIS is not towncleared here is if Chandra did a lucky guess on his scan, which seems very risky and unneeded.

[Vecna]

Croag, scum is trying to pocket you here. There is a reason PP wanted you to out first, because he does not know his own sanity.

I outed first the previous day.

The previous day didnt matter. Today matters.

[Vecna]

Yesterday you didnt have to lie about the result. You were always going to NK Chenn this night regardless.

Today you need to save your teammate to win the game. Ofcourse if croag got a guilty you couldnt do that because you were never going to win a 1v1 against croag.

[Vecna]

It did as far as ascertaining the veracity of our claims to each other, or at least.

As scum you knew Chenn to be town, thus both the sane and naive cop were going to get an inno.

There was no need to lie yesterday.

[Vecna]

What are you trying to say with this? There were 4 caffeinated people D2...and you listed them all.

Im trying to say that Marquis was caffeinated at the start of D2. Meaning there was no PGO, and that it is a near given that Marquis did IN FACT shoot fish. Unless something really weird happened with Chandra's claim, or JJD is lying scum.

The outcome is always the same. Were not lynching Marquis here.

[Vecna]

How is croag confirmed town to you?

[Vecna]

It doesnt matter anyway, if he didnt actually use his ability we'd be "missing" 2 abilities, which still results in Marquis being confirmed to have shot Fish

[Vecna]

I mean, they have to right? Thats the only play left to them if the scumteam is in fact JJD/PP.

[Vecna]

I blame myself for bringing that up so early in the day so they could hop onto that. Oh well.

[Vecna]

Also, PP.....

That attitude of "I aint discussing with you"

What?

As town id expect you to be aware you need 4 votes here or its a loss.

If youre right and Bingle is scum, youre going to have to convince either me or Marquis. So far youre doing a hell of a piss poor job on that.

[Vecna]

VOTE: JJD

wtf? Why would you EVER vote this before Croag?

[Vecna]

Hmm I just thought of something.

Maybe.....the mod wouldnt end the game here if there was a scum in my hood + someone else.

Because whoever is caffeinated isnt factually know. Weve just been outing it, but the game couldve just been designed that scum arent supposed to really know it so it wouldnt end?

[Vecna]

Im still REALLY wondering though why a scum JJD would be using his ability on anyone that wasnt fish on N1 though.

Wait, did we deduce which doc he is? Would his ability have saved fish?

[Vecna]

Hmm I just thought of something.

Maybe.....the mod wouldnt end the game here if there was a scum in my hood + someone else.

Because whoever is caffeinated isnt factually know. Weve just been outing it, but the game couldve just been designed that scum arent supposed to really know it so it wouldnt end?

I addressed this in the PT. If I were scum I'd have claimed it because there's literally nothing you could do to stop me. I wouldn't have put in the effort to solve the game, that's for damned sure.

fair

[Vecna]

VoteCount 3.0

Not Voting [11]

- ofrhz, PenguinPower, Croag, Bingle, Day One Lynch, Vecna, Judge Joseph Dredd, chennisden, Marquis, popsofctown, Flavor Leaf

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-09-15 20:00:00)

There are 4 living players who are currently

addicted to caffeine

.

So this was the start of day3.

Where PP, Croag, JJD, Marquis......and I believe Pops?

All had claimed to act?

My memory is fuzzy, but this might actually be an interesting tidbit

[Vecna]

Yeah i went back and reread it. Pops exact words were "I am not gonna reveal whether i acted or not" after she flipped out on FL for presumably shooting her announced FN target.

[Vecna]

Croag, scum is trying to pocket you here. There is a reason PP wanted you to out first, because he does not know his own sanity.

He needed you to claim first, because he does not know how to fakeclaim it otherwise. The fact (im assuming thats what your code meant here) that you got an INNO, means he can also claim an INNO to protect his teammate. If you had gotten a guilty, he would have no chance but to bus his teammate here.

The scumteam is PP and JJD.

Im also not protecting any teammate of mine in my hood. But were all town. If there was two scum in our hood the game would be over.

Why would the title character and sane cop be scum

why wouldnt he be?

why would the cop also be an IC? plenty of mods make the title character the bad guy.

also, how do you know hes sane?

[Vecna]

Why would the title character and sane cop be scum

Why do you keep saying I'm the sane cop?

this was completely referring to the point where it was suggested to me you and jjd are scum together and thus you could only be sane as i have an innocent

hmmm, does scum have daychat? they do right

full susp mode: this sounds more like a jjd post than a croag post

[Vecna]

anyways, i get what youre saying marquis. I feel the same way.

Readswise, based purely on play, id say theres an 80% chance its a combination of JJD and a cop. Bingles play is not completely outside of the range of what he can do as scum, but I still moderately townread him. The only thibg giving me some pause is that he doesnt really feel like he put a lot of effort into reading me. Also ,I disagree that a 3person scumteam is that much worse off than the 4person one

[Vecna]

in fact, 4 scum outside of our hood and outside of the miller hood woulf have a damn hard time dodging everything (cops, vigs, tracker) OR winning a caffeinated victory while me and bingle are sitting cosily in our hood.

Bingle, why you only focus on how bad having 2 scum outside our hood is against vigs/cops, while having 4 out there doubles all the odds of succesfull cop results and vigs?

Having 100% of your team vulnerable to cops and vigs is also a strong liability when theres so many of them. Having a protected person in our hood gives them a little safeguard then, and that one can pretty much hide in a pool of susp looking millers and vigs that have likely shot town. It also makes the caffeinated victory easier.

Having said all that, it would really suck for scum to not be in the doc hood, and nit having a clue who is caffeinated.

Both options are completely plausible, esp if the mod has a meta of thinking towns suck and need help.

[Vecna]

am I wrong here bingle? im surprised you discount this option as being not at all plausible, while it seems just fine to me.

Heck, if marquis hadnt shot fish and chandra hadnt slipped wed be running off the cliff even harder.

[Vecna]

im so fucking annoyed with myself for not lynching jjd yesterday.

cause i wanna side with bingle here, but it feels like croag and pp are such major wildcards that convincing them both, and then takibg the proper 50/50 tomorrow is gonna be such a longshot

[Vecna]

that feeling when it feels like it all somehow is up to you, and youre probably gonna choose wrong again.

[Vecna]

croag probably gonna block my preferred option though ;/

[Vecna]

you been scumreading me for the last three days, but now im suddenly the guy that you wanna convince?

[Vecna]

what changed?

[Vecna]

clearly

[Vecna]

why were you scumreading me before, not bingle, and now switches it around?

[Vecna]

and id like coherant answers to all three parts

[Vecna]

VOTE: JJD

[Vecna]

if you have a great argument why its bingle instead, im willibg to listen marquis. absent that, im just gonna follow the read ive had the entire game.

[Vecna]

why is everyone repeating themselves instead of answering questions that people ask to inform their decision?

Play the damn game

[Vecna]

PP could easily be voting his partner. theres no risk in bussing.

If it ever comes into hammer range, he wants to be on the wagon to win a 1v1 against you tomorrow croag. If the wagon on bingle ever gets to three he can insta swap for the win. hell need three other votes there regardless so he doesnt have to be on the wagon untill thats the case

[Vecna]

what does it matter anyway? if marquis votes bingle i can still swap.

[Vecna]

sorry guys, normally im moderately ok at reading bingle, but this game I just wasnt seeing it.