Open 765: Haunted Village (Over)

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VOTE: benhalkum

That Vorkuta vote was terrible in the first place... but you unvote and revote?

I hope you aren't intentionally trying to end RVS

-TL

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...They said as they create an equivalent counterwagon...

I'm gonna drop the ball here.

I do indeed think Vorkuta is town and benhalkum is scum. However this being this early in the phase means that the reads have low confidence.

-TL

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It being this early, care to expand on why yo feel so certain either of are what you say you believe we are?

Vorkuta self-voted so you vote-waffling on Vorkuta reeks of you trying to get a mislynch early in the game.

By the way, Vorkuta has town points for setup spec, especially considering scum don't need to setup spec so setup spec is obvious town points to collect.

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It being this early, care to expand on why yo feel so certain either of are what you say you believe we are?

Vorkuta self-voted so you vote-waffling on Vorkuta reeks of you trying to get a mislynch early in the game.

By the way, Vorkuta has town points for setup spec, especially considering scum don't need to setup spec so setup spec is obvious town points to collect.

-still TemporalLich btw

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I'm reading Vorkuta town for the setup spec.

Little scum lean on Tris for sort of discouraging it. Had that on NaCl, but quickly came back around after realizing the scum knew the roles already. That also comes out as a slight townslip, but I don't put much weight at all into slips.

Also don't like how quick that wagon built up on Vorkuta.

BP

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It's an RVS wagon...what about the speed is concerning to you?

Fair I guess. I just don't see why town would want a wagon so fast in the early day 1 during RVS.

BP

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The lack of a vampire/roleblocker suggests to me we don't have much active abilities. This is a 6 AP setup... I really think we have at least one trickster/non-consecutive commuter.

If we by chance don't have a trickster/non-consecutive commuter, the scum can't pick good roles lel...

if we have absolutely no tools to get rid of them it would be optimal to enter LyLo ASAP

I do NOT want to throw the vote to get into LyLo early. It's like throwing a tribal immunity challenge in Survivor, you're playing with fire.

Good point, I feel this post is town-motivated.

TL

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I feel like the concern about the speed of the wagon on vorkuta is fake considering it was just an rvs wagon. And I don’t like how you’re just shading an entire wagon without saying who you didn’t like on it.

VOTE: unstuck in time

-still o

this post isn't genuine but I'll bite.

Vorkuta being on the Vorkuta wagon is indeed incredibly scum-AI, but I can't help but feel Vorkuta is leanscum at worst. Considering a zombie/delayed lynchproof exists this might be feasibly interpreted as a

scumclaim

.

PenguinPower's vote is a basic RVS vote, it is NAI to the power of 1.

NaCl's RVS/RQS combo vote on Vorkuta is probably towny.

It's pretty obvious I don't like ben on the Vorkuta wagon for the vote-waffling.

RCE's vote is L-2 but a basic RVS vote... I can't give anything beyond an incredibly miniscule scum dot worth like 1/1000 scum points



TL

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The wagon speed is what I'm most concerned about... if I had to pick scum it'd be ben and maybe RCE (the fact the RVS vote is an opening post doesn't tell me RCE knew it would be L-2, so that's why RCE is like one dot left of null)

TL

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VOTE: benhalkum

That Vorkuta vote was terrible in the first place... but you unvote and revote?

I hope you aren't intentionally trying to end RVS

-TL

What's wrong with that?
VOTE: benhalkum

Um, it's forced so that's what's wrong with that...

TL

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I feel like the concern about the speed of the wagon on vorkuta is fake considering it was just an rvs wagon. And I don’t like how you’re just shading an entire wagon without saying who you didn’t like on it.

VOTE: unstuck in time

-still o

this post isn't genuine but I'll bite.

Vorkuta being on the Vorkuta wagon is indeed incredibly scum-AI, but I can't help but feel Vorkuta is leanscum at worst. Considering a zombie/delayed lynchproof exists this might be feasibly interpreted as a

scumclaim

.

PenguinPower's vote is a basic RVS vote, it is NAI to the power of 1.

NaCl's RVS/RQS combo vote on Vorkuta is probably towny.

It's pretty obvious I don't like ben on the Vorkuta wagon for the vote-waffling.

RCE's vote is L-2 but a basic RVS vote... I can't give anything beyond an incredibly miniscule scum dot worth like 1/1000 scum points



TL

Wait so you think vorkuta is scummy?

@Beta, that post was signed by TL. BP was townreading Vorkuta for the early setup spec. I now get why playing with hydras must be tough.

@tris on 148, same answer.

Considering a zombie/delayed lynchproof exists this might be feasibly interpreted as a scumclaim.

Yeah... if you think about it, this falls apart because unless there's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to kill a zombie, a D1 zombie lynch dies on N2. And an angel/vengeful trade for a zombie

is worth it

early on. Saying this to no one in particular at all
The D2 & D3 zombie lynches are the ones that make the role broken.

RCE's vote is L-2 but a basic RVS vote

What's the difference between PP's RVS and RCE's RVS?
Just log-on time?

vote-waffling.

Idk he shows awareness. Isn't this waffling typically a townie thing to do?

As to that vote waffling, I got scum with it before. It was a newbie and later in the day there was more, but this is early. So I think that waffling is quite easy to do as scum particularly if they think it comes off as town.

BP

Whoops did that from my primary account.

BP

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I just want to know how TL went from townreading Vorkuta to scumreading Vorkuta

-o

If it looks like I SR Vorkuta... I'm just giving a reason to scumread Vorkuta so I can say that RVS wagon isn't completely unjustified. Based on an ISO skim I'd say Vorkuta is towny.

Someone who I'd actually be tempted to scumread is Platinum Phoenix. The posts feel fluffy but there's honest progression.



TL

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I'm reading Vorkuta town for the setup spec.

Little scum lean on Tris for sort of discouraging it. Had that on NaCl, but quickly came back around after realizing the scum knew the roles already. That also comes out as a slight townslip, but I don't put much weight at all into slips.

Also don't like how quick that wagon built up on Vorkuta.

BP

Don't read him town for the setup spec - he's done it as both alignments.

Thanks. I don't have any experience with him, and in a vacuum particularly with this setup where scum knew the roles it felt town.

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I'm reading Vorkuta town for the setup spec.

Little scum lean on Tris for sort of discouraging it. Had that on NaCl, but quickly came back around after realizing the scum knew the roles already. That also comes out as a slight townslip, but I don't put much weight at all into slips.

Also don't like how quick that wagon built up on Vorkuta.

BP

Don't read him town for the setup spec - he's done it as both alignments.

Thanks. I don't have any experience with him, and in a vacuum particularly with this setup where scum knew the roles it felt town.

Sorry, that was BP.

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...They said as they create an equivalent counterwagon...

I'm gonna drop the ball here.

I do indeed think Vorkuta is town and benhalkum is scum. However this being this early in the phase means that the reads have low confidence.

-TL

I'm reading Vorkuta town for the setup spec.

Little scum lean on Tris for sort of discouraging it. Had that on NaCl, but quickly came back around after realizing the scum knew the roles already. That also comes out as a slight townslip, but I don't put much weight at all into slips.

Also don't like how quick that wagon built up on Vorkuta.

BP

Feels a little fake considering CogDis

Is this a reference to cognitive dissonance? And if so is it a joke about hydras?

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I'm not getting many scumreads... perhaps a lead rist is in order...

TL

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Here's the lead rist:

[Town]

Gamma Emerald (really like 290, all around good posts with content)
PenguinPower (good progression in ISO)
Vorkuta (despite the RVS selfvote... I TR vorkuta)
RCenigma (gonna say townlean here)
NaCl (an iota right of null)
Platinum Phoenix (good progression but pretty forced and 367 is scummy)
NorwegianboyEE (hard null)
ceejayvinoya (I can't be expected to give a read based off 3 posts)
Beta Sapphire (gonna null here, like the progression, dislike the wagoning)
tris (the ISO doesn't gel with me)
Hoptic (I'm not feeling it and I agree with GE, scum points here)
benhalkum (tried to push a mislynch, and the sudden inactivity isn't helping)

[Scum]

TL

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vc is two posts above......

Sorry. I play from my phone so I try and comment on things as I see them and i read forward. Just saw the V/LA from yesterday. That makes sense now. So null seems right.

Also that last BP post should have been Unstuck.

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@Hoptic - I missed the conversation of your memes distracting the game. Can you direct me to it?

BP

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I skimmed back through it (I will do more comprehensive read throughs after Monday) and I didn't feel like it was that distracting. I feel like you and Gamma went back and forth a little, but there didn't seem to be some intra-town war. Why the shade on Platinum for not bringing it up?

BP

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Also, I think alot of the focus on the Zombie is a distraction. It's delayed Lynch proof. I think what it tells us is that we don't have an enchantress, because that would keep the zombie from reanimating. However, I don't think the Zombie is that big a problem. I assume that we still get flips in the event of a lynch, and if so we'd have a confirmed baddie. So we'd know not to target it before LYLO at that point, and it won't reanimate if it would endgame us. So if we Lynch the zombie on day 1 we know our lynch target in LYLO. I couldn't tell from the setup info, do we kolnow for sure there's only 3 scum in the game? I know there were no duplicates, but I assume that doesn't apply to ghouls.

BP

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I couldn't tell from the setup info,

- The undead role are Zombie, Witch and Ghoul

And this is 10:3

And of course, time for Round 2:
-"Guys, setup spec is a distraction" ~BP
-"Btw, what's the scum team again?" ~also BP

I saw that. I just meant do we know for sure that there aren't 2 ghouls?

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ways to kill a zombie three times:

vig it (either as a sorceress/vig or witch hunter/JOAT)
vengekill it (as an angel/desperate day night vengeful)
spell shield it (as an enchantress/personal rolestopper), though this may just last for one cycle



TL

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I can't tell if Beta Sapphire/PenguinPower is TvT or SvT, but PenguinPower is definitely the second T in both



TL

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we're not doing a vs with PP?

the interaction of you and PP seemed to make me think PP was townier.

also, have I actually played with you TL or just seen your name around?

-Menalque

I haven't played with you before.



TL

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I've played with the other head of your hydra before though.

TL

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what seemed AI about our interaction?

-M

Well it being a real interaction disqualifies it from being SvS, and 439-446 makes me townread PP a little.



TL

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Is this game just hard to get into, or is everyone intentionally lurking?

For me, hard to get into. Didn't help that I was V/LA for the weekend and now there's almost 30 pages of content.

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Is this game just hard to get into, or is everyone intentionally lurking?

For me, hard to get into. Didn't help that I was V/LA for the weekend and now there's almost 30 pages of content.

That was BP

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Ok I am gonna try and recommit to this game. I iso'd Platinum (I'll decide who the real PP is after I figure out whether one is scum). 137 posts. I felt like all of it was light on analysis for my taste, but I recognize that I post giant things that most players don't like. Nonetheless, I felt like you could show your work alot more. I think ironically I liked your comments on the zombie. When you townread or scumread there werent really any explanations. A decent chunk of your posts were you refusing to give explanations when asked. For the reads analysis, I saw 545, 642 (I really liked), 716 felt like an honest comment on why you've been light on analysis, but the complaints about being scumread then took up a good chunk, and I thought 797 showed legitimate thoughts. But I highlighted less than 10 posts out of 137. That's not all that helpful. Certainly doesn't feel game solvey. And alot of it was shading different forms of activity. It felt hella shitposty. My partners scumreading you and I can get why. I'm lost in this game, so trying to read you overall is difficult, but I think complaining about the scumreads is a bit unmerited.

BP

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Ben is really fencesitty with all his posts. He can't even commit to a game theory discussion. I like where my other head put the vote. I think Ben mentioned a catch-up, but he's made posts since then without a catch-up. Is one on its way?

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@NaCl - I can't answer your 48 question for my other head. 57 was me
I felt he got it because it felt game solvey early. I actually felt like if it continued past five pages then it was just looking for town cred, but given the issues that kept coming up and that Vork kept referring back to it, I felt like it was merited at the time.

I also didn't understand 237.

I was talking about zero escape and I observed a newbie game that you played in against my friend MadAlfred. I felt like you were pretty active there as well.

Not a whole lot to comment on here. I like that there's a reads list. I like that there's analysis in it. I think I'm gonna need a new day before I can analyze it though.

@pedit - I'm gonna try and get to Vork. I started with you but I wanna work from low post count to higher. And Vork and the other PP are at the top.

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I feel like the concern about the speed of the wagon on vorkuta is fake considering it was just an rvs wagon. And I don’t like how you’re just shading an entire wagon without saying who you didn’t like on it.

VOTE: unstuck in time

-still o

this post isn't genuine but I'll bite.

Vorkuta being on the Vorkuta wagon is indeed incredibly scum-AI, but I can't help but feel Vorkuta is leanscum at worst. Considering a zombie/delayed lynchproof exists this might be feasibly interpreted as a

scumclaim

.

PenguinPower's vote is a basic RVS vote, it is NAI to the power of 1.

NaCl's RVS/RQS combo vote on Vorkuta is probably towny.

It's pretty obvious I don't like ben on the Vorkuta wagon for the vote-waffling.

RCE's vote is L-2 but a basic RVS vote... I can't give anything beyond an incredibly miniscule scum dot worth like 1/1000 scum points



TL

Weren't you townreading Vorkuta earlier?

Oh! oops! VOTE: 60 was supposed to be a vote for VOTE: Unstuck in Time! I would like you to answer my question.

Can't answer your question from post 60, that's for the other head. As for 148, I was townreading Vork early for the setup spec. I'll see where I'm at now.

Reading through the iso, I think I'm gonna need to get through the other players before I have thoughts here. Most posts were light on analysis. Only explained reads in two locations. The penguin one was meta based so I'm gonna have nothing to say there.

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I feel like the concern about the speed of the wagon on vorkuta is fake considering it was just an rvs wagon. And I don’t like how you’re just shading an entire wagon without saying who you didn’t like on it.

VOTE: unstuck in time

-still o

this post isn't genuine but I'll bite.

Vorkuta being on the Vorkuta wagon is indeed incredibly scum-AI, but I can't help but feel Vorkuta is leanscum at worst. Considering a zombie/delayed lynchproof exists this might be feasibly interpreted as a

scumclaim

.

PenguinPower's vote is a basic RVS vote, it is NAI to the power of 1.

NaCl's RVS/RQS combo vote on Vorkuta is probably towny.

It's pretty obvious I don't like ben on the Vorkuta wagon for the vote-waffling.

RCE's vote is L-2 but a basic RVS vote... I can't give anything beyond an incredibly miniscule scum dot worth like 1/1000 scum points



TL

Weren't you townreading Vorkuta earlier?

Oh! oops! VOTE: 60 was supposed to be a vote for VOTE: Unstuck in Time! I would like you to answer my question.

Can't answer your question from post 60, that's for the other head. As for 148, I was townreading Vork early for the setup spec. I'll see where I'm at now.

Reading through the iso, I think I'm gonna need to get through the other players before I have thoughts here. Most posts were light on analysis. Only explained reads in two locations. The penguin one was meta based so I'm gonna have nothing to say there.

This was BP

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Norwegian feels pretty open at the moment. Not seeing much attempt at game solving but that fits with what I've seen from their meta.

BP

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Beta Sapphire:
116 - don't understand the logic
130 - this post feels town
233 - also felt town
Have no thoughts on the penguin meta read
The progressions make sense. I like this iso. This feels town.

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BP again. I will eventually remember to sign these.

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This RCEnigma slot is a decent bit of content, but mostly nothing. Who is townreading them at the moment?

BP

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I'm not seeing alot of analysis from Hoptic. I'm seeing alot of reads disclosed but not much explanation. Why are you uneasy with Beta? And what caused the progression in your read of Phoenix from 495 to 746?

BP

Probably gonna save the last three for tomorrow.

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It'll be nothing till it's not.

As an aside I hate those kinds of posts. They always come off as asking permission to push there. Like you don't want to make a read if the majority are going to go against it.

That's fair. So much of this game has been steeped in meta that I was planning on asking them why, but that's an explanation that you probably won't trust so it is what it is.

BP

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Backtracking from the Ben wagon.

Why would they be doing that rather than pushing it as a counter wagon?

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Backtracking from the Ben wagon.

Why would they be doing that rather than pushing it as a counter wagon?

Whoops, BP

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Vorkuta:

Liked the early setup spec, but it was weird that that immediately followed 42 where he said [quote=]I don't think this is the time to speculate about TPRs, but I think it's telling that nothing that messes with a cop or a strongman wasn't chosen[/quote]. Then followed that with 2 posts speculating about TPRs then defending the decision to speculate about TPRs in post 46. That's weird.
Early reads list at 64 they seem fine. Then back to speculating TPRs at 66 for their next 7 posts. Broken up by 82 then another 7 posts.

I also find it weird that they're so concerned about the Zombie. They start off by getting the zombie wrong (thinking it needs to be lynched last), then 80 claims we can't kill the zombie by lynching it, which is wrong and there's this weird desire to enter LYLO immediately because of the zombie? Overall 80 is strange.

82 explains the reason for the setup spec, but then I don't get why he was hesitant about it in 42.

Gets to another reads list at 113. Don't understand giving out town points this late for setup spec to RCE.

I like that he reconsiders 80 at 134.

There's alot of reads in here without quotes, but feels genuine.

Overall, I liked this iso. Reads felt genuine. I particularly liked the exchange with plat phoe. Feel like Vork is probably town. The weird comments are probably just weird.

BP

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Everyone called the wagon bad but no one really even townreads Ben. That doesn't seem viable. Alternative is it would be a lot of work for a low priority target if he's town.

I didn't call the wagon bad. I also don't townread Ben. Could it have been vote parking? Sure. But damn that catch-up didn't do anything to help the slot.

BP

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Gamma emerald:

Liked 123
Liked 118
Like 254
290 felt town legitimately frustrated. Scum could have pushed there.

So early on the content was good, but it got less good over time. Not sure what to make of this slot overall.

BP

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OG PP:

I have no read on this. There is a series of incredibly short posts. I agree with the Vorkuta read, but that doesn't mean much to me.

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OG PP:

I have no read on this. There is a series of incredibly short posts. I agree with the Vorkuta read, but that doesn't mean much to me.

BP

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Vorkuta's my top town read
Beta -townlean, Gamma and Asgard up here
Rce Penguin Tris Nacl all null
Plat phoe leaning here
Ben

Cj I've got nothing, and I want that question about Hop's read progression answered.

BP

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@Ben I hope Vorkuta was joking. If I made it that unclear I apologize. I'm scumreading you, yes. Your early posts were weird/bad and your catch-up didn't do anything to help push the game forward. I did a post about you a bit above. Everything seemed fence sitting even to the point that you wouldn't commit to fake theory decisions. It's either bad or scum.

BP

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@Ben I hope Vorkuta was joking. If I made it that unclear I apologize. I'm scumreading you, yes. Your early posts were weird/bad and your catch-up didn't do anything to help push the game forward. I did a post about you a bit above. Everything seemed fence sitting even to the point that you wouldn't commit to fake theory decisions. It's either bad or scum.

BP

More than likely since this is the first game I've engaged in here, and things are ran a bit different than places I typically play, you're reading into me trying to pick up on style of play here and becoming more familiar that it is a bit different, as scummy?

Either way, thank you for the clarification.

Nah, it's more like I'm reading into your post 720 where you made a long post with no game advancing content literally just describing the game of Mafia to us. Followed by your response to Norwegian at 727 where you literally laid out our options to us to lynch or not to lynch (as Shakespeare would have said if he played mafia, that is the question.). Then when Vork calls you out for posting generic content, you shade him at 728. Then when Penguin asks you a legitimate question based on how you wrote 727 whether you were seriously recommending no lynch you shaded him. Then when Vork took what seemed like a serious argument from you for a no lynch, you made 734 where you said you weren't even arguing for a no lunch, you were just letting us know it was an option (thanks, sometimes I forget the rules so I need reminders like this). Then you do 736 where you basically give up trying to post anything productive. Then at 754, you say that everyone is sus until more info. Again thanks, any thoughts about the 750 posts before that insight?

Then nothing for almost a day. I don't know if you plan on catching up, but you were able to stay current because once you saw your name, you perked back up. Then your response really missed what I was scum reading you for. It was all the posts where you refused to commit to whether a lynch or a no lynch is preferable. Who you think is town vs. who you think is scum. Sitting back and saying gee shucks doesn't really help town here, so I have to assume you're not trying to help town, which means most likely bet is that you're scum. At best it means you're bad town. Which is what I had said in the last post.

BP

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I will hold off voting PlatPhoenix for now, since my vote would be L-1 and fake-PP is rereading

TL

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So is the entire scum team already on you, or is scum trying to find a way to weasel in a hammer?

There's a third option but I think Xin Eohp is scum so I'm on like option 4

Who is Xin Eohp?

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Why did you make that rule anyway?

Had the feeling from reading a few of your posts that you were the type of person I am at high risk to misread very hard.

I think it's the combination of new, eager, and self-aware.

SS, have you replaced in for someone?
I haven't read anything since my last post yet so I've missed if the mod said
- Phoenix

I replaced ceejay, whose ISO it took me a whopping five seconds to read

Yeah, he generated a LOT of content.

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I've been disengaged from this game but I still maintain Phoenix and ben are votable.

I am willing to L-1 vote Phoenix.

Something_Smart feels very towny to me.



TL

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althought, uit, your refusal to think for yourself recently has been bad.

You referring to the last post from TL where he said he'd been willing to vote for you or something else?

BP

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Is my playstyle

really

clashing all that much with Hectic's here? I think we had mostly the same reads (townreads) when we spoke last night- before I updated them with my recent catch up. Can I get some specifics on the disconnect you're saying you see from ALL of the hydras?

Haven't discussed it with him yet, but atm I'm happy to vote NaCL or RC.

VOTE: RCEnigma

-Hop

wow this vote really looks scummy

TL

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I'm tinfoiling here but I think PlatPhoenix might be town especially with 1234.

I'd rather trust even ben to be town so...

VOTE: Platinum Phoenix

though I really am considering a NorwegianboyEE vote.



TL

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I'm tinfoiling here but I think PlatPhoenix might be town especially with 1234.

I'd rather trust even ben to be town so...

VOTE: Platinum Phoenix

though I really am considering a NorwegianboyEE vote.



TL

I don't understand this post. It sounds like you think Plat Phone is town, but then you voted Plat Phoe?

BP

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I'm just going to say this out loud to absolutely no hydra in particular: blaming shit on your other head, especially if it doesn't go down the way you want to, should be policy'd

I get this, and you absolutely should hold my slot accountable for that. I'm asking for clarification because it sounds like there was a mistake there.

BP

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TL what's with your plat vote? Do you think he's town or not?

BP why are you addressing your Hydra partner in thread and not your PT?
What's your case on Norwegian? Either one of you.

plat is still scummy AF but it's not like they don't have reasons for me to TR...

Norwegian just pings me scummy, I don't see towny posts.



TL

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For those of you who believe my interaction with Phoenix was S+S then I've already said in post 1247 why i believe it's objectively unlikely so i won't touch on it. From my own perspective it would either have to be T+T or T+S. And i honestly think Phoenix is town since i don't believe scum would react in such a way to being pressured.

reading this post makes me feel like you're scum with Phoenix



TL

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Extraordinary claim to make with no evidence.

You can't tell me 1285 isn't made by scum trying to distance themselves from their scumbuddy.



TL

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Then it's a good thing that I don't have to. The burden of proof is on you here to explain why it is.

starting with 717, the vote looks fake to me.

718 is trying to make the interaction look towny.

756 is an otherwise good post, but it falls flat due to 717

783 is actually a good post. This might lead to credence that if the interaction isn't SvS, PlatPhoenix is town and not Norwegian

Reading 1213 - 1236, I'd say that interaction doesn't shine of the pure calling each other out that is a TvT interaction. It's likely to be SvS, but PlatPhoenix is town if this isn't.

The distancing NorwegianboyEE is doing after the fact makes it a -20% chance NorwegianboyEE is town.



Changing my vote to NorwegianboyEE because he's more likely to scum be.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE



TL

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TvT interactions can go a lot of different ways. What is "pure calling each other out" and why is the that the only/most likely thing you expect from a TvT interaction?

When two townies are finding reasons to scumread each other endlessly and there's no indication the interaction is fake, it's likely a TvT interaction.

It's really the major thing that says TvT to me... if it seems real and honest it's more likely to be town imo.

PlatPhoenix/Norwegian seems deliberately contrived to me... doesn't seem organic at all.



pedit: LAMIST posts like that are scum-AI imo. The timing is right after Norwegian voted PlatPhoenix so that makes it worse (seemingly to try to deflect the wagon?)



TL

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I guess I shouldn't say couldn't be. That's probably to strong.

It's not because he changed his mind. The way his thoughts change over the course of the conversation seem to be natural.

His thoughts changed immediately. He asked "Who has?". Then said "Give me names.". Then he thanked him and voted for Beta Sapphire. Then said that he felt better about him because of it and that that was a tonal read. Please explain how that was natural.

BP

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Billy Pilgrim, you should know my character by now from the games we play here. To use a Scandinavian term, i don't really have an "A4" persona.
The term A4 can be associated with a rather dull person who does "everything right". Follows all the social norms about how it is ideal to act as a mafia player.
So even if something i do seems "unnatural" to you, it's not alignment indicative. I'd really prefer it if people actually came up with a good reason to lynch me rather than this hot garbage.
That's my stand on this current flow of events lol.

Yeah, you're right I think you're weird town. Ben pushing the vote to Play Phoe right after TL put our vote there bringing it up to L-1, based off the interaction is also suspect. Particularly when they were sooo self conscious earlier about accusations. I'd not that not many folks have asked them to defend their position on that interaction. Tris got questioned. This slot got questioned, but Ben was able to skirt under the radar. Ben, why did that interaction make it more comfortable for you to vote Plat Phoe?

VOTE: Ben

BP

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Waiting on input from my partner, but I'm feeling like Plat is town here. I probably had them null overall when I did my catch-up, but since then the slot has been consistently improving. Im consulting with my partner before we move the vote, but my preference is Ben>tris>Rce at the moment.

Whoops, just when I had been getting better with this.

BP

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VOTE: Vorkuta

Huh?

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VOTE: Vorkuta

Huh?

Whoops, BP

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Also UiT I understand why you're so pissed at the ben slot but voting it today won't do anything.

We will move the vote. I just want to make sure I'm on the same page as my partner with the vote.

BP

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Gross, 40 minutes from deadline and the most substance in the past day was a page and a half log pissing match between Plat Phoe and Vork. Fun.

My other head is basically fine with any of the three options. I don't want to vote Plat Phoe right now. I think when he's given content it's been decent. Please more content less measuring dick sizes.

I think RCE got slightly better over the past two days so at this point, Tris is sticking out as the best Lynch option. I'd still be down to Lynch Ben, but that clearly isn't going anywhere.

VOTE: Tris

BP

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Haven't seen an official vote count in a bit, but if Norskie's was correct then that vote put Tris to L-1.

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Does tris claim here...
Lemme think about this

Tris said she wasn't gonna be back before deadline. Not sure whether she meant the old one or new one, but this is sort of idle talk until she gets back. And now we have 24 hours until real deadline, so if people want a claim before a hammer, then there's no point in lynching here. I feel like RCE got better recently, so no real interest in voting there.

I'm down to vote Tris obviously, but my primary candidate is Ben and he's at least potentially available to defend himself. So some pressure there may help sort at a minimum.

VOTE: Ben

BP

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Gross, 40 minutes from deadline and the most substance in the past day was a page and a half log pissing match between Plat Phoe and Vork. Fun.

My other head is basically fine with any of the three options. I don't want to vote Plat Phoe right now. I think when he's given content it's been decent. Please more content less measuring dick sizes.

I think RCE got slightly better over the past two days so at this point, Tris is sticking out as the best Lynch option. I'd still be down to Lynch Ben, but that clearly isn't going anywhere.

VOTE: Tris

BP

Bad post

-M

@Beta. Mena are we gonna do the same thing we did in that newbie where we scumread each other while you're in a 1v1 with someone else when we're both town?

What was so bad about that post? I flagged Ben then Tris then RCE and said I felt that Plat was leaning town. You feel like me getting the deadline wrong was bad, because apparently I wasn't the only one that made that mistake.

BP

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I mean I’d rather we townread each other and just lynch scum?

But I don’t give a shit about the deadline thing really, it’s the second para I didn’t like. I don’t like you being so okay about any of three, that seems scummy. Like, if we’re heading towards a lynch you don’t like the fight it. That’s a very fence sitty post

Idk why you’re being so concerned with my read on you when I’m not even pushing you? That also pings me as insecure scum.

I felt like you were softing onto tris while leaving the option to switch back to RCE if it looks inevitable

-M

I mostly try and townhunt. So those three are outside my townreads and I was ok lynching any of the three. I wouldn't have been good with a Lynch on a number of people, including yourself, but you didn't seem like an option. I made it clear that I didn't want to Lynch Plat Phoe and that my slot wouldn't be voting there. Yeah my other head was, but I tried to make it clear we weren't voting there. We agreed on Tris and RCE and wanted Ben. So I don't think I was being as fence sitty as you're suggesting here. If you're reading the head disagreement as fence-sitting then that's a bit more understandable.

Was the fact that I was comfortable with either RCE or Tris completely unbelievable? We're either of those slots screaming town to you?

I wanted you to focus on me and explain that because what I find easiest to read are people's cases against me. Because I know what I do during a game, I know when I make decisions that are questionable, so I feel like it gives me a better base to assess motives. So I try and engage when people are expressing reads about me without explaining.

BP

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It doesn't look like there's any will to Lynch anywhere. My preference is Ben>Tris>rce. It doesn't look like Ben is gonna happen and it doesn't look like RCE is gonna happen. I'm V/LA tomorrow so I'm gonna park on Tris for the next 16 hours. If Ben will go I hope TL can be back on and move the vote, but Tris is my second choice. That slot didn't do much as far as game solving.

BP

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I typed up that post then forgot to actually vote. My bad.

VOTE: Tris

BP

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Oh yeah, NaCL wanted to vote benhalkum didn’t he? And then he quickhammered a townie PR.

VOTE: NaCL

Time pressure tells me NaCl has more town equity than scum equity.

If NaCl flips scum though... ben is likely town.



TL

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If NaCl flips scum though... ben is likely town.

Shit, really?

I cite 1567 for reasoning, even if so it's like slightly better than random at best.



TL

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benhalkum has died! he was a [Vanilla Townie]

wow I forgot the flip.

yeah I'm guessing that was the vig shot as opposed to the mafia NK.

but why would scum nightkill Beta Sapphire of all things?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

idk speculate on this if you want, but a beta kill means RCE is likely scum.



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idk speculate on this if you want, but a beta kill means RCE is likely scum.

Either that or it's what the mafia wants us to think.

if you're town, why the hell are you openly WIFOMing?


TL

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I'm just speculating. Didn't you openly state on your own post which i responded to that we could "speculate on this"?
Why did my post trigger you so much?

because that was a transparent attempt at shooting down my speculation with WIFOM...

regardless you're a bit more towny for giving a fair answer



TL

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I like Vork's case of my slot on 1582. I mean that's solid. 1583 is a bit less, but still feels genuine. 1585 feels less good. I think he's setting up two mis-lynches. First me, then when I I may have made a mistake yesterday by hopping off that wagon.

I really liked Norskie's post to open up today.

VOTE: Plat Phoe

BP

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Also, Plat Phoe's direction toward RC if I flip town makes me a little less suspicious of RC.

BP

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And if we mislynch and there is a vig that misfires again, we could be in LYLO with 4 town 3 scum.

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Also, Plat Phoe's direction toward RC if I flip town makes me a little less suspicious of RC.

BP

Explain this because I might be misreading your meaning again.

His post said that if I flip town you're scum. I think that was setting up you as the next mis-lynch when I flip town.

I also don't know what associationals he was pointing to between us. I don't know why we have to be different alignments here. In fact I had you in my lynch pool toward the end of day yesterday, but I ultimately went with Tris.

BP

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NaCl might just be town that is a viable lynch anyway...



TL

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I still prefer PlatPhoenix and RCE as those are people I actually scumread, mind you.



TL

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Oh yeah, NaCL wanted to vote benhalkum didn’t he? And then he quickhammered a townie PR.

VOTE: NaCL

Is your vote based on the fact that he quickhammered town, or was it based on the fact that he quickhammered a or?

BP

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or was it based on the fact that he quickhammered a or?

?

Or should read pr. Sorry, that's a phone autocorrect, he didn't build us an operating room.

BP

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I mean I’d rather we townread each other and just lynch scum?

But I don’t give a shit about the deadline thing really, it’s the second para I didn’t like. I don’t like you being so okay about any of three, that seems scummy. Like, if we’re heading towards a lynch you don’t like the fight it. That’s a very fence sitty post

Idk why you’re being so concerned with my read on you when I’m not even pushing you? That also pings me as insecure scum.

I felt like you were softing onto tris while leaving the option to switch back to RCE if it looks inevitable

-M

I mostly try and townhunt. So those three are outside my townreads and I was ok lynching any of the three. I wouldn't have been good with a Lynch on a number of people, including yourself, but you didn't seem like an option. I made it clear that I didn't want to Lynch Plat Phoe and that my slot wouldn't be voting there. Yeah my other head was, but I tried to make it clear we weren't voting there. We agreed on Tris and RCE and wanted Ben. So I don't think I was being as fence sitty as you're suggesting here. If you're reading the head disagreement as fence-sitting then that's a bit more understandable.

Was the fact that I was comfortable with either RCE or Tris completely unbelievable? We're either of those slots screaming town to you?

I wanted you to focus on me and explain that because what I find easiest to read are people's cases against me. Because I know what I do during a game, I know when I make decisions that are questionable, so I feel like it gives me a better base to assess motives. So I try and engage when people are expressing reads about me without explaining.

BP

Where's the progression? You were townreading me the day before to some extent then you decide "yup yup he's scum" because Elements voted you and pressure was going up - and you focusing on us is probably because you think we're the next easiest lynch

-Plat

That's probably fair. I don't think I have a great progression here. I was townleaning you yesterday based on how you handled that wagon, but that doesn't mean you're not scum. And I feel like your explanation for voting me wasn't good.

Also, if our slot is scum here who are scum with? Vork seemed like he got to me with a case based on our vote progression. And that seems consistent. When you were being wagoned, you were looking for associationals to try and deflate the wagon. Now when it comes to my slot, you're not really looking at how my slot has interacted or been interacted with. If I'm scum don't you think I could have gotten a bit more traction with my Ben wagon? I mean, that slot wasn't great. But it didn't even build up. So I think my slot is the new low hanging fruit and you were sophisticated enough to pick up on it. And then you left yourself outs in the form of RCE when I flipped town. So I don't know how strong a progression that is, but there was something fishy about your push that didn't feel that way with Vork.

BP

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UiT, what do you mean by a viable lynch?

someone worth lynching



TL

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or at least a lynch there wouldn't be a complete mistake



TL

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Leaving out Vorkuta, who I think had a legit case, the two people that are reading or leaning my slot my slot as scummy today both had me in their townblock toward the end of day yesterday. And 1 of them (PP) tried to direct us to the other (RCEnigma) if I flip town. I don't know what to make of that.

BP

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Unstuck is probably scum here too. Don't like his Tris/RC trajectories. Hey Unstuck, why aren't you doing anything to push RC?

-Hop

If Beta was vigged then my scumread of RCE does not make any sense at all.



TL

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Beta nightkill implicates RCE scum. A spicy nightkill indeed, but Beta was trying to pocket RCE.



TL

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If RCE is somehow still town, then my next guess of who would nightkill Beta would either be the dreaded Phoenix... or Gamma Emerald (who I TR)



TL

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Beta's interaction with RCE was... weird. Beta flipped town but skimming Beta's ISO seems like weak pocketing RCE. This strengthens the chance of RCE being scum regardless.

If RCE turned out to be town, PlatPhoenix is the next obvious choice for who killed Beta, while Gamma Emerald is the non-obvious but interesting choice.



TL

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My Hydra has serious head disagreement and our PT is not really active. I apologize for that to everyone in this game. If we need to die then I can accept that.

I don't think Beta was vigged, I think Beta was the scum kill. I think Ben was vigged, and I don't understand why fakePP is playing both sides here. In 1656 he says he doubts Beta was vigged because that would be a stupid move, but then in 1661 he asks hoptic why he's operating under the only plausible assumption left if you think that Beta wasn't the vig kill. What, does scum have two night kills in this game? No. Also there's no serial killer. What else is left? Ben was vigged. And the why and for what purpose would be to try and get some information from scum's NK.

I get why some people can have some concerns about my slot.
Early facts:

Spoiler:

TL came in and missed the fact that Ben was dead, which was weird. Which is particularly odd because one of the first posts in the day (which was by Norskie at 1564) broke down who the two night kills were voting (we're gonna come back here later because my slot is being misrepped). Then S_S snarkily points out that TL missed that Ben was dead, and TL makes another post at 1571 continuing to build off the reasoning about a NaCL flip determining whether Ben is town or scum. Then PP comes in with the jokes, then quotes the flip. Then TL admits he missed the flip at 1574 then makes the post that fake PP is citing as a clear scum claim "why would scum kill Beta of all things?". Then says that a Beta scum NK means RC is scum.

I don't know that I agree. Then TL got into a spat with Norskie about the WIFOM element of the NK. RC puts up a defense of himself for the NK.

Then Vork cases us on the EOD voting pattern. Though i dont understand why he thinks the beginning of day stuff was fake.

Then PP comes out with 1585:
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Spoiler:

Ben was the more likely vig kill. Beta was probably partly killed for the WIFOM around their reads, be them correct or not. From that either UiT or RCE are scum. RCE if the kill was because of the read, UiT if it was to get us to lynch RCE. I more inclined to think the latter because of 1574. We only had one post about the beta death from Nor then UiT gives the classic mafia post of "oh no why did they die?" and brings up the fact RCE was scum read by beta.
VOTE: UiT
I this is scum, NaCl probably is too. If town, RCE if prolly scum.
- Phoenix

Now, this sets up the next two lynches for them. First they choose my slot because TL wrote "oh no why did they die.". Then when I flip town, he lines up RCE next. Now either fakePP is scum and RCE is town, or fakePP is town which doesn't require a conclusion about RCE.

My concern about this post is this. Norskie was the first to point out the Beta scumread of RC. Then TL pointed out BS's read and said that it got them killed. FakePP built the exact same point into his post but said that because TL pointed it out we're scum. He says either BS was killed because of their reads ergo RC is scum (which is literally what TL had said when they weighed in) or BS was killed to set up RC ergo my slot is scum. Um. . . Why my slot? Why not Norskie who pointed the reads out first? Why not you for now doing the same thing. The WIFOM is out there. I don't know that it was the strongest reason to scumread RCE, but it's definitely there.

And Hoptic, maybe I should be seeing RC as scummy, but I actually think the way that post played out that fakePP killed BS to have someone talk about BS's reads, because they weren't exactly subtle, then jump on someone that did that and then turn onto RC the next day. That literally gets them their needed two mis-lynches if successful. So I am giving RC the benefit of the way that fakePP are playing them. Maybe I'm being misled, but I'd rather push this slot.

Why are you trying to push RC so hard Hoptic?

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My Hydra has serious head disagreement and our PT is not really active. I apologize for that to everyone in this game. If we need to die then I can accept that.

I don't think Beta was vigged, I think Beta was the scum kill. I think Ben was vigged, and I don't understand why fakePP is playing both sides here. In 1656 he says he doubts Beta was vigged because that would be a stupid move, but then in 1661 he asks hoptic why he's operating under the only plausible assumption left if you think that Beta wasn't the vig kill. What, does scum have two night kills in this game? No. Also there's no serial killer. What else is left? Ben was vigged. And the why and for what purpose would be to try and get some information from scum's NK.

I get why some people can have some concerns about my slot.
Early facts:

Spoiler:

TL came in and missed the fact that Ben was dead, which was weird. Which is particularly odd because one of the first posts in the day (which was by Norskie at 1564) broke down who the two night kills were voting (we're gonna come back here later because my slot is being misrepped). Then S_S snarkily points out that TL missed that Ben was dead, and TL makes another post at 1571 continuing to build off the reasoning about a NaCL flip determining whether Ben is town or scum. Then PP comes in with the jokes, then quotes the flip. Then TL admits he missed the flip at 1574 then makes the post that fake PP is citing as a clear scum claim "why would scum kill Beta of all things?". Then says that a Beta scum NK means RC is scum.

I don't know that I agree. Then TL got into a spat with Norskie about the WIFOM element of the NK. RC puts up a defense of himself for the NK.

Then Vork cases us on the EOD voting pattern. Though i dont understand why he thinks the beginning of day stuff was fake.

Then PP comes out with 1585:
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Spoiler:

Ben was the more likely vig kill. Beta was probably partly killed for the WIFOM around their reads, be them correct or not. From that either UiT or RCE are scum. RCE if the kill was because of the read, UiT if it was to get us to lynch RCE. I more inclined to think the latter because of 1574. We only had one post about the beta death from Nor then UiT gives the classic mafia post of "oh no why did they die?" and brings up the fact RCE was scum read by beta.
VOTE: UiT
I this is scum, NaCl probably is too. If town, RCE if prolly scum.
- Phoenix

Now, this sets up the next two lynches for them. First they choose my slot because TL wrote "oh no why did they die.". Then when I flip town, he lines up RCE next. Now either fakePP is scum and RCE is town, or fakePP is town which doesn't require a conclusion about RCE.

My concern about this post is this. Norskie was the first to point out the Beta scumread of RC. Then TL pointed out BS's read and said that it got them killed. FakePP built the exact same point into his post but said that because TL pointed it out we're scum. He says either BS was killed because of their reads ergo RC is scum (which is literally what TL had said when they weighed in) or BS was killed to set up RC ergo my slot is scum. Um. . . Why my slot? Why not Norskie who pointed the reads out first? Why not you for now doing the same thing. The WIFOM is out there. I don't know that it was the strongest reason to scumread RCE, but it's definitely there.

And Hoptic, maybe I should be seeing RC as scummy, but I actually think the way that post played out that fakePP killed BS to have someone talk about BS's reads, because they weren't exactly subtle, then jump on someone that did that and then turn onto RC the next day. That literally gets them their needed two mis-lynches if successful. So I am giving RC the benefit of the way that fakePP are playing them. Maybe I'm being misled, but I'd rather push this slot.

Why are you trying to push RC so hard Hoptic?

Sorry, this was BP

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That doesn't rule out many players in this game. That's not why I think that.

Oooh, sick burn.

BP

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My issue is the way you backed off the read the moment that Plat challenged it or called you out on it. It comes off as appeasement and there isn't much incentive for town to favor the opinion of an objectively scummy slot over their own. But there is for scum trying to stick with the general consensus.

VOTE: UiT

This Hydra thing is completely dysfunctional for me. On both days, we have had serious disagreements over primary Lynch candidates. TL still wants to vote you RC. The backing off that is me. And now I want to policy lunch my own slot because of the Hydra dysfunction.

Again I apologize because I think I'm going to get mis-lynched here and I think it's because we aren't talking through the reads in the PT. I think I made a mistake by not hopping on fakePP's wagon yesterday, and I think that because of the way he came out today.

@RCE - that thing you're accusing TL of doing, FakePP did the exact same thing. Why aren't you pressuring/questioning their slot over it?

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My issue is the way you backed off the read the moment that Plat challenged it or called you out on it. It comes off as appeasement and there isn't much incentive for town to favor the opinion of an objectively scummy slot over their own. But there is for scum trying to stick with the general consensus.

VOTE: UiT

This Hydra thing is completely dysfunctional for me. On both days, we have had serious disagreements over primary Lynch candidates. TL still wants to vote you RC. The backing off that is me. And now I want to policy lunch my own slot because of the Hydra dysfunction.

Again I apologize because I think I'm going to get mis-lynched here and I think it's because we aren't talking through the reads in the PT. I think I made a mistake by not hopping on fakePP's wagon yesterday, and I think that because of the way he came out today.

@RCE - that thing you're accusing TL of doing, FakePP did the exact same thing. Why aren't you pressuring/questioning their slot over it?

BP

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I don't understand why fakePP is playing both sides here.

did you just ignore 1664?

I'm not sure how i feel about BP going on about "policy lynch me plz". Part of me wants to believe he's a townie frustrated at the situation his hydra's put him in, but another part of me wonders if he's just scum trying to appeal to emotions.

I don't think the tone of posting is from frustrated town.
- Phoenix

I saw it. How exactly did you read that incorrectly? Did you think he said he thought Beta was vigged?

BP

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The fact that nobody but me and S_S has been mainly advocating for NaCL so far makes me wonder if NaCL is scum. Currently there is a lower percentage of townies compared to scum since Night 1 passed, so i'm thinking scum would be feeling more confident in pushing for mislynches. Like maybe what we're seeing with RCE and UiT? I feel like they might both just be a distraction, the former even more so than the latter. Therefore the fact that not so many people has jumped on NaCL's scummy behaviour in favour of trashing RCE and UiT makes me feel like NaCL is the safest bet to vote right now.
I don't think i'm going to switch my vote.

I think I've glazed over most of the time when nacl posts. Run me through your scumread Norwegian.

Well some of it i've said already in posts here and there, but i guess i should put all of my thoughts into one post so it will become more coherent.
First of all, he's been wanting to lynch me for a long time based upon the "tone of my posts" but he hasn't elaborated further, so i don't know why he keeps trying to raise attention to me. In day 1 he really wanted to lynch me, but "compromised" on lynching Tris instead. I know this is not too interesting since there's no way for me to prove i'm a townie, but i can't leave behind the possibility that he is scum who found himself what he believes to be a "easy" target, and keeps trying to test the waters to see if the town is willing to mislynch me.
Then in post 1521 he strongly advocates lynching Benhalkum, but hammers Tris, so he found himself two suspects, both of which turned out to be town. I believe this might have been him attempting to set up a day 2 mislynch in the form of benhalkum once the Tris lynch went through, but his plan was thwarted when the vig killed Ben. (Which is what i assumed happened) NaCL

might

be the vigilante as well, but if he was i don't think he would be acting so hostile against his future vig kill and bringing unwanted attention upon himself by the mafia and their ability to nightkill. So if my theory is correct, then NaCL is one of the most anti-town people i've currently nailed down of the whole rooster. If he's scum then his lynch would give a lot of information as well, he's claimed he was "heavily against" the Fake-PP wagon of D1, so if he's scum= Fake-PP most likely scum as well. NaCL's votes have always seemed opportunistic to me, he will seem content with anyone's lynch except for Fake-PP's wagon for some reason. Preferring to spend his time being combative about why anyone "votes for that guy" like he wants to bring it up later if he knows their mislynch will give him ammo for setting up future mislynches and he can later go "aha! He voted for X, clearly scummy!"

To be honest, though, it feels like I'm a 'safe' place for people to park their votes on, given how it happened yesterday as well.

This gives me bad vibes.

As for RCE and UiT i feel like the attacks on RCE are kinda artificial, it's just a crappy WIFOM argument as well as some (You're not like THAT in the games i've played with you?! WHERE'S THE REAL RCE???!) which seemed to me like bad arguments even back in D1, so i don't find them too engaging here in in D2 either. UiT's wagon seems more natural, but i have this feeling that UiT is genuine. It seems like they want to help town, but the whole "hydra" thing is making them difficult for each other to communicate which makes it easy for anyone to point out inconsistencies between the two.

Thank you for doing this. I was starting to doubt you were scum overnight but you really proved me wrong. VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

I don't believe you would have changed your mind or your vote on me regardless of how many people were voting me. If more people were voting me, would you say that makes me town? It's ridiculous logic.

Next, I wasn't scumreading you for your tone, I said you were a null read in that post at that point. I didn't like you because of your voting patterns. The wagon on Fake-PP grew too quickly for a town wagon compared to what I was seeing, and I think someone who got on early is scum, which is why I'm also suspicious of Hoptic.

Yes, I hammered Tris because that lynch was going through regardless. Do you think that I would have been doing that if it was between you and Tris, or Benhalkum and Tris, or anyone? Because Tris wasn't going to come back, and short of anyone claiming scum openly, that lynch wasn't changing. It's really easy to say that Benhalkum was me setting up a mislynch after he flipped, but did you ever consider how scummy he was?

You keep calling me anti-town rather than scum as an out for when I flip town.

My defense of Fake-PP is because I thought the wagon was bad.

Your attack on me is bad and it's clearly not taking an actual look at what I'm saying. If you're town, look over it again and stop lying about what my actual reasons are.

I agree that the logic is convoluted and ridiculous. So how exactly is that scummy?

Check the join date. You think scum makes a bizarre case out on you when he's one of two on the wagon and needs 4 more to hop on or tries to make a passable case on the other developing wagon and hops on which makes 3 and only needs 3 more with Hoptic already saying I'm probably scum? If anything, S_S's vote on you is worse, because he voted you to kick off the day shading you for hammering before a claim when Tris was V/LA and we were probably too late for a different wagon anyway.

I really don't understand your SR of Norwegian here. The only way it makes sense is if you think he's trying to pull people off of me since I'm the counter-wagon at the moment. Do you think I'm scum with Norwegian? I think I'm having trouble with how him pushing you with bad logic means he's scum?

BP

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The wagon on Fake-PP grew too quickly for a town wagon compared to what I was seeing, and I think someone who got on early is scum, which is why I'm also suspicious of Hoptic.

I heavily defended Fake-PP at a point in time where the vote could have been pushed trough. If i was scum, and Phoenix town, there is no good reason why i wouldn’t have just sat in a dark corner and given zero shits about his lynch. If you’re the same and townread Phoenix, i don’t see why scumreading me for being an early vote is any longer relevant.

When did you heavily defend fakePP?

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The wagon on Fake-PP grew too quickly for a town wagon compared to what I was seeing, and I think someone who got on early is scum, which is why I'm also suspicious of Hoptic.

I heavily defended Fake-PP at a point in time where the vote could have been pushed trough. If i was scum, and Phoenix town, there is no good reason why i wouldn’t have just sat in a dark corner and given zero shits about his lynch. If you’re the same and townread Phoenix, i don’t see why scumreading me for being an early vote is any longer relevant.

When did you heavily defend fakePP?

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The fact that nobody but me and S_S has been mainly advocating for NaCL so far makes me wonder if NaCL is scum. Currently there is a lower percentage of townies compared to scum since Night 1 passed, so i'm thinking scum would be feeling more confident in pushing for mislynches. Like maybe what we're seeing with RCE and UiT? I feel like they might both just be a distraction, the former even more so than the latter. Therefore the fact that not so many people has jumped on NaCL's scummy behaviour in favour of trashing RCE and UiT makes me feel like NaCL is the safest bet to vote right now.
I don't think i'm going to switch my vote.

I think I've glazed over most of the time when nacl posts. Run me through your scumread Norwegian.

Well some of it i've said already in posts here and there, but i guess i should put all of my thoughts into one post so it will become more coherent.
First of all, he's been wanting to lynch me for a long time based upon the "tone of my posts" but he hasn't elaborated further, so i don't know why he keeps trying to raise attention to me. In day 1 he really wanted to lynch me, but "compromised" on lynching Tris instead. I know this is not too interesting since there's no way for me to prove i'm a townie, but i can't leave behind the possibility that he is scum who found himself what he believes to be a "easy" target, and keeps trying to test the waters to see if the town is willing to mislynch me.
Then in post 1521 he strongly advocates lynching Benhalkum, but hammers Tris, so he found himself two suspects, both of which turned out to be town. I believe this might have been him attempting to set up a day 2 mislynch in the form of benhalkum once the Tris lynch went through, but his plan was thwarted when the vig killed Ben. (Which is what i assumed happened) NaCL

might

be the vigilante as well, but if he was i don't think he would be acting so hostile against his future vig kill and bringing unwanted attention upon himself by the mafia and their ability to nightkill. So if my theory is correct, then NaCL is one of the most anti-town people i've currently nailed down of the whole rooster. If he's scum then his lynch would give a lot of information as well, he's claimed he was "heavily against" the Fake-PP wagon of D1, so if he's scum= Fake-PP most likely scum as well. NaCL's votes have always seemed opportunistic to me, he will seem content with anyone's lynch except for Fake-PP's wagon for some reason. Preferring to spend his time being combative about why anyone "votes for that guy" like he wants to bring it up later if he knows their mislynch will give him ammo for setting up future mislynches and he can later go "aha! He voted for X, clearly scummy!"

To be honest, though, it feels like I'm a 'safe' place for people to park their votes on, given how it happened yesterday as well.

This gives me bad vibes.

As for RCE and UiT i feel like the attacks on RCE are kinda artificial, it's just a crappy WIFOM argument as well as some (You're not like THAT in the games i've played with you?! WHERE'S THE REAL RCE???!) which seemed to me like bad arguments even back in D1, so i don't find them too engaging here in in D2 either. UiT's wagon seems more natural, but i have this feeling that UiT is genuine. It seems like they want to help town, but the whole "hydra" thing is making them difficult for each other to communicate which makes it easy for anyone to point out inconsistencies between the two.

Thank you for doing this. I was starting to doubt you were scum overnight but you really proved me wrong. VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

I don't believe you would have changed your mind or your vote on me regardless of how many people were voting me. If more people were voting me, would you say that makes me town? It's ridiculous logic.

Next, I wasn't scumreading you for your tone, I said you were a null read in that post at that point. I didn't like you because of your voting patterns. The wagon on Fake-PP grew too quickly for a town wagon compared to what I was seeing, and I think someone who got on early is scum, which is why I'm also suspicious of Hoptic.

Yes, I hammered Tris because that lynch was going through regardless. Do you think that I would have been doing that if it was between you and Tris, or Benhalkum and Tris, or anyone? Because Tris wasn't going to come back, and short of anyone claiming scum openly, that lynch wasn't changing. It's really easy to say that Benhalkum was me setting up a mislynch after he flipped, but did you ever consider how scummy he was?

You keep calling me anti-town rather than scum as an out for when I flip town.

My defense of Fake-PP is because I thought the wagon was bad.

Your attack on me is bad and it's clearly not taking an actual look at what I'm saying. If you're town, look over it again and stop lying about what my actual reasons are.

I agree that the logic is convoluted and ridiculous. So how exactly is that scummy?

Check the join date. You think scum makes a bizarre case out on you when he's one of two on the wagon and needs 4 more to hop on or tries to make a passable case on the other developing wagon and hops on which makes 3 and only needs 3 more with Hoptic already saying I'm probably scum? If anything, S_S's vote on you is worse, because he voted you to kick off the day shading you for hammering before a claim when Tris was V/LA and we were probably too late for a different wagon anyway.

I really don't understand your SR of Norwegian here. The only way it makes sense is if you think he's trying to pull people off of me since I'm the counter-wagon at the moment. Do you think I'm scum with Norwegian? I think I'm having trouble with how him pushing you with bad logic means he's scum?

BP

You know that reasoning only works if you're town, right?

And I'm more focused on Norwegian because of his play yesterday, and the fact that he's lying about my reasons. If he was town, why would he be misrepresenting what I've been doing like that? It's not that he's just making a bad case, it's that misrepresenting and discrediting my posts on him from before. None of the things he was saying I was doing was for the reason I was doing it.

Yes I do, which is why I'm so convinced of it personally. I don't think Asgard is pulling off a multi-level pocketing Gambit. Of course maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that's what's happening. So yes, I get that I'm the only one that would be persuaded by that reason alone absent me flipping, so that's why I asked you if you think I'm scum with him, which you ignored in your response. So I'll ask again. Do you think I'm scum with Norwegian, because otherwise your push of him doesn't make sense in light of what I pointed out.

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@UiT

I looked over you again, and I think you're probably town. I had a solid townread D1, it weakened a bit after your D2 posts. But I agree, you're probably not scum. Still, I don't really see that it would clear Norwegian if you're town. Do you not think that he could push me if he's scum even if you're town?

Also, just to be clear, what do you think of his case on me? I think you believe that he's wrong, but not lying, and I want to know why you think he's able to make such a mistake and isn't going out of his way to misrepresent what I've said and done.

Let me re-read tomorrow. Had an intense day of driving around so I want to recommit. I know when I read it it struck me as bad, but I didn't see any misrepresentation. Let me re-read it in light of your comments to see if I do see some misreps.

I don't see what scum!Norwegian gets out of pushing you instead of me when he could have pushed me up higher. I can't remember if he was scumreading me at the time, so that's something I'm going to have to recheck. I did find his comment that he hard defending fake!PP at the height of his pressure to be a misrep. I'm further concerned that when I asked him to clarify what he meant, he pointed me to a post where he was still scumreading fakePP and still voting him.

Care to explain that Norwegian? Also, what reaction of mine exactly was the reaction that you would have expected from town!NaCL when you said you would have expected something like what you saw from my slot?

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Also, those votes on fakePP happened very close together. Why now OGPP?

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@UiT

I looked over you again, and I think you're probably town. I had a solid townread D1, it weakened a bit after your D2 posts. But I agree, you're probably not scum. Still, I don't really see that it would clear Norwegian if you're town. Do you not think that he could push me if he's scum even if you're town?

Also, just to be clear, what do you think of his case on me? I think you believe that he's wrong, but not lying, and I want to know why you think he's able to make such a mistake and isn't going out of his way to misrepresent what I've said and done.

I re-read. You're right that his case on you is bad, and yeah probably a mis-rep. I can see why you would want to push there, and I don't have a good reason to say don't do it. But I'm not going to, because I think that both at that time and now, I'm an easier target and I think he'd have probably pushed me instead.

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If Platphoenix still somehow turns out to be town GE might not be town.

I still strongly think Platphoenix is scum



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Based on what?

idk thought it was because of GE/platphoenix reaction



TL

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Reaction to plats wagon?

Very town-motivated wagon



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yeah that makes GE to be town regardless

actually I figured out why I thought GE would not be town if Platphoenix is town... it was NKA



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@UiT

I looked over you again, and I think you're probably town. I had a solid townread D1, it weakened a bit after your D2 posts. But I agree, you're probably not scum. Still, I don't really see that it would clear Norwegian if you're town. Do you not think that he could push me if he's scum even if you're town?

Also, just to be clear, what do you think of his case on me? I think you believe that he's wrong, but not lying, and I want to know why you think he's able to make such a mistake and isn't going out of his way to misrepresent what I've said and done.

I re-read. You're right that his case on you is bad, and yeah probably a mis-rep. I can see why you would want to push there, and I don't have a good reason to say don't do it. But I'm not going to, because I think that both at that time and now, I'm an easier target and I think he'd have probably pushed me instead.

BP

I don't see why you have this idea that scum Norwegian would have to push you when he could be pushing me. Do you think that scum is pushing you already, or are the people who were after you town? Because it's entirely possible for different people on the scumteam to be pushing different townies.

Town seems quite dysfunctional right now. Does someone have a really good case on anybody so far?

Well, that's something we can both agree on.

I read through RCE again, and my main issue is that he wasn't really doing anything actively, seemed more like he was feeling out for a lynch. Which unfortunately isn't a very good case but I'm fine to vote him still.

As for Hoptic, some of his posts feel bad, like 168 is LAMIST, and he's making a bad excuse for shading me in 1114. Also, his voting record is kind of similar to your own, in that I also don't like it.

Do you think Hoptic's town, Norwegian? For that matter, do you think PlatinumPhoenix is town?

In response to your first point, I'm an idiot and didn't even consider that possibility.

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@Vork - how well would you rate your ability to read Chennis?

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@Vork - how well would you rate your ability to read Chennis?

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0- I've mentioned several times that I'm used to a very passive/lurky/"doesn't leave too much of an impression/"mod-prod-him-already" Chenny
This Chen (by own announcement) is power-playing in this game so that's new to me.

I'm reading him based on what I think scum-optimal play would be- not chen-specific mafia play

I think that was genuine and outside his scum range

I don't, why?

I don't think scum resorts to emotional outbursts like these. It was quite heated at the moment.
Let me put it like this: if chen does flip scum after that, I will lose a lot of respect for him considering the shit he staged.

So when you said it was outside his scum range is that because you think in general he's a good player? I'm just confused by your word choice of outside his scum range then saying that the read was based on optimal scum play.

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The stall on L-1 is interesting.

What is interesting about it? I want to get to the point where I can analyze wagons, but I feel like I don't have enough experience to do it yet.

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I don't know what to make of this game. Vork basically declared intent but didn't hammer after a VT claim. @Vork why?

Also, I don't remember you taking a position on the wagon after the claim. You said you didn't like S_S's comments but that was it.

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Votecount 1.05

With 13 players, it takes 7 to lynch

benhalkum (1) ~

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Platinum Phoenix (5) L-2~

PenguinPower, Hoptic, norwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, RCEnigma

RCEnigma (1) ~

Beta Sapphire

norwegianboyEE (1) ~

NaCl

Not Voting (5) ~

Something_Smart, tris, benhalkum, Platinum Phoenix, Vorkuta

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...And I’m back!!!!!

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Ok Vork who are you proposing is scum in either scenario? Well mostly if you think he wasn't hammered because all scum was on board and they couldn't get town to push it through.

Because on the flip side "cautious scum" would be in the non voters of SS/Nacl/UiT which I haven't seen you push since from your perspective you're town, plat is town, and I've omitted all the flipped town. Even if you strongly strongly townread SS which I think you've said you do that leaves nacl/UiT or a combination of 1 with voters already on board.

If plat is town and scum is at least 1 of UiT/NacL why not hammer, I don't know if either were townreading him and nacl went on to hammer Tris who flipped town.

I think I'm kind of arguing myself away from my uit read here but it doesn't line up if plat is town.

The alternative is Plat scum with nacl and in that case the team is probably Vork/plat/nacl

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Plat L-1

Can you explain this vis-a-vis my slot, because this confused me. You had been scumreading my slot (at least I thought you were), but then this post makes it look like you excluded me from your pool in all cases.

Also, I was about to ask you how you got to that read and dropped the hammer, because I didn't think you were voting Plat at the time, but when I iso'd you I saw the hammer was fake so I left it out there. Who were you trying to get the reaction from?

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Votecount 1.05

With 13 players, it takes 7 to lynch

benhalkum (1) ~

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Platinum Phoenix (5) L-2~

PenguinPower, Hoptic, norwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, RCEnigma

RCEnigma (1) ~

Beta Sapphire

norwegianboyEE (1) ~

NaCl

Not Voting (5) ~

Something_Smart, tris, benhalkum, Platinum Phoenix, Vorkuta

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Ok Vork who are you proposing is scum in either scenario? Well mostly if you think he wasn't hammered because all scum was on board and they couldn't get town to push it through.

Because on the flip side "cautious scum" would be in the non voters of SS/Nacl/UiT which I haven't seen you push since from your perspective you're town, plat is town, and I've omitted all the flipped town. Even if you strongly strongly townread SS which I think you've said you do that leaves nacl/UiT or a combination of 1 with voters already on board.

If plat is town and scum is at least 1 of UiT/NacL why not hammer, I don't know if either were townreading him and nacl went on to hammer Tris who flipped town.

I think I'm kind of arguing myself away from my uit read here but it doesn't line up if plat is town.

The alternative is Plat scum with nacl and in that case the team is probably Vork/plat/nacl

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Plat L-1

Can you explain this vis-a-vis my slot, because this confused me. You had been scumreading my slot (at least I thought you were), but then this post makes it look like you excluded me from your pool in all cases.

Also, I was about to ask you how you got to that read and dropped the hammer, because I didn't think you were voting Plat at the time, but when I iso'd you I saw the hammer was fake so I left it out there. Who were you trying to get the reaction from?

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norwegianboyEE is a spicy nightkill...

we're in 7p LYLO... how we win this aoewpr is anyone's guess. Not having the vig alive only makes this near impossible (we have 3 village AP unclaimed tho)

I'm up for voting RCE or NaCl...



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I'm in my usual confusion spiral. Good news is I have a 50/50 shot of hitting scum if I vote. Bad news is I now officially trust no one. Penguin pushed fakepp and something smart yesterday.

Vork you said I was sketchy assuming a fakepp green flip. Why aren't you pushing me today? I think I'm in the no reads territory. This game went from hyperactive to dead. And it did it kinda fast.

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Penguin pushed...something smart yesterday.

I did?


Pretty sure I haven't pushed anyone except fake!PP, but feel free to remind me where I did.

You didn't. And you could have jumped on me for screwing that up but you didn't. It looked like you may have been shading Vork but you only pushed fakepp, like all game.

Why'd you vote right out the gate in LYLO though?

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UNVOTE:

Consider my vote there.

Can you case that for me?

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Guys let's massclaim

Sure, why not? I'm VT.

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Well there went that attempt.

I'm shot in this game. I dont really have any reads one way or another. I think RC may be a bit of a scumlean for me, but I dont really know why. I think pp is probably town here. Maybe Vork, but I'm even less confident on that than pp. I dont think I'm going to be able to come to a scumread on my own here. If I'm the one casting the vote for our slot, I think I'm probably going to sheep one of my town reads.

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@Nacl - I have the worst reason for thinking pp is town. I think that my slot was an easy push today. RC has been skeptical of my slot. I think Hop has been skeptical (but I may be wrong - doing that from memory), you've been back and forth. I think if PP was scum, I was an easy push right out of the gate and probably could have gotten at least one town to hop on.

So I think pp is probably town. Vork got SS right when there was suspicion there, and I dont think he was predicting that that was the nk, so I dont think that was a read to buy credibility post-flip.

Vork pulling back a bit today after saying that I was shady in the event of a Chennai flip leaves me confused but I dont know what to make of it.

But those are my weak as hell cases.

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I think RCE and NaCl are worth voting.

don't know who I'd place as third scum though.



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Man, this game seems to have died. I'm thinking RCE. I really wanted to sheep a town read, but if I have to decide myself, I think I'm going for RCE. I'm also pretty suspicious of hop, but I could also see that readlist as paranoid town.

BP

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How about an actual vote instead of waiting for an opportunity?

Sometimes we need to pounce when we see a glimmer of opportunity.

VOTE: RCEnigma

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dude this game is pretty much in stasis

if I unvote guess what's gonna happen?

TL

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if I unvote this game dies and nobody wins...

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we're in LYLO we only have 2 and a half real days to make that decision

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I'll tell you what I'll unvote now, but time is not on our side so we can't afford to just wait.

pedit: the deadline is not frozen and we won't get an extension

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well at least I know time is still ticking...

TL

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wow I didn't actually unvote

UNVOTE:

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if nothing else I'd vote RCE

though titus's VCA is a something else



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We're less than a day from deadline (a deadline extension would help but idk if we will get one)...

I'm just gonna put my vote where it belongs for now...

VOTE: RCEnigma

I'm not sure how Vorkuta is possibly scum...



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Ok, I'm sold on Hoptic. If we can still hammer I will.

VOTE: RCE

We may be there already but whatever.

BP

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Uh hey guys

What if by some stroke of luck we got a deadline extension and the hammer didnt count or something?

we make sure we have a hammer anyway in that case...

Gotta plan for the 0.1%

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yeah but can we get a hammer on someone who ISNT RCE?

I really really dislike the wagon on him and think that it comes from 2/3 scum who's like "WE LOLHAMMER TO WIN" while yelling at their teammate to get online

this makes me understand why people SR Vorkuta...

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So hold on Vork. Who's the 2/3 scum on the RCE wagon? Because here's how the votes went down:

Tituss voted you
We voted RCE
Rce voted us
Nacl voted RCE then unvote
Hop voted RCE
Nacl revoted RCE
Then you hammered then unvote

When we voted again, we had already been there. So either you hammered when you didnt need to as scum (find that really hard to believe), you were wrong when you gave hop praise for spewing town, or the guy that voted then unvote then revoted is the scum, or potentially this is an all town wagon (probably unlikely) and the scum team is RCE+Gamma/Titus+Penguin

That would explain why the fake pp wagon died on D1 when 2 scum helped push it. And that would explain the Beta night kill. It was for the reads, and RC just had the plan to shade the first person that pointed it out.

Or you 3 are scum and lol hammered after we voted RC. But given that you're still speculating when the hammer got laid down I think that's unlikely.

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not really... if we get a scum (non-zombie) flip we advance to second mylo

if the hammer doesn't get counted, RCE flips town, or RCE flips zombie... we're done for...



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ebwop: LYLO, not MYLO

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Games over either way so meh.

Shit so you're town? Damnit, was it salt? Or was Hops post game townspew fake?

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There were enough votes for a hammer. The only question is this deadline question. RC you said game is over. Is that because you're actually town and we lynched wrong in LYLO or is that because you think the deadline passed and the game is just dead?

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Well good game scum. Were all three of you in on that lynch and we were just the derps?

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I'm not trolling. I legit want to reread the game knowing who scum are.

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So does that mean scum was penguin+nacl+gamma/tituss? And if so, damn I was nowhere in this game.

BP

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Listmod is aware.

p-edit

...no...

So when you said town in that post above, you were saying that you were town or that RC was town?

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Vork were you town? I almost cant believe that Hoptic was scum after whats been going on in endgame.

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Ok so someone that's posting in what I thought was endgame. Hoptic was spewing town at the end on the basis of being pissed off about the game with the modern absence and around deadline. He also posted post Vorkuta hammer. I think he'd have said something by now. He also accused me of post game trolling so if hes doing that, that's mad dickish. So if this game isn't over I'm not lynching Hop.

RCE also claimed town. I think that's the obvious lie, because myself, Hop, NaCl, Penguin, and Vork all posted. If RCE is town, theres at least one scum in that group, so someone would have floated.

Now, if RCE is scum, theres no incentive here to out yourself, because maybe the model does come back. So in that case, I feel like everyone goes in the pool.

Assuming that RC is scum, I think I clear Hop and Vork. Vork didnt need to come back to hammer or attempt to hammer.

I think Titus has to be the lynch tomorrow, then its between Penguin and NaCl for the next day with my slight preference at the moment being penguin I think, but I could easily change this, since I think its unlikely that the LYLO lynch was all town if it went forward.

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Ok so someone that's posting in what I thought was endgame. Hoptic was spewing town at the end on the basis of being pissed off about the game with the modern absence and around deadline. He also posted post Vorkuta hammer. I think he'd have said something by now. He also accused me of post game trolling so if hes doing that, that's mad dickish. So if this game isn't over I'm not lynching Hop.

RCE also claimed town. I think that's the obvious lie, because myself, Hop, NaCl, Penguin, and Vork all posted. If RCE is town, theres at least one scum in that group, so someone would have floated.

Now, if RCE is scum, theres no incentive here to out yourself, because maybe the model does come back. So in that case, I feel like everyone goes in the pool.

Assuming that RC is scum, I think I clear Hop and Vork. Vork didnt need to come back to hammer or attempt to hammer.

I think Titus has to be the lynch tomorrow, then its between Penguin and NaCl for the next day with my slight preference at the moment being penguin I think, but I could easily change this, since I think its unlikely that the LYLO lynch was all town if it went forward.

BP

That first sentence should read someone that's posting in what I thought was endgame was lying.

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Vork were you town?

So hold on Vork. Who's the 2/3 scum on the RCE wagon? Because here's how the votes went down:

{You/Hop}, NaCl, and Titus no?

If RC was town and I was scum I'd be dancing here. Do you think a lynch goes through in LYLO in an apathetic game state with 2 scum on it against town?

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Man if RC flips town, this is really just assholery from at least one person that knew and didnt say anything.

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There is a universe in which my hammer on RCE was/is forgiven due to deadline rush/misunderstandings and the day is still playing out. Which means our scumhunying isn't over
That's literally why I'm poking this game with a stick

I cant see that. You were the fourth vote. That's a lynch. Your hammer isn't forgiven. The only question is whether it was in time or not.

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Wait, RCE is scum is best case scenario right? That means you're not wasting our time. And NaCL's post is interesting, because hes shading you for the hammer despite you hammering.

BP

Pedit: oh jesus fuck. I'm a lawyer and that sounds like hyper technical bullshit.

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And that bullshit explanation makes me think NaCl may have been onto something with you.

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Best case scenario is that the game isn't over. And there are "2" versions of events where that happens, so I'm still exploring them. And uh... I put up a fight until the very end, it's kinda my thing.

Here in Soviet Russia, law is determined by

party officials

mod

What BS explanation?

Your post 2069

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I've heard of days getting replayed no?

I've been on this site for like 3 months, so I haven't heard of that. And how that day played out, I figured that it was very likely that you were town that maybe just missed the hammer. But now you acknowledging that that vote happened in "no man's time" and that you were conscious of that at the time you voted makes me give more credit to NaCl. But given the fact that you could have played it off like you didnt know it, maybe it shouldn't be at your expense.

I am pretty convinced that Hop is town, I dont know anything else at the moment.

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What's the harm?

The upside is that we may have an extra tad bit of preparation if the game is resumed

Alright, I'm gonna be less paranoid. I think you and hop are town. I just need to find the other town player, which I think is between penguin and NaCl.

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*pokes this game with a stick*

Yeah, I dont know what's going on here.

BP