Open 765: Haunted Village (Over)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hello everyone, i don't know anyone here. But i'll do my best.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just so everyone is in the clear, i've read the setup and while i really don't understand a single thing about the "points mechanic" i did gather from the setup that we are informed about who the mafia roles are already.
So Baezu has already told us in the second post which mafia roles are in the game:

- The undead role are Zombie, Witch and Ghoul

This means (If i'm understanding this right) that the mafia has looked at the townie power roles and decided they want the 2 specific roles. (Putting aside the generic goon which is called "ghoul" in this setup)

- Zombie
Will always resurrect the next day if lynched. Can only be permanently killed by other means.

- Witch
Basically the mafia rolecop.

(Please explain to me if i misunderstood something.)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Almost 14 days left before deadline. How much of that time are we using before the lynch i wonder? Seems a bit hasty to start voting already so early, but if it puts pressure on players i’m all for it.
VOTE: benhalkum

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh god, those hydras are starting to confuse me already.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think we should spend so much time figuring out power roles come day 1. Let’s focus on scumtells.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[quote="In post 64
-I don't like how Norskee is using appeal to his newbiness. Not a fan. My very vast experience with this (hi penguin, please confirm) makes me want to say that this is scummy.[/quote]
I can see why you'd think that. I've accused other people of this off-site.
But i am honestly just terrified of having signed up to such a complex looking setup, though my fears have eased a bit by now. I think it might not be as complex as i initially thought after all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Um what is going on? What’s "lockscum"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm it's a bit difficult to butt in with my reads since i can't tell whether anyone is deviating from their normal townie behavior. But Hectic/Hoptic seems the most genuine out of everyone so far. For Penguin i'm undecided. Vorkuta... I'm not sure i can put my thoughts on him properly into words yet, but something about his posts feels slightly... off. I'll keep an closer eye on him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm it's a bit difficult to butt in with my reads

-self awareness
-OMGUSy shade given that I've accused him of overplaying his newbie card

Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have a winner

OMGUS? What's that?
Well sorry for being a tad bit more submissive in this gigantic game. I've only played a couple of mafia games off-site with people I've known for years (And mafia games is a relatively new thing we've started doing as well, the reason i signed up on mafiascum is because one of the players told us he had past experience from this site, so he basically told us plebeians how we were supposed to play the game) This is one of my first games with a bunch of unknown people that type a lot more comprehensive, informative text and puts a lot of what is said under scrutiny compared to what i'm used to.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Vorkuta
So what my google search told me about OMGUS is "oh my god you suck".
Are you saying you think i have slight suspicions about you because of spite? Because that's just plain wrong. It has more to do with the language and tone of your comments. And also the fact that your extensive setup speculation about the zombie makes it seem like you are "fishing" for PR's like Hectic so elegantly put it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok, i'll make sure to pretend i'm a mafia professional from now on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Platinum Phoenix
Can you make a couple less but more informative posts rather than making a bunch of small ones with tiny mostly useless tidbits of information?
Please, for all our sake.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Platinum Phoenix
Can you make a couple less but more informative posts rather than making a bunch of small ones with tiny mostly useless tidbits of information?
Please, for all our sake.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gamma's recent posts are chuck full of LAMIST WIFOM OMGUS ATE elements and I think we can POE lynch him now based on VCA and WKING.

I know i'm probably going to piss off Vorkuta with me "using my newbie card" yet again.
But what the actual **** am i reading? Lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Post 253 and 267 are some of the better points brought up so far. I'd like to see them answered.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wait. 253 is wrong. I meant 254

[NorwegianboyEE]

[quote="In post 290Like I have Asperger's[/quote]

Thanks for sharing it. I’ll keep that in mind for if you criticize someone for basic spelling mistakes again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sorry, it’s really hard to properly quote posts whwn typing from your phone.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is there a way to get rid of the zombie outside of lynching it? Like any townie power roles?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I checked the game setup: the Sorceress (vigilante) shot might permanently kill it, but the role is probably not in the game since they chose the zombie in the first place...

[NorwegianboyEE]

I understand what NaCL is trying to say. There’s so much text and different users with 2 heads and everything that it does get sort of intimidating and hard to focus at times.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Speaking of political and reactive- norskee... has uh... also um... yeah idk what to make of his ISO

Yep that's me right now. I don't want to generate content unless i feel sure about what i'm saying. I've been lynched day 1 so many times lately just because i tried to aggressively solve the game and got my ass kicked.

<REDACTED>

I'll post my reads eventually. Just give me some time, we've got more than 10 days before the deadline. No point rushing things.

Please do not refer to ongoing games. This will be your only warning

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh. My bad. I've seen people link to other games so i thought it was ok. Didn't know it was against the rules doing it for any ongoing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why is that a rule anyway?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If we identify the zombie by lynching him or gaining insight through PR's the information can be used to find his scum teammates and the slot will remain as a guaranteed Lylo lynch. So i don't think it will be a big problem, it actually seems like a bad PR for the mafia to choose. Which leads me to believe that maybe they aren't so intelligent?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Welcome back from post 56

[NorwegianboyEE]

Phoenix. Your post 596 mentions about Ben:

i don't really understand why the wagon is happening and i dont think its great. it's very easy to vote someone because they made a few shitty posts early game about jesters (17 & 28) and haven't had overall great tone. but i don't think the wagon has much substance because at EoD i doubt benhalkum will be lynched. like, a lot of stances wrt this slot feel like "im lazy and ill vote here" rather than "solvey" - a lot of votes on him feel convenient rather than solvey.

Why the sudden change?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ah i see.
Vote count?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Most active player currently scum read us. If I tried to start a wagon people would start complaining I'm trying to start a wagon and not vote with us, thus destroying my idea of pressure. Voting for an existing wagon - ben being the only current one - I am applying the pressure I wanted to.

- Phoenix

My scum senses are tingling a bit. Your thought process described here is even more scummy than if you'd just vote and start another wagon tbh.

Changing my vote.
VOTE: Platinum Phoenix

[NorwegianboyEE]

So what is your suggestion for us to do Benhalkum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

No lynch is almost always stupid.
Much less info is gathered from nightkills than lynches. And i wouldn’t rely on any power roles, for starters we don’t even know what roles we have and what they can do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Benhalkum do you still stand by your vote on Vorkuta? Do you scumread him?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah hold up actually. Who is this partner Asgard speaks of?

I didn’t say that. I hope Phoenix didn’t do that intentionally because even i was thinking "wow that guy sounds scummy!" Before realizing i wrote the rest and the other sentence was just taped on there from some other quote. This is why you use previews people. (That’s rich, coming from myself)

[NorwegianboyEE]

So completely fragmented and no counterwagon...
What does wagonomics 101 heavily imply then?

I don't know... what?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Damn Unstuck. You're a analyzing monster. Wish i was as good as you. Townie points approved.
Your post 868 seriously making me reconsider voting Ben again.
Also i made reads for 3 people yesterday, but i'm too lazy to finish the rest so i'll just post what i've got now and complete the rest later.
(Yeah i know it's slightly outdated. But i just want to get it out there so people can understand i'm not lurking, just kinda lazy.)

Spoiler:

Hoptic:
Hopkirk
Both of the heads have been defending me a lot. I want to trust them based on this, but I know that’s a silly and non-logical position to take. Hopkirk’s early posts actually give me slightly scummy vibes, but his later posts are more analytical and less meme-y. So i’m hoping his early play was just flair and joking around before getting more serious. Feeling neutral for now.
Hectic
I really like the humor of this guy, in fact this duo might be my favourite hydra simply based on entertainment value. The mixture of jokes and seriousness makes it easier for me to follow what they are both saying. Some of the jokes fall flat though, I can't see what’s funny about pretending to be blind (post 178). I thought hectic was being serious for a second, making it annoying to realize he was lying. Some things just shouldn’t be joked about imho. Anyway, he makes many good points, better than Hopkirk’s at times. All in all I’m getting a mostly towny vibe from him.
Null Hopkirk + Townlean Hectic = Slight townlean Hoptic

Benhalkum:
He came in like a wrecking ball, then he just sort of disappeared after post 56… Yeah that’s not looking too good for him already. His posts give me scumvibes, he starts off with a joke vote, retracts it hastily, then gets all serious and accuses Hoptic in post 28 to be “lying somewhere!” with bolded text. Why does he suddenly get so tense? Then he retracts that as well. Switching back and forth from Hoptic and Vorkuta like he’s playing tennis. I’ve never been a fan of wishy-washy voting, so I might be slightly biased here… but ugh. Don’t like the little he’s presented so far. [I’ve been keeping my vote on this guy for a good while. Just FYI)
EDIT: ALERT! ALERT! Post 699# has Ben checking in. Being all “Hey, spending vacation with family!” Aw, he’s got a family. How dare he spend his free time AWAY from us?

ceejayvinoya:
Either he starts talking or someone needs to replace him ASAP. His 3 posts completely lack substance. His alignment is unreadable right now so I wouldn't say he’s either scummy or townish, but a policy lynch might be in order if he doesn’t straighten up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Agreed Chennis. Why did mafia choose such a bad PR? I think this is telling. We're not exactly dealing with geniuses here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

post 875 and 876 are kind of weird when coupled together. It's like Chennis is opening with the suggestion that scum is WIFOM'ing townie me. Then immediately in the next post he suggests that my comment is actually scum me trying to salvage a scum teams bad play?

Are you casually dropping the fact that you know i'm town but then you remembered that you're supposed to paint townies as looking like scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wait why is Chennis not using the hydra?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Come on guys! It's only day 1 and we're just 36 pages in with the discussion? Let's keep the conversation flowing ya lazy goobers!

[NorwegianboyEE]

@NaCL
When i made that post i thought Chennis was a different guy (I'm not kidding) from Platinum Phoenix so i was reiterating the point i made earlier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The way he's saying "maybe mafia is just dumb" can feel like he's lambasting himself for choosing Zombie in a way that seems contenty

>When you're lowkey roasting the entire mafia team by questioning their intelligence and someone thinks your actually trying to make yourself look stupid...
smh...

I assume Asgard is Norwegian. Otherwise I may not townread Asgard.

-Hop

I guess i'll assume that too? I don't know how i got a nickname out of nowhere, but i'm fine with it.

VOTE: Norwegian it kind of feels like he hopped on the wagon but is content to sit there.

So why does that reasoning make me more vote-worthy than the other people that changed their vote from Ben? I also don't see why changing your vote is scummy. Especially since i think Fake-PP seems legitimately more scummy than Ben. (Though i don't exactly feel strong townie vibes from him either.)

[NorwegianboyEE]

>When you're lowkey roasting the entire mafia team by questioning their intelligence and someone thinks your actually trying to make yourself look stupid...
smh...

I think Xin Eohp's idea was that you were trying to downplay your skill by saying that. Which maybe that's what you meant already?

Huh? Downplay my skill? What do you mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That’s not the only thing you can gather from what i said though. If i’m dissing the mafia team’s performance it could also be seen as me overstating my performance, since i don’t think i would have agreed with using a zombie as a Scum PR if i had any say in the scum PT.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well it could be a wise choice depending on the town PR’s. So maybe it’s actually super smart? I guess i won’t know until i can read what’s going through their head myself.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sooo there are a lot of people I can confidently say wouldn't be scum with Norwegian. This feels really deja vu ish to type down, did I already say this?

I don’t think you have from what i can see in your iso.
So feel free to elaborate.

[NorwegianboyEE]

SS has barely said anything and you scumread him already?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Asgard seems to continuously focus on the “why would scum pick a zombie” conversation topic, which I don’t really think is all that natural. Also I see posts related to this topic every time I check in but I’m not seeing how this is line of discussion is really developing any reads

So it’s less natural coming from me, but with Phanton Phoenix (Who has done almost the exact same thing) you don’t scumread as much?
Logical!

[NorwegianboyEE]

So I guess the argument is do you think he's masterminding the scum team or ignoring a scum plan?

That’s an intriguing thought. I suppose my belief is that i (theoretically) would more meekly follow along with whatever the veteran team members were doing. I doubt i would take full charge in a game of this scale. I would probably not ignore any strategies they proposed either.
Well it’s not like my rambling thoughts can prove much. Move along with the discussion peoples.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why did you make that rule anyway?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That game was a disaster, but not really due to the setup. Town just kinda checked out of the game completely.

Ohh, someone's proud of his work.
Can you send me a link to that game? I can't find it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@tris
Can you post your current reads? My impression is that you are like the most inconspicuous player here. Nothing sticks out of the ordinary. And i kinda wish it did.

[NorwegianboyEE]

has barely said anything and you scumread him already?

This is something I feel like newbies say a lot.

Shh. Don't use that word. Do you want Vorkuta to start hounding me again?!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vorkuta be like:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Instead, I'll ask you a question. Do you think Fake-PP is scum? And apart from that, who are your other scumreads?

Phoenix and Benhalkum both seem kinda sus.
Also i’m thinking Beta Sapphire and Hoptic needs closer examination.
There are also a couple people that seem to have been awarded a "strong townread" from many, even if the substance in their posts makes it seem a bit unwarranted. I’ll leave you to figure out who i’m talking about. I’d prefer it if you were thinking independently rather than having me explain everything. This is assuming you are on the town’s side.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it's weird how SS is refusing to place me too.
@Something_Smart Are you trying to make me look scummy on purpose?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Something_Smart Are you trying to make me look scummy on purpose?

No. How am I making you look scummy?

It could be seen as a "scum refusing to read his own teammate" sort of situation no?
Just try to read me like any other slot and don't worry about it. I don't mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Good points. I just wanted you to clarify, thanks for that. So you did mention you didn't want to force any reads right? Well what about the Phoenix wagon. Any thoughts on that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

There haven't been enough votecounts for me to really get a good idea of how wagons have been moving. Why does the wagon exist?

My view on it= Bandwagon on Ben accumulates due to him sounding kinda scummy in the start of the game before disappearing for a while. He then comes back and people switch their attention to Phoenix hydra due to them also sounding a bit suspicious.

So both of the wagons are in my view, not very warranted, my main reason for participating is to pressure whoever sounds the most suspicious at any given time. Just your average Day 1 groupthink...

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is even going on right now? Last vote count is like 5 pages back. Ugh, it's hard to follow this.

Can we get this to L-1 and lynch or move on pls?

I'm not a fan of the talking without voting stuff.

I kinda feel the same way as you do right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Aaand heres my Hydra rant. Idk I kind of place the blame on hydras that don't communicate and consolidate in their pt how they are approaching reads. It shouldn't be on individual players to discern multiple playstyles they may clash with naturally and multiple conflicting reads within 1 slot. It's not an interest of mine tbh. But hey.

That’s why we lynch the hydras first.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@NaCl
I don't mind lynching Fake-PP.
Was that the answer you wanted?
Anyway i see Vork and some people are switching their vote, but i'm not sure who else i'd switch to so i'm sticking with my hunch.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i wanted to edit it so it said "Was that the answer you were looking for" instead. But you can't edit any posts in this forum sadly. I find NaCl's probing a bit odd with him wanting me to deliberate with his non-questions. If i vote for someone then isn't it obvious that i wouldn't mind seeing the wagon through assuming the person in question can't redeem themselves?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Beta Sapphire
The Phoenix wagon never got to L-1. L-2 at most.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah, i have someone i'd be willing to vote and lynch. So suspicious lel.
Let's just do nothing and let scum take control of the game, cus that's how you win mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or well, not really convinced on your scumread, but you're not trying to get evidence.

All scumreads are pretty much based upon gut feelings at this point, it’s even harder for me since i can’t base it upon the meta. I don’t know anyone’s scumgame here. So the better question is: Are you really going to lambast me for what everyone else is doing on day 1?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Through my history of playing mafia games i’ve usually been good at figuring out who’s mafia, but less good at arguing my case. I’ve gotten lynched on day 1 many times even though my reads identified like 2 out of 3 scum. It’s hard to find evidence when you’re basing your reads mostly on people’s tone of voice and behaviour. Since those are emotional tells, and most mafia players want hard facts only. Which i don’t have at this point.
I will say that i think Beta Sapphire and Plat Phoenix both give me scummy vibes with their tone of voice and language.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Uhh, not sure what you’re getting at. This kind of reinforces my vote on you. From what i’ve seen your arguments are weird and you pick out arbitrary quotes of what i say like it’s evidence. Either you’re scum or you’re town that’s grasping at straws.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Look at 717 again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I disagree.
Also pretty much your only defense to your own wagon has been "seems like everyone scumreads me, that makes me innocent." Even though that’s not really the case.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who has?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Give me names.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thank you. That was very informative.
VOTE: Beta Sapphire

[NorwegianboyEE]

I believe in you more now. That was very constructive discussion. Thanks.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That was a tonal read btw. Your latest posts seem very sincere and i doubt they’d come from a scum mindset. Therefore i think you’re town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Platinum Phoenix

His back and forward with Nor was enough to make me feel ok with voting for him. At this point, I'm thinking both are scum and all of that was to try and get us to not be comfortable voting.

The wagon on Phoenix was already losing traction by the time i engaged him. Why would a theoretical scum me and scum Phoenix bother doing a "show" when there would no longer be any need for one?
Super bad logic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Beta Sapphire ... give

me scummy vibes with their tone of voice and language.

Which head? Or both?

I don't split apart hydras and read their ISO posts individually since that's such a pain. So both.

[NorwegianboyEE]

For those of you who believe my interaction with Phoenix was S+S then I've already said in post 1247 why i believe it's objectively unlikely so i won't touch on it. From my own perspective it would either have to be T+T or T+S. And i honestly think Phoenix is town since i don't believe scum would react in such a way to being pressured.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not sure what i'm supposed to respond to when Unstuck's main point is that the conversation doesn't feel "organic".
Seems like quite a stretch if you ask me.

It's likely to be SvS, but PlatPhoenix is town if this isn't.

This is really scummy. Why would me flipping town prove that Phoenix is town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not sure what i'm supposed to respond to when Unstuck's main point is that the conversation doesn't feel "organic".
Seems like quite a stretch if you ask me.

Explain what was going through your head and why you were thinking that way when you made the posts in question, I suppose.

Do you mean post 1285?
I tried analyzing mine and Phoenix's behavior objectively because i thought seeing the conversation as S+S was a really stupid conclusion to gather from the exchange. No offense to townies but wtf?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Billy Pilgrim, you should know my character by now from the games we play here. To use a Scandinavian term, i don't really have an "A4" persona.
The term A4 can be associated with a rather dull person who does "everything right". Follows all the social norms about how it is ideal to act as a mafia player.
So even if something i do seems "unnatural" to you, it's not alignment indicative. I'd really prefer it if people actually came up with a good reason to lynch me rather than this hot garbage.
That's my stand on this current flow of events lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We can’t just focus on one guy, need alternatives to spur discussion.
VOTE: Tris

[NorwegianboyEE]

Voting because Tris’s logic on post 1343 is bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Makes no sense to me. Why would Phoenix "expect the wagon to dissolve"? What makes you think that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Regarding the Phoenix wagon, it is just as likely that scum sees a wagon forming on a townie Phoenix and they are just kicking back and relaxing because they don't feel the need to do anything. And that's why there are no counter-wagons.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Take a chill pill both of you, holy crap guys.
Tris has 4 votes now btw. (S_S, Gamma, Norwee, Fake-PP)

[NorwegianboyEE]

No it's L-2

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i read the rules right then nobody get's lynched if the deadline is reached. So last chance to at least get a lynch ends in just a couple of minutes from now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

60 pages of discussion and no lynch lmao.
No lynch favors scum too. Gj guys.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh...
That's what you get for lazily looking up the page 1 deadline rather than the most recent update i suppose.
Hoptic just hammered right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hoptic just hammered right?

If Vork didn't miss any votes she was L-1 as of 1484 and L-2 now.

I missed the fact that you changed your vote to Vorkuta a short while after voting Tris.
So -1 what i wrote earlier.
It is indeed L-2 now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tris seems more scummy than RCE in my opinion.
Not sure why so many scumread RCE, his scumhunting attitude feels like a townie mindset to me. I also agree Beta Sapphire might be scum, but i'm also perfectly fine voting Tris so i might just keep my vote as is right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Here’s an idea. We kill all of the warring alpha’s, negative nancy’s, boring wallflowers and too-serious sam’s until all that’s left are the cool dudes like Hectic and PenguinPower.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like he's been very towny all game... almost

too

towny.
Has anyone else noticed how there haven't been many reasons to suspect him this game?
Well, I have, and this makes me very suspicious that he's a mafia who's just decided to do towny things this game to make everyone think he's town.

But actually he's mafia.

Absolutely bulletproof argument.
PP, you're next.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also wow- OG-PP getting 'run up' in the last 2 pages to set him up for D2 (or night action of sorts if any).
Convenient

Que?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not suspicious of PP lol. I think he's town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ugh, why did i vote Tris. Not a good night for the town.
The fact that both Ben and Beta Sapphire died confirms there must be a vigilante of sorts. Either a Sorceress or Witch Hunter.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Benhalkum voted for Tris. (Both are town. Benhalkum voted to lynch a townie)
Beta Sapphire voted for RCEnigma. (Only one of the two are confirmed town. Unknown what alignment RCE has)
Trying to analyze who the mafia would target of the two, i'm pretty sure it's unlikely to be Benhalkum, he was scumread by many people and might very well have become a day 2 mislynch. So i think it's more likely the mafia targeted Beta Sapphire to either relieve pressure on RCEnigma or make him seem more suspicious. RCE did claim he thought Beta Sapphire seemed suspicious, (as well as me, so this makes me look more suspicious now) so maybe the mafia is trying to encourage us voting RCE? Though RCE could indeed be scum as well.
I'll have to analyze some more ISO's before i decide my next vote, since I've received a clear message from these results that my day 1 reads sucked.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: NaCl

We should hammer this without getting a claim

Why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh yeah, NaCL wanted to vote benhalkum didn’t he? And then he quickhammered a townie PR.

VOTE: NaCL

[NorwegianboyEE]

idk speculate on this if you want, but a beta kill means RCE is likely scum.

Either that or it's what the mafia wants us to think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

idk speculate on this if you want, but a beta kill means RCE is likely scum.

Either that or it's what the mafia wants us to think.

if you're town, why the hell are you openly WIFOMing?


TL

I'm just speculating. Didn't you openly state on your own post which i responded to that we could "speculate on this"?
Why did my post trigger you so much?

[NorwegianboyEE]

UiT also seemed quick to blame me for saying what we were all thinking in post 1575 like that somehow equates me scum.
I might agree on voting UiT, i don't think i've ever felt particularly good about him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hectic V/LA? Ugh, now we're stuck with Hopkirk.

(Jk, no offense. I think you're cool too don't worry!)

[NorwegianboyEE]

If nobody’s got any other points to bring up i’m going to stay comfortable with voting NaCL.

[NorwegianboyEE]

or was it based on the fact that he quickhammered a or?

?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is your vote based on the fact that he quickhammered town, or was it based on the fact that he quickhammered a PR?

I don't think Tris gave much indication about having a PR, so that part isn't too relevant in incriminating any voters. But quick-hammering when there was still time left for discussion is. And i don't feel good about the slot in general since NaCL has mostly been scum reading townies for bad reasons. He strongly advocated lynching Benhalkum (a townie). And he also scum reads me because "my tone is off" like he puts it. He also targets Vorkuta, though i'm not too sure about that slot so i'll leave this alone for the benefit of the doubt, but point is that from my perspective NaCL is looking very anti-town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Vork
Does S_S really deserve that high of a town ranking? I've been thinking about this, and something about him has been bothering me. I feel like he has received this unanimous consensus about his towniness i'm not sure is all that deserving. When you think about it, his ISO mostly just shows him frequently posting random tidbits of information and simple questions that ultimately don't reveal much of anything. Not too mention the strong lack of any sort of analysis or hard conclusions. He seems like the sort of guy that's more concerned about his own image than actually solving the game. Ergo= kinda scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@norskie

I'll take that under advisement and get back to you in a bit
Would exactly the same logic apply to PP as well?

Yes it does actually. PP is another good example.

[NorwegianboyEE]

*pokes this game with a stick*

Weren't you supposed to "get back to me" about something in Post 1620?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m a bit confused about the criss-crossing scumreading here in day 2, so i’ve created this handy chart for myself. Here it is:

S_S

scumreads=

NaCL

VOTE:

UiT

scumreads=

Phoenix

VOTE: ,

RCE

, (Post 1598 “

Nacl

might just be town that is a viable lynch anyway...”)

Vorkuta

scumreads=

RCE

,

Hoptic

Phoenix

scumreads=

UiT

VOTE: ,

RCE

,

NaCL

Hoptic

scumreads=

RCE

VOTE:

NaCL

scumreads=

Norwee

,

RCE

,

Hoptic

RCEnigma

=

UiT

PenguinPower

=

Phoenix

Norwee

scumreads=

NaCL

VOTE: ,

UiT

Gamma Emerald

scumreads= Nobody

VOTE: = (Voted)

Nobody scumreads:

Gamma Emerald

,

Penguinpower

,

Something_Smart

,

Vorkuta

<This could also be interesting to look at.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@RCEnigma Do you think the mafia targeted Beta Sapphire to intentionally lock you in a WIFOM?

[NorwegianboyEE]

you forgot I scumread NaCl

-Hop

I analyzed every post from the beginning of day 2, so if you're referring to something you said on D1 it didn't factor into my equation. None of your D2 posts indicate suspicion towards NaCL. Though i know it now so thank you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm pretty sure Beta wasn't vigged. As i went over in post 1564.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not sure how i feel about BP going on about "policy lynch me plz". Part of me wants to believe he's a townie frustrated at the situation his hydra's put him in, but another part of me wonders if he's just scum trying to appeal to emotions.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A slot can be VLA for that long?
Hope you get better dude.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The fact that nobody but me and S_S has been mainly advocating for NaCL so far makes me wonder if NaCL is scum. Currently there is a lower percentage of townies compared to scum since Night 1 passed, so i'm thinking scum would be feeling more confident in pushing for mislynches. Like maybe what we're seeing with RCE and UiT? I feel like they might both just be a distraction, the former even more so than the latter. Therefore the fact that not so many people has jumped on NaCL's scummy behaviour in favour of trashing RCE and UiT makes me feel like NaCL is the safest bet to vote right now.
I don't think i'm going to switch my vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think I've glazed over most of the time when nacl posts. Run me through your scumread Norwegian.

Well some of it i've said already in posts here and there, but i guess i should put all of my thoughts into one post so it will become more coherent.
First of all, he's been wanting to lynch me for a long time based upon the "tone of my posts" but he hasn't elaborated further, so i don't know why he keeps trying to raise attention to me. In day 1 he really wanted to lynch me, but "compromised" on lynching Tris instead. I know this is not too interesting since there's no way for me to prove i'm a townie, but i can't leave behind the possibility that he is scum who found himself what he believes to be a "easy" target, and keeps trying to test the waters to see if the town is willing to mislynch me.
Then in post 1521 he strongly advocates lynching Benhalkum, but hammers Tris, so he found himself two suspects, both of which turned out to be town. I believe this might have been him attempting to set up a day 2 mislynch in the form of benhalkum once the Tris lynch went through, but his plan was thwarted when the vig killed Ben. (Which is what i assumed happened) NaCL

might

be the vigilante as well, but if he was i don't think he would be acting so hostile against his future vig kill and bringing unwanted attention upon himself by the mafia and their ability to nightkill. So if my theory is correct, then NaCL is one of the most anti-town people i've currently nailed down of the whole rooster. If he's scum then his lynch would give a lot of information as well, he's claimed he was "heavily against" the Fake-PP wagon of D1, so if he's scum= Fake-PP most likely scum as well. NaCL's votes have always seemed opportunistic to me, he will seem content with anyone's lynch except for Fake-PP's wagon for some reason. Preferring to spend his time being combative about why anyone "votes for that guy" like he wants to bring it up later if he knows their mislynch will give him ammo for setting up future mislynches and he can later go "aha! He voted for X, clearly scummy!"

To be honest, though, it feels like I'm a 'safe' place for people to park their votes on, given how it happened yesterday as well.

This gives me bad vibes.

As for RCE and UiT i feel like the attacks on RCE are kinda artificial, it's just a crappy WIFOM argument as well as some (You're not like THAT in the games i've played with you?! WHERE'S THE REAL RCE???!) which seemed to me like bad arguments even back in D1, so i don't find them too engaging here in in D2 either. UiT's wagon seems more natural, but i have this feeling that UiT is genuine. It seems like they want to help town, but the whole "hydra" thing is making them difficult for each other to communicate which makes it easy for anyone to point out inconsistencies between the two.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The wagon on Fake-PP grew too quickly for a town wagon compared to what I was seeing, and I think someone who got on early is scum, which is why I'm also suspicious of Hoptic.

I heavily defended Fake-PP at a point in time where the vote could have been pushed trough. If i was scum, and Phoenix town, there is no good reason why i wouldn’t have just sat in a dark corner and given zero shits about his lynch. If you’re the same and townread Phoenix, i don’t see why scumreading me for being an early vote is any longer relevant.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The wagon on Fake-PP grew too quickly for a town wagon compared to what I was seeing, and I think someone who got on early is scum, which is why I'm also suspicious of Hoptic.

I heavily defended Fake-PP at a point in time where the vote could have been pushed trough. If i was scum, and Phoenix town, there is no good reason why i wouldn’t have just sat in a dark corner and given zero shits about his lynch. If you’re the same and townread Phoenix, i don’t see why scumreading me for being an early vote is any longer relevant.

When did you heavily defend fakePP?

Through the argument which starts at 1215.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NaCL’s response to my case is quite telling. A townie NaCL might have reacted like BP has done, pointing out flaws in my logic and perhaps being forgiving and assuming It is just as likely that i could be a townie on a bad track, instead he has become hyper aggressive and claims there is no way i am anything but scum. NaCL’s behaviour just doesn’t feel natural.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who’s that? A troll?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Town seems quite dysfunctional right now. Does someone have a really good case on anybody so far?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you think Hoptic's town, Norwegian? For that matter, do you think PlatinumPhoenix is town?

I'm actually not so sure about Hoptic, i've been quietly suspicious of the Hoptic slot ever since Hectic created this "town-ship" thing back in day 1 (which included me).

Hop onboard the township everyone. I extend an invitation to Billy, Hopkirk, Unstuck, and Norwegian.

-Hectic

Townreads on Norwegian, Gamma, and Unstuck.

I wanted to believe in it's honesty, since the slot also scumread benhalkum and that looked like a really bad slot. But ever since the flips happened i've been paranoid and worried that he might be scum all along that picked out a couple of townies and scum together into a town-core so they can ride that boat straight to scum victory. I'm not sure i want to vote them, i'm just pointing out this irksome feeling of paranoia that flares up in me. So i don't want to say he is town, but i also want to believe him for now. If you get what i'm saying.

I still feel like Phoenix is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you think Phoenix is town, who do you think were the scum on the wagon? Or do you think they were all town?

Assuming town!phoneix= true, it doesn't seem likely that all votes on him would be town.

Platinum Phoenix (5) L-2~ PenguinPower, Hoptic, norwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, RCEnigma

Hoptic got on as the second vote, then eventually unvoted before Vorkuta's next vote count. Assuming Fake-PP is town, then that would be a bit suspicious. RCE could be suspicious as well.
Then again, this is all just speculation. Barring any flips we can't know for sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean, I agree that it could be suspicious. But I'm interested in knowing what you think is suspicious. Do you not have a stance on this?

Um, no?

From my experience it might be typical scum play to encourage a wagon on townies, then unvote as soon as it picks up so they can get some of that sweet towncred once the lynch seems inevitable. But this is based on off-site experience in a purgatory game where my scum team used this tactic to great success, but i don’t know how relevant this would be here. Since this place has quite a different site meta and i’m struggling a bit to find proper scumtells based on that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Idk. Bored i guess. x)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I suppose i could bite the bullet and attempt to join the wagon on universally scumread RCE, but the problem is that scum controls a fair bit of the town right now, so i’m worried that going for the "easy choice" might be the scum approved one and we’re getting mislead straight into another mislynch. Especially since i don’t see why exactly RCE has been scumread so far. Can someone give me a good reminder of why exactly lynching RCE is the best choice? What has he done which makes hum scummy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Looking at my suspicion list thing which i’m not linking to, because using the mobile on this site sucks, 5 people think RCE has been acting scummy, that’s the largest amount of scumread for one person so far. When i say "scum control the town" i mean there’s a larger percentage of scum compared to townies since 3 townies died after day 1 ended. I don’t know who, and that’s what frustrates me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wait, are you asking me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Day 1 i thought so, but now i’m not actually sure. Maybe Tris was a counterwagon to scum!Phoenix. We know that the wagon on Ben and Tris were both wagons against town, so i’m having a hunch the wagon on Phoenix might have been another town. Ugh. I just don’t know anymore. I feel like my reads are garbage and i don’t know who to trust. I think Vork is town do i might just go with whatever he suggests at this point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So do you think all three wagons were dictacted by scum? Who checks all three boxes there?

I’d guess it could be someone like Hoptic, PP or maybe S_S. But let’s trust them for now and see where this takes us.
VOTE: Platinum Phoenix

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gamma you should vote.
Exercise your right to free speech.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought a L-1 would re-energize the town. But apparently not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Interesting convo, i think i can cross S_S and Vorkuta as hypothetically being on the same scum team now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sry guys, i played badly. But it was very fun getting to know y’all.
Who was scum?
And yeah, i was vig and misfired twice. Wee~

[NorwegianboyEE]

So uhhh... mafia PT? Can we see it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Damn i really should have shot NaCL on N2. I was actually considering shooting both NaCL and Vorkuta on N1/N2. But i was big dumb. Sigh.
Thanks for posting those screenshots btw.