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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:28 am

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In post 597, YOUAREGREAT wrote:
In post 552, RC most awesomest wrote:@youaregreat

we have a pretty good amount of overlap in our coalitions. why should i townread you

-nsg
a better question would be: do you have any reason to think that i'm not town?
well—yes, actually. but, ignoring that for a second, from an epistemic point of view there's no reason by default to townread any one person. yes, the majority of the playerlist is town making it more probable than not that any person picked at random is town, but in mafia and particularly in the setup we're playing, i'm of the opinion that it makes far more sense to start by default with everyone at "null".

so, if the first and only thing you have to say in response to why i should townread you is "why wouldn't you townread me", that doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence in me. (i don't think it's actually a better question)

i mean, a coalition is ideally a strong townblock – would you want someone who you don't townread but just don't have any reasons to scumread?


as for the reasons to why i actually scumread you, i think the way that you entered with massive quotewalls of responses but then slowly transitioned to just saying "after doing some re-reading" to justify a relatively unexplaind , as well as the way that your posting in general has slowed down is probably scum indicative. i understand that you seem to be busy in real life and in no way am i holding that against you – rather, it seems to me that even with the time that you have to post in thread, the rate of your "scumhunting" has gone down, and it reminds me of scum losing motivation to continue faking a lot of thought.

to go a bit further in-depth and be a bit more specific when it comes to posts, i think that this question towards NC39 is probably disingenuous:
In post 340, YOUAREGREAT wrote:that's cause i just joined this game.

but that means i should be on your null-list.

why am i on your scum-list?
that's given your apparent opinion on clemency before you joined the game.
In post 311, YOUAREGREAT wrote:for the record, i replaced into this slot because i iso'd clemency's lines and thought he was extremely blatantly town

looking forward to living up to his reputation
after all, someone who just joined the game still had a predecessor, who nc39 might have had a read on previously.
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even indicated that you had a read on who you replaced, and yet not only do you seem to ignore the possibility that NC39 could have scumread you because of clemency, but you don't really seem to commit to the argument that clemency played towny. after just saying that you thought clemency was extremely blatant town, you then argued that you should be nullread because you had just joined. don't the two seem mutually exclusive to you?


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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:38 am

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anyways, if i'm not mistaken that's three people who share the coalition at the moment.

given LUV's previous reads he might be reticent to heal it. i think gamma will probably be willing to. that means we need one more person.

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one of the reasons i'm so reluctant to townread you is because of really suspicious reactions like the one you had to youaregreat not being included. if you really are town, are you going to delay (and possibly entirely derail) the coalition just because you feel a bit better on great than on NC39?

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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:44 am

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@nsg I trust Hectic to help make the coalition happen, so I'm counting him as a 4th vote to back this coalition.
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:46 am

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Given the low amount of time between us passing the coalition and needing to vote, we need to prepare votes for someone within the coalition.

The reason being if it succeeds, we win the game bcz we're all town. If it fails, at least 1 scum is in the group of 5.
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:48 am

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VOTE: Gamma

I'm happy with either Gamma or LUV in the event of a failed coalition.
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:02 am

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In post 627, EspressoPatronum wrote:@nsg I trust Hectic to help make the coalition happen, so I'm counting him as a 4th vote to back this coalition.
Nobody should ever be putting Hectic in their Coalition.
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:09 am

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In post 630, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 627, EspressoPatronum wrote:@nsg I trust Hectic to help make the coalition happen, so I'm counting him as a 4th vote to back this coalition.
Nobody should ever be putting Hectic in their Coalition.
That's fine. He already said he would do a coalition without him in it. That's what I meant by him being a 4th vote.
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:11 am

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@Alch we need to pass a coalition asap. I would like you to vote for the coalition even though you're not in it.
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:25 am

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I’m only doing this because of deadline pressure. Y’all better be right about Gamma.

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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:37 am

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In post 627, EspressoPatronum wrote:@nsg I trust Hectic to help make the coalition happen, so I'm counting him as a 4th vote to back this coalition.
Also you should not trust this. The rest of the votes should come from the members of the Coalition.

The way it’s going, if this is a winning Coalition then the scumteam has to be Hectic/Great and you should not be trusting either to vote it in.
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:31 am

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what do you want me to vote? i'll catch up in a bit but i can vote a coalition through if you're worried about inactives not coming online in time
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:45 am

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The currently proposed names are RC, NC 39, LUV, Espresso, and Gamma.
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:51 am

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HURT: ALL
HEAL: RC, NC 39, LUV, Espresso, and Gamma
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:53 am

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And NOW we have a problem.

3 people outside of the Coalition voting for it is a red flag.

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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:03 am

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In post 638, Alchemist21 wrote:And NOW we have a problem.

3 people outside of the Coalition voting for it is a red flag.

HURT: Gamma

HEAL: Alchemist21
huh now this feels like an overreaction considering i said i'm just voting this temporarily in case people think i wouldn't come online in time to vote one through

better to try a coalition than none at all

Alchemist using this as reasoning for trying to slip himself in?

anyway got some time so catchup begins now
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:04 am

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Did we decide the coalition yet
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:05 am

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Looks like the answer is no
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:06 am

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In post 638, Alchemist21 wrote:And NOW we have a problem.

3 people outside of the Coalition voting for it is a red flag.

HURT: Gamma

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Who’s the 3rd?
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:07 am

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In post 640, Gamma Emerald wrote:Did we decide the coalition yet
In post 641, Gamma Emerald wrote:Looks like the answer is no
In post 636, Alchemist21 wrote:The currently proposed names are RC, NC 39, LUV, Espresso, and Gamma.
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:07 am

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In post 528, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 508, Spangled wrote:
In post 505, Hectic wrote:@Spangled: my 'case' on Alchemist was me trying to find how everything he was saying could be perceived as scummy. i did say specify that before i think and i'm not really convinced on him at all
Hectic, if I see this (below), what else am I supposed to think than that it’s a kind ‘relevatory scumread’?
In post 473, Hectic wrote: - snipped case on Alch -
that's all, think i've convinced myself a little with that actually lol
Want to speak up on this, Spangled's like, summary of what happened last page made realize Hectic's actions were pretty bad. I agree it probably makes Hectic and Alchemist TvS, don't think scum would do that to a partner, but I haven't thought that over too much.
why are my actions bad?
the aim of my case on Alchemist was to actively TRY and twist everything he said as scum-motivated, so of course some of the points are weak. i'm pretty sure i clarified this at the time of making that post. this reasoning seems weak considering you acknowledged my saying that in a previous post with that rolling emoji, ya know? (after Alchemist similarly over reacted to it)

and yes, i did convince myself slightly with my case on Alchemist, some of the points i actually believe, off the top of my head, the one where he asked me a question about "seemingly forgetting" to vote for people, and his reads lacking explanations all game
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:09 am

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In post 629, EspressoPatronum wrote:VOTE: Gamma

I'm happy with either Gamma or LUV in the event of a failed coalition.
In post 634, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 627, EspressoPatronum wrote:@nsg I trust Hectic to help make the coalition happen, so I'm counting him as a 4th vote to back this coalition.
Also you should not trust this. The rest of the votes should come from the members of the Coalition.

The way it’s going, if this is a winning Coalition then the scumteam has to be Hectic/Great and you should not be trusting either to vote it in.
@Espresso, I don’t understand your thinking here, who we should obviously vote for is who is most likely to be scum, and that should be someone we obviously didn’t find townie enough to be in the coalition in the first place. Because even if coalition were to fail, there’s still 2 scum in this game and odds are both are not in this coalition, so

VOTE: GREAT

If coalition doesn’t pass, then we vote inside the coalition but today we vote who in this game is most likely to be scum and I don’t think it’s Hectic.
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:09 am

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In post 588, RC most awesomest wrote:RC was scumreading nancy earlier in the game and didn't want to bring it up. now that he's mia and the day is nearly over it's probably not really important to keep that top secret anymore.

both of us i would say have really good handles on reading nancy. i haven't really put in any effort to read nancy this game, i put a not insignificant amount of weight into rc's read there and i would rather err on what i believe to be the side of caution.

-nsg
What is your opinion on Nancy? You say you both have a good handle on her but you don't seem to have a read yourself.
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:13 am

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In post 616, Spangled wrote:Is there a reason we’re all ignoring lynching?
1) if we win by coalition no lynching needed
2) lynching before making a coalition nulls that part of the setup
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:13 am

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liking NC's questioning of Great here and i agree with a lot that they're saying
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:16 am

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In post 569, NC 39 wrote:I’m not sr Hecking but it doesn’t look like my coalition will pass. Especially with nsg now not including him, so

HURT: Hecking

Sorry man.

HEAL: Alchemist
lul stop calling me hecking

would like to hear some explanation from nsg for why i'm still null or scum, though maybe i'll see some in the next few pages

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