Normal 222: Black Versus White Mafia (Endgame)

[Rick Dalton]

Hello.

I’m Rick Dalton.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m informed. Scum has a ninja.

[Rick Dalton]

Oh, my bad. Thought game had started because we could post.

[Rick Dalton]

I setup spec there’s a ninja

[Rick Dalton]

I reckon it’s about that time I come in, riding my trustee steed.

This is scum. Lock’er up. Ill pay up a nice $8,000 bounty that’s on ‘er head.

VOTE: DGB

My eagle eye is never wrong.

[Rick Dalton]

Saudade, sheep me, friend.

[Rick Dalton]

Follow along for the memes.

[Rick Dalton]

I imagine this RVS business is over. I’m afraid the sheriff died, more like killed, and now this is my town. I shall save these here patrons of this lovely haberdashery, and did you of these scoundrels.

[Rick Dalton]

Intent to hammer

[Rick Dalton]

Oh, Mumble the bumble wumble decided to sheep me. That’s fun.

I lowkey think this might be an RVS wagon on scum, though.

[Rick Dalton]

Saudade is actual scum.

Sometimes we just get lucky at the RVS and strike the scumteam at its very core.

VOTE: Saudade

Maybe not

[Rick Dalton]

Lapsa, why am I town? I like it, don’t get me wrong

[Rick Dalton]

The name Cliff Booth has been taken, but I can’t message them, so I guess that means they haven’t activated the account.

[Rick Dalton]

What makes you think I’m an alt?

[Rick Dalton]

I’m Rick Dalton, everyone’s favorite tv cowboy baddie

[Rick Dalton]

What makes you think I’m an alt?

You aren't a new player so what's the alternative?

oh *woosh*

I’m Rick fucking Dalton.

What makes you think I’m not a

newb

New player?

[Rick Dalton]

You may be one smart cookie, too smart this ol tv cowboy

[Rick Dalton]

Arc field feels like the DGB counterwagon.

Probably a mislynch.

Papa Vorkuta, why did you go there

[Rick Dalton]

Lol, I’m getting cold feet here too

[Rick Dalton]

idk man it;s hard for me to get into this one. It seems like most of you know each other and are playing off of meta and such. I feel really uninformed and uninspired

Why do you feel like I don’t know you?

Mistake on your part.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m barely a gimmick

[Rick Dalton]

You forgot the cowboy

[Rick Dalton]

You forgot the

tv

cowboy

[Rick Dalton]

Everyone thinks I’m an alt

[Rick Dalton]

Did DGB site flake?

[Rick Dalton]

Is that from slay the spire

[Rick Dalton]

Howdy

[Rick Dalton]

First thought, I thought Croat was claiming a guilty on Arc, but I think that was his intention, but I don’t think he has one

[Rick Dalton]

Anyone else getting rolefishy vibes from Rick Dalton's last post?

I am

[Rick Dalton]

I don’t think Ethos calling out the Role fishing is scummy, but it is something scum would do for town cred.

And it’s not role fishing if Croag was faking it hard.

I specifically called it out because I was gonna Sheep before I realized it wasn’t a guilty

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: Arc

Might have had a few drinks in me, but don’t see anything else happening

[Rick Dalton]

Bum bum bee dum dum dum di dum dum

[Rick Dalton]

Clemency can be town leader

[Rick Dalton]

I have been outed in a completed game, btw.

[Rick Dalton]

I have been outed in a completed game, btw.

Fuck. Nevermind, it’s not. Carry on. My bad. Oops.

[Rick Dalton]

UNVOTE: Clemency

That doesn’t scream of scum trying to get him lynched before he can do anything...

[Rick Dalton]

I’m down to clown with the mass claim

[Rick Dalton]

I’m still informed, but I’m also an ungated tracker, which is dumb because there’s ninjas, so I’m uninspired.

[Rick Dalton]

I buy it

Purchases

I tried it

[Rick Dalton]

I buy it

Purchases

I tried it

Before you buyed it?

To see if i liked it

[Rick Dalton]

darth is also in that pool of people on both big d1 wagons

rick, do you have a read on him yet? i've still yet to figure out how to read him :c

Nah, I’ve been so inactive in this game. I just had a game finish up, where I was in 3p lylo as town, so I believe this is the only game I have right now on this account.

I’m outed, btw, so do with that what you will

[Rick Dalton]

Idk. Let’s lynch the rooster

[Rick Dalton]

Why not the rooster

[Rick Dalton]

Oops. Alt slip.

[Rick Dalton]

I should make an account called Dick Ralton.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m not unreliable, my role’s just kinda annoying because tracker with ninjas.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m just so out of this game right now. Sorry.

Eventually something will kick me into gear.

[Rick Dalton]

I don’t really care for an ethos lynch, but I’m not here enough to be able to accurately give strong reads.

How much time we got left?

[Rick Dalton]

I think you’re pretty townie, and i feel like most people should feel the same, so idk what WIFOM would be there

[Rick Dalton]

I haven't heard anyone counter my earlier case

Yes, you did provide a case that may or may not meet my liking, but a case none-the-less. Mumble though is just mumbling without providing a case of his on, which is why I am asking him to provide one.

Nice alt slip

Oops. I mixed games up hard

[Rick Dalton]

@Pisskop - 13 players alive, 7 to kill, I believe

[Rick Dalton]

Yeah, Ethos was a bad kill.

I want Roster. The only reason I didn’t push Roster before was because I thought Chemist was crumbing that they were masons.

[Rick Dalton]

I tracked Vault to Ethos. He’s telling the truth.

[Rick Dalton]

Lil Uzi Vert, Croag, Lapsa, Mumble, rosterfoster, Vorkuta, Darth Baker,

Probably have all the scum in them.

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: Vaultdweller

This needed lynching a long time ago.

VOTE: VaultDweller

I want one of these today.

[Rick Dalton]

Lil Uzi Vert, Croag, Lapsa, Mumble, rosterfoster, Vorkuta, Darth Baker,

Probably have all the scum in them.

Lapsa slot here

I'm very interested to know why you're scum reading this slot. Let's talk.

Never said I was scum reading those 8. Just that scum were in there. Just means I don’t have many town reads. The town reads I do have I feel I’m pretty confident in.

[Rick Dalton]

Most of those slots are null for me

[Rick Dalton]

@Rick Dalton - could you tell me a bit more about your claim, since you've already claimed. What do you mean by ungated? Please humor me. I'm going somewhere with this.

It means I’m pretending like I can act every night the entirety of the game.

[Rick Dalton]

That’s a weak reasoning. Lapsa slot could easily just have been scum who received a PR result that was meant to go for a townie.

I get the reasoning, but I think it’s a slippery slope to confirm Lapsa slot based on that.

[Rick Dalton]

wtf papa dalton doesnt TR me even though I'm doing such a good job

I mean what's par for 17 player larges- 3~5? out of 7?
Being put on that list is effectively a scum read from you, don't try and BS your way around the wording

Not at all. There are many players on that list, you included, that I have zero interest in lynching tbh. I’d probably even defend some of those players.

I put anything that is lean town and under on that list. And it seems to be doing good work with the reactions it’s eliciting.

[Rick Dalton]

Only people that weren’t on it were A50, Creature, and Jonny sno, and I believe that’s fair. I believe I am correct in saying they are all town, as I believe they are 3 players I can read really well, if I’m correct on Jonny’s ID.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m FL, Chickadee. Does that help?

I believe I’ve been super clear. I specifically stated who I wanted lynched.

[Rick Dalton]

I didn’t this time for the first time. but it’s a fair fear.

[Rick Dalton]

It does help a little. But I think I still wanna go where I wanna go. Gonna give this some time though.

Have you gotten any results from tracking? Sorry if you went over this already.

Not other than the one I stated on VD.

[Rick Dalton]

You kinda broke a bit at the end there, didn’t you?

[Rick Dalton]

They have Ninja’s dude. There’s probably more trackers even.

[Rick Dalton]

And Chickadee has crap reasoning with the “now that they know my main” case.

I get that literally every game of my life

[Rick Dalton]

If I was the one pushing there can’t be 2 trackers, people would be going “oh yeah, why not...you’re FL, you probably magically changed the setup with your sexy charisma, and handsome smirk, and humorous cheek in tongue nonchalant attitude because you’re super cool. I mean it.”

At least, that’s what I imagine people say

[Rick Dalton]

Chickadee’s probably scum trying to get VD and I on the lynch pool.

Probably means I’m on the right track.

[Rick Dalton]

I wouldn’t put it past Chickadee being a scum attacker either.

Or hell, scumJOAT to parallel Chemist’s role.

[Rick Dalton]

Scum *tracker

[Rick Dalton]

I see through the lies of the players. I do not fear the dark side as you do. I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new empire.
VOTE: Vaultdweller
I fear General Leaf may have rolled scum again.

This is potentially the start of the turn, either that or scum saw this and decided to act.

[Rick Dalton]

Scum have to attack VD or myself today or this game gets drastically more difficult for them.

Day 3’s kinda my jam.

[Rick Dalton]

So I can confirm Clem did nothing N1. It's no hard innocences or anything, but something to consider.

This is actually closer to a guilty than an innocent.

Scum have Ninja, so tracking is pointless to catch a scum. It’s use this game is to play with night actions with the Joats.

[Rick Dalton]

papa dalton hasn't backtracked or modified his claim a single time which is extremely unlikely of him IMHO

I'm fine with all you 3 existing in peace and being town together tbh

I didn’t do that in Musicals with you.

[Rick Dalton]

It’s just as well.

I was lying anyways.

[Rick Dalton]

Still town

[Rick Dalton]

papa dalton hasn't backtracked or modified his claim a single time which is extremely unlikely of him IMHO

I'm fine with all you 3 existing in peace and being town together tbh

I didn’t do that in Musicals with you.

I meant to say Ramblings here, not Musicals.

I definitely fake claimed in Musicals.

[Rick Dalton]

I wouldn’t be surprised if ScumVD decided to turn it on me when scum found out I was gambiting.

[Rick Dalton]

And Vorkuta wanting to keep him alive probably means he's his partner

Mislynch setup.

And a Chickadee pocket after Chickadee claimed tracker.

[Rick Dalton]

They have Ninja’s dude.

This part is true

[Rick Dalton]

@Rick Dalton - could you tell me a bit more about your claim, since you've already claimed. What do you mean by ungated? Please humor me. I'm going somewhere with this.

It means I’m pretending like I can act every night the entirety of the game.

[Rick Dalton]

I tracked Vault to Ethos. He’s telling the truth.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! I also happen to be ascetic. There is no way you could have tracked me

VOTE: Rick Dalton

@Vorkuta - Everything Is Completely Normal or town? My precarious situation here will have me biased.

[Rick Dalton]

This is hilarious

[Rick Dalton]

I already claimed I wasn’t pretending prior to VD’s Ascetic claim. I was specifically testing what VD would do.

[Rick Dalton]

I already claimed I wasn’t pretending prior to VD’s Ascetic claim. I was specifically testing what VD would do.

I *was pretending.

[Rick Dalton]

@Rick Dalton - could you tell me a bit more about your claim, since you've already claimed. What do you mean by ungated? Please humor me. I'm going somewhere with this.

It means I’m pretending like I can act every night the entirety of the game.

[Rick Dalton]

Also, scum me NEVER backs down from that.

There’s zero reason for me not to challenge him on that front if I were scum.
Like, I’m good in those situations. I claimed I was lying because I was lying and the gig was up.

I had already claimed I was faking it too prior to the Ascetic claim.

[Rick Dalton]

Ok. I believe VaultDweller's claim now.

VOTE: Rick Dalton

"I tracked Vig-JOAT"
"I'm ascetic Vig-JOAT"
"Oh, I'm lying"

This is a fake narrative.

[Rick Dalton]

No, you’re completely skipping a post I clearly made, that I quoted twice now.

[Rick Dalton]

Why, as scum, do I say I’m lying in that situation? There is absolutely no reason.

If VD is scum, they likely have someone who is familiar with me, or VD is scum Ascetic, or VD just didn’t target Ethos.

If VD is town, then scum are going to split onto VD/myself, I’ll probably go first, which sets up a mislynch chain on VD.

[Rick Dalton]

Mumble, get outta here. That’s clearly in response to Chickadee talking about me, and that’s how I claim literally everything.

The tracker claim in general was a test, which is why I never mentioned anything Night 1. I was just fucking around and didn’t expect people to take the tracker claim serious in the first place, but everyone took it point blank.

That’s how you know I’m town. Scum just accepted my claim, or if they didn’t they got wifom’d from it in their thread and worried around, but didn’t wanna make the play, unless Chickadee/VD have scum in them

[Rick Dalton]

Why do you lie as town to begin with?

To catch potential scum in players like VD/Chickadee.

I have a rather strong success ratio at solving games.

[Rick Dalton]

As scum, you lie in that situation so that you can say "Why, as scum, do I say I'm lying in that situation? There is absolutely no reason."

Why don’t I just take the fight to both VD/Chickadee...?

I just go and hard accept VD’s claim that happened right after Chickadee? I didn’t even vote Chickadee, even though she claimed the role I had claimed.

[Rick Dalton]

I only vote early when I’m scum. Where should I vote?

[Rick Dalton]

I’ve been saying all day that the two people I wanted were you and Roster, and you coming at me and taking the stance you have doesn’t change any of my thoughts towards you.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m in a situation where I wanna vote Mumble, but i’ll likely get mislynched in that scenario because he’d Have scum advantage.

[Rick Dalton]

I'm not asking why you aren't voting. Why don't you have a vote? You don't show up at all.

VC 3.01

-

Vaultdweller

-: rosterfoster, mumble, Darth Baker, Lil Uzi Vert

Rick Dalton

-: Chickadee, Vaultdweller

vorkuta

-: Almost50

Not voting

-: johhny sno, Croag, Creature, vorkuta, Clemency
-

Lynch Info

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

Day 3 ends on 01/09/2019 ((expired on 2019-09-17 10:00:00)).

Oh, I got tree stumped then.

[Rick Dalton]

Pretty sure it’s mod error. It’s a normal game.

[Rick Dalton]

I don’t think I’ve nearly controlled the game enough for people to see me as legit scum, tbh

[Rick Dalton]

Someone’s just trying to push a mislynch on me

[Rick Dalton]

I like it when you call me senorita

[Rick Dalton]

Vorkie, you’re giving me such paranoia right now

[Rick Dalton]

Imma just climb into Vorkuta’s pocket, but I’m very aware Vorkuta’s probably scum getting a strong pocket on me

[Rick Dalton]

So...my theory is VD knew I didn’t track them to Ethos, so they said the Ascetic claim to try and get a push on me, but got countered by Roster.

[Rick Dalton]

i think flavor has some pretty strong scum equity here by the way (i have like, kind of figured out how to read him lately?? in a similar way that i learned how to read a50??) ~

Nah, if you’re who I think you are, you’ve said this every single time, and guess what, you were WRONG every time.

I was about to push you for that, but then I realized I was always wrong with you too.

[Rick Dalton]

So I can confirm Clem did nothing N1. It's no hard innocences or anything, but something to consider.

wig

on page 43: that flavor claim retraction comes across as super panicky

That’s not how I panic. You can check Pokémon Fusion U Pick to see how I panic.

[Rick Dalton]

i think flavor has some pretty strong scum equity here by the way (i have like, kind of figured out how to read him lately?? in a similar way that i learned how to read a50??) ~

Nah, if you’re who I think you are, you’ve said this every single time, and guess what, you were WRONG every time.

I was about to push you for that, but then I realized I was always wrong with you too.

If he says it enough it's bound to be true.

And he's not the only one saying it this time.

Sure, but he’s somehow not been a part of games where I was scum this year at all

Although, I could be wrong on who he is, he is wrong on my alignment.

And you have that read for biased reasons because of the tracker as well

[Rick Dalton]

If the whole game is supposed to be about opposites, why would town have two of the same role?

No clue, assuming you are talking about the multiple joats.

[Rick Dalton]

Roster, when I’m scum, you hard town read me. Get off of me.

[Rick Dalton]

That’s extremely scum motivated by you, I think.

Come to think of it, you also let Chemist pull a mason gambit wit you, which is literally how I threw the game once as town, when I was in Chemist’s spot.

Anyone here was in the game I mason claimed to save Creature, then Creature killed me, and deep wolfed.

[Rick Dalton]

So I can confirm Clem did nothing N1. It's no hard innocences or anything, but something to consider.

wig

on page 43: that flavor claim retraction comes across as super panicky

That’s not how I panic. You can check Pokémon Fusion U Pick to see how I panic.

ya i saw your slip there; that rapid string of posts you made when VD claimed ascetic is *pretty* similar to the rapid string of posts there after your slip, imo

but i only skimmed it after the scummy nomination was posted

I disagree. Hard.

I wrote paragraphs and hard went to save myself there. Here I had already claimed that I was pretending, and was doing it cause a reaction to VD, which I was successful in doing.

The mere fact that there are 5+ people hinting at or pushing me is exactly why I’m Rick Fucking DalTown.

[Rick Dalton]

If you can point out any scum game of mine where 5+ people are hinting or pushing me as probable scum, then fine.

That’s the epitome of the majority of my town games.

[Rick Dalton]

If y’all wanna go, let’s go.

If you take me down, I’m catching the majority of y’all fucks before it.

[Rick Dalton]

Give me some time, Imma solve the game sometime this day phase.

[Rick Dalton]

@Chickadee - I fucked up by lying as town here. That’s on me. There’s no reason for me to do that as scum, it’s just the act that subliminally goes to your head as scummy because you don’t like it, but you not liking it doesn’t make me scum.

I think you are town based on the VD/Roster scenario, and Roster seemingly has dropped the Ascetic happenings. Roster has taken advantage of the entire situation, and he played his hand. You are probably my most confident town read right now after all this confusion, and I’m trying to make it up to you here, because I know it’s going to be hard for you to trust me now, but please see that I am town.

[Rick Dalton]

anyone know what the odds of two town 1-shot neighborizers are?

i was neighborized by someone N1 and was TRing them for it until chem flipped

About the same odds as 2 trackers.


If it was Roster or Mumble, they’re probably scum. If you keep quiet, you’re probably scum, and they’re probably town and they have 2 1-shot neighborizers.

[Rick Dalton]

Also, Jonny snow dead ass said that me posting a lot in succession is panicky when that’s literally just how I talk. I ALWAYS talk in multiple posts in a row.

[Rick Dalton]

Lil Uzi Vert, Croag, Mumble, rosterfoster, Darth Baker, Jonny Sno

Probably have all the scum in them.

Took out Vorkuta/Lapsa-Chick, added Jonny Sno, because apparently I was wrong on his ID, and now he actually has a lot of scum equity.

He’s simultaneously pushing every single possible wagon under the radar.

[Rick Dalton]

Not jumping into the reads list yet, because I'm cooking. But I will go ahead and finish my claim. Earlier I think I said Clem did nothin N1, but I rechecked, and it was N2.

My total results thus far are: Saudade N1 and Clem N2, both went nowhere on the night they were tracked. Do with this information what you will.

Hmm.

Do we think that mafia made a ninja kill one of those nights, because that sets both of them up to be a potential ninja, if we think they’re scum.

[Rick Dalton]

no one else gonna talk about how chicka's slot townread rick despite that fact that they were apparently a counterclaim to rick ??

Lapsa’s my boo thang.

This is a grasping at straws push.

[Rick Dalton]

You’re trying to make fetch happen

[Rick Dalton]

hnnnhnnhnn okay

your recent posting reminds me of your town game

there's just like one town tell i see you drop as town *a lot* that i haven't seen dropped yet and it's bugging me

And now you’re backing off because I’ve been casing you out

[Rick Dalton]

hnnnhnnhnn okay

your recent posting reminds me of your town game

there's just like one town tell i see you drop as town *a lot* that i haven't seen dropped yet and it's bugging me

I correctly ID’d you after this post.

[Rick Dalton]

i'm skygazer. look at how i arrived at my read on you in the open game we just finished. look at your play here compared to how i townread you there

you're not dropping that big towntell (genuine moments of confusion) at all

there's certain posturing you're doing (when you thought i was someone else and shouldn't have that read on you) that reminds me of that game tho (primarily when you said "if you really had an ID you'd be sheeping me) so like idk

I believe I’ve gone after 5 separate people this game, and I went mia after the game got sticky. I don’t go mia as a prime suspect in that scenario as scum. I came back with a fresh perspective.

[Rick Dalton]

my dude

do you know how easy it would be to push a mislynch on you through if i was scum and you were town? i wouldn't need to back off here as scum :<

I disagree that It’d be easy. The moment you make a wrong move sets me off to go deep, and things start clicking.

I don’t know anything right now, and you’re acting like I have everything solved. I have an accurate Poe, but i don’t know where in that is right/wrong.

[Rick Dalton]

i'm skygazer. look at how i arrived at my read on you in the open game we just finished. look at your play here compared to how i townread you there

you're not dropping that big towntell (genuine moments of confusion) at all

there's certain posturing you're doing (when you thought i was someone else and shouldn't have that read on you) that reminds me of that game tho (primarily when you said "if you really had an ID you'd be sheeping me) so like idk

Also, that game had a damn tailor in it, and I was on every single scum lynch, and was a big part of every single on of them, including the SK. I was only on one mislynch there. And it was yours.

[Rick Dalton]

Everyone’s been saying that the confusion is a big town tell for me, but years back, that was my strongest scum move was my ability to fake genuine seeming confusion.

I remember antihero saying in a dead thread “Boonskiies is town because if he is scum, that is the best fake confusion I’ve ever seen”

I’ll try to find that

[Rick Dalton]

Issue with stuff like that, is once i do it again as scum, it’s over.

[Rick Dalton]

I’m definitely not confident about not getting mislynched right now

[Rick Dalton]

@Chickadee - I fucked up by lying as town here. That’s on me. There’s no reason for me to do that as scum, it’s just the act that subliminally goes to your head as scummy because you don’t like it, but you not liking it doesn’t make me scum.

I think you are town based on the VD/Roster scenario, and Roster seemingly has dropped the Ascetic happenings. Roster has taken advantage of the entire situation, and he played his hand. You are probably my most confident town read right now after all this confusion, and I’m trying to make it up to you here, because I know it’s going to be hard for you to trust me now, but please see that I am town.

What did you think of this? Think I’m tryna pocket chick?

[Rick Dalton]

Which checks out if I didn’t know you were Skygazer and you’ve literally witnessed something even more extreme happy in ramblings, so that makes sense.

[Rick Dalton]

No more lies. Thank you, the chance is all I need.

I don’t like the comment of Roster playing with the idea of being okay with VD being an Ascetic SK. I generally think it’s stronger to go for the SK first because sure we have a chance of getting scum killed that way, but we lose double town if not, and that really starts to add up fast, and creates anti association possibility

[Rick Dalton]

I hate leashing SK idea. It’s kinda pointless. They aren’t town, they’re gonna do what they want anyways. If they caught out already, then they really have no purpose.

[Rick Dalton]

Easily coastable as SK. Sk’s dont shoot every night anyways.

And there’s always the odd night Vig possibility

[Rick Dalton]

Fair, but he’s gonna shoot me no matter what, and I don’t wanna die.

[Rick Dalton]

Rick, tell me why you're not scum WITHOUT referencing other games. Because your whole defense is basically "This isn't my scum meta". So you are saying that you're a good enough player to know what your scum meta is, but not a good enough player to manipulate it. I don't buy it.

What do you want me to say? I’m not scum because I’m town. Just because you think i have scummy play, doesn’t make my role pm miraculously change.

There’s no real reason besides that. Sure, there’s the case on me, i get it. It’s understandable. But I’m not scum

[Rick Dalton]

I wasn’t lying, i just claimed a role that wasn’t mine.

Scum is on me.

[Rick Dalton]

@VD - if you’re town, help me out here, please. See that I’m not scum, i just made some questionable plays. But like, I’m the town gambit player here.

[Rick Dalton]

Scum is taking advantage of my wagon.

Roster, fonz, Baker have at least 1 scum in them. If VD’s town, there’s probably 2 on me right now.

[Rick Dalton]

Also Lynch All Liars is such a surface level play

[Rick Dalton]

What up. About to go to work. I've read about a third of the game so far, I'll comment in earnest tonight.

VOTE: Rick Dalton

Guys, lynch all liars. Seriously.

This progression looks incredibly scum motivated and easy to hide behind and take a strong stance.

His 2007 join date proves this is a scum motivated push.

[Rick Dalton]

VOTE: Rick Dalton

Guys, lynch all liars. Seriously.

I see through the lies of the Jedi. I do not fear the dark side as you do. I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new empire. VOTE: Father Dalton

And this is a scum motivated sheep to help Fonz gain traction.

[Rick Dalton]

Also, Creature’s inactivity is a scum tell.

[Rick Dalton]

I forgot Creature was in this game or I’d have brought that up already.

[Rick Dalton]

Honestly, down.

Lynch Fonz then LUV.

VOTE: Fonz

I expected to get torn to shreds with that push.

[Rick Dalton]

Yeah, i don’t like the speed of that, but scum could easily have thought i was gonna hard push so they got scared and bussed. Idk where that would be right now, though. I have a meeting for work with some big wigs rn.

[Rick Dalton]

LAL mindset is just gonna make it easy for me to sweep you when I’m actually scum.

[Rick Dalton]

I didn’t fake claim tracker. I true claimed it, it just wasn’t real.

Like ScarJo in Civil War says, there’s a difference.

[Rick Dalton]

@Fonz: That's literally how Rick Dalton play as either alignment.

UNVOTE:

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though, but trust me when I say it a thing on MS to never believe a claim from Flavor Leaf (Risk Dalton's main) or Bambi Jay/Elsa Jay (another player who uses 2 famous alts) and never "trust" A50's claims on D1.

A50, if you’re scum, this is the scummiest post you’ve made this game. Scratch that, this is the scummiest post you’ve made all game. I still think you’re probably town.

You back tracked because Fonz says that’s literally his meta. Why is that AI at all then?

That just makes it so it’s the perfect push tbh. This actually could be A50/Fonz scum pairing if I go deeper, but I don’t really know. I don’t really have a strong clue where scum is right now.

[Rick Dalton]

Rick, I find your posts to be all over the place. The only thing that could be true is that there is at least one Ninja in this game. Everything else just confuses me, almost like an enigma.

That’s how you can tell I’m town.

Ask A50 how consistent I am as scum. I’m a cunning sociopath.

[Rick Dalton]

Thoughts on the PMysterious slot?

That would be twice that the slots been replaced now.

[Rick Dalton]

You just read me based off of social aspects because that’s the type of player I am.

And VD was supposed to treat my claim as serious.

It was a serious claim, it just wasn’t real. I’ve proven success from my 5 and a half years on site, and the more erratic I play the usually the better the end game solve by me is.

I have a plethora of strong town games by me, and that’s why there’s leeway. You’re twisting words to fit your “i always lynch all liars” mindset, which is exactly what you said about me. That gives you leeway as scum because it jus takes let’s you push town players who have erratic play. Your era doesn’t comprehend the complexity of the sociological philosophy behind the playstyle such as mine, which is rather unique, but I’ve honed my skills for many years now, and even groups that have no idea who I am can see that I’m legit and have the stock.

I’ve had people say “terrible play” for years, and yet those are the exact players that I have proven incorrectly through my strong hyper carry town game and steamrolled with my maniacal scum games. To be honest, i feel like my playstyle was specifically formed to counter players of the old age, as I am from an inbetween era where I’m still mechanical and by the book, but I’m also a pillar in the New Age.

[Rick Dalton]

I also put high stress that I do not rely on straight up mechanical and technical play. This is a deduction game; it’s not as this thread name suggests, black and white. There are colors in between. There are blues, there are greens like me, and reds like you, purples.

You’re scum hiding behind your true “lynch all liars” meta.

[Rick Dalton]

Isn’t that his M.O. though?

If LUV is talking about Fonz, and Fonz flips scum, lynch this immediately.

[Rick Dalton]

And for every player that says “terrible play” towards me, there’s at least 2 others who see exactly what I bring to the table.

[Rick Dalton]

Oops

[Rick Dalton]

Fonz is just scum, A50

[Rick Dalton]

Nope. Don’t lie. All serious claims. They just aren’t real.

[Rick Dalton]

This is a deduction game.

[Rick Dalton]

Players changing their reads constantly - a50, Rick Dalton, Vorkuta

Yes! I'm in the big leagues!

*ahem*
Your point being?
Is it even possible to read lurkers w/o meta?

That’s called being town and unsure of where exactly scum is, and not surface level enough to think they’re gonna be able to get it exactly right at this moment in time

[Rick Dalton]

Like,

Let me be perfectly clear...

Fonz’s case is technically “correct”, but the conclusion itself is wrong, and he’s pushing an agenda of “this is all bad play” rather than “this is all scum play”, which is kind of him getting caught out on perspective.

I’m not entirely confident that he flips scum, to be honest, but the way he’s been pushing seems like the epitome of scum upset that they’re getting wagon’d for putting together an accurate mislynch case on town, if that makes sense.

I say we just lynch Fonz. There’s probably scum on the wagon no matter what he flips, tbh. If he flips scum, i think there’s some good association tells.

[Rick Dalton]

I also don’t rely on lying as a defense. I do the exact opposite; I rely on it as an offense.

[Rick Dalton]

I do think there's a good wagon analysis if he flips town. It was kind of alarming how quickly the wagon built. But I also get the feel that people are excited about something happening in the game, and just want blood at this point.

But I do think it's a good lynch.

I think scum just bussed because they thought he was going down and now they’re just waiting to see if it passes.

Let’s just kill him. He’s gonna be stuck on nothing but the LAL mentality anyways.

[Rick Dalton]

Seeking Replacement for johhny sno

This is probably scum too.

[Rick Dalton]

First of all, if I were scum, how is that cocky?

If I were scum, like you’re pushing, you wouldn’t be pushing that as brazenness.

You say I’m a cocky scumbag who “thinks” he can play in a way to draw out 2 investigatives. Wouldn’t that be good scum play to do that, and you’re pushing it like that would be a bad thing, and if you were town, from your perspective, the word “Thinks” shouldn’t have been there if you actually thought I was scum. The word “thinks” being there proves that you are out pushing a mislynch with a case that fits your narrative of lynch all liars on a “cocky scumbag who shrugs things off”.

I shrug it off because I am town, and it doesn’t do town any good to hang up on the fact. At this point, we should just mass claim, considering there’s already...3 PR’s outed, I believe? Maybe 4.

[Rick Dalton]

Will I though?

[Rick Dalton]

VD claimed to shoot Ethos

[Rick Dalton]

How’s it bad town play? I think it’s doing rather well, creating a lot of discussion. It had potential to be bad, but that’s why I knew Ihad to completely drop everything and let it not spiral for town.

Literally nothing bad’s come out of it, besides Chickadee’s outing.

[Rick Dalton]

Hmm, what happened to Roster vanilla copping and getting a result on VD claim, though? I forgot why that fizzled lht

[Rick Dalton]

Honestly, down.

Lynch Fonz then LUV.

VOTE: Fonz

I expected to get torn to shreds with that push.

Why? I think you’re more than capable of holding your own against most players. Certainly one who the majority of the newer player base is unfamiliar with. I can’t help but feel this sentiment is overblown.

Nah everyone’s been tearing me to pieces in games lately. Like, yeah, i can hold my own against being torn to shreds, that ain’t no thing, but still

[Rick Dalton]

Just saying, Fonz/Baker is likely a scum pairing, probably with Luv.

Fonz slot replacing out so many times is scum indicative as well.

Lynch...Fonz

[Rick Dalton]

Visitor

[Rick Dalton]

Who’s left

[Rick Dalton]

I’m not unreliable, my role’s just kinda annoying because tracker with ninjas.

[Rick Dalton]

Let’s go Baker.

[Rick Dalton]

Who hasn’t claimed

[Rick Dalton]

Roster claimed Vanilla cop

Who’s in the audade slot? Is that John snow?

Vorkuta, I guess I popcorn to you

[Rick Dalton]

Like I have no idea why the mod is trying to replace me when I haven't requested replacement, nor have I been prodded.

[Rick Dalton]

Croag, stay. Idk why they’re pushing you tbh

[Rick Dalton]

I’m pretty sure i popcorn’d to Vorkuta

[Rick Dalton]

@Roster: Which slot did you receive the wrong investigation result on again??

You got popcorn’d go.

Idk why we’re wasting time with filler talk. Let’s get this done with

[Rick Dalton]

@Roster: Which slot did you receive the wrong investigation result on again??

You got popcorn’d go.

Idk why we’re wasting time with filler talk. Let’s get this done with

It's not filler talk to me. I have a theory and I want to be sure of the target. I could ISO him, but there's a lot of noise in everyone's posts (including me) and I have a mild headache that I don't want to get worse.

It’s your turn to claim.

[Rick Dalton]

We have 13 hours left, guys. Come on.

I’ll go Croag if I have to, but Fonz is scum.

[Rick Dalton]

That makes me feel better.

[Rick Dalton]

What do you mean visiting scummy targets.

My role doesn’t do anything except give the tracker fake stuff.

[Rick Dalton]

We can have Chickadee check me tonight if you want, and that checks both her and I.

[Rick Dalton]

Visitor targets and does nothing.

With ninjas in the game, my role does nothing and gives tracker a result.

I didn’t avoid the question, i thought we weren’t claiming actions.

I didn’t target Night 1. I targeted VD night 2. I wasn’t lying about the VD.

[Rick Dalton]

The fact that you said this with confidence is rather worrying. And I like to point out another post that brings up Ascetics, and I want you to keep in mind the post number.

This is incorrect because the first time I brought it up was way early in the game.

I claimed my Informed part immediately basically.

[Rick Dalton]

This is the nail. This is the first time an Ascetic is mentioned, but even looking back, the first time a Ninja was mentioned was (get this) DAY 1! I'm not exaggerating, Day 1 is the first time Ninja's have been brought up, without even thinking of the possibility that Ascetics are in the game. Check below for proof.

Again, ninjas got brought up because I was informed and I’m the one that brought them up.

Ascetic is irrelevant, because why does that matter at all?

[Rick Dalton]

All of this leads to one conclusion. With how it was mentioned that Scum has a Ninja on the first day, the fact that this was said with confidence, and the recent post on giving the tracker "fake stuff", I can't see anything else other than this answer.

This is also incorrect because you are acting like it came out of nowhere.

And you clearly didn’t comprehend what fake stuff meant, but I guess I was being too complex for you.

Cop, Vig are fake stuff for gunsmith.

Visitor, Fruit Vendor are fake stuff for tracker/watcher

[Rick Dalton]

So honestly, just because you are surface level with your analysis, and can’t comprehend what specific stuff means, don’t make a shitty case and act like it’s super scummy when your entire post is flawed because you can’t understand something

[Rick Dalton]

Hello.

I’m Rick Dalton.

I’m informed. Scum has a ninja.

Literally my 2nd post in the game. Do some research.

[Rick Dalton]

It was on Page 1.

[Rick Dalton]

If we think I’m the ninja, we can have Chickadee track me and prove I’m not the ninja.

[Rick Dalton]

The fact I had 2 people jump on me this late in the day proves scum are pushing at me this game.

[Rick Dalton]

I'm still reading through some of these posts, but based on what I've gathered, I'm not a fan of either Rick Dalton or The Fonz at this point.

Rick, I find your posts to be all over the place. The only thing that could be true is that there is at least one Ninja in this game. Everything else just confuses me, almost like an enigma.

The Fonz- "Lynch All Liars", the first and only thing that is said in this position. No other reason to push on Rick being scum, other than "he's a liar". Yes, he's claimed that he pretended, but that's all he's done so far. I don't see any real reason to push on Rick at the moment, so I'm probably going to leave that alone.

VOTE: The Fonz

I'm going to place Fonz at L-2, so I'm going to ask you, is there any other reason you suspect Rick, or is there any reason that you just voted for him with the "Lynch All Liars" quote?

As for everyone else, I'll get to that as soon as I can.

Also, you’ve contradicted yourself because when you replaced it, you pushed Fonz when Fonz was essentially pushing me for the same thing, except he had a better case.

You’re attacking me for the thing you attacked Fonz for attacking me with earlier essentially here.

[Rick Dalton]

We can have Chickadee check me tonight if you want, and that checks both her and I.

It’s also hilarious how after I said Chickadee can check me that people started piling on.

[Rick Dalton]

Keep in mind, you said you were visitor in this post. Now, regardless if VD is Ascetic or not, there's no way to confirm his claim that he killed ethos, the only reason you claimed Tracker would be to get some information out of him that he wouldn't otherwise give. Now the Scum KNOW that VD can not be bodyguarded or saved by a doctor, information that he wouldn't have given otherwise. On top of that, he hasn't even used his JK 1-shot according to his claim, which could be lost if not used tonight. You basically put a bullet on VD's head by forcing out the claim.

This is also incorrect.

He already claimed, I had no way of knowing he had more to his role.

Wanna know how this is a perspective slip?

You specifically stated that I put a bullet on his head, implying that you know I’m not scum because it isn’t a bullet on him if I’m scum, it would be me outing a role, one which I would have had zero way of knowing he had anything else.

The track comment on Ethos is something he had already claimed.

You scum slipped in this post by implying that I am town, which proves your post is you pushing a mislynch on me not pushing me as scum.

VOTE: Pmysterious

[Rick Dalton]

I want to ask, yes, it was your second post, but why. Why did you put that out there at all? There is legitimately NO REASON to put out there that Scum has a Ninja on the first day of the game.

Yet you said it with confidence, that is why I'm thinking you are the Ninja. Yes, it may only be the second post, but for what reason would you even think that Scum has a Ninja, if say, you are the visitor.

False.

I always put my Informed early on, that’s common etiquette.

I also have enough clout on site where I can true claim something like that and people think it’s not.

Almost50 and I real claimed masons in a gamenwhere we masons and nobody believed us because of the style of game we play.

This is yet another incorrect post.

I said it with confidence because it’s my role.

Actually, there’s not a single situation where I don’t say that with confidence, so this is just an entirely irrelevant case.

And also, if you think i’m The ninja, then why did the push on me start after I brought up Chickadee could confirm me?

You don’t want me as confirmed town, so you had to push me.