Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Alisae]

No Lexi you're not a moron, I just wished you claimed your commuter earlier

@Chickadee xof is rational but I think her latest post is really telling.
"On our side"
"its a possible lie"
that stuff just feels off and the whole read just feels safe.
I really just, don't like it.

[Formerfish]

Alright, im done trying to talk to you. You keep doing you, i wish you well in future games and life in general.

VOTE: LLD

You keep being a condescending ray of sunshine too yeah?

Ride that high horse right into the sunset.

I answered your question with my full thoughts, for the third time, so I dont know what else you want.

Clearly you want me to be someone I am not, or perhaps you just like to tone police people?

That seems to fit tbh. Tone policing language and how people talk fits the condescending shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly Mastin is right. Should just lynch me so when I flip town the spell is broken and you all can get back to doing real shit.

Or maybe you will just congratulate yourselves for it or something who knows

[mastina]

Full Commuter sounds amazing for scum!Lexi tho

My main suspicion on lld is exactly this, the role claim being one which feels more like scum than town, but I can still imagine it as a town role albeit one which doesn't mesh well with others.

[Alisae]

Small confession: I've been skimming about 80% of the pages offline: I haven't read every page, there's many pages that I missed, and the pages that I did read I didn't really put more than the bare minimum into.

I haven't been commenting tho because I've wanted to read in detail all the pages and give commentary on key issues, but the thread creating new content faster than I could respond to it makes the task daunting, so the intimidation factor has kept me from weighing in.

There's only about half a dozen (maybe like eight total) posts which I want to respond to, but I can't remember where they are off the top of my head and would need to read to find them.

In the mean time, tho:
LLD, regardless of her alignment, is a distraction.
Town, scum, doesn't matter. Pine wants us to be focusing attention on her.
Personally: while I recognize that there are reasons for both LLD and GreyIce to be scum, I think that at most one of them would be, and that it's quite probable that both are town in spite of my reasons to find them suspect.

Ditto for LLD/xofelf. I recognize the validity of LLD's case, but while I see the logic, I'm not convinced that it's actually right.

I am quite dead serious about my jjh/Aristophanes scumreads; I am sure AT LEAST one of them is scum, quite possibly both.

There's other players who I should give feedback on, but I wanted to do so on a full readslist wallpost where I explain where I am coming from on all of them.

If she's a distraction help us lynch it so we won't be distracted anymore
its impossible to just "ignore" it and saving it for later down the line
you're asking for trouble

[Alisae]

mastina
I need you to shoot
can I give you a pool of people and you decide who to shoot in it

[Ankamius]

Okay, I'm just going to go into this now because this shit is very relevant to my alignment.

1. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that Jingle almost always drafts me in his first set of picks; if not his first, always his second. He's seen enough of how I play

and I've literally HARD STOMPED HIS SCUMTEAM

before. He's either modded or played in a lot of my stronger games on my main account this year, and he was in my strongest scum game of this year. Because of this,

Pine has to draft me first if he wants me on his team

. He can't rely on being able to pick me for his team after the first draft, and that's even assuming that he is aware of Jingle and my history on the site.

2. The way I'm playing this game makes absolutely no sense for scum!me. I'm very well aware of my weaknesses as scum, most notably being that I am able to fake the majority of my towntells, but not at the same time. I can't hyperpost, make believable trajectories, AND be consistent tonally at the same time. In this game, I have been among the top posters for a lot of the game, outputted a lot of reads, and yet nobody has been able to pick up on any major tonal discrepancies up to this point. This is my scumgame of the century in the case that I'm actually scum this game.

3. I'm purposely holding myself back. I'm partially doing this because of the hyperposting thing and I don't want to create another Starry Night out of respect for those that don't want very fast games, but the more prevalent reason for why I'm holding myself back is because

it will not end well if I go hard and start going by my own rules and mindset towards how I play.

I work best when I have enough sway over the game to get the flips I need to narrow down the game to a winnable state, and I learned a harsh lesson from Anuket Topaz that when I try to go that route when there's enough leader/rebellious/etc. types in the game, I compromise my own ability to reach the flips I want and tilt out of the game, literally becoming useless to everybody. This playerlist is very very likely to resist me if I go this route and just cause a bunch of drama bullshit in the thread that it really doesn't need. It's better for me to hold back and do what I can from the background to keep the playerlist focused.

4. I'm pretty much always a nightkill by scum this game as town, most likely in midgame somewhere before I hit my stride and start hitting outright solves. I'd be surprised if scum didn't have at least one person that was aware of this, and Pine has seen a recent enough example to believe it.

5. Alisae, this is specifically to you: I've literally never played with Menalque before. I don't know how he plays. He fits the specific type of player I've been trying to hunt for because the way I'm seeing the game, that specific type is the most likely to hold scum. His response to me was horrific. At best, he has a playstyle that will always result in false positives for me, but I don't actually understand what about him is townreadable unless he just has one of those weird playstyles I can't actually read.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No Lexi you're not a moron, I just wished you claimed your commuter earlier

@Chickadee xof is rational but I think her latest post is really telling.
"On our side"
"its a possible lie"
that stuff just feels off and the whole read just feels safe.
I really just, don't like it.

Why would I claim it when I can play aggro draw a kill and laugh?

Obviously now if I live I am never using it it is way better to be a vt open to cop checks and killable than not. If i become clear then sweet second inno child.

But my logic for not claiming is fine, and i dont know why you prefer otherwise

[Formerfish]

[Alisae]

No Lexi you're not a moron, I just wished you claimed your commuter earlier

@Chickadee xof is rational but I think her latest post is really telling.
"On our side"
"its a possible lie"
that stuff just feels off and the whole read just feels safe.
I really just, don't like it.

Why would I claim it when I can play aggro draw a kill and laugh?

Obviously now if I live I am never using it it is way better to be a vt open to cop checks and killable than not. If i become clear then sweet second inno child.

But my logic for not claiming is fine, and i dont know why you prefer otherwise

you're not drawing a kill Lexi this is Pine we're talking about. He'll take you to LyLo if he really wanted to.

[Alisae]

5. Alisae, this is specifically to you: I've literally never played with Menalque before. I don't know how he plays. He fits the specific type of player I've been trying to hunt for because the way I'm seeing the game, that specific type is the most likely to hold scum. His response to me was horrific. At best, he has a playstyle that will always result in false positives for me, but I don't actually understand what about him is townreadable unless he just has one of those weird playstyles I can't actually read.

okay but the timing of him asking for fruit is SUCH a towntell
its SO TOWN

[popsofctown]

Mastina is your roleclaim a hardclaim

Because if so it is in fact a 1v1 p sure.

2 town BP is ridic

I keep forgetting that.

[Alisae]

like ur gonna tell me u still read Mena as scum and not consider that?
You definitely catch that Ank if you're town.
I swear, its not about his playstyle or anything

its just the timing on it and him being late seems town
if he was scum, he probably just doesn't ask at all.

[Alisae]

@Mastina

Please shoot in the following
DGB
Chennisden
Pink Ball

please do it

[Alisae]

xof isn't in that pool because I want to lynch her after LLD and those 3 just seem like really good shots atm.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You know, I am sure you think you are clever and a good person but if anyone is being toxic at this very moment it's you.

At leasy have the guts to own the fact you are insulting anf ridiculing me. Don't hide behind some mask of being a halfway decent person.

Like holy fuck if you are just gonna take pot h
Shots like this you are a spineless jerk.

[MariaR]

Part of me feels like if I don't comment on the LLD thing and she flips scum people will ask why I didn't talk about it. Yet I don't really care enough to try and comment on it at the same time. Hm, the choices.

[Ankamius]

like ur gonna tell me u still read Mena as scum and not consider that?
You definitely catch that Ank if you're town.
I swear, its not about his playstyle or anything

its just the timing on it and him being late seems town
if he was scum, he probably just doesn't ask at all.

It really rubs me the wrong way when somebody who has done essentially nothing responds to something like that by doing the exact same thing

I took it as a panic grab and the neighborizer being his best role or w/e being an excuse to justify it, then the way he lashed back out at me when I prodded him on it was too defensive for me to see it as coming from a town mindset

I'd have expected a less dissonant response by denouncing that decision and focusing more on that rather than trying to snag the fruit for himself

it's the mindset I'm looking at, not the action.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Part of me feels like if I don't comment on the LLD thing and she flips scum people will ask why I didn't talk about it. Yet I don't really care enough to try and comment on it at the same time. Hm, the choices.

Just vote me if you think I am scum and vote someone else if yoy dont it isnt hard chelsea lol

[Krazy]

Wait wait wait

Is Maria's name chelsea? I did not even know that 0.o

[Alisae]

Wait wait wait

Is Maria's name chelsea? I did not even know that 0.o

no its claire

[MariaR]

Oh by the way Gamma. I've ignored you because I don't care about your read on me. You're not gonna get me lynched and you're not someone people are gonna listen to who 'scumreads' me. So trying to debunk your scumread on me is a waste of time. Because I can really care less on what your read on me is.
Ali I agree with Ank here. I'm not seeing what you're seeing what Mena
pedit: I haven't put the time into reading you LLD. I respect you enough that I'm not gonna just 'lol' vote you because you're a good scum player. We've both been in that spot.
pedit2: My name is Claire. I go by Chelsea on another site

[Ankamius]

Krazy

read of me pls

[Alisae]

Oh by the way Gamma. I've ignored you because I don't care about your read on me. You're not gonna get me lynched and you're not someone people are gonna listen to who 'scumreads' me. So trying to debunk your scumread on me is a waste of time. Because I can really care less on what your read on me is.
Ali I agree with Ank here. I'm not seeing what you're seeing what Mena
pedit: I haven't put the time into reading you LLD. I respect you enough that I'm not gonna just 'lol' vote you because you're a good scum player. We've both been in that spot.
pedit2: My name is Claire. I go by Chelsea on another site

pop quiz
your game has non-random roles and LLD Is town in your game
what type of role do you want to give her?

[MariaR]

Oh by the way Gamma. I've ignored you because I don't care about your read on me. You're not gonna get me lynched and you're not someone people are gonna listen to who 'scumreads' me. So trying to debunk your scumread on me is a waste of time. Because I can really care less on what your read on me is.
Ali I agree with Ank here. I'm not seeing what you're seeing what Mena
pedit: I haven't put the time into reading you LLD. I respect you enough that I'm not gonna just 'lol' vote you because you're a good scum player. We've both been in that spot.
pedit2: My name is Claire. I go by Chelsea on another site

pop quiz
your game has non-random roles and LLD Is town in your game
what type of role do you want to give her?

You give LLD Vanilla town because you know for a fact people are gonna go 'oh my god oh fuck it's LLD!'
Oh, I suppose I see that's why the commuter claim is basically a scum claim.