Open 765: Haunted Village (Over)

[Platinum Phoenix]

norwegian's willingness to re-evaluate is pretty obviously town.

benhalkum, what concerns you about the interaction?

[Platinum Phoenix]

also, when scum tries to fake a change, they are really conscious of if it feels too sudden.

townies often do those really sudden 180s and they are usually the ones who do it - because sometimes it really does take just that.

it feels like norwegian is being set up to look bad, and id appreciate whoever's town stop doing that

[Platinum Phoenix]

also, when scum tries to fake a change, they are really conscious of if it feels too sudden.

townies often do those really sudden 180s and they are usually the ones who do it - because sometimes it really does take just that.

it feels like norwegian is being set up to look bad, and id appreciate whoever's town stop doing that

Well what you said is that I'm scum and I'm pushing my agenda onto Norwegian. You didn't bring up any defensive points and just threw blame elsewhere.

splitting points into "offense/defense" is not the right way to play and that implication that it needs to be split like that is made out of bad faith

[Platinum Phoenix]

TL my understanding is that you're town but you're in a really dumb mindset.

[Platinum Phoenix]

RCE you're not my biggest scumread right now.

ben's recent posting has been kind of atrocious

[Platinum Phoenix]

also, when scum tries to fake a change, they are really conscious of if it feels too sudden.

townies often do those really sudden 180s and they are usually the ones who do it - because sometimes it really does take just that.

it feels like norwegian is being set up to look bad, and id appreciate whoever's town stop doing that

Well what you said is that I'm scum and I'm pushing my agenda onto Norwegian. You didn't bring up any defensive points and just threw blame elsewhere.

also, how about the fact im not shit pushing nacl, the best way to live?

[Platinum Phoenix]

As for anything relevant to add, I still don't have anything concrete.

You don't have to be confident. Do you have any gut feelings about anyone?

Platinum Phoenix and RCEnigma stick out to me. Feel though as if I vote for PP, then I'll just be jumped on for "bandwaggoning" while RCEnigma I have nothing other than his post seem to be more along the side of deflection.

This is very wishy-washy and non committal in an opportunistic way.

VOTE: Platinum Phoenix

His back and forward with Nor was enough to make me feel ok with voting for him. At this point, I'm thinking both are scum and all of that was to try and get us to not be comfortable voting.

let's play your game.

what was the benefit of norwegian bandwagoning me that early and then pulling out a 180 and townreading me?

how would that make people uncomfortable voting us?

do you seriously believe neither of us could make it look smoother/get it to townread me more?

[Platinum Phoenix]

i think norwegian's posting is obviously not agenda-y.

and an agenda of "hey stop shitreading me" is not a scum agenda.

the fact norwegian was willing to work in good faith with me when the townies shitpushing this gamestate refuse to actually read my slot with good faith doesn't mean that you get to shitread norwegian and think his progression was too fast.

[Platinum Phoenix]

@Tris, do you think that the Norwegian & Fake-PP interaction could be town/town? If so, why do you think it couldn't be one where Norwegian is scum and Fake-PP is town?

Didn't I just answer this?

RCE you're not my biggest scumread right now.

ben's recent posting has been kind of atrocious

Are you going to vote for him? Or anyone?

tris the way you want me to vote so you can evaluate your options feels scummy

[Platinum Phoenix]

ugh, as unacceptable as it is, ben could be lazy town

[Platinum Phoenix]

TL can you stop derptowning, and literally do anything better with your vote, including not using it

[Platinum Phoenix]

i think that's a bit surface level: what you're getting at seems like "Norwegian seems like he has the nuance to do this as either alignment"

i think a good question to ask is "what motivation does he have to do it as town/scum?"

[Platinum Phoenix]

@Tris, do you think that the Norwegian & Fake-PP interaction could be town/town? If so, why do you think it couldn't be one where Norwegian is scum and Fake-PP is town?

Didn't I just answer this?

RCE you're not my biggest scumread right now.

ben's recent posting has been kind of atrocious

Are you going to vote for him? Or anyone?

tris the way you want me to vote so you can evaluate your options feels scummy

Why haven't you pushed a counterwagon yet?

@Tris
Oh, yeah, didn't exactly think that through clearly enough. What I was specifically meaning was "If Fake-PP is town, why does Norwegian's interaction depend on his alignment? Couldn't the interaction have gone the same way regardless of if it was Town-Fake-PP and Scum-Norwegian as if it was Town-Fake-PP and Town-Norwegian?"

Because I think Norwegian is town unless they're both in on it.

Because I need to be right

[Platinum Phoenix]

I guess I shouldn't say couldn't be. That's probably to strong.

It's not because he changed his mind. The way his thoughts change over the course of the conversation seem to be natural.

His thoughts changed immediately. He asked "Who has?". Then said "Give me names.". Then he thanked him and voted for Beta Sapphire. Then said that he felt better about him because of it and that that was a tonal read. Please explain how that was natural.

BP

the tonal read part is actually explained by me saying "your read on me wasn't tonal"

then it became a tonal read and he said "look, it's tonal" (which is correct)

[Platinum Phoenix]

Did plat get hammered??

feels fake

[Platinum Phoenix]

ugh, as unacceptable as it is, ben could be lazy town

This is probably the most accurate statement you've made this game.

hey ben

then stop being lazy

and stop voting town

[Platinum Phoenix]

if you KNOW the reason you're voting is because you're lazy and you should reasonably KNOW being lazy will make you wrong, why aren't you fixing that?

[Platinum Phoenix]

hi tris, you feel like you've been coasting.

[Platinum Phoenix]

tris or RCE is my preference today

[Platinum Phoenix]

tris/RCE/??

[Platinum Phoenix]

VOTE: rce

[Platinum Phoenix]

look

i realize it's unlikely i dont get mislynched today which i guess is kind of disappointing

but i think it's kind of obvious RCE (and to some extent tris) is the obvious counterwagon on scum

[Platinum Phoenix]

also i feel like i was wrong on gamma scum because i'm seeing signs of town gamma

[Platinum Phoenix]

but gamma you should really try to read my slot in good faith.

you've been wrong on my slot three times in a row because you've refused to actually critically think wrt my play. don't make this a fourth.

[Platinum Phoenix]

i guess if you're counting that, then it's been 0 times in a row

don't make this the first

[Platinum Phoenix]

also - i think, looking back, what happened was that town decided to wagon my slot for its general unreadability

and as soon as that was fixed scum (tris and RCE) have been trying to re-apply pressure

given that this slot is now mostly solo-me and, well, im chennis, this slot should not be hard to read anymore

[Platinum Phoenix]

i think it's possible pp+gamma are both town

and i'm thinking gamma is town that got caught up in a shitwagon

[Platinum Phoenix]

i dunno, tris + rce felt more agenday.

[Platinum Phoenix]

"Sorry, i don't want to vote my partner"

[Platinum Phoenix]

Also UiT I understand why you're so pissed at the ben slot but voting it today won't do anything.

[Platinum Phoenix]

also - i think, looking back, what happened was that town decided to wagon my slot for its general unreadability

and as soon as that was fixed scum (tris and RCE) have been trying to re-apply pressure

given that this slot is now mostly solo-me and, well, im chennis, this slot should not be hard to read anymore

Initially, I'd agree with this. I mostly got on because you were an awkward slot and there was a meaningful wagon to be had.

I have you the openings to engage with me in a way that showed to me you're town and instead you turned around and shaded me the entire day. You had a decent interaction with Norwegian I kind of liked your reasoning on your read there but in isolation it's not enough to not not win my vote when you're calling me scum for trying to get you to towntell. Instead of going "Cmon guys I'm towntelling."

VOTE: Plat

This is completely a misrepresentation of everything that I've done.

[Platinum Phoenix]

yeah i'd prefer RCE too Menalque but like, it's possible we might have to compromise on tris

and i also don't think the odds are bad for tris scum

[Platinum Phoenix]

i think we can - but there's a sad possibility we might not.

[Platinum Phoenix]

um

type VOTE: rce and townclaim today

[Platinum Phoenix]

you do realize what you said sounds exactly like what he said?

meaning (if you're town) - people are getting inside your head?

which makes you a prime mislynch candidate after me?

althought, uit, your refusal to think for yourself recently has been bad.

norwegian's willingness to re-evaluate is pretty obviously town.

benhalkum, what concerns you about the interaction?

also, when scum tries to fake a change, they are really conscious of if it feels too sudden.

townies often do those really sudden 180s and they are usually the ones who do it - because sometimes it really does take just that.

it feels like norwegian is being set up to look bad, and id appreciate whoever's town stop doing that

TL my understanding is that you're town but you're in a really dumb mindset.

As for anything relevant to add, I still don't have anything concrete.

You don't have to be confident. Do you have any gut feelings about anyone?

Platinum Phoenix and RCEnigma stick out to me. Feel though as if I vote for PP, then I'll just be jumped on for "bandwaggoning" while RCEnigma I have nothing other than his post seem to be more along the side of deflection.

This is very wishy-washy and non committal in an opportunistic way.

VOTE: Platinum Phoenix

His back and forward with Nor was enough to make me feel ok with voting for him. At this point, I'm thinking both are scum and all of that was to try and get us to not be comfortable voting.

let's play your game.

what was the benefit of norwegian bandwagoning me that early and then pulling out a 180 and townreading me?

how would that make people uncomfortable voting us?

do you seriously believe neither of us could make it look smoother/get it to townread me more?

i think norwegian's posting is obviously not agenda-y.

and an agenda of "hey stop shitreading me" is not a scum agenda.

the fact norwegian was willing to work in good faith with me when the townies shitpushing this gamestate refuse to actually read my slot with good faith doesn't mean that you get to shitread norwegian and think his progression was too fast.

the burden of proof was always on you - but i'll play your game.

my tone was "hey - why r u doing this bad thing" and later, "ty for being good"

[Platinum Phoenix]

also - i think, looking back, what happened was that town decided to wagon my slot for its general unreadability

and as soon as that was fixed scum (tris and RCE) have been trying to re-apply pressure

given that this slot is now mostly solo-me and, well, im chennis, this slot should not be hard to read anymore

Initially, I'd agree with this. I mostly got on because you were an awkward slot and there was a meaningful wagon to be had.

I have you the openings to engage with me in a way that showed to me you're town and instead you turned around and shaded me the entire day. You had a decent interaction with Norwegian I kind of liked your reasoning on your read there but in isolation it's not enough to not not win my vote when you're calling me scum for trying to get you to towntell. Instead of going "Cmon guys I'm towntelling."

VOTE: Plat

This is completely a misrepresentation of everything that I've done.

Break it down for me then.

also, openly calling you scum is

shading

since when?

[Platinum Phoenix]

Anyway, reasons: we actually think vork has good scum equity in our PT, we just prefer RCE. I think voting him like that when he’s someone who has good chances of being scum (power scumming, which I’ve heard is something he’s capable of) and at a point in the day when things were majorly stagnating is I think very towny. If vork were to flip green then fake-PP red I would be more worried. But rn I can’t see (as you mentioned) any scum motivation in your vote there.

-M

yeah, i understand your point now

[Platinum Phoenix]

vorkuta, your read is seriously so bad.

[Platinum Phoenix]

what do you not understand about the fact that pushing tris is easier?

what do you not understand about the fact that we don't have a bajillion scum and that TOWNIES are actually NOT BEING DUMB?

[Platinum Phoenix]

RCE you're not my biggest scumread right now.

ben's recent posting has been kind of atrocious

i think this kind of implies i've been scumraeding you

[Platinum Phoenix]

i also think Gamma has been playing closer to his town meta.

PP's a moot point.

Vorkuta could be scum.

[Platinum Phoenix]

Also,

"i've been trying to get you to towntell" - show work?

[Platinum Phoenix]

I thought about adding that but it's still vague, which is why I asked you after you flipped your Ben read.

where? I don't think I caught that.

[Platinum Phoenix]

this is all chennis - i've been flying solo for a while.

vorkuta, your read is seriously so bad.

You're chenny right?

This is honestly the first time I've heard/seen such amazing word choice come out of your mouth, and it sure makes me think that you're panicking scum.
You can feel free to invoke "but I'm a power-town player now!!!! i dun lurk anymoar!!1!" but I'm going to stand by this.

And if you are wrong town- then fine.
I have reasons that I'm not willing to share for now.
You're approaching the slot in bad faith which is exactly how you've treated GE and PP ~30 pages ago.

you're one to talk about bad faith.

erm

[Platinum Phoenix]

-.-

[Platinum Phoenix]

hmm.

fair enough.

[Platinum Phoenix]

ugh, as unacceptable as it is, ben could be lazy town

Who does that make your biggest scumread then?

tris at the time?

[Platinum Phoenix]

idk.

i don't feel like RCE actually has to engage with me in this way if he's scum, so I could be wrong

but i think there's definitely

incentive

for doing this as both alignments?

[Platinum Phoenix]

Response to 1405 because mobile mutiquoting sucks.

Yeah I figured.

[Platinum Phoenix]

scum - why would you want to be the noisiest person around your mislynch?

[Platinum Phoenix]

idk.

i dont think scum should make noise around their mislynch if they can afford not to.

[Platinum Phoenix]

Vork you look like you're hedging right now.

You mean me?

[Platinum Phoenix]

Btw if you do mean me you have a fair point.

I understand that my progression right now is, like, not great

but the main people driving my wagon right now - ben tris RCE and Vork to some extent - aren't exactly the most townread. and I think in the end if I were scum I would be able to direct a mislynch considering momentum. like it wouldn't be

easy,

no, but it'd probably be on someone else. and I don't think i need to look for a new angle to push in a way that gets me the mislynch

today

- i think i'd be covering for

tomorrow

.

[Platinum Phoenix]

there's a part of me that says i'm being an ass, RCE is town, and it's fucking vork trying to capitalize on this.

[Platinum Phoenix]

yeah dude, GE is totally voting me right now.

[Platinum Phoenix]

i think the fact that you're presenting yourself as "Hey dude im not the worst on this wagon" and not actually reading the game while pretending to is something scummy to do.

i dont think town pretends to be so cocky here. i think scum doesn't need to like, read the game so indepth, but needs to try to get a more general overview. and that's the way you feel. you're missing crucial details and yet you're still pushing this as if you've read the game.

[Platinum Phoenix]

also
>ben- driving literally anyone's wagon
>tris- the one that supported my NaCl vote for half a second? Vote-hoppy

I'm pretty sure you've done this to yourself with the early GE and PP drama and they've uh.... parked on you

given that the only real wagons until then were your unserious RVS wagon and mine, driving literally anyone's wagon is something that applies to like, half the playerlist up to his latest post

[Platinum Phoenix]

"townreading" isn't the standard right now btw,

it's "who is scummier?" between tris and me (mostly).

[Platinum Phoenix]

yeah dude, GE is totally voting me right now.

it's funny because I even did vote counts

mb

Point still stands IMHO- I also don't think GE has withdrawn their SR on you- just counterwagon experiments

pot - kettle

[Platinum Phoenix]

yeah dude, GE is totally voting me right now.

it's funny because I even did vote counts

mb

Point still stands IMHO- I also don't think GE has withdrawn their SR on you- just counterwagon experiments

nah you feel like ur covering up.

[Platinum Phoenix]

with 1435.

[Platinum Phoenix]

casual reminder that a wagon is not composed solely of its votes

[Platinum Phoenix]

i think a lot of people who are townreading my slot are townreading it for me rn, so your view of the game is also very off.

[Platinum Phoenix]

it's clearly not working because you think "oh my god if chennis says anything about HIS OWN SLOT it's invalid," so why fucking bother? show not tell is also working better. so fuck off.

[Platinum Phoenix]

"i've never voted you in technicality so im totally not part of this wagon."

"ge is technically not voting you but he's voting you in SPIRIT"

[Platinum Phoenix]

and - you've posted about nacl about 0 times recently.

[Platinum Phoenix]

i think elements is kind of done with your inability to read our slot.

[Platinum Phoenix]

you've never explained the read. you're just parking on a bad wagon while hedging

[Platinum Phoenix]

you're not figuring anything out - you're trying to look good.

[Platinum Phoenix]

*sighs*
[big font tag] ANYONE DOWN TO VOTE NACL? [/huuuuuge] No? K

Figuring it out between {you/tris/RCE} is more pressing and relevant at this stage in the game.
The time to push brand new reads was probably a day or two ago, but unfortunately I was unavailable to completely drive something home.

Would you rather I obstruct the gamestate we have now and hypertunnel an unpopular/unlikely-to-go-through SR of mine?


Stop trying to get cheap points with one-liners to nourish your bruised-ego.

I would rather you actually develop your read to a non-zero extent.

[Platinum Phoenix]

FUCK OFF.

[Platinum Phoenix]

FUCK OFF.

[Platinum Phoenix]

FUCK OFF.

[Platinum Phoenix]

sorry i'm a bit pissed right now vorkuta.

[Platinum Phoenix]

VOTE: tris.

[Platinum Phoenix]

tris generally hiding in the noise aint great

[Platinum Phoenix]

you're fine vork.

yes, they were - my reads are generally not great when i am.

[Platinum Phoenix]

let's just lynch scum.

[Platinum Phoenix]

If you don't see Elements returning soon pls rep in with your main

I do still exist, it's just not in my best interests to post in my day 1 style when everything I said was getting ripped apart by a large proportion of high activity players, who were all treating me as irredeemable scum. I have no doubt that if I hadn't stopped, we'd have been lynched by now.
- Phoenix

[Platinum Phoenix]

why voting tris?

[Platinum Phoenix]

um?

[Platinum Phoenix]

Ben was the more likely vig kill. Beta was probably partly killed for the WIFOM around their reads, be them correct or not. From that either UiT or RCE are scum. RCE if the kill was because of the read, UiT if it was to get us to lynch RCE. I more inclined to think the latter because of 1574. We only had one post about the beta death from Nor then UiT gives the classic mafia post of "oh no why did they die?" and brings up the fact RCE was scum read by beta.
VOTE: UiT
I this is scum, NaCl probably is too. If town, RCE if prolly scum.
- Phoenix

[Platinum Phoenix]

Also, Plat Phoe's direction toward RC if I flip town makes me a little less suspicious of RC.

BP

Yea you're right. You flipping town doesn't have any significant bearing on RCE's slot.

[Platinum Phoenix]

- Phoenix

[Platinum Phoenix]

I mean I’d rather we townread each other and just lynch scum?

But I don’t give a shit about the deadline thing really, it’s the second para I didn’t like. I don’t like you being so okay about any of three, that seems scummy. Like, if we’re heading towards a lynch you don’t like the fight it. That’s a very fence sitty post

Idk why you’re being so concerned with my read on you when I’m not even pushing you? That also pings me as insecure scum.

I felt like you were softing onto tris while leaving the option to switch back to RCE if it looks inevitable

-M

I mostly try and townhunt. So those three are outside my townreads and I was ok lynching any of the three. I wouldn't have been good with a Lynch on a number of people, including yourself, but you didn't seem like an option. I made it clear that I didn't want to Lynch Plat Phoe and that my slot wouldn't be voting there. Yeah my other head was, but I tried to make it clear we weren't voting there. We agreed on Tris and RCE and wanted Ben. So I don't think I was being as fence sitty as you're suggesting here. If you're reading the head disagreement as fence-sitting then that's a bit more understandable.

Was the fact that I was comfortable with either RCE or Tris completely unbelievable? We're either of those slots screaming town to you?

I wanted you to focus on me and explain that because what I find easiest to read are people's cases against me. Because I know what I do during a game, I know when I make decisions that are questionable, so I feel like it gives me a better base to assess motives. So I try and engage when people are expressing reads about me without explaining.

BP

Where's the progression? You were townreading me the day before to some extent then you decide "yup yup he's scum" because Elements voted you and pressure was going up - and you focusing on us is probably because you think we're the next easiest lynch

-Plat

[Platinum Phoenix]

was it based on the fact he quickhammered or that it was a pr

- Phoenix

[Platinum Phoenix]

I mean I’d rather we townread each other and just lynch scum?

But I don’t give a shit about the deadline thing really, it’s the second para I didn’t like. I don’t like you being so okay about any of three, that seems scummy. Like, if we’re heading towards a lynch you don’t like the fight it. That’s a very fence sitty post

Idk why you’re being so concerned with my read on you when I’m not even pushing you? That also pings me as insecure scum.

I felt like you were softing onto tris while leaving the option to switch back to RCE if it looks inevitable

-M

I mostly try and townhunt. So those three are outside my townreads and I was ok lynching any of the three. I wouldn't have been good with a Lynch on a number of people, including yourself, but you didn't seem like an option. I made it clear that I didn't want to Lynch Plat Phoe and that my slot wouldn't be voting there. Yeah my other head was, but I tried to make it clear we weren't voting there. We agreed on Tris and RCE and wanted Ben. So I don't think I was being as fence sitty as you're suggesting here. If you're reading the head disagreement as fence-sitting then that's a bit more understandable.

Was the fact that I was comfortable with either RCE or Tris completely unbelievable? We're either of those slots screaming town to you?

I wanted you to focus on me and explain that because what I find easiest to read are people's cases against me. Because I know what I do during a game, I know when I make decisions that are questionable, so I feel like it gives me a better base to assess motives. So I try and engage when people are expressing reads about me without explaining.

BP

Where's the progression? You were townreading me the day before to some extent then you decide "yup yup he's scum" because Elements voted you and pressure was going up - and you focusing on us is probably because you think we're the next easiest lynch

-Plat

That's probably fair. I don't think I have a great progression here. I was townleaning you yesterday based on how you handled that wagon, but that doesn't mean you're not scum. And I feel like your explanation for voting me wasn't good.

Also, if our slot is scum here who are scum with? Vork seemed like he got to me with a case based on our vote progression. And that seems consistent. When you were being wagoned, you were looking for associationals to try and deflate the wagon. Now when it comes to my slot, you're not really looking at how my slot has interacted or been interacted with. If I'm scum don't you think I could have gotten a bit more traction with my Ben wagon? I mean, that slot wasn't great. But it didn't even build up. So I think my slot is the new low hanging fruit and you were sophisticated enough to pick up on it. And then you left yourself outs in the form of RCE when I flipped town. So I don't know how strong a progression that is, but there was something fishy about your push that didn't feel that way with Vork.

BP

!!!!!

playing "if i'm scum who am i scum with" is something scum really likes to do

play spot the similarity with this post and viewtopic.php?p=11144389#p11144389/http ... #p11145277

[Platinum Phoenix]

(i was scum in that game.)

[Platinum Phoenix]

Don't know what I was thinking when I posted that tbh, was a poor attempt of humour on my part.

Hope you have a good night of sleep, friend.

-Hectic

[Platinum Phoenix]

Unstuck is probably scum here too. Don't like his Tris/RC trajectories. Hey Unstuck, why aren't you doing anything to push RC?

-Hop

If Beta was vigged then my scumread of RCE does not make any sense at all.



TL

Do you think Beta was vigged?
- Phoenix

[Platinum Phoenix]

I also doubt Beta was vigged, that would be a stupid move
-Phoenix

[Platinum Phoenix]

I'm working under the assumption that Ben was vigged.

Why? For what purpose?

[Platinum Phoenix]

- Phoenix

[Platinum Phoenix]

I'm not sure if you read that right?

I did not read that right
- Phoenix

[Platinum Phoenix]

Unstuck is probably scum here too. Don't like his Tris/RC trajectories. Hey Unstuck, why aren't you doing anything to push RC?

-Hop

If Beta was vigged then my scumread of RCE does not make any sense at all.

Beta nightkill implicates RCE scum. A spicy nightkill indeed, but Beta was trying to pocket RCE.

If RCE is somehow still town, then my next guess of who would nightkill Beta would either be the dreaded Phoenix... or Gamma Emerald (who I TR)

I'm sorry but I don't get the point of any of these posts. The first one is you implying beta was killed by scum. The second you point out the obvious but then talk very briefly about pocketing. The third one can come from scum you trying to set up future mislynches.

Can you expand of the pocket and explain the implications that has on your RCE read
- Phoenix

[Platinum Phoenix]

I don't understand why fakePP is playing both sides here.

did you just ignore 1664?

I'm not sure how i feel about BP going on about "policy lynch me plz". Part of me wants to believe he's a townie frustrated at the situation his hydra's put him in, but another part of me wonders if he's just scum trying to appeal to emotions.

I don't think the tone of posting is from frustrated town.
- Phoenix

[Platinum Phoenix]

I don't understand why fakePP is playing both sides here.

did you just ignore 1664?

I'm not sure how i feel about BP going on about "policy lynch me plz". Part of me wants to believe he's a townie frustrated at the situation his hydra's put him in, but another part of me wonders if he's just scum trying to appeal to emotions.

I don't think the tone of posting is from frustrated town.
- Phoenix

I saw it. How exactly did you read that incorrectly? Did you think he said he thought Beta was vigged?

Yes. I stopped reading after the be

[Platinum Phoenix]

hi. i'm thinking nacl has more scum equity than uit with his last few posts.

[Platinum Phoenix]

- chennis

[Platinum Phoenix]

it's possible scum deliberately let my wagon die so they could shitpush me later.

- chennis

>_<

um

[Platinum Phoenix]

yeah, i hydraslip embarrassingly often - my b.

[Platinum Phoenix]

it's possible scum deliberately let my wagon die so they could shitpush me later.

- chennis

^

[Platinum Phoenix]

fmpov, hell yes.

[Platinum Phoenix]

I'll level with you. I don't see Undertale-chennis.

Do you see undertale Elements?
- Phoenix

[Platinum Phoenix]

SS have we played any games together other than undertale?
- Phoenix

[Platinum Phoenix]

I'll level with you. I don't see Undertale-chennis.

Do you see undertale Elements?
- Phoenix

Not specifically, but based on that game I don't really think your game is that different between alignments. Certainly not as different as chennis claims his is.

Could this be a scum slip? Undertale is the only game I've played with ss so saying from that game he thinks I play the same as either alignment he must have a town game of mine to compare it to ie this game where scum!ss knows I'm town.
- Phoenix

[Platinum Phoenix]

vt

norwegian is scum

S_S is scum

look at PP and vork

cya

[Platinum Phoenix]

also GE is town

[Platinum Phoenix]

hi opportunistic, im chennis

[Platinum Phoenix]

a wagon does not consist only of votes

smarty you should know this. that took me 5 seconds to type it should not be that hard

[Platinum Phoenix]

im using it to mean "the concerted and deliberate effort to get someone lynched."

[Platinum Phoenix]

and this can mean a bunch of townies going "yeah he needs to die, he's scum" or it could be scum manipulating the gamestate so someone gets lynched. and i think it's the latter.

[Platinum Phoenix]

the wagon on me mysteriously disappears D1, then it reappears D2. and both times it was with norwegian

[Platinum Phoenix]

I think vork is kinda spewed town

[Platinum Phoenix]

Well we can talk about it tomorrow VOTE: platinum

nice try, scum, but NO