Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

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VOTE: Bingle

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Who is in the vanillizing hood?

Marquis, Bingle and Vecna

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There are 4 living players who are currently addicted to caffeine.

Speaking of which:

JJD/Marquis/Croag/PP/Pops

Pops tried to FN Kagami last night, and so should be caffeinated. JJD meanwhile supposedly docced *someone* on a night where we have no missing kills and was all for bringing this up while we were lynching Chandra, but mysteriously doesn't want to talk about it today.

Pops claimed not to use FN, only to tell in hood that she might use it on Kagami, so I see no problem here

As for JJD, I just want to believe he isn't petty enough to act like he did towards me as a caught scum and he's just frustrated town, who feels falsely accused by me

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i think PP has significant scum equity for balance/dayplay reasons

Agreed, but not today. We find the scum in us/docs before we go cop hunting.

So, who is scum in your hood? Cause I don't believe in 3 BP townies with at least 3 vig shots in town hands

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But wasn't Vecna, who convinced Marquis to shoot Fish?

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Also, why no one talking about elephant in the room - Pine's kill over Croag

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Honestly, how it makes sense for you to be caffeinated over Bingle? He had 4 votes, you had only 3

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Day One, why is it a big deal if Pine dies over Croag? It sounded like he was the one who vigged Fish in the first place.

Croag is sane/naive 1-shot cop, Pine was a ninja tracker. I'd shoot cop over tracker, unless I have good reason not to

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Day One, why is it a big deal if Pine dies over Croag? It sounded like he was the one who vigged Fish in the first place.

Croag is sane/naive 1-shot cop, Pine was a ninja tracker. I'd shoot cop over tracker, unless I have good reason not to

I forgot that Kagami was still alive, so Croag was sane/insane/naive cop that hasn't acted N1

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Pine claimed tracker and said he'll act N2

Why tracker is more important?

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Insane cop is on same level as sane cop, they just get opposite results. Cops have unknown sanity, so even getting check from sane cop doesn't mean anything, if you don't know that it was sane cop. Also, everyone was under impression that other 3 cops used their checks N1 and only Croag wasn't, so preventing check should be priority

They could easily kill Pine N3, 1 check from tracker isn't that big deal either

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Marquis, didn't you said you're shooting FL tonight?

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Marquis, didn't you said you're shooting FL tonight?

Does it look like I want to waste time mislynching

Well, you said FL getting away with his vig claim was elephant in the room. I just thought there's no reason to discuss that as you're shooting him anyway

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Bingle, I have question to you - does your multivote is tied to number of live vigs?

Oh, lol.

Doesn’t this raise scum equity in Marquis, though, because of Kuribo’s Mafia Vigilante knowledge?

Bingle said they knew 3 vigs exist, so I was wondering how they knew it and thought maybe it was tied to their votes and they lose vote for every dead vig

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Hmm, Debunked because Day 2 he had 3 votes still

Bingle started with 4, Perry dead and that's -1 vote, D2 Bingle had 3. But he said they just lose a vote every day phase. I was just curious how Bingle knew there was 3 vigs D2 and made some theory

Also, why you so confident that JJD actually acted N1? I said in our hood last night that you shouldn't take such claims from JJD at face value and he agreed that it's in his gambit range

PP claimed to act N2 today, so that's too a bit off in your analysis

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Also, after Chandra gunning for our hood and saying we have 2 scum, I really doubt 2 scums are in here

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Hmm, Debunked because Day 2 he had 3 votes still

Bingle started with 4, Perry dead and that's -1 vote, D2 Bingle had 3. But he said they just lose a vote every day phase. I was just curious how Bingle knew there was 3 vigs D2 and made some theory

Also, why you so confident that JJD actually acted N1? I said in our hood last night that you shouldn't take such claims from JJD at face value and he agreed that it's in his gambit range

PP claimed to act N2 today, so that's too a bit off in your analysis

I brought this up. If JJD didnt act Night 1, then where’s the extra caffeinated player? Why haven’t they countered because it’s be a direct counter claim.

PP stated they acted Night 1, yet nothing happened. At the present time, that is a PP scum slip because there wasn’t an additional caffeinated to account for.

PP claimed not to act N1

No I didn't.

We were supposed to all act, but I didn't because Croag never confirmed.

I remember JJD counting 7 people acting N1 with 4 caffeinations, so I don't really understand your point. It was clear that things were off with D2 math and PP not acting, JJD lying isn't impossible

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Tbh, it was strange to me, why PP would check me from all people - that what his message was pointing according to their code

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PP claims to act N2, not N1, I don't see problem there. He never claimed to act N1, he simply didn't denied assumption that he acted N1 and it's smart, scum wouldn't consider him as a target, if they think he already used his ability

Have you played with town A50? I'm really curious why you so hung up on fact that he isn't lying about acting N1. I've seen him flipping his claim as town in the past, so I take that as a NAI

Also I see you finally noticed that there was 0 people caffeinated at the start

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That was from D2, when Kagami and Chandra were alive. But if we take PP and JJD out of equation, we get 4 caffeinations. PP and Croag replacing Kagami and Chandra makes 4 again. Assuming that Chandra didn't acted is wrong. Even if she knew her sanity, she had to get caffeinated for PoE reasons anyway

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Also has it actually been claimed the 3 reflexive people are caffeinated already?

Vecna claimed something about being caffeinated from the start, but with how many bs people said in this game already, who knows if that's true or not

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So did JJD confirm he used an action the first night?

he claimed target, but there's no way to confirm

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PP claims to act N2, not N1, I don't see problem there. He never claimed to act N1, he simply didn't denied assumption that he acted N1 and it's smart, scum wouldn't consider him as a target, if they think he already used his ability

Have you played with town A50? I'm really curious why you so hung up on fact that he isn't lying about acting N1. I've seen him flipping his claim as town in the past, so I take that as a NAI

Also I see you finally noticed that there was 0 people caffeinated at the start

This has already been discussed. It doesn’t matter.

Day 3 has 4 caffeinated.

Bingle
Vecna
Marquis
PP
JJD

Like drop Night 1 from your mind. It’s still accurate.

Where Croag? And why you so sure Bingle and Vecna are caffeinated?

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Also, you didn't answered, why you so sure about JJD acting N1?

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Who was his target?

I actually feel like I remember him specifically stating he didn’t claim his target.

I think he accidentally killed Fish, though.

He claimed in hood last night, but I leave for him to decide, if he want out here or not

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He claimed in hood last night, but I leave for him to decide, if he want out here or not

Why would a spent 1 shot doc who didn't save anyone not want to claim their target? That's bullshit to stop himself from being analyzed.

He wasn't trying to protect, he tried to kill, but his target survived

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That's not better.

I'm not saying it's better, but this perspective makes his claim way less believable

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FL is surely working for his IC status - I can't imagine anyone more narcissistic in here

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Croag, is it safe to assume that neither of you checked ofrhz?

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Despite JJD's best efforts scummiest person is FL now

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If FL isn't dying tonight to Marquis bullet, my vote isn't moving from him tomorrow

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Finally it's over. Thanks for hosting, FG

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So as not to be mean to anyone I shall refrain from commenting on any individual play. I just want to say that had we joined the "unkillables" on N1 we would have exposed the lie on D2, and we would have probably had reason enough to -at least- pressure Bingle on that day (at least until chandra slipped). You worry about caffeine? We LOST by caffeine still.

Thank you for hosting, FG. It was an interesting setup.

@chenn: it probably would not have changed the outcome, but why didn't you CPR me on N4 as I had suggested? A 5-players LyLo is theoretically better for the town still. I say it probably wouldn't have changed the outcome because they would have lynched Croag anyway (Bingle, Vecna & PP), but still [in]in theory[/in] it was the right move.

Or, if certain person listened what rest of his hood said and didn't get caffeinated N1 for no reason, town wouldn't lost to caffeine as it were 3 uncaffeinated people

Also, people thinking someone as good as Bingle being so useless could be town is mindblowing

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Or, if certain person listened what rest of his hood said and didn't get caffeinated N1 for no reason, town wouldn't lost to caffeine as it were 3 uncaffeinated people

Are you bloody reading or is your head stuck up your ass?? How wqas that ever going to matter?? It would have shown that only 3 people were caffeinated, and it would still have got me lynched. Wait. Let's assume I wasn't lynched and the game went like it did. Bingle just shoot Marquis instead and claims that I did because Marquis was the only "confirmed" townie, and Bingle/Vecna/PP still lynch me and Bingle still wins.

But really... do I expect you to understand any of this? Absolutely not. You just want to be right and will argue for it all the way to hell and back. I dunno what you're trying to compensate for but please don't do it at my expense. Thank you.

I can say same to you - I deliberately decided not to call people's mistakes, but you had to come and blabber how we didn't listened your amazing plan N1 to join Bingle's hood

You wasn't lynched, while being caffeinated, you think they'd lynched non caffeinated you with 2 clears? It'd been PP/Croag to try find your partner and it's more likely for PP to go. Then it's Bingle vs Vecna, in 4 man MYLO would be obv that there only 1 scum left or game was over with 2 scum left

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No. I guess you're right. With 2 clears on me none of Scum!Bingle, Butthead!Vecna or Peepee-Brain!Penguin would vote me like EVER.

WAIT! They all DID! But you're still right because you know everything.

You missed part, where you wouldn't be caffeinated and people would have to lynch cop partner first, so yes, I KNOW EVERYTHING, while you try to ignore what isn't convenient to you

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Why is Marquis + cop less likely than JJD + the less scummy cop on a 4-man team?

Oh right, you think shooting a scumbuddy as scum vig is a viable choice.

In a 4 man team, when scumbuddy is under heavy fire? Why not. But then there's other question, would Marquis do it?

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Oh and who kept following counterwagon after counterwagon


And then suspected Pine despite him being the only surviving member of a neighborhood who already had one dead scum and in a game where people said stuff like "MY WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS TOWN WHEEEEEEE"

For the record, my whole hood was town.

Also, that post was mainly reaction test to highlight terrible gamestate we were in

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My whole hood was town too!

Then how we lost this? I blame you

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Cephrir, I'm mildly offended for you calling me scrub in scum chat for not townreading you

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Indeed, that's why I wear my jacket with a lot of pockets, when I'm scum