Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Flavor Leaf]

Like I’m half doubting my Pops read, but I think that’s just paranoia at this point

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, like, “in the case Flavor is somehow absurdly obnoxious town”

Come on, that’s just me being town...

[Flavor Leaf]

I bring up Bingle’s Vengeful Spirits game

[Flavor Leaf]

And even if I am far off early, that’s not really ever the case late. I always bring up the possibilities to an annoying degree, and shall here as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

I confirmed myself as town to Bingle last night.

But you’re reflexive Roleblocker, however could this happen

[Flavor Leaf]

That was rather sarcastic, but if that is the case, I’m gonna believe it.

And Bingle sees that I’m town, you aren’t gonna get me killed Pops. Stop trying to mislynch me

[Flavor Leaf]

actually idk why I'm hiding it since I can't be rbed or killed anyway LOL I vigged kagami and I'm vigging whichever of you/FL doesn't die this day too

Yeah, just Vig me. That solves anything.

I’ll use my Vig on Pops. Problem solved.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pops absolutely never gets to read me again after this game if she’s town.

Any scum push she ever does on me again I’m gonna tear apart, because specific players who know me much better realize how hard town I am.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well part of my reason for scumreading you is dramatically reduced if Marquis shot Kagami

Oh, because Kagami wouldn’t have been a scum kill.

Do we have a doc? Where’d the doc protect?

[Flavor Leaf]

Bingle/D1L is probably where I’m still leaning.

Gut is screaming, screaming, screaming Chandar. I go in and out of town reading/scum reading then

Do I already have to quote the post or are you backing down from that now.

Do you do this on purpose as both alignments or something so that no one can expect to pin you down to any opinion ever?

Really, were going to vca scum into arbitrary piles now? Can we not waste our time on such pointless exercises?

Like I said, this is probably scum.

My VCA isn’t like normal VCA.

I’m the docta of wagonomics.

Okay chucklefuck, listen up.

This is always the shit people give me and I am beyond over it. Every one of you colored votecount hugging geniuses thinks you have 600 IQ and no one else understands coloring in vote counts as well as you.

I spend every game complaining about this and you all react the same way. This knee jerk bullshit that I must be scum discrediting you because you're so brilliant and totally onto me.

It is just completely divorced from reality. I have had this pointless conversation in every game I've played since goddamn well 2014 or whenever every new guy who thinks hes solved this game started turning mod posts red and green all the time. I have the fucking receipts. I have a wall of quotes from myself saying it in every game as every alignment and smashing my stupid head against the wall because this "tactic" is so. Frustrating.

Am I just some relic, nostalgic for bygone days when we played mafia and judged players on their words and their actions rather than try to make a numbers game out of something that at its core defies numbers? You bet I am. I know these posts I'm making dont accomplish anything. I'm not town here thinking I'm gonna change the ways of anyone who thinks they're the hottest thing since isaac newton invented calculus. I'm not scum here thinking that screaming into the void about it is somehow going to make anyone townread me. Im just a dude who's frustrated that after all the time I've watched people do this, they never learn. They just keep on going pretending they can reduce a game of social deception, that's interesting and has layers, to a math problem. If you want to shuffle some numbers around, go take an algebra class. Shitting up the thread with rainbow player names and bar deductions based on the idea that scum would never vote together or whatever the fuck is basically offensive to anyone who thinks this game is or should be should be fun or interesting.

In conclusion, bite me.

I'm just going to ignore FL's smarmy bullshit for a while and see if it makes this game less miserable.

I know I’m god level scum and all, but you can’t possibly believe this is a S/S interaction between the two of us.

Chandar was skirting around me constantly and probably was hatcheting me come to think of it.

I was probably on the right track at some point during this game and moved away from it

[Flavor Leaf]

The scumkill was Pine

Pine didn’t die Night 1? I thought Pine died night 2

[Flavor Leaf]

The scumkill n1 was kuribo and n2 it was Pine

Oh, i mixed up Kuribo and Kagami.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have a 7-1 scum record this year. I’m not gonna risk playing the way I have to fuck that record up. The 1 is ugly enough as is

[Flavor Leaf]

Meh, see, so here’s the thing.

I’ve been getting doubts on the Pop slot, but this exact same thing happened when I was correct for the wrong reasons when I was pushing ScumKuribo in Pastries. They replaced out, but they ended up being scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dang. PP you scum again bro?

VOTE: PP

We’re kind of in countering wagons, but you have a FN shot. You willing to FN me tonight, and we call this 1v1 off?

[Flavor Leaf]

Gobby gookey, I’m Rick Dalton.

Let’s chat tonight in the neighborhood.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, how is he town at all then?

If anything their scum equity just rose, especially because Kagami was claimed as a kill, and Kuribo specifically stated I believe FG has Mafia Vigilantes in his games

[Flavor Leaf]

There are 4 living players who are currently addicted to caffeine.

Speaking of which:

JJD/Marquis/Croag/PP/Pops

Pops tried to FN Kagami last night, and so should be caffeinated. JJD meanwhile supposedly docced *someone* on a night where we have no missing kills and was all for bringing this up while we were lynching Chandra, but mysteriously doesn't want to talk about it today.

So convenient

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, Pops claimed 1-shot to me.

Why are you saying she targeted Kagami?

[Flavor Leaf]

Am I screaming into the void? Pops did not use her ability last night.

I was talking to Bingle.

I am very aware of what you said.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bingle said Kagami was targeted by Pops and you clearly stated you still have a shot

[Flavor Leaf]

And Bingle was using it as a way to defend Marquis

[Flavor Leaf]

Marquis-Bingle, at least 1, are scum.

Bingle is generally townie to me, but there’s something off this entire game with him.

[Flavor Leaf]

The Pelican defense.

The JJD push.

This FN shenanigans.

The Pops-Kagami FN comment

[Flavor Leaf]

And Marquis is somehow a multi shot Vigilante? Alright.

There’s scum in either Bingle or Marquis

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not fake claiming.

Marquis just scum claimed because he implied he thinks I’m town who fake claimed.

[Flavor Leaf]

Marquis’ not a town vig.

[Flavor Leaf]

He wants me dead because scum think I’m uncaffeinated.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL I think you could be scum because while I don't see a ton of scum motivation I see literally no town motivation in your earlygame play.

That’s how you know I’m town.

That’s like the epitome of how you know I’m town.

Bingle and JJD, the two players who know me best, are both saying I’m town here.

Scum is pushing me.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL why did you get peli mislynched

He claimed my role and was scummy.

I tunnel town as town. It happens.

[Flavor Leaf]

^^Bingle is forgetting his own reasons. It seems that every layer of lies he adds blocks his memory from remembering what he had said earlier.

I townread Marquis and Vecna. (And D1L! OMG!) There is scum in a pool of 6 players. Apparently, townreading multiple people in that pool of six players is unreasonable.

And yes, if there is scum in {Marquis/Vecna} it's Vecna 300% of the time. That doesn't mean I think Vecna is scum, that means that if there is scum in 3 people who are probably all town, it's not the one who vigged scum and it's not the one whose role PM is in my inbox.

If Marquis is scum here, you take the fall, because he’s being terrible and scummy so hard right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am town.

Marquis needs to shoot me if he’s a Vig. I’ll be shooting tonight, and that why he’s pushing like this.

He has a terrible “oh he’s been playing bad he claimed because blah blah blah.”

Nope, just no.

That’s every FL town game.

[Flavor Leaf]

ScumMe never goes after RCEnigma day 1 like that. Ever.

[Flavor Leaf]

Marquis, didn't you said you're shooting FL tonight?

Does it look like I want to waste time mislynching

Well, you said FL getting away with his vig claim was elephant in the room. I just thought there's no reason to discuss that as you're shooting him anyway

This is why you can tell I am town. Scum are wanting this to happen, even if Marquis is town.

Somewhere scum is making sure gamestate says so.

Like, sorry, I’m too good at scum to be scum here. Simple as that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like straight up. People just play at a surface level their entire lives and can’t see past :shrug:

[Flavor Leaf]

feeling like he was cornered today

I never feel cornered as scum. Wanna know why this proves me town?

I ALWAYS push scum team work. I always have a master plan, and i always have a plan or a play of action. ScumFL is never cornered. Simple as that.

I’m too good as scum to be in this scenario. My teammates would be helping at this point if I were scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, look at my associations.

There are zero players who could be a partner, besides maybe PP.

I’ve also done nothing to set up partners for deep wolfin’, and 2 scum are already down.

Something that would never happen if I were there partner. I’d have found a way out of it for any of them.

Going at me shows the surface level in players.

JJD-FL pairing if you push is the absolute most surface level association read anyone could ever have at this point too

[Flavor Leaf]

Imma be straight up. I have not shot yet.

Marquis, shoot me tonight. Show your surface levelness.

I’ll shoot tonight as well.

I’ll tell Gobbledygook who I’m shooting in my neighborhood so he can confirm it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Long story short: I've been unsure of everything this game until FL got a lot LOT scummier feeling like he was cornered today first by pops and now by me. And taking a step back, I think the simplest solution that FL intentionally fakeclaimed as scum to mislynch the vig and get away with it off of meta is the right one.

This is literally his entire stance for this game.

Bingle, you better have a damn good reason for thinking this is town outside of setup spec.

[Flavor Leaf]

Because Marquis’ has had terrible incredibly surface level play this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

With little original thought, and no town agenda.

I mislynched Pelican tunnel, sure, but that brought a lot of strong conversation into the game, and it made it so him and I didn’t have to cross kill, which would have been stupid.

[Flavor Leaf]

So Bingle, I’m expecting you to protect me here, because there’s absolutely zero way you scum read me here as town.

I have given up on trying to actively find scum, i just keep getting chopped at no matter where I go and I honestly don’t have a clue where scum is, so I’m relying on you to go anyone except JJD.

Hell, let’s kill JJD for all I care. If he flips scum, I’m cleared.

[Flavor Leaf]

If he flips town, the surface levels amongst us have nothing they can push there either.

[Flavor Leaf]

Long story short: I've been unsure of everything this game until FL got a lot LOT scummier feeling like he was cornered today first by pops and now by me. And taking a step back, I think the simplest solution that FL intentionally fakeclaimed as scum to mislynch the vig and get away with it off of meta is the right one.

Yet another reason this is trash is because surface level Marquis said “the simplest solution”

It’s never the simplest solution when I am scum. Ever.

The catchphrase:

I’m too good to be scum here. Simple...as...that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve also had a strong town game here and helped town elicit a lot of conversation.

That’s how I work. That’s the strength of townFL. Even if I’m not the one catching scum, I will bring enough conversation into the game to create a scenario where scum goes down.

And alas, we have 2 scum down.

You’re welcome.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL I think you could be scum because while I don't see a ton of scum motivation I see literally no town motivation in your earlygame play.

On a real note, Chennisden is actually probably scum with this post. This takes zero blame, and helps push through my mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have 2 competing theories about that. One is that flavor is lying.

Oh, look, scum even tried discrediting me way early

[Flavor Leaf]

Why cant scum be a miller? In a theme game based on gimmicks?

Oh look, Pisskop trying to open up scum in the miller threads

[Flavor Leaf]

yea I 100 dont buy 2 viggles in a game like this, nor accept RCE counterclaiming vig from boon. sounds like one of those rash things I was mentioning.

Oh look. A double mislynch setup by pisskop

[Flavor Leaf]

You claimed miller
FL says he knows you cant be a miller because your info does not match his
You said something about the hood affecting your infos
Nobody has come forward to collaborate this?"

Oh look, the adding of the fuel to the fire for the double mislynch and to make sure the 1v1 continues

[Flavor Leaf]

]VOTE: bingle
lets fucking kick this guys ass

pedit: hmm i think ceph is playing kond of dofferent so far tbh

Oh look, an early comment on ceph’s play. Interesting.

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

i still dont understand why anyone is assuming FL is trueclaiming.

have you played with FL before?

idk if i believe FL?

do you believe pelican though
is probably the more interesting question?

What do you think about the application of this to Bingle?

is there something specific that Bingle said in relation to this?
from what i can tell it looks like hes considered the possibility of flavor fakeclaiming here.

He is casting lots of shade on the idea that townFL could be fakeclaiming here.
The townFL I have played with could be fakeclaiming here.

its probably worthwhile to poke at what Bingle's experiences with scumFL vs townFL are.
i dont think its improbable for townBingle to have that opinion.

im gonna say pops and fl are scum

this is just a guess

based on what specifically though?

and to be clear i think "i dont think flavor would fakeclaim as town" vs "i dont think flavor would fakeclaim like this as town" are two separate questions
where someone dancing in the former category is wayyyyyyyyyyy more questionable than the latter.

this game is very educational thank you professor boon

It's draining responding when most of what I'm getting back is "yeah this is scum" it's not conducive for any real discussion, even if it doesn't garner a townread on me. Most of the questions directed at me feel more like people looking for extra reasoning to scumread me and not genuinely engage me.

but you think that most of the people calling you scum are scum
so why are you just responding to them and not pointing out why theyre scum?

i feel like its a pretty sweeping simplification of the situation to imply that theres no reason that town should scumread you when you are literally not trying to push anyone.
do you feel like people should be reading you as town here?

I didn't want to go ehh, FL town means scum are likely defending me or avoiding the lynch and influence what the wagon looks like.

im not sure i understand. are you saying you were trying to bait the rest of the wagon out before saying that you felt like scum would be sidelining if flavor is town?
wouldnt that mean that literally all of your reads are entirely circumstantial based on flavor and not based on people's specific play?

i realize im being a question machine right now
so forgive me if this is getting annoying

but can you walk through some specific reasoning as to why you think FL is scum here?
whats he doing that you think is specifically scum motivated/is unlikely to come from town him?
specific examples of posts would be ideal.

because FL might be fakeclaiming as town
there might be a scum roleblocker

if pelican is just scum its optimal to just lynch him

im back to thinking peli is scum.

whatever ill own the egg on my face if pelican is town.

is he l-2 right now?

will give him a chance to drop last will and testament before voting in case i counted votes wrong.

Wow, Gorkington had a lot to say about me tbh. And they also started to push Bingle when Pelican/Myself we’re getting pushed to cross kill.

Chenn’s probably Scum. Look at how he comments on the Fish slot, specifically in relation to the Kuribo vs Fish. He pushed it as “hopeful TvT”

[Flavor Leaf]

So Bingle, I’m expecting you to protect me here, because there’s absolutely zero way you scum read me here as town.

I spent most of the time I was on in the night phase arguing against you being vigged. I'll do the same tonight if Marquis wants to shoot you again.

For the record, I told Marquis to shoot JJD, or failing that, to holster. Because in my eyes shooting you or pops just brings us that much closer to the loss.

And yeah I have a reason for thinking the hood is all town. It's pretty solid imo. I'd be pretty down with you joining us so I can tell you without prying scumfucks listening in.

Noted.

I actually think Chennisden/JJD has a lot of scum equity together, tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

Maybe he has a bad memory.

I don’t remember where i played with him

Interesting! I think this makes FL town? (my LAW supersedes anyone else's reads)

Hmm. I may have gotten pocketed subconsciously pretty early.

Which checks out because I’m 3 for 3 with catching scumA50.

[Flavor Leaf]

OK.. so I now understand what Chandra is saying. Still, we are guaranteed no results from the parity cop on D2. This helmet really is keeping me from thinking straight.

Don’t like this.

[Flavor Leaf]

Town: kuribo, pops
Scum: fishmonger, dredd

Why is pops town? Why is Fish'er scum?

Ugggghhh....

A50, you had me in the pocket.

[Flavor Leaf]

He was actively buttering up and appealing to me because he knew I was a Vig and didn’t want to get shot, but he knew by town reading me directly and too hard, I’d get suspicious, so if you look back at our previous back and forth, he also had an off trajectory

I said OK, dammit! Let someone else speak

(And now you know why FL wasn't playing the game YET, because once he got the mic he assumes its his own property for good)

Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?

That's not how I see it.

What I see is FL is 100% TOWN here (and NOT lying about his role.. this has to do with how survivalistic FL is as scum).

PP is very likely caught scum, but not 100%. There's a slight chance of mod-fuckery here still.

But I do believe in lynching PP anyway now because I support gun control. (Yes, I do. ONLY JUDGES should have access to any kind of lethal weapon).

Yeah and I'm challenging the read. It's a read that doesn't take into account that FL is good at scum and just generally projects confidence

This is ofrhz knowing PP (the fake one ) is flipping town and is lining up FL for a mislynch.

i think i want this
VOTE: bingle

I can get behind that for now

VOTE: Bingle

Ugggh.

Yeah, It’s JJD-Chennis.

[Flavor Leaf]

idk if i believe FL?

This seems genuine and town genuine not scum genuine

[Flavor Leaf]

idk if i believe FL?

do you believe pelican though
is probably the more interesting question?

What do you think about the application of this to Bingle?

is there something specific that Bingle said in relation to this?
from what i can tell it looks like hes considered the possibility of flavor fakeclaiming here.

This seems like a ploy to get Croag on one of the wagons, actually.

I’m pretty comfortable with TownCroag, tbh, but I’m going to ISO her some more.

[Flavor Leaf]

croag
ive got an even better question than the question i asked you or the other question that you were never asked but answered before

its
who do you think is scum and who do you think is not scum
and even better than that
is why do you think that

Tbh it feels like he's avoiding to talk to me at all

he seems like the sort of person that would be difficult to extract any information from without insulting him
or threatening to lynch him

so maybe threaten to lynch him and call him dumb or something while doing that

i have no idea

im gonna say pops and fl are scum

this is just a guess

i missed a lot & missed peoples reactions

I don’t see scum ever doing this.

UNVOTE: Whoever I was voting, I think it was Pops slot still

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

VOTE: bingle

For some reason I’m getting scum vibes here

He seems to be speaking less than town!bingle

I know that’s meta but like eh

Also, I genuinely don’t get the thing with perry

I think it’s semantics
Like I can’t remember word for word my role pm and I wouldn’t want someone to hold it against me

so can someone explain to me definitively, why, perry is scum

the way it looks to me is he is a miller (which by defn appears as scum) and said this

and apparently... that makes him scum? does this mean the miller neighbourhood DONT appear as scum? otherwise whats the issue

wait lmao im even more confused

not that i dont want it but why is what im saying clearing me

it seems ive found the secret formula

Lmaoooooo someone please explain the scum read on me right now

U bantering

i want to trust in my hood

i dont think any of them are maf

can someone double confirm to me who has claimed what hood and who they are with please

sorry to be a pain

im looking at popsofctown today

Don’t.

Do it tomorrow.

Pops is confirmable.

why tomorrow? why not today?

You know what?

Why not just lynch Croag? I feel like it’s going to be that big of an issue, why the hell not just lynch Croag today? Does anybody town read the slot? Like, I am not scum reading them by any means, but if croag’s town, they’re gonna be mislynched eventually anyways. Let’s just vote them.

VOTE: Croag

scummiest post ive ever read

>not scum reading them
>lets just lynch them anyway

lmao

Oh and im 50% sure chenn is scum

I'm not sure how many scum there are though?

popping in here, quickly browing the last 3-4 pages, throwing out some unreadable responses......not exactly allowing us to sort you either.

Youre not playing the game. You dont have any reads. You dont make any statements that allow us to read you.

Either its a strategy, or you should just not be playing (because youre not).

How do you propose we deal with your slot croag?

i have read the entire thread & just now read all pages from when i last was here.

I have already given my reads.

The entirety of my hood is town. That is my read and that is something I have already posted in here. Just because everyone else was saying the same thing, apparently, does not make it any less valid that it is coming from me.

I have voted for pops. That is one of my reads for a scum slot.

If you want other reads from me, I think DOL and JJD are scum.

Theres some reads, enjoy.

considering no one is helping me out

ive just read every post where hood was mentioned

can someone confirm to me if i have this right


{
Vecna
Marquis
Bingle
}

{
Croag
Penguin
Chandra
Kagami
}

{
Pops
FL
Perry - vig? town and dead
}

{
JJD
OFRHZ
DOL
Chenn
}

I haven't been able to sort Pine, Fish or Kuribo. I'm not sure what
Teenage Troublemaker
Self-Proclaimed Anarchist
Laboratory Technician
means and what hood that implies they are in

why is there 17 players? was there one hood with 5 in?

Kuribo, Fish and Pine were apparently together in a hood.

For all we know, Kuribo was actually a suicide bomber and just exploded on Fish.

Heck, I actually like that idea, it fits somewhat with self-proclaimed anarchist flavour, and at least that would somehow explain why he suddenly went and claimed the way he did (after making up his mind he was 100% gonna explode on Fish).

I probably couldnt be further from the truth, but I wouldve liked that to actually have been what happened.

makes sense

fsr i just thought it was 4, 4, 4, 4, (1) because mine is a 4

You know, a lot of these just scream NAI or slightly townie, but when putting them all together, I’m lock towning this slot. No more ISO necessary for Croag.

I also really liked the 50% Chen scum read they had, which actually makes me feel more comfortable about my ChennScum solve.

[Flavor Leaf]

Chandra
Kagami
Penguin
Judge Joseph
Possible pops?

Have at least one scum in them likely

I was already correct with this. Possibly one more, and like, JJD.

PP i’m ISO’ing right now, and I honestly feel like he’d have pushed me harder if he were scum, or would currently be on me even if he’s VLA.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ofhrz
Vecna
D1 Lynch
Gorkington/chenn
Croag
Bingle
Marquis

Probably contain at least 2 scum since Fish is flipped scum on wagon.

Will gladly lynch Bingle or ofrhz, and I won't fight against a Croag lynch either but I don't have a read either way on him (since he hardly said anything on D1)

Hmm. I guess so could have flipped it.
Very interesting that the entirety of this list makes up the entirety of the playerlist minus myself, Gobbledygook, and Penguin.

I think that clears the 3 of us.

However, I do only think there is one scum in this list now, and this is another point against Chennis.

[Flavor Leaf]

Chandra
Kagami
Penguin
Judge Joseph
Possible pops?

Have at least one scum in them likely

It's not me nor PP and unlikely to be pops

Scum wanted Kagami dead here, didn’t they?

[Flavor Leaf]

Bingle/D1L is probably where I’m still leaning.

Gut is screaming, screaming, screaming Chandar. I go in and out of town reading/scum reading then

Yay. Another point in the FL gut for the win column.

Also, right prior to this, JJD was commenting in a way to say Pops/Bingle was TVS, so a double mislynch string.

[Flavor Leaf]

Really, were going to vca scum into arbitrary piles now? Can we not waste our time on such pointless exercises?

AWESOME!!!

This means my VCA is likely pretty decent.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bingle/D1L is probably where I’m still leaning.

Gut is screaming, screaming, screaming Chandar. I go in and out of town reading/scum reading then

I am fully against a D1L wagon. In fact him & chenn are TRs for me

Well, you’re probably wrong with one of those.

If Bingle flips scum, you’re scum with one of those.

IT’S SOLVED!!!

THE GAME IS DONE!

Yay!!!!!!!!

I knew something was up with JJD back then, especially in regards to Bingle.

I made a connection between JJD and Chen earlier, but it was too soon to be so specific. D1L I guess has a little scum equity, but I genuinely think D1L is town now.

Let’s go JJD/Chennis today

[Flavor Leaf]

If Bingle flips town*

OH!!! Oh my god!

I had it correct there!

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf your reads are terrible

If Bingle flips town*

OK, that's a bit better.. but still.. 2 scums with a 1-shot unknown sanity Doctor?? REALLY??

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!

He also said that if there is one scum in his neighborhood, it’s ofrhz, and played with D1L and cleared him and Chen.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've given a few reads in the doc PT and here they are:

PP town
pops/Bingle scum
-
Pine leantown
-
townread on JJD, idc if it's controversial

Wooooooooootttt

[Flavor Leaf]

Well ok JJD is town that's not a bad read

Pops your reads feel really easy

I’m gonna stop pretty soon, I’m just continuing my reread.

I’m pretty happy with this solve.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think there's scum in pops/bingle

This is definitely the scum play to make

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

I just don’t see 2 scum within that neighborhood

Combination of everything

I also don't see it being an all town PT. That'd be absurd.

Bingle/D1L is probably where I’m still leaning.

Gut is screaming, screaming, screaming Chandar. I go in and out of town reading/scum reading then

Do I already have to quote the post or are you backing down from that now.

Do you do this on purpose as both alignments or something so that no one can expect to pin you down to any opinion ever?

Really, were going to vca scum into arbitrary piles now? Can we not waste our time on such pointless exercises?

Like I said, this is probably scum.

My VCA isn’t like normal VCA.

I’m the docta of wagonomics.

Okay chucklefuck, listen up.

This is always the shit people give me and I am beyond over it. Every one of you colored votecount hugging geniuses thinks you have 600 IQ and no one else understands coloring in vote counts as well as you.

I spend every game complaining about this and you all react the same way. This knee jerk bullshit that I must be scum discrediting you because you're so brilliant and totally onto me.

It is just completely divorced from reality. I have had this pointless conversation in every game I've played since goddamn well 2014 or whenever every new guy who thinks hes solved this game started turning mod posts red and green all the time. I have the fucking receipts. I have a wall of quotes from myself saying it in every game as every alignment and smashing my stupid head against the wall because this "tactic" is so. Frustrating.

Am I just some relic, nostalgic for bygone days when we played mafia and judged players on their words and their actions rather than try to make a numbers game out of something that at its core defies numbers? You bet I am. I know these posts I'm making dont accomplish anything. I'm not town here thinking I'm gonna change the ways of anyone who thinks they're the hottest thing since isaac newton invented calculus. I'm not scum here thinking that screaming into the void about it is somehow going to make anyone townread me. Im just a dude who's frustrated that after all the time I've watched people do this, they never learn. They just keep on going pretending they can reduce a game of social deception, that's interesting and has layers, to a math problem. If you want to shuffle some numbers around, go take an algebra class. Shitting up the thread with rainbow player names and bar deductions based on the idea that scum would never vote together or whatever the fuck is basically offensive to anyone who thinks this game is or should be should be fun or interesting.

In conclusion, bite me.

Y'all. Can I please implore you to stop assuming there cant be two scum in one neighborhood. I dont want to lose the game to your crappy setup spec if I die and the mod felt even MILDLY tricksy.

We just solved the ga-ame.

We just solved the ga-ame.

We just solved the ga-ame. I wonder what they’ll say!

[Flavor Leaf]

This is true as a genera; aspect. However, we/I are/am not doing it blindly. I am considering powers too. Like, what do you think are the chances for a mod to put 0/1/2/3 unkillable scums in a 17-players setup?? What if you know there ARE 3 players that cannot be killed at night? OK, how about a 1-shot Doctor with unknown sanity? Would you be giving TWO scums those roles, given the other powers already outed?

I dont believe they are truly unkillable. Otherwise a lone scum would concede to two town bulletproofs.

Yes, I would be fine putting two scum in the doc hood. Especially if one of them were the CPR doctor.

You're aware that we are 1-shot docs, right?

Yes. So what? I dont understand.

This is not a S/S interaction.

[Flavor Leaf]

Time for more moon!logic:

pops is scum. FL said he would be shooting FM. pops told her scum buddies and one is in our hood. They decided to protect their buddy. FL actually didn't shoot and the doctor turned out to be the CPR doctor. I dunno where Kagami's confidence FL didn't shoot FM fits here.

The main weakness of this theory is I don't SR pops anymore.

Oh.

This is hilarious.

This isn’t moon logic, this is what happened besides the “pops told scum buddies” thing because that’s a comment to make Pops scum equity raise whilst not taking the blame and kind of a WK and looks good on a Pops town flip.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bingle, I have question to you - does your multivote is tied to number of live vigs?

Oh, lol.

Doesn’t this raise scum equity in Marquis, though, because of Kuribo’s Mafia Vigilante knowledge?

[Flavor Leaf]

Lynching you is pretty reasonable

Why

Why not?

What have they done that would make it unreasonable to you?

If you want a case I may even provide one, though I'm not sure what the point is when no one cares what I think.

Actually you know what I don't like the DOL slot that much

But yeah I want an outline sort of

VOTE: Chennisden

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm okay with Kagami

Just like half of the playerlist (at least)

Who else you consider for a lynch today besides Pop and Bingle?

I guess FL isn't happening, so I'd be ok with Chandra, maybe Kagami, Croag should just eat a bullet from a vig (I'm not scumreading that slot, but I'd rather not waste lynch there down the line)

2439 was @this post

town's noise and collective dissonance is making it way too fucking easy for scum to hide and do nothing

I agree with this, but there are other players I suspect are more likely to be maliciously lurking than Croag

I'm reminded that Fish basically successfully lurked his wagon out - maybe he observed how well it was working for his buddies

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll be that guy. I’ll be the one to take responsibility for it if they flip town. That would be 2 on me. Why not?

Is anyone really thinking about this when they vote, a side from scum?

, it feels like this town is very hungry for lurker blood.

Really? Pine, PP and Croag have barely been pressured at all.

Man, they’re really spewing the game state to the townies.

I’d rather Chennis than Jjd today, because Marquis can just shoot JJD, and I’ll join the neighborhood with y’all.

[Flavor Leaf]

Marquis, Vecna, Bingle are probably masons that have a post restriction that they can’t claim they are masons, and joining into the neighborhood i’ll be able to see they are masons, though.

Which is why they’re all caffeinated, meaning there’s 4 caffeinated alive players.

Meaning the CPR doctor is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Because there’s no other way Fish Monger could have died.

This actually conf towns me as well, I believe.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hm, promise of valuable info or 1 less annoying slot to deal, that's a tough choice to make. You can die for all I care, unless you start giving us actual content to read you

P-Edit: it's hard to believe that you have read thread, when you ask who is in what hood, also, someone asked you why you townread all of your hood, but I think you decided to ignore that, you calim to read all thread after all

She is giving content right now. Let's hope that continues instead of botching about it.

I think this is the post of someone afraid their free lynch might slip away.

Reading is virtue, my young padavan - I wanted Croag to be vigged, I'm against Croag's lynch today, I might consider it tommorow, if Croag isn't vigged though

i really dont need to be vigged

just saying

You’re cute when you’re townie.

[Flavor Leaf]

Reading the Flavor Leaf iso is most similar to which of the following:
A) Looking through a kaleidoscope
B) Tripping on acid
C) Reading the diary of a schizophrenic
D) All of the above

And we live in an abandoned warehouse together, turkey.

[Flavor Leaf]

2 vigs and that CPR doc that is also a 1shot vig......

Vecna, please stop this. The CPR isn't a Vig. They don't know they're the CPR Doctor until after the fact, or if all other 3 flipped already. Only then can they be a Vig. Like, if I wanted to kill Croag I wouldn't be able to do it because I could be in fact protecting her. If I wanted to protect you I can'r because I could be killing you in reality. NO ONE KNOWS THEIR SANITY IN OUR HOOD.

Except, i think it’s fairly obvious that scum are in fact informed of which doc they are in the hood, if not, they just took the risk to save Pisskop.

That’s where the 4th caffeinated comes from.

Scum absolutely knew I didn’t shoot.

Meaning people, like JJD, who were acting like I did shoot Fish gain a lot more scum equity.

Pops/D1L instantly gain even more town equity.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bingle claimed caffeinated-at-game-start.

Wait! All 3 are caffeinated now??? IF that's true then I am "half willing" to buy they are all town, as that takes care of the "3 unkillable townies" dilemma for me.

I can just picture A50 figuring everything and spammposting in his mafia pt now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, I can "assume" Yes is the answer from ofrhz/D1L/Marquis/Bingle, but I don't want to be putting words in their mouths.

You know, with unkillable hood being addicted, I'm worried to lynch in our hood now - scum has more reasons to kill us and I'd rather not help them, if I'm wrong on you

That’s because there’s 100% scum in there that they haven’t. Likely multiple.

Also, is anyone going to come and play with me? I think I have a real solve here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Are we reading the same game?

pls tell me why i'm an idiot instead of just insinuating it!

He's sheeping you when you're in his top scumreads.

He cared about the viability of the Kagami wagon rather than his play.

He's not scumreading me even though I mislynched a vig and he's scumread me every TvT game we've ever played.

He is now wagoning onto Day 1 Lynch even though I don't remember him ever mentioning the player before naked voting him.

He's transitioning to town on your slot today even though you played townier day 1 than today.

He presumably (?) shot his day 1 townread.

How is this a player that believes in his pushes?

He's sheeping you when you're in his top scumreads.

He cared about the viability of the Kagami wagon rather than his play.

He's not scumreading me even though I mislynched a vig and he's scumread me every TvT game we've ever played.

He is now wagoning onto Day 1 Lynch even though I don't remember him ever mentioning the player before naked voting him.

He's transitioning to town on your slot today even though you played townier day 1 than today.

He presumably (?) shot his day 1 townread.

How is this a player that believes in his pushes?

i'm talking about pelican mostly, i just felt that.

this is pretty much fair, the dude is erratic as hell obviously

I needed this. This is likely also not a S/S interaction.

I’m trying to really cross all possibilities, in case my solve is wrong. I want to see where I’d be going wrong. The trio has something that they know they are all town or something or they’d be fighting against each other. Seems like their neighborhood is supposed to control the game and the decision making process, and that’s why they have multiple votes. They’re pointless to kill because of the already caffeinated, and scum can still mislynch within them, but they have absolutely no way of confirming their townieness without anyone going into their neighborhood.

Scum might even know about them being masons and them getting pushed can come from any of the other townies and scum alike, causing confusion.

[Flavor Leaf]

JJD is town. I’d like you to make a scumcase against him if you’re going to convince me.

Uhm....you wanna just read the last three pages...? Lol.

Why don’t you make a town case for him? I was the biggest JJD supporter earlier, but I feel like I was pocketed now, for many of the interactions posted.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL I think you could be scum because while I don't see a ton of scum motivation I see literally no town motivation in your earlygame play.

On a real note, Chennisden is actually probably scum with this post. This takes zero blame, and helps push through my mislynch.

I'm more inclined to believe Marquis when you make posts like these.

Then you won’t like he rest of your catchup.

[Flavor Leaf]

Alright, here's the deal:

I want each and every player here to state whether they would be willing to vote me today or not.

I'll keep the list public for ease:


[*]ofrhz
[*]PenguinPower
[*]Croag
[*]Pine
[*]Kagami
[*]Bingle
[*]Day One Lynch
[*]Vecna
[*]chennisden
[*]Marquis
[*]popsofctown
[*]Chandra Nalaar
[*]Flavor Leaf

no way

i think kagami is a better lynch today

Kgamai's iteractions wit croag are bad like in a way that could be kagami/croag but like kagami is more scummy

i do think croag would have the general unawareness to scumread me as scum so that doesnt make me tr her

the fact she's playing is a plus

Fine by me

VOTE: kagami

VOTE: kagami

Kagami is saying a bunch of obvious things and then hinting at some little things prolly in an effort to stay alive because "ooh we can get info if we let him live" or something

[Flavor Leaf]

You really have to push every avenue, don't you?

Only as town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fish flipped Ninja Watcher.

Show me where that was said. I now believe this is a scumslip of the TMI type. HOW do you know Fish was a Watcher??

WOW OMG I REALLY SHOULD HAVE READ THE END OF THE DAY PHASE!!!!

This is 100% ScumJJD calling out his own partner’s scum slip for town creed, because you kinda gotta.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why don’t you make a town case for him?

That’s not really how any of this works. All you did in the last page was flip flop on like 4 people.

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=80170

Check out Day 2 and tell me if that’s not how that works.

I’m Pretentious.

[Flavor Leaf]

Chews on popcorn

You lovely townie fuck

[Flavor Leaf]

We are not killing FL or JJD today. So we should probably stop wasting effort on lynching those people.

I’m on Chennis.

[Flavor Leaf]

If my mason theory is correct, I’ll bring up Thanksgiving tomorrow after I join the Bingle group.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah please don't hammer before I take another look at the Pine wagon

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

Yeah please don't hammer before I take another look at the Pine wagon

It was Vecna (2 cites), Marquis and I

I could be wrong on Marquis town tbh

Someone in Chandra's hood should claim all information that is publicly known in their hood

Uh that's completely pointless today because everyone's gonna say no because well chandra slipped

Someone in Chandra's hood should claim all information that is publicly known in their hood

^^ I second that notion

P-edit: Tomorrow then.. or the day after. I'm just keeping a record for "when it does count".

That is my Cliffnotes on what to do as a 1-shot doc (or as any uncaffenated PR)

the NK is quite obvious but ok

Convo after Chandra slip

[Flavor Leaf]

I also imagine town would bring up catching the slip, scum stay hidden because they want someone else to

[Flavor Leaf]

So this is a 1v1 between vecna/marquis & kagami now

Nice

@Bingle - lol

[Flavor Leaf]

I will repeat:

Chandra claims to have acted (most likely lying)
Kagami claims to have acted
PP claims to have acted
JJD claims to have acted
Vecna claims to be already caffeinated from the start
Marquis was hinted (by Vecna) to have acted
"unknown Vig" may or may nor have acted

That's SEVEN bloody caffeinated slots. The Mod says only 4.

Well, actually, this confirms JJD or PP as 100% scum.

@Turkey - what do you have to say about that?

Pp, JJD both claimed to have acted N1. The three reflexive players are already caffeinated.

We only have 4 alive players, meaning one of PP or JJD is scum. This is a direct 1v1.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hi taking posts out of context, I am chennisden.

I could be wrong on you, but i just caught out a liar in JJD or PP. Thoughts?

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: ChennisUNVOTE:

I might be town reading you again

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: ChennisUNVOTE:

I might be town reading you again

UNVOTE: Chennis

[Flavor Leaf]

Ugh.

UNVOTE: Chennis

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I actually don’t see why JJD would claim an action there as scum. Hmm. I’ll look for a reason. I don’t think I’m wrong on both of you.

[Flavor Leaf]

But you said you did act on N1!!!

Also, Kagami died, yet we still have 4 caffeinated players, so someone who didn't act on N1 acted on N2.

Penguins are envious of Great Danes with harlequin coats as penguins are just black and white.

Also, Kagami died, yet we still have 4 caffeinated players, so someone who didn't act on N1 acted on N2.

Me.

No I didn't.

We were supposed to all act, but I didn't because Croag never confirmed.

Kagami said I did, but I didn't want to correct him in the open for reasons, but I did in 2876 via code and then again in the PT last night.

I think PP could be outed scum. Hmm...

Because there still should be 5 caffeinated.

A50 is confirmed to having acted N1, which actually still gives him high high scum equity for potentially cpr doctoring his partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would like for FL to do something non-FL-like and actually claim if he has been the vig shots. Full claim. No lies. No misdirection.

Fully. I have reasons.

Hmm...scum would know i didn’t shoot, though

[Flavor Leaf]

Marquis is town or will be hard guiltied today. He's a friendly neighbor variant who notifies anyone who joins our hood. We are in fact notified when someone joins the hood. I'm fairly certain there is 1 scum in the cops and one scum in the BP/Doc hoods balance wise. The scum in the cops is probably the sane cop.

Flavor and pops are both town by setup in my eyes.

VOTE: JJD Proving one more day of not voting normally, then unvoting.

[Flavor Leaf]

My Chandar paranoia was correct, I think my D1L is too

I still lean D1L town, but the lynch pool today should 100% be my hood/doc hood.

Of those names, Marquis is off the table 100% unless someone comes into the thread with a guilty on him. I tr Vec and D1L. I want to lynch JJD with all of my hearts. All like 7 of them, but that pool is definitely where we should be lynching today, despite the fact that purely from a balance perspective, one of Croag/PP should be scum.

Why your hood? Why isn’t vecna 100%?

D1L, Chennis, Jjd, Orfhz have a scum in it, i don’t think it’s D1L or Orfhz. But this also probably does have 2 scum in it, right?

Ugh, one of the doc/cop definitely do, unless Gobb is just actually scum.

Actually...

It might be one of doc hood and Gobb...

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf is scum or very antitown.

If he shot Pine, he falsely softed one-shot which is maybe ok but more importantly, he shot Pine
If he shot Kagami, I suggested that I wanted to Friendly Neighbor Kagami because she was scummy and unlikely to be nightkilled, and scum are obligated to report a Friendly Neighbor message, because if they don't it sets up a 1v1. So that just makes him a scum vig who falsely softed 1-shot.

Even if he is wtfbbqsauce vanilla town fakeclaiming vigilanted day 1 because he feels really sure about Pelican and sticking with it, it is antitown to out my role today
Even if he has no killing power it is suspicious for a scummy person who would have been able to confirm me as town to die.

I am not hardclaiming whether I finally decided to FN Kagami vs. not act at all. But Kagami was listed above all other players. It was not even a pool of players.

I only claimed in the neighborhood because he threatened to shoot me N1, while stating he townreads me. He unfortunately has enough moonlogic that I couldn't rule that out from a town variant of him so I claimed. That itself was antitown.

There's a difference between antitown and scummy sometimes.

But Chandra waffling on his slot was scummy for him for sure.

This post debunks my gob theory, at least for the reasons I thought. If Pops had claimed to have FN’d Kagami, that’d be a guilty on Pops.

[Flavor Leaf]

but i really think jjd is like, only ever scumw ith fl.

Hmm...town readJJD hard but was pushing me as scum.

Also, holy fuck, after my reread, i was so out of itthis game

[Flavor Leaf]

ey if u ever lynch the person i know is town i will b on it

Classic Croag, as subtle as a giraffe in a doll house.

Just like town croag in Guns N’ Roses.

Croag joined the trio, picked that up a while ago, nows just the time to say it i guess.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ugh,i don’t know. I’m missing something.im back to Chennis/jjd. Pp is somewhere around there.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think I want to trust Pine on PP.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hmm, Debunked because Day 2 he had 3 votes still

[Flavor Leaf]

Hmm, Debunked because Day 2 he had 3 votes still

Bingle started with 4, Perry dead and that's -1 vote, D2 Bingle had 3. But he said they just lose a vote every day phase. I was just curious how Bingle knew there was 3 vigs D2 and made some theory

Also, why you so confident that JJD actually acted N1? I said in our hood last night that you shouldn't take such claims from JJD at face value and he agreed that it's in his gambit range

PP claimed to act N2 today, so that's too a bit off in your analysis

I brought this up. If JJD didnt act Night 1, then where’s the extra caffeinated player? Why haven’t they countered because it’s be a direct counter claim.

PP stated they acted Night 1, yet nothing happened. At the present time, that is a PP scum slip because there wasn’t an additional caffeinated to account for.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, after Chandra gunning for our hood and saying we have 2 scum, I really doubt 2 scums are in here

Why? Chandra’s already confirmed to bus with Fish Monger.

There is at least 1, though.

If PP is scum, then it’s probably not JJD.

[Flavor Leaf]

The hidden code they stated was off as well.

PP stated early Day 3 he did act too.

[Flavor Leaf]

I will repeat:

Chandra claims to have acted (most likely lying)
Kagami claims to have acted
PP claims to have acted
JJD claims to have acted
Vecna claims to be already caffeinated from the start
Marquis was hinted (by Vecna) to have acted
"unknown Vig" may or may nor have acted

That's SEVEN bloody caffeinated slots. The Mod says only 4.

Here’s the 7.

Chandra, Kagami, PP, JJD, Vecna, Marquis, unknown Vig

Chandra is scum, let’s cut them out.
Vig was false, that didn’t happen. Cut them out.
Vecna, Marquis, Bingle are all caff’d from beginning.

Leaves Kagami, PP, and JJD.

Did Kagami target Night 1? They targeted Fish Monger and got an innocent, which was incorrect. They were killed.
We know this was true.

Meaning Day 2 the Caffeinated were the 3 of the unkillables and Kagami.

PP and JJD were both lying.

Kagami then dies, yet the 4th is still there the next day, PP said he acted.

JJD is caught out scum? That all checks out.

[Flavor Leaf]

There are 0 living players who are currently

addicted to caffeine

.

Wait, I thought they all started as caffeinated. Why is this 0? Hmm

[Flavor Leaf]

PP claims to act N2, not N1, I don't see problem there. He never claimed to act N1, he simply didn't denied assumption that he acted N1 and it's smart, scum wouldn't consider him as a target, if they think he already used his ability

Have you played with town A50? I'm really curious why you so hung up on fact that he isn't lying about acting N1. I've seen him flipping his claim as town in the past, so I take that as a NAI

Also I see you finally noticed that there was 0 people caffeinated at the start

This has already been discussed. It doesn’t matter.

Day 3 has 4 caffeinated.

Bingle
Vecna
Marquis
PP
JJD

Like drop Night 1 from your mind. It’s still accurate.

[Flavor Leaf]

I will repeat:

Chandra claims to have acted (most likely lying)
Kagami claims to have acted
PP claims to have acted
JJD claims to have acted
Vecna claims to be already caffeinated from the start
Marquis was hinted (by Vecna) to have acted
"unknown Vig" may or may nor have acted

That's SEVEN bloody caffeinated slots. The Mod says only 4.

Well, actually, this confirms JJD or PP as 100% scum.

@Turkey - what do you have to say about that?

Pp, JJD both claimed to have acted N1. The three reflexive players are already caffeinated.

We only have 4 alive players, meaning one of PP or JJD is scum. This is a direct 1v1.

I don’t think that contradicts the 4 people alive. The unknown vig is Marquis so that’s 6. Chandra and Kagami are dead so that’s 4.

Why are your reads so mercurial?

This is wrong.

He claimed the Vig from N2, not N1.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like straight up. People just play at a surface level their entire lives and can’t see past :shrug:

seriously, enough of this bullshit.

this playerlist is good enough to catch way better scumplayers than you.

If youre town, show it by playstyle, not "because youd be so omega-awesome youd never get in this position" as scum.

Lol, disagree.

I honestly can’t even name a current better scum player than me, so this is just surface level from you right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Really, were going to vca scum into arbitrary piles now? Can we not waste our time on such pointless exercises?

AWESOME!!!

This means my VCA is likely pretty decent.

I dno, this is again starting to feel desperate

Which proves you are surface level with no accurate measurement of my scum play meaning all your comments on anything related to skill level is irrelevant because you talk whilst uneducated.

And i have a super chill demeanor with these past few pages. You’re just throwing desperate in to throw the word in, which is again, surface level of you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, you didn't answered, why you so sure about JJD acting N1?

Until he confirms, I’m going to go through like he has. That’s on him to discern it, not me.

Croag was said to not have acted. They’d have acted N2, I guess if they got into the.

Also I’d like to point out the immense amount of communication and analysis I’m bringing to the game.

Even if I am incorrect, it is healthy for the town. Which is another reason why Vecna is surface level.

[Flavor Leaf]

Who was his target?

I actually feel like I remember him specifically stating he didn’t claim his target.

I think he accidentally killed Fish, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

I came clean with all my other stuff, it’s time for everyone to do the same if they’ve been lying.

I only do that fake claim stuff early game. It all comes out when it’s time to solve.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hmm.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pelly Perican is a dead Vig.

And D1L makes a lot of sense with that actually. I like that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hmm

[Flavor Leaf]

Hmm

Yeah I know it’s hard to bus but it’s game over for you

Oh, nah, I’m too good to be scum this game. This is just proven post game.

I’m like laughably town right now, and scum are forced to accept I’m not getting lynched, and if I do, it’s a fluke because of some tunnel surface level townie.

A solve’s on the way. I may go back and forth like 50 more times, but it’s progressing towards a solve. All part of the process.

[Flavor Leaf]

Despite JJD's best efforts scummiest person is FL now

Which is exactly why I’m conftown.

Scum know I’m only pushable if townies are bad.

Orfhz is town. We lynch on the Orfhz wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Screw it.

I’m Coming into your PT, Bingle.

VOTE: Orfhz

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, fuck me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I killed Gook.

I expected Marquis to shoot me, I had a giant write up in my neighborhood expecting it to go public when I was dead explaining why D1L was scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

JJD/Chennis. Going back to my solve.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bingle, if you’re scum, good job, i think you’re town, but there’s a paranoia.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, if Croag/PP are town, Vecna/Marquis/Bingle are town, it’s gotta be Chennis/JJD.

That being said, Vecna/Marquis/Bingle don’t all have to be town, this the team is likely one of JJD/Chennis and one of Vecna/Marquis/Bingle

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t necessarily think it’s Vecna either.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m gonna be so annoyed when it’s JJD/Bingle.

I’ve been paranoid about that for a while now

[Flavor Leaf]

JJD/PP/Croag/Marquis/FL

Are the 5 caffeinated meaning Bingle, Vecna, Chennisden aren’t.

I think it’s confirmed there’s no more than 1 scum within them, or else this game would be over because scum get a Night kill tonight and still win even if both scum die.

Which confirms at least one scum is in JJD/PP/Marquis/Croag.

That means we have to hit the scum within those 4 today, meaning we need to pick through JJD/Marquis, honestly we just go JJD.

Tomorrow we have to choose correctly from Bingle/Vecna/Chennisden, and in theory, if scum is in there, they don’t need to kill, because they just have to get a mislynch tomorrow, which is a 2 in 3 chance.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m caffeinated now, so please shoot me

[Flavor Leaf]

@Marquis - I’m assuming Bingle convinced you not to shoot me? I think that’s potentially scum indicative, because now look at the situation we’re in.

I have insanely high scum equity and insanely high probability of being the lynch today, which loses the game for town.

My theory is Bingle set that situation up alongside JJD. They both hard town read me, and pushed at each other for a long time, but never really had anything come of it.

With those 2 as scum, nobody should defend me either. So my mislynch wins the game for scum, because they get to go into this night with 2 scum left.

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Pretty sure this very situation almost rules out FL and bingle from being scum together. It wouldve been game over with the information they would posses.

Marquis suddenly stated at the end of night he had been lying yet again. He before claimed compulsive N1/2/3 vig, now he stated it was only 2 shots.

Im not really sure what to think of this game anymore.

I think that’s checks out. Honestly, he’s probably just 1 shot.

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I pushed pretty hard on bingle in the hood during the night. I was very suspicious of him trying to promote FL joining us and getting caffeinated for nothing whatsoever.

The fact it suddenly didnt happen is.....meh, whatever.

Who do you think is scum in the 5 caffeinated? We have to hit the scum in there today. Unless we’re absolutely positive we can hit the scum in you, Bingle, Chennis, if there even is one.

We just know for a fact there’s at least 1 scum in the caffeinated.

Again, PP/Croag kind of seem like obvtown at this point unless one of them popping off.

Marquis *could be scum, but I see him like townMastina right now.

Which leaves JJD (I’m there still for you guys technically)

If I were scum, my only potential partners leftover would be Marquis, Chennisden, Vecna.

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i still get the feeling from your posts you know stuff youre not supposed to know FL

Yeah, I’m just next level. It’s a blessing and a curse.

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I told Gobbledygook Iw as actually a 1-shot activatable BP testing if he was scum. I really was feeling like he was gonna flip scum.

I feel bad now, because he said he started to town read me.

He called me “crazy as cluck”

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I singlehandedly took out my entire neighborhood essentially by myself.

That’s town self destruction

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i still get the feeling from your posts you know stuff youre not supposed to know FL

Yeah, I’m just next level. It’s a blessing and a curse.

I’m hyper intelligent but I’m a derpfuck

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I pushed pretty hard on bingle in the hood during the night. I was very suspicious of him trying to promote FL joining us and getting caffeinated for nothing whatsoever.

The fact it suddenly didnt happen is.....meh, whatever.

Who do you think is scum in the 5 caffeinated? We have to hit the scum in there today. Unless we’re absolutely positive we can hit the scum in you, Bingle, Chennis, if there even is one.

We just know for a fact there’s at least 1 scum in the caffeinated.

Again, PP/Croag kind of seem like obvtown at this point unless one of them popping off.

Marquis *could be scum, but I see him like townMastina right now.

Which leaves JJD (I’m there still for you guys technically)

If I were scum, my only potential partners leftover would be Marquis, Chennisden, Vecna.

I think PP is one of the scum at this point. Dude has done absolutely zero for anyone to get a read on him, unless you have some seriously deep rooted meta on his nonchalance playstyle.

The fact you state he's obv-town is really weird to me.

Also, im pretty sure my hoodmates can confirm im not scum with you.

I just don’t think there’s 2 scum in the cop hood. And I did a lot of analysis last night, mostly on Croag/D1L.

Croag potentially has an Inno on a Chennisden and Croag/PP had to have both cross confirmed it for this to be true, which I believe they did.

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However, if Croag is actually the Naive cop, that means PP could have lied about Chennisden’s thing

Meaning PP/Chennisden actually does hold a good amount of scum equity.

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Hmm.

PP/Chennisden
Bingle/JJD
JJD/Vecna

Seem like the most likely combinations for me, in that order right now.

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What are the results of the cops theyve gotten so far? Is there actually anything usefull in there at all?

No, they haven’t actually stated what it is, but caffeine limits, and their comments mean they definitely acted.

Croag acted like he KNEW Chennisden was a mislynch when I was pushing chenn, which is a big reason I started to town read a Chennis.

Insane Cop was Kagami, proven by the town result on Fish.

Paranoid was Chandra.

Leaves Naive and Sane. I don’t really think PP is Mafia Sane Cop, though.

And at this point, Chennisden has to be town if PP isn’t scum.

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@Croag - Can you full claim your action and result?

@JJD - you too

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Croag potentially has an Inno on a Chennisden

How do you figure this?

I spent all night looking over it, and he acted like he knew chennis would have been a mislynch.

Can you confirm who you targeted?

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VOTE: FL

Yeah, now that I know the FN claim was actually genuine, I dont really see why you would shoot that slot

I thought I was dying.

And he needed to die for the neighborhood to become public.

And he was a suspicious slot and hadn’t acted

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I tried getting shot because I planned on shooting Gobbledygook, so our PT would go public.

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im glad your mislynch of chenn got sorted out FL

if PP is scum then our confirm inno cop report is bollocks

@PP

There was a lot of comments Croag made that I felt specifically made sense to people who weren’t the target

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I tried getting shot because I planned on shooting Gobbledygook, so our PT would go public.

Why is this a good idea?

Because I thought Gook was scum and thought I had a good solve

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Croag/Pp. they are Sane and Naive.

They need to confirm the shot in their next post.

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I’m actually a confirmed Vigilante now, so it’s funny I’m getting voted

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Bingle is an idiot or scum.

FL - I have no idea how you picked up on the chenn thing and I somewhat don't believe it, but that requires Croag being scum.

We inno'd Chenn. Could quote the code, but it's obvious code and it means nothing without the table so...meh.

Last night Croag wanted to cop Vecna until I reminded they are reflexive roleablockers. We targeted D1L. I got town, but that obviously tells us nothing.

I'm tired and going to bed.

How else would I have gotten it?

I figure stuff like that all the time.

I have a confirmed vigilante kill, and the only unknowns are in the Bingle group.

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Not sure why I was checked of all people, but okay.

Gorkington probably

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I think that makes JJD the scum in the doc hood.

PP/Chennis I’m a little worried about still, but that’s the only combination that Chennis could be scum in.

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And PPscum doesn’t make Chennis scum.

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surface read is fl/bingle

Vecna said we’re specifically unable to be scum together, but I’m not entirely sure why.

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room for marquis/bingle

I thought about this, but like, this is really annoying if they’re scum.

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Really, were going to vca scum into arbitrary piles now? Can we not waste our time on such pointless exercises?

Like I said, this is probably scum.

My VCA isn’t like normal VCA.

I’m the docta of wagonomics.

I'm not a fan, but I don't think Chandra is scum.

Interesting.

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Chandra
Kagami
Penguin
Judge Joseph
Possible pops?

Have at least one scum in them likely

That's a very bad list, FL.

Pp’s first Day 2 post

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Hey I missed the past 2 days because I was bottomless brunching for my birthday yesterday lol

I’m at rehearsals today but I’ll be back later and take a read through

Croag’s

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We had arranged a code to communicate to each other in our first posts of the day. There was no discussion of targets overnight, everything was communicated in the open.

The first letter of the post indicated the target, the final punctuation indicated the result.

E ofrhz
P PenguinPower
G Croag
O Pine
S Kagami
D Bingle
T Day One Lynch
F Vecna
L Fish Monger
M JJD
R chennisgork
A Marquis
H pops
N Kuribo
B Chandra
C FL

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Croag said pops, but then they voted Pops later, and had no punctuation.

Penguin said D1L with a period.

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JJD is CPR doc who hit a buddy on N1.

I’ve been saying this too for a bit.

JJD is the correct move

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Croag said pops, but then they voted Pops later, and had no punctuation.

Penguin said D1L with a period.

Are you completely dense? Neither Croag nor I acted N1, and this has been brought up to you seveal times.

Right. I mean the to look at Day 3.

It’s irrelevant, though, i already caught the Chennisden clear.

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I didn’t use that to catch it

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Its JJD/PP.

Croag is a Naive or a sane cop, but they don’t know which, so PP just went along with the clear on Chennis because they had to.

Vecna is the only possible outlier.

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Code changed. You couldn't have.

Good thing I didn’t try to.

I literally just went off of y’alls attitude and plays.

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VOTE: JJD


PP/Vecna is the 1v1 tomorrow

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I was the first one to clear Chennis....

I believe you. Like, hands down. You don’t have to try to convince me you cleared Chennis.

JJD/Vecna is very possible too.

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Chandra
Kagami
Penguin
Judge Joseph
Possible pops?

Have at least one scum in them likely

That's a very bad list, FL.

Pp’s first Day 2 post

You gotta give to him though. 2 gave already flipped town, and I know I am, so if PP is town (and I do believe he is) that's 1 scum out of 5. Bad list indeed.

Lol, false, the list is 100% accurate.

It was a perfect list at this point. Chandra flipped scum.

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@chenn: What did I tell you? You will NOT be able to lynch the scum today. Nobody wants it.

Tinfoil: PP/Croag + chenn scums is plausible.. from an independent PoV. I have a TR on all 3 though so of this is the case they can win (and it pleases me that Bingle loses in this situation).

VOTE: JJD

Let's do this.

I’ve already been saying that.

And town loses if you’re lynched and town essentially

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My gut really wants to read jjd as town, but everything does line up to him. Hmm...I’m trying to figure out if he’s just been setup hard, but idk where.

Marquis could be scum, i agree.

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The more people keep talking like this, the more im starting to believe in a Bingle + FL scumteam.

Which is....quite the accomplishment really.

Id have totally bought and voted for a JJD scumwagon, but this shit just feels wrong on so many levels.

If Bingle and i were scum, there were much easier routes we could have taken to win the game.

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I thought cpr doc was pretty obv tbh.

I’ve been there for a while.

There’s really no other quips about it.

And with Chennis only being possible scum with one of PP/Croag, this nearly guarantees JJD scum.

Likely with Marquis.

Also, even if PP/Croag have a scum in them, Chennis still doesn’t have to be scum, and I think I’m willing to bet the game on Chennis being town.

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This almost guarantees that Chennis is the night kill tonight.

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Jjd/PP
JJD/Croag
Jjd/Marquis
Jjd/Vecna
Vecna/pp
Vecna/Croag
Marquis/pp
Marquis/Croag

One of these is the scum pairing. If Bingle’s scum, he did the absolute most when he didn’t have to, and fmpov, I’m unable to solve that

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Jjd/PP
JJD/Croag
Jjd/Marquis
Jjd/Vecna
Vecna/pp
Vecna/Croag
Marquis/pp
Marquis/Croag

One of these is the scum pairing. If Bingle’s scum, he did the absolute most when he didn’t have to, and fmpov, I’m unable to solve that

From this list, i honestly don’t think Croag is scum.

Jjd/PP
Jjd/Marquis
Jjd/Vecna
Vecna/pp
Marquis/pp

Leaving this.

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Which means technically JJD and PP should be in a 1v1, although they don’t have to agree with said list, but generally, my lists hold a lot of merits, even if I look into the wrong parts of said list, like when i mislynched you earlier in the year, PP. The list was 100% correct, but i went at one of the wrong spots.

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I say we lynch JJD, and have Marquis shoot PP.

If PP dies, then Marquis’ probably town.

If he doesn’t, Marquis’ scum.

I don’t believe he is a 2 shot vig.

I think it’s just JJD/Penguin.

Also, if PP is the only one to die, that means scumMarquis would have been forced to shoot a caffeinated.

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Vecna, Marquis, Bingle, have you guys all full claimed?

Can we have one post that states exactly all three of your roles?

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I mean, its likely you with Marquis at this point.

Scum have to go after me here. Like they just have to.

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JJD and PP should be in a 1v1,

Yeah, if that's the case I'd vote myself 10 times out of 10. However, YOUm Sir are scum here.

And that’s why this is indirectly a scum slip.

Town never does that in this scenario because it’s game over.

I don’t think its even being considered lynching outside of you today, tbh, just trying to get all the pieces.

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this nearly guarantees JJD scum.

Likely with Marquis.

Then put your bloody vote where your mouth is at and lynch MARQUIS. For one thing, Marquis is UNTARGETABLE, so he can't be copped. For another he is still UNTAGETABLE so can't be CPR killed either. I can both be investigated AND CPR protected (and scum shooting me that night to implicate me is fine because they are sacrificing a kill)

This is all common knowledge and irrelevant to the issue at hand, like a cow’s opinion. There’s no more investigations.

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From this list, i honestly don’t think Croag is scum.

Why not?

Because when I replaced into Guns N Roses, Croag was as subtle as an elephant trying to catch up to run with the giraffes.

I’m seeing the same genuine town ness from her here.

And that’s how I picked up on Chennisden inno, which you guys confirmed I was correct about.

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Town never does that in this scenario because it’s game over.

No it's not. I dunno about game over, but it's certainly the correct town play here to sacrifice an effectively caffeinated VT slot for a Cop who can still act tonight (so will have to be shot still if Town). Unless if course he Naive and Craog is the scum Sane Doctor (which can't be the case because of chandra's flip)

So, I am willing to eat rope over EITHER Cops here. 100%

Neither of the cops can act. They already checked Chennis

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I’m also conf town because of my confirmed Gook kill, unless you legit think scum get multiple kills.

Which is a reason I don’t trust Marquis. Something’s fishy with his 2-shot Vig claim

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Vecna, Marquis, Bingle, have you guys all full claimed?

Can we have one post that states exactly all three of your roles?

Bingle: Miller Quadvoter who loses a vote every day until he only has one.

Vecna:

Starts Caffeinated

Triplevoter who loses a vote every day until he only has one.

Marquis: 2 shot compulsive vig.

Collectively: Reflexively Roleblocking Vanillaizing Neighborizors who give this modifier to anyone who targets them.

AFAIK, that is the full claim of everyone in my hood. Vecna never actually retracted the obvious lie, but it was obvious, so...

Yeah, it’s just JJD/Marquis.

Marquis claimed 2 shot Compulsive Vig to save A50’s ass on the Fish Monger CPR doc kill, and now A50 is trying to make it seem like Chenn is the CPR doc.

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Lol, also, only scum legit pushes 2 Vig claims as both Mafia.

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Still don’t buy that completely btw.

And you just saying meta doesn’t really answer the question especially without a comparison that makes sense.

Well, Croag’s Town. :shrug:

She hasn’t pushed a scum agenda at all really, and she’s been genuine.