Open 765: Haunted Village (Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Beta Sapphire
Bitches be creepin' on my style.

[Gamma Emerald]

I like ur pfp nacl

[Gamma Emerald]

I find it weird we're getting a day one bandwagon going so early, especially kicked off by the person being voted. A jester role maybe? Maybe mafia mates teaming up to add confusion?

:shrugs:

I actually an interested to see how this plays out!

UNVOTE: Hoptic

VOTE: Vorkuta

I don't like this post

[Gamma Emerald]

Mafia definitely need to read the setup and (some) town can get away with not doing it. Some possibility that he’s trying to townslip here (or it could just be a townslip)
-Hop

Ok this logic is really shitty and promotes bad play.
VOTE: Hoptic

[Gamma Emerald]

Nice.

[Gamma Emerald]

Mafia definitely need to read the setup and (some) town can get away with not doing it. Some possibility that he’s trying to townslip here (or it could just be a townslip)
-Hop

Ok this logic is really shitty and promotes bad play.
VOTE: Hoptic

Just want to clarify that I did mean this sentence seriously despite the rest of the post being joking.
Can you expand on what's bad about it? Other than the fact you can't really tell between the two.

-Hop

Are you attacking me for lacking the ability to detect sarcasm? Aside from that, my issue is it feels like you're punishing those who read the setup.

[Gamma Emerald]

And more importantly, you're acting like not reading the setup is a town thing to do. It's not towny, it's bad. Maybe town do it more often but it's not something to reward, ever.

[Gamma Emerald]

Somewhat a problem with games that involve pregame decisions only by the mafia.

You know I didn't make this connection. You probably have a point.
VOTE: Ben-Bomb
I think Hop's point is valid

[Gamma Emerald]

I hope you aren't intentionally trying to end RVS

What?

[Gamma Emerald]

End of one game beginning of another. One town PP one scum PP.
Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
VOTE: Penguin Power

-Platinum

This was actually by Phoenix. I'm just so in sync with my partner I can't tell us apart any more.

- Phoenix

I think there was a past Phoenix hydra that was shit at tagging itself

[Gamma Emerald]

Just got in, have to corral a bunch of Italian teenagers round London tomorrow so not gonna post tonight

I’ll read through tomorrow and drop a vote if we haven’t yet

-M

Your life sounds interesting

VOTE: benhalkum

That Vorkuta vote was terrible in the first place... but you unvote and revote?

I hope you aren't intentionally trying to end RVS

-TL

What's wrong with that?
VOTE: benhalkum

Why are you questioning the wagon you just voted with?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you can just ignore those bits. I expect him to say some less confusing more serious stuff at some point.

Who is this at

[Gamma Emerald]

That's.... not how RNG works....

Just because it's unlikely doesn't make it impossible

[Gamma Emerald]

if we have absolutely no tools to get rid of them it would be optimal to enter LyLo ASAP

I do NOT want to throw the vote to get into LyLo early. It's like throwing a tribal immunity challenge in Survivor, you're playing with fire.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't know what you mean here.

It's pretty clear he means something along the lines of directing night actions.
Why are you being so bad at the game? I don't think you're as bad as you look.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like to invite everyone to pretend that they were scum and playing this game with me
How many total TPRs would warrant you picking a role blockers?
3? 4?

3 or 4, if they are decently powerful and it's the best counter. Like you wouldn't pick roleblocker in response to a cop, instead you'd opt for framer and/or godfather.
Also I realized this setup feels like Pick Your Poison, but inverted: mafia pick powers for the mafia instead of the town.

[Gamma Emerald]

because it's safe yeah?

That's my issue, and I'm going to need town consensus/opinion/more experienced setup guys/

the scum team

to comment on this.

ASSUMING this game had like 5 cops.
Would you pick ghosts/immortals to fuck with the cop results
Roleblockers/stoppers/wtvs to "no result" PM them
or a Zombie because "lol fuck you guys" AND "well if they know we're going to pick ghosts/immortals, there goes our element of surprise"

Ghost/immortal. Roleblocker at that point can't keep up. Maybe zombie now that you put it on the table?

[Gamma Emerald]

+Penguin: town for actually wanting to push the game. Reads just like in previous game with him
tris: acceptable townie level of skepticism/cynicism
RCE: setup spec'd with me. gets points
UiT: #99 gets a town lean for the openness

You may be being a little fast and loose with town points here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Agree with the PP read though

[Gamma Emerald]

17

I honestly would pick a vampire into 3 PRs- just via sheer force of RNG you have a chance of hitting something.

Strongman says "hey you guys definitely have a healer".

Shit that's a good point

and why everyone needs to chip in their 2 cents

Ok, the ONLY 6 point 100% Zombie-safe setup
Priest & Healer & Trickster (or 2 priests, or 3 healers, or 4 tricksters and.... you get the idea)
and that warrants a vamp to prevent follow-the-cop nonsense

Can we start saying vampire/roleblocker instead of just vampire

Easier to follow

This looks clunky. Think about the pronoun song from Schoolhouse Rock.

[Gamma Emerald]

But you get the 'reduction ad absurdum' point of my question?

Mmm I see it now

[Gamma Emerald]

@UiT- ok sure, its recently become quite trendy for the entire scum team to jump on a single person because "There's no way all scum members would do that!!11!!", but put in the legwork please

Oh look I mentioned this being a thing in another game and now I feel vindicated

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't know what you mean here.

It's pretty clear he means something along the lines of directing night actions.
Why are you being so bad at the game? I don't think you're as bad as you look.

I understand that much, I just don't get the link between speculating about the possible set ups now, and people following directions later.

My sense is he's feeling it will help make action directing simpler.

[Gamma Emerald]

As to that vote waffling, I got scum with it before. It was a newbie and later in the day there was more, but this is early. So I think that waffling is quite easy to do as scum particularly if they think it comes off as town.

This kinda confuses me, what's your point?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, me asking about delayed lynchproof isn't a WHOOPS township, you can take my word for it. The fact I'm acknowledging myself being aware of how that could be perceived as scum dropping a township should negate any possible town or scum points you could give me for it.

-Hectic

Why so worried?

[Gamma Emerald]

township

So you're aware your autocorrect does this but don't fix it???

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think we should spend so much time figuring out power roles come day 1. Let’s focus on scumtells.

This from Norwegian.

-Hectic

Are you trolling? Fucking stop it if you are.

[Gamma Emerald]

"hey lets stop setup speccing and focus on solving" -Hec
"hey how do zombies work again?" -also Hec

Wanna vote Hoptic with me? I think Hectic's first post may have been a cover for his erratic play (fyi I don't scumread prefacing your play on principle but this instance feels rather egregious).

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: me seeing all these hydra slips

Don't make me invoke the power of the Old Guard.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok, i'll make sure to pretend i'm a mafia professional from now on.

You don't need to pretend you're a master, I mean I've played probably a hundred games and have been on this site for 3 years and I'm still learning. But consistently using newbism as an excuse is a bad look. I remember a player from when I joined who constantly used the newb card as scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I find it weird we're getting a day one bandwagon going so early, especially kicked off by the person being voted. A jester role maybe? Maybe mafia mates teaming up to add confusion?

:shrugs:

I actually an interested to see how this plays out!

UNVOTE: Hoptic

VOTE: Vorkuta

Did you read the setup

Mafia definitely need to read the setup and (some) town can get away with not doing it. Some possibility that he’s trying to townslip here (or it could just be a townslip)
-Hop

Ok this logic is really shitty and promotes bad play.
VOTE: Hoptic

rude

i havent read the setup

[Gamma Emerald]

Also how is calling not reading the setup bad play "rude"

[Gamma Emerald]

Can't wait until October

Honestly same

the songs that've been revealed are already fire

Songs for what

[Gamma Emerald]

Reading me based on TwoFoldC9++

I don't think that's what he did at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

CogDis

Wat

[Gamma Emerald]

Relax, son, I'm not trolling. Why do you think I'm trolling with that post?

Nothing you are posting looks genuine. So if you're town trolling I'd like you to stop so I can read you better. As it stands your posting is scummy as hell.

[Gamma Emerald]

CogDis

Wat

Cognitive dissonance.
Feels like he just wanted to use fancy terminology to score points as opposed to making a solid argument IMHO

Oh I know what it means but as you said, how the hell does cog-dis factor into that, they have the same Vorkuta read.

[Gamma Emerald]

If it looks like I SR Vorkuta... I'm just giving a reason to scumread Vorkuta so I can say that RVS wagon isn't completely unjustified. Based on an ISO skim I'd say Vorkuta is towny.

This looks awful but I think it's not scum motivated. I could see someone taking it that way though.

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like a lot of these reads being formed are based on previous meta. Anyone want to talk about isolated alignment-indicative stuff that's been said thus far? I'll start writing my comprehensive essay on the setup meanwhile.

-Hectic

I don't think I have any meta reads as of yet

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think we should spend so much time figuring out power roles come day 1. Let’s focus on scumtells.

This from Norwegian.

-Hectic

Are you trolling? Fucking stop it if you are.

Okay maybe I read this post wrong
But a whole lot of other posts from Hectic feel fake.

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda wanna post a read list, just so I can organize them better

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma's recent posts are chuck full of LAMIST WIFOM OMGUS ATE elements and I think we can POE lynch him now based on VCA and WKING.

I know i'm probably going to piss off Vorkuta with me "using my newbie card" yet again.
But what the actual **** am i reading? Lmao.

That doesn't look like playing the newbie card tho
As an fyi, LAMIST = look at me I'm so town (saying you are obviously town, which alienates others), WIFOM = wine in front of me (using self-awareness to cause confusion), you already know OMGUS, ATE = appeal to emotion (playing up negative feelings for townpoints), POE = process of elimination (gaining enough townreads that you can just kill all of the rest, a probably ineffective tool outside of mechanical PoE), VCA = vote count analysis (looking at previous vote counts and speculating alignments off them), and WKING = whiteknighting (defending someone without really understanding the reason they're under attack, at least according to Urban Dictionary). Very few of these seem applicable to my play at the moment.

[Gamma Emerald]

Could someone explain to me what delayed lynchproof does exactly? They activate their lynchproof ability the night before they're lynchproof for the day? How many shots is this?

Otherwise, glad to see the fantastic wagons being accumulated. I'm happy with my seat on the Ben one, seriously hypothesizing a jester does strike me as scum!him dropping a township.

The setup speculation is good. We need to place more faith in our town PRs to not out themselves while we discuss it. On the other hand, we shouldn't condone avoidance of reads while discussing it *cough* Vortuka *sneeze*.

If that wasn't Vortuka, I blame the names in this game being kind of a mesh right now. I need to form separate identities for each of you, could you all start acting distinctively please?

I'll join in myself on this setup discussion, just give me a few weeks to do some comprehensive research on the role combinations and possible reactions from scum.

I don't remember who suggested it, but I've spread out my sentences onto separate lines of this post.

It's really a breath of fresh air actually, and opened my eyes to the art of structuring a post and forming clear consise

paragraphs.

-Hectic

Oh, me asking about delayed lynchproof isn't a WHOOPS township, you can take my word for it.

The fact I'm acknowledging myself being aware of how that could be perceived as scum dropping a township should negate any possible town or scum points you could give me for it.

-Hectic

Hop onboard the township everyone. I extend an invitation to

Billy, Hopkirk, Unstuck, and Norwegian.

-Hectic

Pedit: That's fine, better than being scumread for casually dropping a

township

.

I don’t think we should spend so much time figuring out power roles come day 1. Let’s focus on scumtells.

This from Norwegian.

-Hectic

What do you mean it's permanent? What does the delayed element mean, it doesn't work on the first day?

-Hectic

He quoted the role where it explains exactly how it works........

Ah, I see. I should have mentioned

I'm actually blind and use braille technology to be able to read and post to this forum.

Unstuck's made some solid reads so far. In fact, I wouldn't mind giving him captaincy on the township.

-Hectic

Pedit: Much appreciated, Vorkuta. I get it now.

PP (sushi chef) feels townie with his

how do I phrase this without getting banned

lack of solid content

What what

what?

-Hectic

And I'm actually inclined to agree with his read on Vorkuta too

Which read? The heads differ.

Townreading Vortuka for setup spec. Though, having thought about it again, I don't think that alone is a good reason.

The way Vorkuta discusses it and the tone he uses is towny for me

. But the act itself of discussing the setup is NAI.

Scum could certainly use it to pick up free town points while also fishing for town PRs based on how people contribute to the discussion.

Unstuck can be demoted to steward on the township.

-Hectic

I don’t think we should spend so much time figuring out power roles come day 1. Let’s focus on scumtells.

This from Norwegian.

-Hectic

Are you trolling? Fucking stop it if you are.

Relax, son, I'm not trolling. Why do you think I'm trolling with that post?

Townreading Vortuka for setup spec. Though, having thought about it again, I don't think that alone is a good reason.
The way Vorkuta discusses it and the tone he uses is towny for me. But the act itself of discussing the setup is NAI.
Scum could certainly use it to pick up free town points while also fishing for town PRs based on how people contribute to the discussion.
-Hectic

This seems like an excuse to town read Vorkuta. The "two" reasons you've given to townread them are the same - "way" and "tone".

- Phoenix

Yep, it's not really a substantial read. I townlean him for tone/genuineness and that's about it right now.

Gamma's recent posts are chuck full of LAMIST WIFOM OMGUS ATE elements and I think we can POE lynch him now based on VCA and WKING.

Essay is on the horizon.

-Hectic

I have colored in what I find fake. Going into more detail:
167 has a random line break, why? This isn't scummy but it's weird.
168 seems extremely self conscious, like I understand that post but there's too much space dedicated to making sure the potential slip is viewed as NAI.
171 has 2 issues, the names dropped making no sense, and continuing to say "township" despite being aware of the typo.
175 I initially interpreted as saying "This post is from Norwegian", but I'm probably wrong.
178, what??? This is out of left field. This type of thing is why I feel like it could be trolling.
185, what's the point of this post?
188, Elements might have a point.
258 is deliberately abusing buzzwords to state a read contrary to what Hectic actually thinks.

Like I have Asperger's so despite being 19 I probably have the sense of humor of a 67 year old man if I'm not primed to receive humor. And as we're playing a deception game I have to read into things, and my read on what you are doing is it is you acting like a clown to obfuscate any malicious intent. Like I'm trying to use Hanlon's Razor here, but change stupidity to attempts at humor.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry. Got carried away with the wall.

[Gamma Emerald]

I also don't know what you're getting at with the typo thing. How is that significant?

It feels like obfuscation of his play, which is my main issue.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fair, I assumed that was the overall point I just didn't know how the typo tied in.

I'd agree there. It feels similar to the avengers Hydra in Pokemon fusion. Just that one of the Hydra heads advertised they would probably open wolf which is ehhh.

I mean it seems Hectic is just joking around anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

[quote="In post 290Like I have Asperger's

Thanks for sharing it. I’ll keep that in mind for if you criticize someone for basic spelling mistakes again.[/quote]
Why does this feel like you're throwing shade

[Gamma Emerald]

Any you specifically disagreed with or all of them? Kind of agreed until the second post quoted since the PP stuck out as oddest read to me.

I don't really agree with the tris read bit also the reads seemed poorly thought out by how they were written. Short explanations that don't really say much. Doesn't make Vorkuta scum but it does make me doubt his read quality.

[Gamma Emerald]

Page 9 Penguin prob town

His alignment will also get easier to read over time

-o

How come, o?

-Hectoc

Tone lol

He seems to be having fun, which I don’t think he projects as much when he’s scum

-o

Talk about this please
Also Hop is definitely making his slot better and the interactions between those heads is also good

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you reading Norwegian as scum or town or not?

Town lean right now but it's not set in stone in any capacity.

Where's the Penguin read coming from.

Assuming this refers to 132. I think his behavior around the wagons was towny, specifically his support of having them. I guess that actually was influenced by meta because I recall the same from him in other games. But it's also good looking to me outside of the metasphere.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cotard's Delusion

[Gamma Emerald]

That answers the question I had.
Who are you a hydra of btw? I'm assuming the RC is RadiantC (and the other head is likely being hidden) and that's the only half I'm asking this question for.

Not a hydra, not the cowbell.

The funny part is there's a player who goes by Enigma

[Gamma Emerald]

Like yeah they both want to be lynched but only one serves their wincon.

i don't think zombie wants to be lynched

town still needs to identify the zombie to win

- platinum

The Zombie will play more brash and most likely be the scum trying to manipulate the game the most. Hence being the most likely to be caught.

- Platinum

ARRGH!

...y'all trying to fake activity as each other or something?

[Gamma Emerald]

As I said, don't make me call upon the Old Guard. It wont be fun.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I have the most posts rn, let's see how long that lasts

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think it's derailing the conversation from something useful.
I also don't like day 1.

This isn't an excuse for not posting what Hectic expected

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think it's derailing the conversation from something useful.
I also don't like day 1.

This isn't an excuse for not posting what Hectic expected

I don't need an excuse for being unexpected

- Phoenix

When what is expected of you would help people not misread others, you kinda do.

[Gamma Emerald]

lead rist

Also ew no don't say this

[Gamma Emerald]

I know but I hate seeing that specific order of letters

[Gamma Emerald]

how am I meant to know what is expected of me?

-Phoenix

I'd say be conscious of when something you have to say could help the game go smoother

[Gamma Emerald]

That's it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I invoke the power of the Old Guard! SpyreX, Andrius, UT, fill me with your righteous strength so I may smite my enemies!

Subject: The Thing Mafia - Game over!

Guys

What if we kill all the hydras first and then actually start playing mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol what?

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean if you really want I can totally play like UT, I think I understand his playstyle pretty well rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I just think if you start with hydras...you know what his next step would be...right?

Not sure we should be talking about that as of now. You know the rules as well as I do.

[Gamma Emerald]

The hydra hate yes, what I assume you are calling the next step, I'm not sure.

[Gamma Emerald]

I skimmed back through it (I will do more comprehensive read throughs after Monday) and I didn't feel like it was that distracting. I feel like you and Gamma went back and forth a little, but there didn't seem to be some intra-town war. Why the shade on Platinum for not bringing it up?

BP

The issue was I was misreading his jokes as gameplay. It didn't become a big stink because I checked myself early. As for pushing Phoenix/Elements it's because we could have saved effort if he had noted Hectic's style earlier.

[Gamma Emerald]

UiT is rly towny can we stop voting there

- Platinum

I agree with this read

[Gamma Emerald]

And of course, time for Round 2:
-"Guys, setup spec is a distraction" ~BP
-"Btw, what's the scum team again?" ~also BP

This is not a contradiction, penalty for you.

[Gamma Emerald]

{PP, GE, BS}
{RCE, UiT}
{NosrkEE, fake-PP, Hop}

Say literally anything please tier: {NaCl, Ben, Tris, CJ}

Oh man this readlist is so not confusing at all

I don't agree with where Hop or Asgard is (I'm calling Norwegian Asgard because it's easier and more fun)

[Gamma Emerald]

did this game really need 18 pages at this point

swear to god, if I find out that half of the posts are from plat phoe, I'm voting to policy lynch them D1

-M

They're not, but Xin Eohp is a good lynch still.

[Gamma Emerald]

all the Zombie does is win them the game if we lynch the Zombie in Lylo (and we haven't lynched the Zombie before).

Actually no. If we lynch Zombie in LyLo it doesn't revive at all. Good effort though.

[Gamma Emerald]

God PP, I wish you weren't quite so town this game bc I'd really like to lynch you rn

-M

Why is 20 pages so bad tho

[Gamma Emerald]

UiT is rly towny can we stop voting there

- Platinum

I agree with this read

talk to me about this gamma bc he wasn't until about p16 or so but from there on he kinda is a lot more?

-M

I don't really have an exact reason rn, but I feel like their efforts are town motivated rn

[Gamma Emerald]

hmm, I was happy to lynch in (hop, plat phoe, UiT, RCE) for today, but now I'm less sure because that seems weirdly consensus-y for both plat phoe and hop

Why is lynching a consensus scum read bad
You need a read to be somewhat consensus for a lynch to go through

[Gamma Emerald]

hmm, I was happy to lynch in (hop, plat phoe, UiT, RCE) for today, but now I'm less sure because that seems weirdly consensus-y for both plat phoe and hop

Why is lynching a consensus scum read bad
You need a read to be somewhat consensus for a lynch to go through

cause we're P early on in day and not that many people have been super active. idk, just feel weird about it coming around this easily if it's real scum?

at the very least it's making me think there's only one scum in (hop, plat phoe) probably

-M

Town lynched scum page 4 in a game iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, 21 hours 30 minutes, Gamma.

hmm?

also assuredly kinda worked too

Also I have the most posts rn, let's see how long that lasts

Ah, lol nice
Now let's see how hard I get stomped in terms of postcount

[Gamma Emerald]

Also a very rich 180 from "let's stop setup spec pls"

You constantly shading this isn't good

[Gamma Emerald]

I can see why creature enjoys this.

Enjoys what

[Gamma Emerald]

Again I won't make it a habit of accusing people of hiding behind real life.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

NaCL ignored me for the first 200 posts.

conf!scum.

Also missed me I believe

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I was trying to be comprehensive, so yeah I think I may have been nitpicky but it was on purpose if I was

[Gamma Emerald]

three for three in scumminess.

What three though

[Gamma Emerald]

:thumbs_up:
But could you describe gut a little more? If it's pivotal to your reads consistently it probably helps to know what it means. Yes I'm playing Devil's Advocate.

[Gamma Emerald]

Unless it furthers my snark agenda.

Hey I'm just enjoying the show. Jeep on keeping on, brother.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can also locktown gamma really early usually and I haven't been able to do that

I can also locktown gamma really early usually and I haven't been able to do that

Doubtful

Didn't you tunnel me in that newbie game?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also NaCl, do you like Fire Emblem or did you just find that the best avatar for your username?

[Gamma Emerald]

I can also locktown gamma really early usually and I haven't been able to do that

I can also locktown gamma really early usually and I haven't been able to do that

Doubtful

Didn't you tunnel me in that newbie game?

this also doesnt sound like town gamma

Are you gonna be like mastina and consistently have your head up your ass about how well you can read me

[Gamma Emerald]

Who are all of these people?

VOTE: Gamma

Oh, Gamma, you've pressed a button that you know not what it does.

I just think if you start with hydras...you know what his next step would be...right?

Are we not talking about well-established, old guard meta?

The hydra hate yes, what I assume you are calling the next step, I'm not sure.

Besides being actually stated in his queue thread

Spoiler:

have some really cool ideas for how you can run a mafia game based around your favorite anime. This is a regrettable life choice, but I'm not here to judge.

...

viewtopic.php?p=10569735#p10569735
viewtopic.php?p=10009647#p10009647

Also, 21 hours 30 minutes, Gamma.

this banter feels fake and is a very easy way for him to generate content without info

That would be a valid point if I wasn't already generating a good amount of content. Also speak for yourself mister ten posts

[Gamma Emerald]

Also NaCl, do you like Fire Emblem or did you just find that the best avatar for your username?

I kind of like Fire Emblem, but yeah, it's because it seemed to match the name. I've only played Awakening, but I'll probably pick up 3 houses in a few months.

Yeah I'm just a Heroes scrub rn, but I do want to pick up Awakening or Echoes at some point. 3H also interests me but I only have a 2DS, no Switch.

[Gamma Emerald]

this is wrt the pp slot

can you please read

Same goes for Penguin then.

[Gamma Emerald]

if you think your read on me means shit you should stop playing the game.

Didn’t you just say that it did because I’m so influential?

i'm talking about actually being

right

here

Lol okay

[Gamma Emerald]

no it doesnt

Yes it does. Both of us have plenty of ability to post content.

[Gamma Emerald]

2-3 days is enough time to get some good reads

there's enough content to do that PP

Actually there's not quite the level of content I remembered from PP. There's still content though.
@PP when you get back could you post a read list? Don't need explanation, just all your reads as of now.

[Gamma Emerald]

I was a newb and someone bullied me, so I wall-posted out of desperation.

Were you scum then, though

[Gamma Emerald]

Speaking of political and reactive- norskee... has uh... also um... yeah idk what to make of his ISO

Yep that's me right now. I don't want to generate content unless i feel sure about what i'm saying. I've been lynched day 1 so many times lately just because i tried to aggressively solve the game and got my ass kicked.

<REDACTED>

I'll post my reads eventually. Just give me some time, we've got more than 10 days before the deadline. No point rushing things.

Can you provide some commentary at least? This is a question, not a demand. I would like it though if you would show you are taking things in.

[Gamma Emerald]

So wow I'm not allowed to have a read on you Gamma, nice to know

If you're consistently wrong I will both you over the head with that fact. Same goes for if you're right a lot.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is that a rule anyway?

The ongoing games thing? Say you die in a game and see the alignments of the still living players. You now have extra info that could affect your reads on them in other games. Using that information in another game your in can then circle back and affect that game you died in, ruining the outcome.

[Gamma Emerald]

Both = bash

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait so the minute I reconsider the read changed? Show some spine pal.

[Gamma Emerald]

Uh okay

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe try to change it instead of conplaining?

[Gamma Emerald]

So what is your suggestion for us to do Benhalkum?

[Gamma Emerald]

So what is your suggestion for us to do Benhalkum?

That's the conundrum.

We either don't lynch, and then have to wait to see what happens at end of day (if anything) and after night 1. Chances are scum will take some of us out, especially ones they feel may be more vocal.

Or we bandwagon lynch and find out if we screwed up or not, but at least go into the night with (hopefully) more information than we started with.

Either way, we risk loosing town early. It should come down to where, as a whole, do we find more beneficial for the town.

Never no lynch D1

[Gamma Emerald]

[lynching] Lylo liabilities

Underrated option tbh
Who would you call one, tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Like your issue is we have no information? No lynching does nothing to fix that. And we do have information, we know the scum roles. From that we've speculated town roles, which can be sorted by analyzing if the speculation someone is doing seems genuine. So maybe do that. Or realize that no one is lying to themselves, and D1 isn't as much of a crapshoot as you think.

[Gamma Emerald]

/saltyrant

[Gamma Emerald]

Some discussion is still discussion.

That's like, barely any discussion though imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually going back and reading through the defense "everyone is scumreading me so I can't be scum" is bullshit when you're voting Ben, whom pretty much everyone is scumreading. I've seen like one post defending him.

Yea, I shouldn't be voting ben I think he's town.
VOTE: gamma
- Phoenix

Great post lol
I get criticized for being bad about not moving my like I should at times and while I'm just an airhead it is a valid point. So this kind of post imo comes more from scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Was that before or after you picked fights with them? Genuine question about chronology as it might help- did they scum-read you BECAUSE you were so aggressive, or did you become aggressive and escalate stuff afterwards?

PP fight started as a fun "who's the better PP" then PP started scum reading us then we started getting aggressive.
You and Gamma I think started doubting us and questioning us and it turned into scum reading and fighting at a similar rate.
That's from a quick glace at ISO's and memory
- Phoenix

Not featured in this post: an answer to the question.

[Gamma Emerald]

Most active player currently scum read us. If I tried to start a wagon people would start complaining I'm trying to start a wagon and not vote with us, thus destroying my idea of pressure. Voting for an existing wagon - ben being the only current one - I am applying the pressure I wanted to.

- Phoenix

Most active player currently scum read us. If I tried to start a wagon people would start complaining I'm trying to start a wagon and not vote with us, thus destroying my idea of pressure. Voting for an existing wagon - ben being the only current one - I am applying the pressure I wanted to.

- Phoenix

i don't like this post my partner made
My scum senses are tingling a bit. Your thought process described here is even more scummy than if you'd just vote and start another wagon tbh.

Changing my vote.
VOTE: Platinum Phoenix

but i like this even less

Yeah hold up actually. Who is this partner Asgard speaks of?

[Gamma Emerald]

Quote fixed

Oh hell no
VOTE: Plat Phoe
They've still kinda been ??? but I don't like the look of what I just saw.

[Gamma Emerald]

and why is gamma in townblock again?

Tbh I think it's mostly my 290

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok I am gonna try and recommit to this game. I iso'd Platinum (I'll decide who the real PP is after I figure out whether one is scum). 137 posts. I felt like all of it was light on analysis for my taste, but I recognize that I post giant things that most players don't like. Nonetheless, I felt like you could show your work alot more. I think ironically I liked your comments on the zombie. When you townread or scumread there werent really any explanations. A decent chunk of your posts were you refusing to give explanations when asked. For the reads analysis, I saw 545, 642 (I really liked), 716 felt like an honest comment on why you've been light on analysis, but the complaints about being scumread then took up a good chunk, and I thought 797 showed legitimate thoughts. But I highlighted less than 10 posts out of 137. That's not all that helpful. Certainly doesn't feel game solvey. And alot of it was shading different forms of activity. It felt hella shitposty. My partners scumreading you and I can get why. I'm lost in this game, so trying to read you overall is difficult, but I think complaining about the scumreads is a bit unmerited.

BP

I think if it was just Platinum I might townread it

[Gamma Emerald]

when you're scum you know EXACTLY where to make room for yourself but like if you're town you generally play a bit more conservatively because you can push something bad

I think this is quite untrue

[Gamma Emerald]

minus newbie 1946

What?

[Gamma Emerald]

Probably gonna save the last three for tomorrow.

[Gamma Emerald]

Quote fixed

Oh hell no
VOTE: Plat Phoe
They've still kinda been ??? but I don't like the look of what I just saw.

Maybe I'm just being knee jerky but I really don't like a typo like that

[Gamma Emerald]

Wild thought, what if both PPs are scum and the feud is a distancing pmoy

[Gamma Emerald]

What would the core!scum team be doing if Fake-PP was one of them?

I don't want to start a WIFOM war but Zombie is possible

[Gamma Emerald]

But if town has no countermeasures it is actually pretty good for scum
Like I feel like ignoring the benefits of it is kinda yikes

[Gamma Emerald]

There's also the fact that if one is revealed LyLo becomes a controlled situation
I had a scum game where because I didn't know what my approach to LyLo should be I blew my game up. If a Zombie is flipped during LyLo scum don't have to concern themselves with where to push for a day.
Going off this, btw, in a situation like this all posts should just be voting thr Zombie.

[Gamma Emerald]

Agreed Chennis. Why did mafia choose such a bad PR? I think this is telling. We're not exactly dealing with geniuses here.

Also saying this is kinda weird

Like it kind of feels like trying to salvage the mistake by leading town down this road.

Possibly, but I townread Asgard

[Gamma Emerald]

That's valid, but honestly I sense a similar direction in those two posts.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually now that I think about that that is weird

[Gamma Emerald]

what is "sih"

[Gamma Emerald]

I assume Asgard is Norwegian. Otherwise I may not townread Asgard.

-Hop

Yes, at least from me

[Gamma Emerald]

1.

If we identify the zombie by lynching him or gaining insight through PR's the information can be used to find his scum teammates and the slot will remain as a guaranteed Lylo lynch. So i don't think it will be a big problem, it actually seems like a bad PR for the mafia to choose. Which leads me to believe that maybe they aren't so intelligent?

im inclined to agree

mafia is really stupid for choosing such a shitty PR

2.

What would the core!scum team be doing if Fake-PP was one of them?

I don't want to start a WIFOM war but Zombie is possible

No because zombie doesn't want to get lynched. There's no reason for that because at worst it just makes for a free day of lylo

I actually don't see the benefit of zombie and think it's useless but i digress

Agreed Chennis. Why did mafia choose such a bad PR? I think this is telling. We're not exactly dealing with geniuses here.

Agreed Chennis. Why did mafia choose such a bad PR? I think this is telling. We're not exactly dealing with geniuses here.

Also saying this is kinda weird

Like it kind of feels like trying to salvage the mistake by leading town down this road.

PlatinumPhoenix, why is NorwegianboyEE weird for pretty much saying the same thing you said earlier? Also, I'm kind of puzzled why you two decided to both talk about the exact same topic as a few pages before.

The way he's saying "maybe mafia is just dumb" can feel like he's lambasting himself for choosing Zombie in a way that seems contenty

And why shouldn't I suspect that from you?

[Gamma Emerald]

It seems implicit? You're saying you're fine with me calling 693 scummy?
PEdit: And yet you stilll made a point against him

[Gamma Emerald]

But you also did it and I don't TR you
PEdit: -_-

[Gamma Emerald]

So is the entire scum team already on you, or is scum trying to find a way to weasel in a hammer?

There's a third option but I think Xin Eohp is scum so I'm on like option 4

[Gamma Emerald]

Platinum Phoenix. The nickname is an Ace Attorney reference

[Gamma Emerald]

it kind of feels like he hopped on the wagon but is content to sit there.

How? I think Asgard is town

[Gamma Emerald]

This is a change I did not know was made.

What was the change?
The amount of points per role?

Assuming the revealing of the scum roles

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess i'll assume that too? I don't know how i got a nickname out of nowhere, but i'm fine with it.

Laziness + boredom is why lol

[Gamma Emerald]

>When you're lowkey roasting the entire mafia team by questioning their intelligence and someone thinks your actually trying to make yourself look stupid...
smh...

I think Xin Eohp's idea was that you were trying to downplay your skill by saying that. Which maybe that's what you meant already?

[Gamma Emerald]

Basically you're trying to make it seem like you're worse than you are, or something. Which actually is in line with the early observation that you referenced your newness a lot.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is Asgard scum
Why is Vork scum
Why is Smarty scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Asgard seems to continuously focus on the “why would scum pick a zombie” conversation topic

I dont really agree with this
Interesting point on Vork, though

[Gamma Emerald]

They seem unconcerned, defiant even

Don't know if that's how chennis approaches this actually
Like in Newbie 1946 he kinda flipped out at people scumreading him

[Gamma Emerald]

Umm I'll say Gamma is the only one I'm super confident on, think they're spewed no matter what.

And to also answer Norwegian, I don't think Norwegian can be with any of (PP, Gamma, Faux PP, Menalque). Based on the mindset that he thinks he would have strongarmed his partners over scum roles. 100% not a stance a newbie takes with those players in a pt.

Yeah, I don't think anyone strong arms me here, I'd try to work as equals. Especially given my Pick Your Poison comparison, I would definitely be charged up about doing what I feel is right

[Gamma Emerald]

Haven't read up yet, but I had page 2 townreads on ben and NaCl.

Take them... *puts on sunglasses*... with a grain of salt.

Talk about Ben?

[Gamma Emerald]

I am disappointed that neither Menalque nor ofrhz realized that Gamma Emerald was a reference to Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.

I think they do and just went with something else anyway
I mean I played with both of them in Pokémon Ruby mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

^

It's a massive buff to town because it makes scum fakeclaiming much harder.

Not really? Read forward and you'll see.

[Gamma Emerald]

Talk about Ben?

Oh, you're gonna be annoyed, but it has to do with him misunderstanding the setup. Because this specific setup requires pregame action by scum I think it's likely his partners would have explained it to him.

I think there was a feeling it was faked

[Gamma Emerald]

@tris
Can you post your current reads? My impression is that you are like the most inconspicuous player here. Nothing sticks out of the ordinary. And i kinda wish it did.

Unstuck in Time
Vorkuta
PenguinPower
Hoptic
Gamma Emerald
you as well

are some townreads. There's some people I need to take a look at more.

Maybe Salt goes on that list.

If you had to guess the scumteam now who would it be

[Gamma Emerald]

Not really? Read forward and you'll see.

I do intend to read, but can you just link the post/page in question so we can talk about it right now?

It's nothing specific but there was talk of what PRs might exist that went on for a while with no real verdict

[Gamma Emerald]

I could afford to sorta because 1) I was a TPR 2) I knew your scumread on me would end once I ended gay Dance

ok

[Gamma Emerald]

Fake and gay.

Pls don't

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, I don't really see what that has to do with scum fakeclaiming.

Once massclaim hits we'll know exactly how many points are fake versus real.

Actually I get what your logic is. Since town's points are public fake claims won't be as survivable

[Gamma Emerald]

@tris
Can you post your current reads? My impression is that you are like the most inconspicuous player here. Nothing sticks out of the ordinary. And i kinda wish it did.

Unstuck in Time
Vorkuta
PenguinPower
Hoptic
Gamma Emerald
you as well

are some townreads. There's some people I need to take a look at more.

Maybe Salt goes on that list.

If you had to guess the scumteam now who would it be

Let's say: S_S, RCE, and fakePP. but I do need to look at the second two's ISOs

VOTE: Something_Smart

I think SS is town rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't know. sorry.

I'll figure that out or change my mind when you post more.

lol nice. I'm the one who needs to back up my read? I think burden of proof is on you here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay. Well rn I think his reaction to the setup change was kinda towny. Like I think it ends up looking warped in some way if he were scum, either by being frustrated by his situation or trying to cover that up. Also I just think his efforts are towny rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

Look, do you want something from me, Vorkuta?

Your head
VOTE: Salt

She's town

[Gamma Emerald]

About time I put my vote where my mouth is

Because I'm not really the teamwork kind of guy.

*inhales*
This and the above 3 posts are horrible, but I don't think scum is usually this brazen.
Points for honesty I suppose but damn

Uhmmm...

[Gamma Emerald]

That turn around on Salt from vork was pretty bad imo

[Gamma Emerald]

That turn around on Salt from vork was pretty bad imo

Scummy bad or misguided bad?

Rn misguided bad but I may change my mind based on further developments

[Gamma Emerald]

if you were scum i'd expect you to do some more positioning

and for you to do some mental gymnastics and shift to nacl eventually when this wagon died.

you're not doing that

you feel like you're blindly pushing scum's agenda rather than doing it with purpose.

a lot of townreads on you came from nowhere. do you know where these reads go? these "derptown" reads disappear as soon as it's convenient for scum - last time i was scum i pushed a "derptown" read and it dissolved on its own. the same is happening with you here.

This feels massively yucky

[Gamma Emerald]

The only way Norway is scum is if Phoenix is scum and that was planned. I also actually think NaCl is town, so UNVOTE: . I'm not really sure where to go now. I'll figure it out tomorrow.

I think if Phoenix is scum that's not S/S, that's scum trying to get into the head of a townie (which Fake-PP said others were doing to Asgard, interestingly)

[Gamma Emerald]

What the hell happened to the Fake-PP wagon

[Gamma Emerald]

tris or RCE is my preference today

Tbh I wouldn't opposed this if it happens, didn't like her early and I think coasting might be a fair assessment

[Gamma Emerald]

but gamma you should really try to read my slot in good faith.

you've been wrong on my slot three times in a row because you've refused to actually critically think wrt my play. don't make this a fourth.

Didn't I townread you in Grandest Idea for the most part?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: tris
Thing is Plat has had minimal resistance this whole time. I don't think any real counterwagons have even been attempted until now.

[Gamma Emerald]

he might, but here i think he was avoiding pushing a counterwagon (or having a partner do so) so as to let his wagon disolve

Tbh the lack of counterwagon is why I pushed you instead of staying on Plat, do maybe you have a point but I haven't felt good about probably anything you have posted

[Gamma Emerald]

PP's a moot point.

Hm?

[Gamma Emerald]

this is all chennis - i've been flying solo for a while.

If you don't see Elements returning soon pls rep in with your main

[Gamma Emerald]

also
>ben- driving literally anyone's wagon
>tris- the one that supported my NaCl vote for half a second? Vote-hoppy

I'm pretty sure you've done this to yourself with the early GE and PP drama and they've uh.... parked on you

Major oof...

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah dude, GE is totally voting me right now.

it's funny because I even did vote counts

mb

Point still stands IMHO- I also don't think GE has withdrawn their SR on you- just counterwagon experiments

This is correct but I think me choosing to vote this instead kinda kills your point
Or something.

[Gamma Emerald]

TRIS NOT THIS WHAT

[Gamma Emerald]

fuck autocorrect

[Gamma Emerald]

.........
UNVOTE:

More heart attacks are just what I need

So you kill momentum because deadline is still not here?

[Gamma Emerald]

Little more than one hour left guys

[Gamma Emerald]

VLA For like 2 weeks, just got a concussion yesterday and need to do a brain break which includes reduced screentime

[Gamma Emerald]

a concussion

all the best- head injuries are horrible!

I really don't want to be that guy but.......

Spoiler:

If you will have an excessively long V/LA or will not have regular access to the internet/forums, please request replacement instead.

I asked Baezu, don't need to yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is plat being voted now

[Gamma Emerald]

What's up?

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Count 2.4

With 10 players it takes 6 to lynch

Platinum Phoenix (5) L-1 ~

Unstuck in Time, Something_Smart, PenguinPower, norwegianboyEE, RCEnigma

NaCl (2) ~

Hoptic, Vorkuta

Unstuck in Time (1) ~

Platinum Phoenix

norwegianboyEE (1) ~

NaCl

not voting (1) ~

Gamma Emerald

Mod Notes

Gamma Emerald V/LA indefinitely.

deadline:

(expired on 2019-09-30 08:55:00)

Anything new on Plat or what

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm asking because if there's nothing new discussion wise on that slot I'm just gonna hammer to resolve it today

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Plat Phoe
Yeah I'm good hammering.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I'm 100% aware this probably looks forced AF
But the game has been stalled on this slot for 2 days