micro 886: mbos6 william tatney. game ogre

[DrDolittle]

Good idea tris
VOTE: Espresso

[DrDolittle]

mastina is mastina
Virtually every mastina is mastina.
Any of those three, if town, are sheepworthy.
She has a 75% chance of being town.
Therefore, there is a 75% chance that sheeping her vote is a good idea.

VOTE: tris

[DrDolittle]

I know Egduf personally. DrDrew and I will unveil this meta since its good for everyone

[DrDolittle]

Where's espresso when you need him

[DrDolittle]

FOR HAMMER TIME

[DrDolittle]

also to be less drowsy on this blessed day

[DrDolittle]

jesus said "do unto others as you had them do unto you"

[DrDolittle]

L-1

announced.

[DrDolittle]

Tbh i didn't see it until you mentioned it.

[DrDolittle]

yeah why not

[DrDolittle]

whats your reads

[DrDolittle]

that sounds like you dont have reads

[DrDolittle]

Ok. So the reason why I didn't want to commit on whether I'm seriously on tris' wagon is because it was more of a reaction, both on her and on everybody else. I think I got some fairly decent reads out of the following discussion. I'm dissatisfied with her response that she has reads, and then disappears without elaborating on them, but her overall posts in response to my L-1 was not a scum-flail.

With this said, I’m having a little trouble with Citceh due to the hydra and posting style, but I’m not sure that’s where I want to focus my attention pursue right now.

Clemency is so far consistent with his town game in 2040, among others where he makes funny irrelevant posts for the first couple of days. I think his post calling wanting day 1 to exceed page 2, and the fact that I like clemency means he can be town for now.

Espresso if town for me. Post 63 is an attempt at making sense of my posts and calling it out as he sees it. 71 is showing new-town player jurisprudence for avoiding a flash wagon, where he could have just ignored it and played for my lynch before page 5.

On the other hand I think Hopson is pretty scummy

VOTE: DrDolittle

Hi all. Sorry to not have posted yet. I'm gutted I missed the Tris wagon (which sure looked fun) but I've been caught in a snowdrift for the last few days and haven't had much internet access. Not sure why my vote appeared in the last votecount. I'm fairly sure I didn't vote for anyone. Somewhat suspicious of CITCEH since there's two players in one slot so they've clearly got twice the chance of being mafia as anyone else does. Also they haven't made any scumslips yet which is pretty suspicious.
[...]
If people would leave me alone with an L-1 wagon then this day would be over already. It's like you aren't even trying to set a record for quickest-micro-scum win.

Here's him trying to shift attention away from tris vs me, which is the dominant topic, onto something that largely irrelevant (and clearly a joke). But what he's saying is not even true. At the point there were still 2 votes on tris' wagon, and it has by no means fizzled.

Wow, what a discredit. Are you going to take that Edugf?

He attempts to set up a provocation between citeh and espresso to further derail hunting. This looks like a scum positioning into being able to push either expresso or citeh depending on how the game progresses. Hopson is both scummy independently, and could be scum with tris in that he's trying to push attention away.

VOTE: Hopson

[DrDolittle]

In other notes, im leaning drew town, and charles null (want to say scum, but as drew said, charles is charles, so)

[DrDolittle]

To bring us back on track (*cough* Hectic *cough*), I still want to hear more from Dolittle.

let's dance

[DrDolittle]

The unannounced L1.
Any opinion on Drew.
The wagon.
The alleged meta the other doc referenced.
Charles disliking DDL (unclear how Drew read DDL).

What was the point of that question btw?

-H

what's your comments on any of these?

[DrDolittle]

OwO is out of fashion for uwu please get with the program.

in actuality I don't even know how to respond to 102. Guess I'll wait for Hopkirk to check in?

[DrDolittle]

I played a game with Hopkirk as town and I remember him being vaguely serious.

For all your meme allowing citeh, why are you voting Charles for what's even more obvious a shitpost?

[DrDolittle]

Or is it just two heads talking? Just a small request, can you please sign your names consistently? I think I've gone through 4 or 5 and they're really getting me confused

[DrDolittle]

Nvm I think I'm just getting confused with your real accounts and what other people are calling you.

[DrDolittle]

Happy Friday night!

[DrDolittle]

Your town block is scummy. I'm making my own town block.

[DrDolittle]

Huh, why do I have the feeling that scum decided to no-kill out of some honour code? Anyone know people here that are the type of players to do something like that?

I think discussion on this is Wifom.

[DrDolittle]

VOTE: mastina

[DrDolittle]

im feel good about my mastina vote

[DrDolittle]

hopson + mastina is not a bad solve imo

[DrDolittle]

hey

[DrDolittle]

mastina's a much better player than what 236 exhibits, even when shes disengaged. But those reads sound false.

Like... her best read is still from page 1 on tris? The only association on me is that im off wagon, and somehow i become the biggest scum read.

it much rather sounds like lazy-scum doing positioning, and coming up with nonsensical poe to back it up.

[DrDolittle]

could you respond to 204?

Read the rest of it?
it just says:

vote drdo

[completely other irrelevant stuff that takes attn away from things]

[DrDolittle]

my other issue with hopkirk is that he's not playing like hopkirk in Slaxx.

[DrDolittle]

i took a quick scroll back. hopkirk there is tonally more assertive? I can't pinpoint it, but it reads difference. For reference
viewtopic.php?t=78680&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

[DrDolittle]

How are you reading Tris now DDL?

-hop

town.

her business with charles at eod is town frustration at charles self-hammering.

[DrDolittle]

255 - 257 seems pretty town as well

[DrDolittle]

Responding to this later 2night

[DrDolittle]

Actually I'm a bit lazy, so heres quick response. In 97 I didnt even say tris is town, I just said she didnt flail under my pressure. In 98, I copied drew in saying Charles is Charles and left it exactly that. If you were reading at all rather than misrep and trying to mislynch me you would figure it out

[DrDolittle]

My meta on you is sincere btw. You tone there is very different and doesnt match you town. And I provided specifics, in that you are more assertive that game and gave inciseful reads. Has anyone else had a chance to take a look?

[DrDolittle]

I think you're big scum dude

[DrDolittle]

Hows your read citceh

[DrDolittle]

Seems like everyone is following your advice to stay out of trouble and be peaceful

[DrDolittle]

Hmm

[DrDolittle]

I guess that's more content than what I wrote

[DrDolittle]

I didnt have anything to say, but the game is stalling so I figured I'd pop in. But the you popped in and I was going to call you out for a post with no content, but turns out mine has less, so

[DrDolittle]

Sure

[DrDolittle]

Yeah. Think scum would be more certain when using that specific of a meta argument.

[DrDolittle]

Hello. Popping in for 5 mi

All originate from the same source: early D1 play feeling forced/fabricated. [...]

None of these are particularly strong, mind you, though I feel that the reasoning on ddl is actually legitimately sound, solid logic which actually incriminates him.

Your case on me is literally - yo drdo is an awkward person that plays fabricated. But this is anything but LEGITIMATELY sound, solid logic. PS, if you go to my backlog of games, you can see that I'm always wagoned up pretty early. I think I just have an awkward playstyle.

I really don't get the scum reads on you, but I don't understand your scum read on me.

Which part of my case on mastina do you not understand - I can elaborate it more? Call it burden of proficiency, call it lurking scumbutt, call it senseless logic, but this is not town mastina playing.

Not sure if I said this @DDL so I'll repeat it: my issue with your meta was that you didn't check my scumgames AS WELL as my towngames...

Yeah I understand your concern hop. But this is the only game in which we played together, and you rolled town that game but, as you even admit yourself, is completely different play. I can't comment on your scum games, because I haven't seen it, and hastily made uncareful meta accusations is worse than no meta accusations.

[DrDolittle]

mislynch bait replaces clemency

!!!

[DrDolittle]

255 - 257 seems pretty town as well

Why is forgetting something from a past game towny? Her natural reaction to it? Could have that same reaction as scum too.

I think you're big scum dude

Other than Hopkirk's change in tone/seriousness, do you have any other reasons to scumread him? I can tell you know that you should write of his memery as mostly NAI, having played with him recently, especially off-site.

Seems like everyone is following your advice to stay out of trouble and be peaceful

Can't fault them for that. Serenity comes from within the soul, and if you look even more closely, you may even find a Paranoid Gun Owner in there.

-Hectic/Serena

1 - Scum is typically more careful because they naturally have less to work with. Anything they come up with, they need to double or triple check to make sure things are in fact correct, and whether mastina was town or scum in a game since very obvious to check
2 - I recall other things that have pinged me, but given this statement, I will drop the meta read a la mathdino. I'll loop back to ISO hop/W again, But right now my biggest scum read is mastina.

[DrDolittle]

I'm interested in you looking at a scumgame of mine and seeing what you think. I've been indirectly asking this for about a week now and feeling worse about you with every day that passed without you taking initiative to do it, and now I'm asking you directly.

do you want to link me to you scum games? I'll take a read maybe sometime tomorrow, but its a pretty laborious process

[DrDolittle]

Your case on me is literally - yo drdo is an awkward person that plays fabricated.

Yup, sure is!
The problem is your townplay isn't. You think it is, but it actually isn't.

Call it burden of proficiency, call it lurking scumbutt, call it senseless logic, but this is not town mastina playing.

mastina's a much better player than what 236 exhibits, even when shes disengaged. But those reads sound false.

Like... her best read is still from page 1 on tris? The only association on me is that im off wagon, and somehow i become the biggest scum read.

it much rather sounds like lazy-scum doing positioning, and coming up with nonsensical poe to back it up.

Let me ask a counter question: would you say that it's fair that I am a better scum player than what 236 exhibits?

but this is my townplay?
on one hand i appreciate you liking my town play. but on the other im not sure you have seen my town play and your read on me this game seems pretty clear evidence of that.

i don't know about your scum play, but your town play is definitely better than 236 exhibits.

[DrDolittle]

I don't like Citceh/DDL interactions either.

@DDL: what's your read on Citceh? You've been disturbingly quiet on them.

-Hop

more town than scum

[DrDolittle]

When should I claim?

[DrDolittle]

@Hop I commented on your meta in 127. But I also didn't like what you had, as stated in 97 and 100, in particular related to you being hypocritical, and leading away conversation. Granted it's pretty weak, but at page 5 or so, it was the best I got.

Regardless, going to read the games that you cited right now, but I wonder whether I'll be able to conclude anything, since I'm not too good at meta unless I actually played in the game.

[DrDolittle]

@DRDoLittle:

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on Mastina's 318. Why is she wrong?

-Hecterena

Let's talk this, actually. This is mastina's critique:

[DrDo's Post 97 is] Pure scum posting. It is the type of post that I enter the game when I'm scum making: a big post to try and be logical and establish strong stances which generate townreads, but all of it is forced. It is 100% entirely a scumpost. It's what made me go from thinking he's scum vaguely to "oh yeah this guy's lockscum".

It's sounds reasonable, until you thinka bout closely: hey being logical and trying to take stances is what town does. The only thing in there that accusatory is that it is "forced". That becomes a subjective statement then you need to go back and look at - is it forced? I argue a bit that it comes from that I may post awkwardly at first, and then she responds

Yup, sure is!
The problem is your townplay isn't. You think it is, but it actually isn't.

But it's nonsense, and I reiterate this in 324

but this is my townplay?
on one hand i appreciate you liking my town play. but on the other im not sure you have seen my town play and your read on me this game seems pretty clear evidence of that.

So either she's using a very subjective accusation on me and framing it as objective, and then supporting it by lying and misreping my meta - anyone who's played with me knows I get rang up in every game pretty early on - both of these makes me fairly certain that mastina will give a scum flip.

[DrDolittle]

Acknowledging 361 and 359 and will respond.

MLB is pretty smart so looking forward to his solve

[DrDolittle]

What do you two think of Drew?

Drew is less scummy than hop mastina and maybe you

[DrDolittle]

I not scum

[DrDolittle]

Sorry hop I didnt look at them metas. Was not getting into reading these games

[DrDolittle]

Is that the intent?

I claim informed

damp

tracker. I followed n1 hop but he didn't go anywhere.

the damp modifier allows me to track only when my vote is not on a town lynch or on a scum lynch.

The informed part I'll let out if everyone agrees on.

[DrDolittle]

MLB your case on me is less of a case then a commentary on what I've done. pushing a person does not make me scum.

[DrDolittle]

u smol brain

[DrDolittle]

the initial role pm with the dry modifier that does nothing is weird enough, don't you think?

my informed information is that there's an additional wetness modifier roles in game. it's not for the sake of cc-ing...

[DrDolittle]

u smol brain theres nothing to refute cause its nai facts in there

[DrDolittle]

i want to ask.
whats the plan when i flip town.

[DrDolittle]

I'm dead