micro 886: mbos6 william tatney. game ogre

[tris]

What's gonna happen to the votes!!!!??

VOTE: Espresso

Quick, let's lynch here! Drew can hammer!

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Does anyone know who william tatney is?

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yeah, that's all I can see from googling, so I guess schadd is just making something up. idk

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WOW! That reveal!

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Does anyone know who william tatney is?

Still Bobby speaking. This is CLEARLY an attempt to direct discussion towards non game-related and scum-finding stuff. How DISAPPOINTING. Let's lynch her with a THERMONUCLEAR WARHEAD. Glad to see we have you on our side, Mastina. Hope you enjoyed my fucking fantastic read. That's all from me for a couple of weeks.

VOTE: tris

I can't help but wonder about things in a mystery box game. But, rest assured; I will not avoid the scumhunting.

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Are the either of the townreads on me serious?

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Hey, everyone. This is Bobby McHec'bob speaking. First of all, I'd like to inform the mod that we don't plan on remaining anonymous (Hectic and Egduf). Best for EVERYONE involved if there's previous meta to examine. GREAT, I am SO happy that is now sorted out. Now that we have that out of the way and into the dumpster, I have some fucking fantastic reads I'd like to give out in my next post. Hope you BOTHER to read them.

I'm actually waiting for exactly that, because my plan going into this game was to sheep your vote.

looks like you have to vote for me.

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First of all, I'd like to inform the mod that we don't plan on remaining anonymous (Hectic and Egduf).

um

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Hey, that's

L-1

. We don't want a repeat of the Micc game.

VOTE: DrDolittle

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What do you need him for?

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I don't think Espresso would want to inflict on others what happened to him in that game.

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Why didn't you announce

L-1

?

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that's not an answer

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hmm

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Is your vote at all serious?

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I seem to be getting reads either way, but no one is explaining.

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i'll get back to you on that.

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I'm suspicious of you

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yeah, mostly. Except the second thing I said. I have some slight inclinations around other people, but I want to hear what they say when they come back first.

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@Mastina hasn't said anything since the Citceh identify reveal. What are your thoughts on their sheepworthiness now?

Actually 26 was before 31.

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I keep trying to think about this game, but I'm feeling a bit tired.

Espresso seems like he did last game, but I don't know what he's like as scum.

Charles is also being like Charles was, but I wonder if 90 and 94 might be fake.

@Clemency and Charles

I still want to know why you townread me.

more thoughts when I'm less tired.

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Yeah, I think espresso's town.

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Not really getting much of a read from the Egduf head.

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Actually, I would like to know why she felt the need to unvote in [post]60[/vote]. Especially since I wasn't at L-1 anymore.

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Espresso is regrettably looking like a town member here, he'd only be mafia with Doctor Hopson, and I mafiaread Doctor Hopson with EVERY fibre in my being. So Espresso can be town FOR NOW.

Wait, wouldn't this lead you to read espresso as possibly mafia?

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Doctor Drew:

I've noticed that several of your reads on others are based on meta from previously playing with them. Is there a recent game you could link me which had 3 or more of you in it? It would certainly be fruitful to read through such a game.

This game had 5 of us in it. It's a short one.

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I'm just null on the Citceh hydra

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Hopson slightly town.

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Espresso is regrettably looking like a town member here, he'd only be mafia with Doctor Hopson, and I mafiaread Doctor Hopson with EVERY fibre in my being. So Espresso can be town FOR NOW.

Wait, wouldn't this lead you to read espresso as possibly mafia?

What's the name of this game which had you 5 in it?

I just linked to it.

Yeah, I think espresso's town.

How come? Another meta read?

He just seems like he did in the aforementioned game. And furthermore, his thoughts have seemed to flow naturally.

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Why would claiming to be mafia be a scumtell?

-Hop

It certainly doesn't help town.

does it help mafia?

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What if that confusion causes someone to vote for that player? Like you did.

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If he were town, he wouldn't be trying to cause confusion

Town makes jokes sometimes.

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VOTE: DrDolittle

Hi all. Sorry to not have posted yet. I'm gutted I missed the Tris wagon (which sure looked fun) but I've been caught in a snowdrift for the last few days and haven't had much internet access. Not sure why my vote appeared in the last votecount. I'm fairly sure I didn't vote for anyone. Somewhat suspicious of CITCEH since there's two players in one slot so they've clearly got twice the chance of being mafia as anyone else does. Also they haven't made any scumslips yet which is pretty suspicious.
[...]
If people would leave me alone with an L-1 wagon then this day would be over already. It's like you aren't even trying to set a record for quickest-micro-scum win.

Here's him trying to shift attention away from tris vs me, which is the dominant topic, onto something that largely irrelevant (and clearly a joke). But what he's saying is not even true. At the point there were still 2 votes on tris' wagon, and it has by no means fizzled.

Trying to shift attention away from you vs me by voting for you?

[tris]

I think I still have a slight scumlean on Dolittle.

[tris]

Tris does seem different, almost seems she is just going to sit back and let town fight amongst themselves......same could be said for mastina.

I seem different from when I was scum and you think that means I'm scum?

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@Drew do you still scumread Hopson?

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I think Clemency is town.

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To clarify - yes, you vote for your scumread, but it's equally (if not more) important to develop town reads.

I second this. Additionally, it would help me read you if you give some townreads. (@Charles)

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In fact, here's a little encouragement. VOTE: Charles

This is L-1!

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No, that's not what I wanted. I'm guessing this means you're town.

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Or maybe you're scum who thinks they're done for cutting short the day?

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Are you town?

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I don't like DDL and Mastina hasn't really posted. That leaves you or Tris who I don't currently know how I feel about. Don't you want in?

-Hop

And where does dolittle fit into this?

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VOTE: mastina

[tris]

My vote on D1, while it was sheeping Citceh, wasn't exactly a joke.
I legitimately thought that tris was suspect.

Why did you suspect me at that point?

Also, could you explain your scumreads on Drew and Dolittle?

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I don't like DDL and Mastina hasn't really posted. That leaves you or Tris who I don't currently know how I feel about. Don't you want in?

-Hop

And where does dolittle fit into this?

Oh, wait. DDL is DrDolittle. lol

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hi, it appears we're supposed to be the scum team.

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hopson + mastina is not a bad solve imo

I've liked hopson as town

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could you respond to 204?

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It's looking like it's probably not mastina/DDL

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Like... her best read is still from page 1 on tris?

there is this from the original mbos.

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Like... her best read is still from page 1 on tris?

there is this from the original mbos.

She was town here fyi

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Wait no she was mafia

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Mastina, do you have examples of what you claimed about your RVS reads from a game when you were town?

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255 - 257 seems pretty town as well

For forgetting something?

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260 is talking about what she talked about in the post i linked to.

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It felt odd since I can see it as a fake question/busywork. Doesn't sound like the kind of thing Mastina would lie about since it's pretty easily falsifiable. Anyone whose played with her, or anyone who read her games and saw something different would call her out on it. Not really sure what you get out of a response from Mastina that's going to affect a read in this game substantially? Correct me if (/how) I'm not understanding your motivation.

-hop

I originally referenced that post as a possible counter to the idea that the early read on me is scummy, but I forgot she was scum in that game. So, i asked this question.

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- The L1 on Tris and the way he announced it felt fake. Now I'm leaning towards it feeling fake in a way that implicates Tris.

In what way does it implicate me?

- Not a fan of 97. The townread on Tris felt manufactured. The townreads feel political. The scumread on me felt like it was trying to nitpick a jokey entrance far too hard, and the only follow up was 100 which is a fairly lazy way to question your top scumread, that I'd partially responded to already, and that DDL didn't follow up on again.

Yeah, I haven't liked that post either.

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I think that one of mastina/Dolittle is mafia, but not both. But, I'm not sure which at this point.

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are we losing clemency?

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what?

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I'm waiting on the others mostly. i guess i could look at the meta argument you were making.

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I would like a response to this

255 - 257 seems pretty town as well

For forgetting something?

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you think if i was scum i would check my memories of that game before i use it as an example?

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Basically you're scumreads-for-lack-of-better-options, whereas ddl I actually feel is legit just obvscum.

He does seem scummy to me, but you seem different from when I've seen you as town. Like in mbos4 where you replaced into my slot.

@Tris: Why do you like me?

The was something about H's posts that seemed like genuine figuring things out, but looking over the ISO, I don't see it anymore. huh

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@mod V/LA 12-15

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I find both mastina and dolittle to be scummy, so I'm not sure where to go here.

The points mastina is making are a good argument, but she doesn't seem like town her. Why is that, mastina?

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Citeh, what the fuck?

Why put someone at L-1, tell them not to claim, and then immediately unvote. I know I haven't been super active, but this by far has been the scummiest shit I have seen all game.

Wouldn't be surprised if it isn't a DrDoo and you scum team.
VOTE: Citeh

What's so scummy about that? It seems like a natural enough changing of his mind. This vote actually seems kind of scummy to me. You're just going for something easy.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

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"Well we have 9 days of discussion, so not now."
It looks like he saw how much time was left in the day and that prompted the unvote.

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What do you two think of Drew?

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I mean.
I can scare scumteams. I know that quite often, I intimidate scum to the point where they are afraid of me to some extent, but objectively I am a shitty player. Not good at scumhunting, bullheaded, stubborn, prone to tunneling town, usually fighting town, dragging the town in the wrong direction. I have a saving grace of competency at setup spec, but even there, I'm not immune to making game-costing erroneous assessments.

What makes me be good in anyone's eyes?

For example, mbos4.

I have a disinterest in this game, true enough, and that has affected the passion of my reads, in the sense of not really strongly being attached to them yet also not really trying to evolve them, but while I obviously would prefer that to not happen, it happens almost every game at some point or another, so I know it can't be that.

This might be it.

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No, that's an example of you being bad town.

[tris]

What do you two think of Drew?

[tris]

What do you two think of Drew?

Drew is less scummy than hop mastina and maybe you

Care to elaborate?

(the only person who townread her was clememcy btw my slot so I know he's town)

And Charles. Or least that's what it looked like. He later clarified that he was saying that he had townread me in the last game we played.

- then L-1 happened and she suspected ddl for putting her at L-1 without any warning and she started doing playing seriously

Is there something wrong with playing seriously once you see something to seriously comment on?

She called drew for the 'easy vote' but her vote was kinda easy too after calling ddl/mastinas the whole d2 scum

I don't they're both scum. There's got to be scum elsewhere as well.

Uh ye ddl/tris unlikely to be s/s
Ddl had jokey tone and tris was like "u scummy ass is this real"

this read of mine is now null btw

They had the hedgiest read against each other
Look how shitty their interactions are it doesnt seem like they scumread each other but they still say they scumread each other somehow

Well, dolittle says he townreads me.

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There's some players I kind of lack a read on and that concerns me. I will look into that.

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i am willing to hammer this, but i want to hear from some others first. And, I'll reply to a few things

[tris]

What do you two think of Drew?

Drew is less scummy than hop mastina and maybe you

Care to elaborate?

(the only person who townread her was clememcy btw my slot so I know he's town)

And Charles. Or least that's what it looked like. He later clarified that he was saying that he had townread me in the last game we played.

- then L-1 happened and she suspected ddl for putting her at L-1 without any warning and she started doing playing seriously

Is there something wrong with playing seriously once you see something to seriously comment on?

She called drew for the 'easy vote' but her vote was kinda easy too after calling ddl/mastinas the whole d2 scum

I don't they're both scum. There's got to be scum elsewhere as well.

Uh ye ddl/tris unlikely to be s/s
Ddl had jokey tone and tris was like "u scummy ass is this real"

this read of mine is now null btw

They had the hedgiest read against each other
Look how shitty their interactions are it doesnt seem like they scumread each other but they still say they scumread each other somehow

Well, dolittle says he townreads me.

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There's some players I kind of lack a read on and that concerns me. I will look into that.

on my phone too lazy to format so hope u understand which part im talking about
- Charles didnt townread u when u said that
- Sure. Playing seriously when u see something to comment on is nai but what made it scummy is the timing when the votes piled on u
- wdym both scum? And theres scum elsewhere too? What
- dont think 'less scummy than u' is someone I would say to my townread

- 25 which came after [post24[/post]
- ok. but i don't think i would feel threatened by an rvs wagon as scum.
- i don't think both dolittle and mastina are scum. ergo there has to be a scum who is not one of them
- that is weird.

No, that's not what I wanted. I'm guessing this means you're town.

Or maybe you're scum who thinks they're done for cutting short the day?

Are you town?

slight look bad for tris here
It almost like shes trying to salvage a slip of tmi

it was just that my initial thought was that scum wouldn't kill themselves off like that and then thought of a reason they might

Oh ya its def not ddl/tris cos at least 1 of them is town

you seem to have gone back and forth on this a bit

u smol brain theres nothing to refute cause its nai facts in there

prove it
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i'll hammer once drew posts or tonight if he still hasn't yet. i agree that no one should counter claim

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i haven't seen anything happen with the votes yet????

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we'll find out then if that's the case.

VOTE: DrDolittle

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that sounds like a scum-death to me

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it's not like mafia couldn't know about some wetness thing. I would have hammered anyway

pedit:yeah

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I have nothing to claim. Drew seems scummiest to me.

it's really late. i'll take more of a look tomorrow

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Citeh, what the fuck?

Why put someone at L-1, tell them not to claim, and then immediately unvote. I know I haven't been super active, but this by far has been the scummiest shit I have seen all game.

Wouldn't be surprised if it isn't a DrDoo and you scum team.
VOTE: Citeh

Where did the DDL scumread come from in this post?
The last time you mentioned him, you called him probtown, and I can't see any mention of him until this post.

-Hectoc/Sorena

I would like an answer to this drew

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Also, is your scumread of Citceh based solely on that unvote?

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because i'm just vt

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How can you be so sure of that if you're being lynched!

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Don't you think Citceh is mafia? Lynching you then me would lead to Citceh winning in that case.

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I think he's just given up.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

That's the hammer!

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You sure about that?

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Is the game not over?

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L-1

, btw.

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Was that a genuine reaction?

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yeah. UNVOTE:

let me think

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Why are you so resigned to being lynched?

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I'm thinking Drew was being genuine. His reactions felt authentic.

I guess that leaves Citceh.

Mastina, MLB, and Hopson are probably town.

VOTE: Citceh

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Isn't the game solved already? Tris and Drew. Only way this isn't solved is if it's 3 mafia who can't kill- in which case the modkill effectively invalidated the game.

VOTE: Tris

-Hop

Why can't it be Citceh?

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@DRDoLittle:

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on Mastina's 318. Why is she wrong?

-Hecterena

Let's talk this, actually. This is mastina's critique:

[DrDo's Post 97 is] Pure scum posting. It is the type of post that I enter the game when I'm scum making: a big post to try and be logical and establish strong stances which generate townreads, but all of it is forced. It is 100% entirely a scumpost. It's what made me go from thinking he's scum vaguely to "oh yeah this guy's lockscum".

It's sounds reasonable, until you thinka bout closely: hey being logical and trying to take stances is what town does. The only thing in there that accusatory is that it is "forced". That becomes a subjective statement then you need to go back and look at - is it forced? I argue a bit that it comes from that I may post awkwardly at first, and then she responds

Yup, sure is!
The problem is your townplay isn't. You think it is, but it actually isn't.

But it's nonsense, and I reiterate this in 324

but this is my townplay?
on one hand i appreciate you liking my town play. but on the other im not sure you have seen my town play and your read on me this game seems pretty clear evidence of that.

So either she's using a very subjective accusation on me and framing it as objective, and then supporting it by lying and misreping my meta - anyone who's played with me knows I get rang up in every game pretty early on - both of these makes me fairly certain that mastina will give a scum flip.

Of the three he only ever tries to win Citceh to his side.

-Hop

Alright, you've changed my mind back. VOTE: drew

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L-1

of course

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Well, that's an actual kill during the night.

VOTE: No Lynch

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why my vote specifically?

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UNVOTE:

What? I don't see that?

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I guess there's no need to no lynch now that it's between Hopson and mastina

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Well, I've already claimed.

Yes, these games, the Mystery Box of Silver series in particular, are known for having interesting twists. Some things are red herrings. I still don't know what's up with that message to keep an eye on the votes.

[tris]

So, Hopson. Do you want to claim what's up with your role?

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Has anyone not claimed yet?

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So, if everyone, if they are town, is a VT, then what has been stopping the mafia kills?

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In the previous mbos games, there's been parts of the setups which aren't a specific player's role

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you already made that joke

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Is that the intent?

I claim informed

damp

tracker. I followed n1 hop but he didn't go anywhere.

the damp modifier allows me to track only when my vote is not on a town lynch or on a scum lynch.

The informed part I'll let out if everyone agrees on.

This strong implies to us there is a mafia pr, not two goons. Also looks like mafia do have a fail condition on their kill.

-hop

Could you explain both of those conclusions?

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Considering reasons for no kill

Mafia has a condition like redacted. Only Mastina would be mafia.
Mafia can kill or do something to block my action instead. Only tris would be clear.
Something to do with voting- doesn't appear possible, would be Mastina unless something else applied.
Limited shots- feels broken.

-both by hop

I don't understand how each of these scenarios lead to those conclusions.

[tris]

Is that the intent?

I claim informed

damp

tracker. I followed n1 hop but he didn't go anywhere.

the damp modifier allows me to track only when my vote is not on a town lynch or on a scum lynch.

The informed part I'll let out if everyone agrees on.

This strong implies to us there is a mafia pr, not two goons.

I want this specifically to be explained.

[tris]

Would want to avoid Tris or Mastina voting no lynch if possible so run down the day timer intentionally without voting or doing anything?

what would this accomplish? mafia could just decide to no kill.

[tris]

so are we no lynching?

[tris]

where are you all!

[tris]

Alright then
Now lets end this day and u can check her tonight

VOTE: No lynch

this is what we should do right?

[tris]

VOTE: no lynch

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oh, sorry. UNVOTE:

and,

I approve of ending the day

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hopson? mlb?

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oh we reached the deadline naturally

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I've been townreading Mislynch Bait, so my first inclination is to vote for Hopson, but I'll go take a look back over the game and see if I still think that.

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Any ideas why mastina was killed?

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I will when/if I decide that i'm confident you're town.

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Sorry, I wasn't able to get around to this today.

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I like how MLB has been analyzing the game. Seems like natural thoughts to me. But, I'm unsure if Dolittle vs Hopson is distancing or actual scum vs town. Also, I don't know why MLB is still alive. I was thinking he was going to die last night.

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i was wondering why mastina would be killed because she was top suspect yesterday. as i said, i was expecting you to die

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Why arent people begging me not to lynch them yet

why do you assume we should be assuming you're town?

[tris]

I really need to stop putting off figuring this out. I think both of you need to be prodded though.

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i was wondering why mastina would be killed because she was top suspect yesterday. as i said, i was expecting you to die

I like how MLB has been analyzing the game. Seems like natural thoughts to me. But, I'm unsure if Dolittle vs Hopson is distancing or actual scum vs town. Also, I don't know why MLB is still alive. I was thinking he was going to die last night.

then stop asking why and get ur opinion over it

Well, obviously it could be because you're mafia and can't kill yourself.

Hopkirk could be trying to set you up. Although, I don't really see that in the way he seems to be trending towards just lynching me.

A third option I just thought of is that the mafia could have some kind of restriction in who they can kill that is linked to why they haven't been able to kill some nights.

Actually, I can see how scum!hopkirk could see mastina as being unlikely to be lynched because of she got dolittle lynched. My perspective was skewed by the fact I know I was starting to suspect mastina again.

I guess my conclusion is that you probably aren't mafia for that.

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I'm going to look again at hopson's interactions with dolittle and decide whether I think it's a bus or if it's real.

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Why arent people begging me not to lynch them yet

why do you assume we should be assuming you're town?

why do u think so?

do you think you are obviously town? I think you've been towny, but it's not a sure thing.

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I've decided. VOTE: Doctor Hopson

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cool

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oh

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i suck

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At least it's over now