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Post Post #9  (isolation #0)  » Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:32 am

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Post Post #43  (isolation #1)  » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:46 am

VOTE: P003: Yea

P004: The player who makes a proposal is automatically assumed to be voting for it.

VOTE: P004
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Post Post #44  (isolation #2)  » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:46 am

P003 is at L-1 rn.
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Post Post #49  (isolation #3)  » Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:09 pm

@mod P004 passes

P006: Any rule which has an effect retroactively requires a supermajority to pass.

VOTE: P005 Yea

OkaPoka wrote:VOTE: p005 nay

Rather than 'winning' let's have an office of an executive.


Why can't we have botth? Winning doesn't end the game.

P007: The office of Executive is established.
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Post Post #71  (isolation #4)  » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:41 pm

Wow this blew up fast.

VOTE: P001: Nay

It bans other currencies, which could concievably become a problem.

VOTE: P008: Yea

I imagine this would be used for one-time effects, which distinguish motions from normal proposals.

VOTE: P009: Nay

This doesn't forbid players from making proposals during other people's turns, which appears to be the intent.

VOTE: P010: Yea

This is simple but might become useful at some point. No obvious drawbacks.

VOTE: P011: Nay

Ah, I see. This supports P009. I don't really like the idea of restricting proposals in this way, though.

VOTE: P012: Nay

This relies on P011, which I'm against.

VOTE: P013: Yea [hammer]

lol how did we miss this.

VOTE: P014: Yea

Again, beneficial procedurally, and no obvious drawbacks.

VOTE: P015: Nay

I feel like this could turn in to a bad Nomic version of hammertesting.

VOTE: P016: Nay

510 at first, but you only lose 5 for breaking the rules, and you get 51 per week? You can afford to break the rules daily and still turn a profit.

VOTE: P017: Nay

I have a different idea for implementing a similar system, outlined in my next non-voting focused post.

VOTE: P0018: Yea

The resetting of votes makes this reasonable.
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Post Post #72  (isolation #5)  » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:50 pm

P0019: Any group of players may, at any time, declare themselves a COALITION. The CHAIR of said coalition must post the name of the coalition in the thread, as well as all players who are part of it. All listed players must confirm that they are part of this coalition. Once they do, the coalition is official, and can determine its own rules and regulations to be followed by its members. The chair of a coalition may exercise any ex officio right granted to him by a proposal.

P0020: If permitted, either conditionally or otherwise, by the rules of his coalition, the chair of a coalition may exercise some or all of the votes delegated by members of his coalition. If the chair does so, the players whose votes are delegated are treated as if they themselves had voted in the standard way. Any vote delegated to a chair may be changed by the delegating player at will.

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This allows official groups to form, and lets people give their votes to other people. The player can even change their vote if they disagree with the chair's decision.
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Post Post #74  (isolation #6)  » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:55 pm

In post 73, OkaPoka wrote:point of recognizing groups officially?

It makes future modifications possible, such as other rights for chairs. It achieves a similar goal as yours (maybe even the same if someone created a coalition where the only rule was identical to your proposition), but allows for more generalization.
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Post Post #76  (isolation #7)  » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:57 pm

Note that P0019 does not forbid a player from being in multiple coalitions, but P0020 does prevent the vote of a player on multiple coalitions from counting twice.

Pedit: I see what you mean. I'm definitely open to changes to P020.
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Post Post #83  (isolation #8)  » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:19 pm

In post 77, Inferno390 wrote:We need one more vote to hammer 13 I think

I think mine was 4, which is majority with 7 players.
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Post Post #84  (isolation #9)  » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:21 pm

In post 78, Inferno390 wrote:Things we need to still:
Define what a proposal is
Define what a proposal can do
Define what transmuting, amending, and repealing rules are
Tell what majority it takes to create a rule (right now we’re working off of super majority, which is fine, but the rules don’t say this)


Either someone can work on writing these up or I’ll do it after school today, whichever ends up happening first.

No? 204 says absolute majority.
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Post Post #86  (isolation #10)  » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:30 pm

Inferno390 wrote:Clearly I can't read or comprehend what I'm reading or think in general

P013 passes. I'll update the wiki later tonight.

It's fine, we all have days lilke that.

VOTE: Yea on all of P021-P026, assuming that the minimal obvious grammatical/procedural changes are made.
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Post Post #154  (isolation #11)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:48 am

In post 123, skitter30 wrote:
In post 106, Aronis wrote:Other positions may be added to aid the Chair at their discretion.


@aronis i'm not sure i like this part of your currency proposition

+1

This is abig improvement, but it's still not quite what I'm looking for.
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Post Post #155  (isolation #12)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:52 am

VOTE: P027: No
VOTE: P028: No
VOTE: P029: Yea
VOTE: P030: No
VOTE: P031: Yea
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Post Post #156  (isolation #13)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:56 am

P032: Any action not prohibited is permitted, unless it relates to official matters in the rules, in which case it is prohibited if not permitted.
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Post Post #168  (isolation #14)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:40 pm

P006 is not redundant, a supermajority is not the same as an absolute majority. One is 2/3, one is 1/2.
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Post Post #203  (isolation #15)  » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:32 pm

In post 202, Inferno390 wrote:Housekeeping

Wiki is updated

Thebtrue hero of this thread. My vote for executive if we ever pass that bill.
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Post Post #204  (isolation #16)  » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:38 pm

VOTE: Yea P027 my issues wwith this have been worked out. I don't love the game moderartor clause of sect. B, but I can live with it.

VOTE: Yea P033 essentially Nomic's no talking about ongoing games rule

VOTE: Yea P034 this is a good idea, setting up a framework, even before it's used, is key.

VOTE: Nay P035 I like the idea, but we don't need this yet. 8 players is less than a micro, and this thread hasn't been flooded yet. I'd be open to this once the game gets moving quicker.
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Post Post #206  (isolation #17)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:36 pm

In post 200, OkaPoka wrote:Proposal P038 The Nomic Committee Room
Officially create a nomic thread called "The Committee Room" in Frogstar World B where discussion about creating extensive or small bills can be held before they are submitted to the floor for votes.

This is actually P035, 035-037 were proposed unofficially so they haven't actually been proposed yet.
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Post Post #242  (isolation #18)  » Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:00 pm

Can someone update the wiki page? I can't keep track of it all just from reading the thread.
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Post Post #247  (isolation #19)  » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:16 pm

In post 243, Inferno390 wrote:Sorry been really busy to keep everything up to date

It's fine, thanks a load for your effort.
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Post Post #248  (isolation #20)  » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:19 pm

VOTE: Yea on P036-038
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Post Post #255  (isolation #21)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:29 am

VOTE: Yea P039 cause the inflation rate won't be too bad. I assume the Charleton reserve will pay this?
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Post Post #257  (isolation #22)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:42 am

In post 256, James Brafin wrote:All players need to be able to update the wiki before I vote yes on this.
Once that happens, I’m in full support.

I think any player can? I'd have to check the wiki though.
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Post Post #268  (isolation #23)  » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:50 pm

Bump.
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Post Post #272  (isolation #24)  » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:03 am

P030 All players must post in the game thread a minimum of once per week, excluding v/la.
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Post Post #274  (isolation #25)  » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:14 am

whoops, I take back P030 then. just trying to get some action going in the thread.
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Post Post #296  (isolation #26)  » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:56 pm

VOTE: P039 Yea

did someone say leader?

P040: The office of executive is established.
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