GROUP CHAT 2 - TREE SOVEREIGNTY

[Menalque]

Why do you think so in this particular situation? Ordinarily I’d agree but I think the specifics of this game make my theory more likely.

I think it's obvious that I'd be hypersensitive to scum manipulation here. That's why I'm leaning so heavily on PP's word rather than anyone else's. I don't really think scum would heavily push to mislynch a PR like that, that would be a great way to instantly draw suspicion.

Yeah, but in a situation where I would be the packaged and ribboned gift for them to win lylo. Like, I’ve been leading this. Multiple people are thinking I could be scum. Basically my only chance of a clear is if pine flips scum rn. Why, if others joined me, would they be lynched over me when I’d look awful tomorrow?

Not to mention there’d be two of them left, so they’d only need to convince one remaining townie to vote me and they could quickhammer it.

[Menalque]

And again, let’s talk about why you no longer trust me then? It was the sky add, right? Why do you think scum!me does that?

...if she's your partner?
...to WIFOM her being your partner?
...to keep an easy mislynch around for LYLO?

(And that's not the only thing, either; I never really had you above nulltown.)

Did you? I thought you were pretty solidly TRing me for a while there?

Why do I add my partner to try and get a PR lynch through, knowing that I’ll die the next day? Why not add someone else, come around to the idea and then bus for the credit?

[Menalque]

But okay, I do take your point, there are good reasons for scu!me to add sky here whether she’s town or scum. And scum!me might have gone for that move thinking the risk was worth the potential reward. But in this case that’s just not what it is. I did it for the exact reasons I said, because I’m town and I’m telling the truth. And even if you think the move was dodgy, I think my play right now is incredibly towny.

[Something_Smart]

Because you/gobble is a viable team. If it's you/gobble you have to get Pine killed or you lose on the spot.

So if gobble flips town, it will make you look better. I don't necessarily know who I would vote between you two if that happened.

[Menalque]

I’m honestly starting to wonder if you’re scum SS, but it’s just not fruitful because I don’t see how I’m ever winning against you given the gamestate which is why I’m continuing off the basis that you’re town and genuinely aren’t seeing why pine is the better kill today.

[Something_Smart]

At 699, dammit stop posting so much

[Menalque]

So I’d gobble flips scum I’m scum, if pine flips town I’m scum?

If govble flips town I’m slightly townier, if pine flips scum I’m very town?

Do you see why I want pine here? Think about if from town!me’s pov. Based on what I think you’re saying, in which of those two worlds am I easier to mislynch given that I SR pine?

[Menalque]

Sorry, I’ll try to slow down. I just like interacting in real time and I think if you can see me as town then we win whereas if you can’t then we lose. It’s as simple as that.

[Something_Smart]

It's not that I can't see your argument. I can see it. I think you're exaggerating the risk of Pine fake guiltying you and mislynching you.

You both could still be town, and even if you're not, I don't think I'd necessarily side with him if gobble flipped town.

[gobbledygook]

If on the hailmary you add me and pine flips scum, PP should announce who he is targeting because he becomes a public cop essentially.

We already covered this-- he will target Skyslot.

He shouldn't adhere to this with my death. He should be free to target who he wishes because my death and this public action will still result in his death.

But I don't think it's a good idea to act on my own scumread, which I'm not super confident on, when the two people I trust most are saying Pine is town.

Like, it sucks that Elsa and Menalque put us in this position, and I do think there's a reasonable chance that you are town, but there's also a reasonable chance that you both are town and in that case it's better to keep Pine.

Cluck the haters, know what I'm saying?

No, I understand. I will say though that you are not really solving anything by capitulating in this moment. You will be presented with an almost identical choice tomorrow between Pine and Sky. By choosing me, you are betting the game on Sky being scum. Additionally, you are also narrowing your own townbloc even further since, correct me if I am wrong, you townread me as strong as you town read PP.

Menalque, I think scumSS would have let me get my two cents in, but then immediately have killed me or Pine (and if scumSS is scum with either of us, he would have killed the town one in that pair). The fact that SS is letting this day continue despite having full control to kill a townie (from the perspective of scumSS) means he is more than likely town.

I won't be back tonight, so good luck with whatever decision you make, SS. I will reiterate that the scum is Pine/Sky as my final reads list. Good luck town.

[Something_Smart]

Menalque, how confident are you even that Pine is scum?

[Something_Smart]

you townread me as strong as you town read PP.

You are wrong, I think you have a decent chance of flipping scum.

[Menalque]

Menalque, how confident are you even that Pine is scum?

80%

I think pine would flip scum here four times out of five and I’m willing to bet a game on that kind of odds

[Something_Smart]

PP is probably at least 80% on Pine being town, though.

[gobbledygook]

you townread me as strong as you town read PP.

You are wrong, I think you have a decent chance of flipping scum.

Wow.

[Errantparabola]

Enter replaces Skygazer.

[Errantparabola]

status update 2.9

Cool members of the group chat:

Elsa Jay
Menalque
Enter
PenguinPower
Something_Smart

Cool non-members of the group chat:

Pine
gobbledygook

Something_Smart

must choose someone to add to the group chat in (expired on 2019-09-15 22:47:00)

Spoiler: Votecount

vote count 2.9

For a Day 2 special discount, the price of voting is 15 dollars.

Not Voting

(7): Pine, PenguinPower, Enter, Elsa Jay, Something_Smart, Menalque, gobbledygook

Enter owes me $69.00
gobbledygook owes me $60.00
Menalque owes me $50.00
PenguinPower owes me $31.00
Something_Smart owes me $20.00
Elsa Jay owes me $20.00
Pine owes me $19.00

[Something_Smart]

Hi Enter

Do you prefer catching up during the day or during the night?

[Pine]

Skygazer never gets nightkilled here, as she’s either scum or a likely ML target. 99% it’s either PP or I

There’s no pressure

[Enter]

Depends when I'm awake.
Oh. You meant game time.
I don't know that I care all too much? I'm gonna say day for now.

[Pine]

Ufgggff

This day is interminable

[Enter]

you townread me as strong as you town read PP.

You are wrong, I think you have a decent chance of flipping scum.

Menalque, how confident are you even that Pine is scum?

80%

I think pine would flip scum here four times out of five and I’m willing to bet a game on that kind of odds

PP is probably at least 80% on Pine being town, though.

Feel free to select whichever one is not Pine. Menalque is right here.

[Something_Smart]

Enter has said he's fine catching up overnight.

Sorry if town.

Add: Pine

[gobbledygook]

Was town. gg scum. Town loses this for sure.

[Something_Smart]

I don't think that's necessarily true. I think Elsa and I have a good shot at figuring this out.