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Post Post #900 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:56 am

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Other people pretending that my scum proficiency isn't the reason they won't townread nsg and I
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Post Post #901 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:58 am

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In post 856, NC 39 wrote:
In post 829, Hectic wrote:
In post 352, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 206, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 202, RC most awesomest wrote:sky give extension

-nsg
This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy
The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.
@Espresso:
Outside of the coalition, I would lynch LUV>Great


torn about LUV though, like the quote above, how likely is Sky to extend the day if scum are so openly against it in the thread like this?

but then i don't like LUV's pop ins this game and i dislike his buddying of RCMA so i'm not sure
LUV was inside the coalition, so why then Alchemist > GREAT?

Why aren’t you voting LUV or GREAT then?
whoops, i meant LUV>Great inside the coalition, but Great wasn't even in the coalition so disregard please

outside the coalition: Alchemist>>Great

inside the coalition: LUV>>Gamma?>???
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Post Post #902 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:40 am

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@Hectic
Why LUV over Gamma?
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Post Post #903 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:15 pm

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In post 829, Hectic wrote:
In post 352, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 206, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 202, RC most awesomest wrote:sky give extension

-nsg
This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy
The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.
@Espresso: Outside of the coalition, I would lynch LUV>Great

torn about LUV though, like the quote above, how likely is Sky to extend the day if scum are so openly against it in the thread like this?

but then i don't like LUV's pop ins this game and i dislike his buddying of RCMA so i'm not sure
In post 830, Hectic wrote:oh and his LAMIST posts earlier in the game
In post 831, Hectic wrote:Gamma's responses are really lazy but they feel genuine to me, like he's not overreacting or being really defensive, just taking the criticism as criticism of his town game
^these basically, Spangled
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Post Post #904 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:12 pm

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In post 884, NC 39 wrote:
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What do you think of Hectic, at least in part, basing his Alchemist vote on his read of RC’s alignment? [...]
I think Hectic has been pretty consistently against Alchemist on his own, even going back to fairly early in the game:
In post 281, Hectic wrote: [...]
VOTE: Alchemist
I also recall Hectic disagreeing with RC's stonewalling of me earlier in the game, so his Alchemist sr is probably his own.

Hectic was likely waiting for an opportunity to go on Alchemist + RC's vote was a good chance to do so.
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Post Post #905 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:17 pm

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@Hectic
How were his earlier posts LAMIST?

@GREAT
How do you feel about Alchemist kicking the bucket today? Also, is there any reason you’re doing those semi-catchup posts and then disappearing? It makes it really difficult to remember to engage with you, and hear your thoughts or feelings on specific things in real-time.
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Post Post #906 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:18 pm

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In post 904, EspressoPatronum wrote: Hectic was likely waiting for an opportunity to go on Alchemist + RC's vote was a good chance to do so.
This sounds like you’re accusing Hectic of opportunism... but the rest of the post seems not to indicate that...
Remind me, what’s your read on Hectic?
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Post Post #907 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:24 pm

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Also, GREAT, could you flesh out your read on EP a bit? I could maybe see it; he’s definitely been losing out in both tone and content lately, but I’d like a more solid case than that, because right now it’s not something I can see going anywhere, ‘cause his tone and content at the start
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Post Post #908 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:46 pm

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In post 906, Spangled wrote:
In post 904, EspressoPatronum wrote: Hectic was likely waiting for an opportunity to go on Alchemist + RC's vote was a good chance to do so.
This sounds like you’re accusing Hectic of opportunism... but the rest of the post seems not to indicate that...
Remind me, what’s your read on Hectic?
Town.

I don't see why town can't be opportunistic. It seems to me as though Alch was Hectic's top scum read + he probably wouldn't have voted outside of the coalition without support.
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Post Post #909 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:11 pm

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In post 833, Spangled wrote:
In post 831, Hectic wrote:Gamma's responses are really lazy but they feel genuine to me, like he's not overreacting or being really defensive, just taking the criticism as criticism of his town game
I just feel like in his cop game he was actually more active and proactive and less sheepy, which seems like the opposite to what you’d expect...
I’m very conflicted on how to read his general nonchalance, actually.
I don't think I've ever had a quiet cop game actually lol
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Post Post #910 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:14 pm

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In post 844, NC 39 wrote:So, if we vote inside coalition today and if we don’t get a scumflip, why is this different after that?
My opinion on this is we should have a nightkill to work worth and possibly interpret so at that point maybe it will be clear scum are split between in and out
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Post Post #911 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:17 pm

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In post 861, NC 39 wrote:
In post 848, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 844, NC 39 wrote:
In post 802, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 768, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'd vote Alchemist
Why are you considering voting outside the coalition?
In post 803, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 774, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.
We're not doing it the whole game, just starting there day 1.
LUV was the first one to suggest, that limiting lynches to just inside coalition was antitown but no one so far, has explained why.

Espresso agreed but just not on D1. So, if we vote inside coalition today and if we don’t get a scumflip, why is this different after that? @Espresso, your take on that confuses me.
@NC that's Gamma's quote, not mine
In post 775, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 774, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.
I think you're right in the long term, but I see no reason why voting outside of it now is a good idea.
Looking at it Espresso does have a point, you kinda assigned my terms to Espresso's idea
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Post Post #912 (ISO) » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:18 pm

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In post 867, EspressoPatronum wrote:I did a quick skim of Alchemist's town SC game, town Overkill game, and the scum SC game and I honestly can't tell the difference between them.

If I had to pick something, he seemed a bit more proactive in the scum SC game compared to the others, but not by much.
Eh I'd try to meta Alchemist but I kinda recall blowing it last time I did it
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Post Post #913 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:24 am

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In post 908, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 906, Spangled wrote:
In post 904, EspressoPatronum wrote: Hectic was likely waiting for an opportunity to go on Alchemist + RC's vote was a good chance to do so.
This sounds like you’re accusing Hectic of opportunism... but the rest of the post seems not to indicate that...
Remind me, what’s your read on Hectic?
Town.

I don't see why town can't be opportunistic. It seems to me as though Alch was Hectic's top scum read +
he probably wouldn't have voted outside of the coalition without support.
How is that anything other than NAI?
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Post Post #914 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:34 am

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In post 910, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 844, NC 39 wrote:So, if we vote inside coalition today and if we don’t get a scumflip, why is this different after that?
My opinion on this is we should have a nightkill to work worth and possibly interpret so at that point maybe it will be clear scum are split between in and out
I didn’t think about that but I can see how it may possibly shed light on possible pairings, like if LUV were to flip scum, GREAT is extremely unlikely to be his partner, probably based on activity levels.
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Post Post #915 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:36 am

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Spoiler:
In post 911, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 861, NC 39 wrote:
In post 848, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 844, NC 39 wrote:
In post 802, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 768, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'd vote Alchemist
Why are you considering voting outside the coalition?
In post 803, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 774, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.
We're not doing it the whole game, just starting there day 1.
LUV was the first one to suggest, that limiting lynches to just inside coalition was antitown but no one so far, has explained why.

Espresso agreed but just not on D1. So, if we vote inside coalition today and if we don’t get a scumflip, why is this different after that? @Espresso, your take on that confuses me.
@NC that's Gamma's quote, not mine
In post 775, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 774, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.
I think you're right in the long term, but I see no reason why voting outside of it now is a good idea.
Looking at it Espresso does have a point, you kinda assigned my terms to Espresso's idea
You both essentially said the same thing, though he made the point first.
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Post Post #916 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:46 am

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In post 912, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 867, EspressoPatronum wrote:I did a quick skim of Alchemist's town SC game, town Overkill game, and the scum SC game and I honestly can't tell the difference between them.

If I had to pick something, he seemed a bit more proactive in the scum SC game compared to the others, but not by much.
Eh I'd try to meta Alchemist but I kinda recall blowing it last time I did it
I still think he’s town but RC’s confidence is making me kind of paranoid, because I was so wrong on him in SC 2.
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Post Post #917 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:48 am

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In post 780, Skygazer wrote:
VC 1.18


Lil Uzi Vert (3): Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum, Hectic
Gamma Emerald (2): Alchemist21, Spangled
Hectic (1): YOUAREGREAT
Alchemist21 (1): RC most awesomest
EspressoPatronum (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (1): NC 39

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-14 23:59:59).
@Sky, can we get an updated VC please?
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Post Post #918 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:49 am

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In post 914, NC 39 wrote:
In post 910, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 844, NC 39 wrote:So, if we vote inside coalition today and if we don’t get a scumflip, why is this different after that?
My opinion on this is we should have a nightkill to work worth and possibly interpret so at that point maybe it will be clear scum are split between in and out
I didn’t think about that but I can see how it may possibly shed light on possible pairings, like if LUV were to flip scum, GREAT is extremely unlikely to be his partner, probably based on activity levels.
And vice-versa.
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Post Post #919 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:57 am

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In post 917, NC 39 wrote:
In post 780, Skygazer wrote:
VC 1.18


Lil Uzi Vert (3): Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum, Hectic
Gamma Emerald (2): Alchemist21, Spangled
Hectic (1): YOUAREGREAT
Alchemist21 (1): RC most awesomest
EspressoPatronum (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (1): NC 39

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-14 23:59:59).
@Sky, can we get an updated VC please?
So Hectic and Spangled are both voting for Alchemist now.

I think this VC is accurate otherwise?

So, is that 3-2 for Alchemist over LUV currently?
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Post Post #920 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:59 am

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In post 772, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:What’s the case on Alchemist again?
Why is your vote still on Espresso? You made that vote prior to coalition outcome.
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Post Post #921 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:03 am

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In post 913, NC 39 wrote:
In post 908, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 906, Spangled wrote:
In post 904, EspressoPatronum wrote: Hectic was likely waiting for an opportunity to go on Alchemist + RC's vote was a good chance to do so.
This sounds like you’re accusing Hectic of opportunism... but the rest of the post seems not to indicate that...
Remind me, what’s your read on Hectic?
Town.

I don't see why town can't be opportunistic. It seems to me as though Alch was Hectic's top scum read +
he probably wouldn't have voted outside of the coalition without support.
How is that anything other than NAI?
Agreed. My town read of Hectic is not because of said opportunism. I was addressing it bcz Spangled said I was accusing (ie. Insinuating Hectic was scum) with my opportunism comment.

My reasons for my Hectic tr are fleshed out earlier in my posts + they haven't changed since.
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Post Post #922 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:07 am

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Voting outside of the coalition is objectively bad from a probability standpoint.
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Post Post #923 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:08 am

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What do you think of the current VC?
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Post Post #924 (ISO) » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:11 am

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Yeah, I think so too.

So, I liked Gamma’s recent posting more than LUV’s, so I should probably vote him.

@To everyone voting outside coalition today, why do you think that’s better?
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