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Post Post #29  (isolation #0)  » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:09 pm

VOTE: Hectic

is a pretty spicy first post to make

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Post Post #36  (isolation #1)  » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:13 pm

In post 32, Elements wrote:I thought aaron was scum from looking at the player list. Now his avatar and signature have confirmed this.
VOTE: ArronFrost

At least spell my name right dude

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Post Post #58  (isolation #2)  » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:38 pm

In post 55, Azuresky wrote:You know, with people meta-reading Hetic as town, I like my vote even more.

Skitter and Reaper need votes too. Skitter left a vote on at L-1 and reaper's opening vote was terrible too.

Elements annoys me. I don't feel like listening to him/her at this point.

Wasn't Reaper the one who put the vote at L-1?

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Post Post #102  (isolation #3)  » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:24 am

UNVOTE:

I'm convinced Hectic is town now. Reaper is probably telling the truth.

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Post Post #103  (isolation #4)  » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:25 am

I'll place my vote on someone who I think has a decent chance of being scum

VOTE: Azuresky

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Post Post #110  (isolation #5)  » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:37 am

In post 104, Elements wrote:
In post 103, AaronFrost wrote:I'll place my vote on someone who I think has a decent chance of being scum

VOTE: Azuresky

Why do you think they have a decent chance of being scum?

They seem apathetic to everything that's happened so far and I think this post (un)intentionally started the Reaper wagon.
In post 55, Azuresky wrote:You know, with people meta-reading Hetic as town, I like my vote even more.

Skitter and Reaper need votes too. Skitter left a vote on at L-1 and reaper's opening vote was terrible too.

Elements annoys me. I don't feel like listening to him/her at this point.

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Post Post #113  (isolation #6)  » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:58 pm

Except that's not at all why I'm voting for you. My vote was done as a reaction test based off of a post of yours that pinged me.

I dislike the Reaper wagon because of the weak reasoning for it. Given how fast the game started off, it's pretty likely that Reaper didn't realize he was putting Elements as L-1 and I think most of us would unvote in that situation when it's pointed out that you put someone at L-1 during RVS.

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Post Post #122  (isolation #7)  » Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:07 pm

Elements why are you sheeping me?

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Post Post #152  (isolation #8)  » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:29 pm

In post 134, Azuresky wrote:I like the use of the word "apathy" used in this. Its the same thing Aaron said earlier in regards to me. To me, it sounds like an excuse for elements to hop on. Anyone else, or am I reaching?

Nope I noticed it too. That's why I straight up asked him why he was sheeping me.
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In post 135, Azuresky wrote:I don't think Elements had a real reason of voting me (per 108 and 116) and just copied Aarons reasoning (Bolded in 110 and 121)

My reasoning is Aaron's reasoning. I agree with him. After I spelt his name wrong I wanted to change my vote and he gave a reasonable argument for voting you so I checked your ISO and agreed with him. I have effectively said I'm sheeping him on this so I don't see why it's such a big problem to you.

Did somebody clone me at some point in my life and I'm only just now being made aware of it? Because that's the only reason I can think of for this line.

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Post Post #170  (isolation #9)  » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:59 am

In post 168, Elements wrote:
In post 156, Azuresky wrote:What did you see in my ISO that screams scum? Or are you just blindly following aaron?

At no point have I said I think you are scum.

Then why are you voting for her?

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Post Post #205  (isolation #10)  » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:34 pm

In post 189, Elements wrote:
In post 187, Tchill13 wrote:Now did elements remove his vote because skitter started leaning scum on him? Or was it something else?

I unvoted to prevent roster from lolhammering

There was literally no danger of Azure being lolhammered though? It was pretty clear to me that Roster wasn't serious about hammering

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Post Post #206  (isolation #11)  » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:39 pm

In post 203, Tchill13 wrote:UNVOTE:

OK I've seen enough (but my goodness is it tempting to annoy azure even more lol)

I like azure for town. Shows frustration I can relate to when it comes to bad townies.

I think elements reasoning for unvoting is bogus. Doesn't make sense to remove your vote from a fear of hammer when ypi could have don't that when, azure was immediately put at L-1.

Could be town frustrated at bad townies, but could also be scum frustrated at being pressured and using "bad townies" as an excuse. Although I think I'm less weary of Azure at this point and more focused on whatever the fuck Elements is doing.

VOTE: Elements

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Post Post #218  (isolation #12)  » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:14 am

In post 213, Azuresky wrote:
In post 206, AaronFrost wrote:Could be town frustrated at bad townies, but could also be scum frustrated at being pressured and using "bad townies" as an excuse.


You voting Elements contradicts the statement above. You bussing?

How so?

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Post Post #219  (isolation #13)  » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:15 am

In post 216, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
In post 194, Hectic wrote:
In post 124, NotMySpamAccount wrote:k I love Hectic's posting style. In all seriousness though, Reaper is playing really scummy. I would posit exactly one scum between him and Hectic. My bet is on tchill for the other, but I'll go iso azuresky too.

Why exactly one in us? Is that because you scumread both of us, or because you scumread Reaper and town____ me?

Because I think it's likely that you two are TvS, I just haven't decided which is which yet.

Where are you drawing that conclusion from? Is there anything in Reaper/Hectic interactions that suggest this?

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Post Post #232  (isolation #14)  » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:39 pm

In post 225, Tchill13 wrote:im gonna reread the thread at some point.

I will probably do the same.

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Post Post #256  (isolation #15)  » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:03 pm

I don't see this flipping scum tbh. If it flips town, then at least one of the last three on the wagon {Spam, Elements, Azure} are probably scum.

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Post Post #262  (isolation #16)  » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:40 pm

In post 258, Azuresky wrote:
In post 256, AaronFrost wrote:I don't see this flipping scum tbh. If it flips town, then at least one of the last three on the wagon {Spam, Elements, Azure} are probably scum.


God I hope I get killed tonight.

Put me out of my misery

You have the worst attitude out of anyone I've ever met in my entire life.

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Post Post #264  (isolation #17)  » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:47 pm

I'm definitely not townreading you

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Post Post #270  (isolation #18)  » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:53 pm

So your solution is to quickhammer with 10+ days left on the deadline therefore giving us less time to generate helpful discussion?

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Post Post #288  (isolation #19)  » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:37 pm

No idea why Azure quickhammered. Also not sure why Azure was killed since she was an easy mislynch for today.

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Post Post #298  (isolation #20)  » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:47 am

In post 296, Tchill13 wrote:@elements why does an azure nk setup you or NotMySpamAccount specifically? I agree the nk was made to cause confusion. It pretty much has to be considering azure was probably gonna be lynched today.

He was referring to me saying that there were scum on the last three on the wagon {Azure, Spam, Elements} and since Azure died, that leaves Spam and Elements.

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Post Post #299  (isolation #21)  » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:04 pm

In post 290, Elements wrote:So this pinged me straight away:
In post 256, AaronFrost wrote:I don't see this flipping scum tbh. If it flips town, then at least one of the last three on the wagon {Spam, Elements, Azure} are probably scum.

In post 289, skitter30 wrote:There's almost for sure scum on (the back half of) that wagon
VOTE: elements

Especially Aaron's post. Is basically telling scum "we're most likely going to lynch inside these three tomorrow" then Azure dies. To me that looks like scum trying to cause confusion off the night kill and push a mislynch on NMSA or me. Most likely me given azurs's reads.

I have two current theories:

1 - Aaron/Skitter scum team. Aaron setting up the mislynch set at the end of the last day then they killed azure in the night for added confusion. Now they start pushing on one of the others in Aaron's set (me). The only problem I have is that skitter is an expereienced player and I can't imagine them being so brazen with their first post.

2 - We have absolutely no idea what's going on. Mafia are sitting back watching us tear ourselves apart. The night kill was purely to confuse us. This works due to the number of wagons that reached L-1 and the speed in which they did so. At most I think there would be 1 scum on any of those wagons. That said, I'm going to check back through the voting and have a look.

For now VOTE: Aaron
will change once I've looked at the voting

Couple problems with this theory of yours.

1) Why would I kill the easiest person to push for a mislynch? Almost everyone was set on scum!Azure by the end of the day (including you) and since I pushed her pretty early on in the day, it doesn't benefit me to kill her when it would've been almost too easy to convince everyone to lynch her today. Assuming scum!me and the three I mentioned at the end of the day are town, I'd probably kill either you or Spam to narrow that pool down even more allowing myself to push that mislynch further.

2) Where are you getting me/skitter from? Is it because both of us were against the Reaper lynch? Why would both scum partners be against a wagon on a townie?

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Post Post #300  (isolation #22)  » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:05 pm

I also don't like how you bring up this theory immediately only to completely disregard it in your very next post.

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Post Post #302  (isolation #23)  » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:49 pm

Fair enough. Still don't see how it connects me/skitter though.

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Post Post #335  (isolation #24)  » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:45 pm

In post 303, Elements wrote:
In post 302, AaronFrost wrote:Fair enough. Still don't see how it connects me/skitter though.

The you/skitter connection is because you both said scum probably in the last three on the wagon

That's it? That's all you got? Pretty weak reasoning there.

I don't care whether you've dismissed that theory or not, you still brought it up. Why would you bring it up only to dismiss it shortly after? It honestly feels like an attempt to look busy without actually doing anything.

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Post Post #336  (isolation #25)  » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:47 pm

Hectic pretty much said everything I've been thinking much better than I could ever say it.

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Post Post #337  (isolation #26)  » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:53 pm

I find the interactions between Elements/Tchill from to really odd. I don't really understand why, but it just feels forced to me.

We could be looking at a possible Elements/Tchill team here.

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Post Post #342  (isolation #27)  » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:02 pm

Just so no one accidentally hammers, Elements is at L-1.

Don't want a repeat of yesterday.

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Post Post #355  (isolation #28)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:18 pm

In post 351, Elements wrote:
In post 290, Elements wrote:Most likely me given azurs's reads.

In post 297, Elements wrote:Me being azure's strongest scum read

Twice I commented on me being Azure's strongest scum read thank you very much Hectic.

I'm not so sure about the everyone's thoughts that there was scum in the last three of the wagon. Hectic and roster had their votes parked on her for the majority of the - albeit short - day, and most of Hectic's posts are him saying roster is scummy and so pushing for her lynch.

3 posts in a row voting for Reaper, all within 20 minutes of each other, and you don't think there's scum in there? Or are you just saying that because you're scum?

I don't necessarily like the vote parking argument here because the day was so short. Hectic was scumreading Reaper throughout most of the day, but he was also scumreading Azure a fair amount as well. seems like the kind of post scum would make to set up a potential mislynch but in order to do that, you need to actually, you know, keep her alive. Is WIFOM really the best reason you can come up with for why Azure was killed?

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Post Post #356  (isolation #29)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:18 pm

And now you're trying to push an inactive player for a lynch.

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Post Post #359  (isolation #30)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:25 pm

In post 357, Elements wrote:Ooh someone has appeared! I can stop my boring Iso stuff.

In post 356, AaronFrost wrote:And now you're trying to push an inactive player for a lynch.

I think said inactive player is scum. If said inactive player isn't scum, they are playing very anti-town to the point where they'd be more useful to town dead as we can look at votes for them and who was/wasn't pushing.

I mean at this rate he's probably going to be replaced anyways. I don't think an inactive player flipping would tell us much since he didn't really push anyone besides Reaper yesterday.

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Post Post #362  (isolation #31)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:35 pm

In post 360, Elements wrote:
In post 359, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 357, Elements wrote:Ooh someone has appeared! I can stop my boring Iso stuff.

In post 356, AaronFrost wrote:And now you're trying to push an inactive player for a lynch.

I think said inactive player is scum. If said inactive player isn't scum, they are playing very anti-town to the point where they'd be more useful to town dead as we can look at votes for them and who was/wasn't pushing.

I mean at this rate he's probably going to be replaced anyways. I don't think an inactive player flipping would tell us much since he didn't really push anyone besides Reaper yesterday.

Who did and didn't want to lynch him would be good information when we see his flip

I'm pretty sure you're the only one who's mentioned anything about lynching Roster. Barely anyone else has mentioned him.

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Post Post #364  (isolation #32)  » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:36 pm

In post 361, Elements wrote:
In post 356, AaronFrost wrote:And now you're trying to push an inactive player for a lynch.

I'm currently voting Hectic

You started the day by voting for roster and he's one of your two scumreads currently

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Post Post #382  (isolation #33)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:32 am

In post 344, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
skitter30 wrote:
In post 279, Hectic wrote:If Reaper flips town here:
Scum!Azure is hammering him before his replacement can come in to townspew and save this miserable train wreck of a slot.
That or she's playing as REAL fucking bad town.
Like town that doesn't deserve to be called town, or even a village.
More like a slum.


@nmsa i don't get it, why does this post implicate hectic in the nk; this post to me looks to me more like he might be setting up an azure mislynch after a reaper townflip; seems kinda silly to nk her if that's the case

You and Hectic bot hmissed the point. Killing Azu was a stupid move, because Azu was an easy ml. And Yet It Happened. Scum!Hectic posts this to make it look like an Azu kill wouldn't come from him.

This implies that scum!Hectic already decided he was going to kill Azure before the day even ended, which doesn't seem likely to me given the way he reacted to the quickhammer.

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Post Post #383  (isolation #34)  » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:34 am

In post 381, Elements wrote:Skitter, you think I'm scum, in what world do I think Azure is the optimal night kill?

In what world is Azure the optimal night kill for anyone.

I'll use the same logic Tchill used against me earlier, anyone can easily say "I would never kill Azure, that would be a bad move for me."

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Post Post #403  (isolation #35)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:24 am

VOTE: Elements

Well this game died...

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Post Post #406  (isolation #36)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:33 am

I don't think there's as big of a risk for that. The only ones not voting for you are roster!replacement, Tchill who's been busy, and Spam who isn't going to quickhammer.

I'm just trying to make something happen in this game.

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Post Post #414  (isolation #37)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:18 am

In post 405, Elements wrote:Everyone who's voting me, when I flip town who are do you think is scum?

If you flip town, then Hectic is a likely candidate. Not sure who the partner would be.

If you flip scum though then I think Tchill or Spam is the partner. Spam's recent post could be an attempt to bus you if you flip scum so right now I think I'd lean towards Spam if that was the case.

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Post Post #431  (isolation #38)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:09 pm

Did... did you just self-hammer?

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Post Post #433  (isolation #39)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:13 pm

In post 427, Hectic wrote:
In post 425, Elements wrote:Whatever, this isn't changing ever. All that will happen is Hectic and Spam hypnotise you more into thinking I'm scum.
VOTE: Elements

Goddamn. RIP this game then.

This game was dead already.

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Post Post #436  (isolation #40)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:53 pm

If you say so Elements.

If you're town, then I'm sorry, but it's been very hard for me to townread you this game.

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Post Post #438  (isolation #41)  » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:54 pm

Selfhammering is anti-wincon no matter which alignment you are.

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Post Post #455  (isolation #42)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:32 pm

Fucking hell I was gonna start pushing Spam yesterday but never got the opportunity.

Pretty sure it's Spam/Hectic at this point. Spam's entire ISO looks really bad and Hectic has practically death-tunneled every lynch so far.

I'm Vanilla Townie.

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Post Post #457  (isolation #43)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:40 pm

In post 344, NotMySpamAccount wrote:You and Hectic bot hmissed the point. Killing Azu was a stupid move, because Azu was an easy ml. And Yet It Happened. Scum!Hectic posts this to make it look like an Azu kill wouldn't come from him.

In post 407, NotMySpamAccount wrote:k, I took a step back from the game and reread everything from a neutral pov. My reads have totally shifted, and I like Hectc for town now. I actually think Elements is scum. I don't want to hammer early, so I'll just UNVOTE: , but intent on Elements 24h or so after the replacement shows up

I don't buy anything about this. How he goes from being sold on scum!Hectic to townreading him in an instant feels unnatural and opportunistic.

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Post Post #458  (isolation #44)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:41 pm

In post 450, Hectic wrote:Good ole Aaron's my biggest scumread, but will reread the thread tomorrow before I start deathtunneling for a third fucking time.

Can't wait to hear this story.

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Post Post #459  (isolation #45)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:43 pm

In post 247, NotMySpamAccount wrote:@mod, error in the vc, I'm the only one voting Azu but it says 2 votes.

It doesn't look like I'll get Azu today, so let's try going back to VOTE: reaper('s replacement)

I think this might be a scum slip that everyone somehow missed.

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Post Post #471  (isolation #46)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:28 pm

In post 466, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
In post 457, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 344, NotMySpamAccount wrote:You and Hectic bot hmissed the point. Killing Azu was a stupid move, because Azu was an easy ml. And Yet It Happened. Scum!Hectic posts this to make it look like an Azu kill wouldn't come from him.

In post 407, NotMySpamAccount wrote:k, I took a step back from the game and reread everything from a neutral pov. My reads have totally shifted, and I like Hectc for town now. I actually think Elements is scum. I don't want to hammer early, so I'll just UNVOTE: , but intent on Elements 24h or so after the replacement shows up

I don't buy anything about this. How he goes from being sold on scum!Hectic to townreading him in an instant feels unnatural and opportunistic.

I wasn't lockscumming Hectic, just saying the kill made the most sense comign from him.

Okay, so what made you change your mind on that then? You don't seem to be too convinced of that anymore.

AaronFrost wrote:
In post 247, NotMySpamAccount wrote:@mod, error in the vc, I'm the only one voting Azu but it says 2 votes.

It doesn't look like I'll get Azu today, so let's try going back to VOTE: reaper('s replacement)

I think this might be a scum slip that everyone somehow missed.

Really? If you're town and actually think that, I'll eat my hat.

I said MIGHT be a scumslip. Even if it isn't it's still a scummy post. You never really tried that hard to push Azure and just let everyone else do it for you.

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Post Post #484  (isolation #47)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:50 pm

In post 476, Hectic wrote:
In post 448, Tchill13 wrote:OK mass claim time.

I'm vt. I think hectic is next then NotMySpamAccount.

Why the fuck did you claim VT here?

At least this confirms there's one scum between Tchill and Spam.
I agree that Aaron is likely the second.

I've been scumreading both of them most of the game so I'm curious what makes you think I could be Tchill or Spam's partner.?

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Post Post #490  (isolation #48)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:01 pm

Even if it isn't a scumslip, I still find the post scummy and have explained why I do.

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Post Post #494  (isolation #49)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:16 pm

In post 492, Hectic wrote:Hey, Aaron.
Being awfully fucking defensive here.
No interest in trying to sort Tchill/Spam?

Already sorted Spam. Gonna sort Tchill soon.

Do you expect me to not defend myself regardless of what alignment I am?

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Post Post #498  (isolation #50)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:25 pm

In post 496, Hectic wrote:
In post 494, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 492, Hectic wrote:Hey, Aaron.
Being awfully fucking defensive here.
No interest in trying to sort Tchill/Spam?

Already sorted Spam. Gonna sort Tchill soon.

Do you expect me to not defend myself regardless of what alignment I am?

How the fuck does this 1v1 not make you reconsider your sorting of Spam?
And if you've already sorted Spam as scum, Tchill should be automatically sorted as town. Why do you still need to sort him?

Because I was already scumreading Spam but there is still a possibility of it being Tchill, hence why I need to sort him.

Probably gonna do that tomorrow though.

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Post Post #502  (isolation #51)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:38 pm

What else is there to say?

One of them is scum, one of them is town. Simple as that. I've already said that I think the team is you and Spam, but that doesn't mean I've ruled out the possbility to Tchill being scum either, which is what 496 seems to imply.

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Post Post #510  (isolation #52)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:05 pm

In post 504, Hectic wrote:Let me word this differently:

Before Tchill and Spam claimed doc, you thought Spam was scum, Tchill was town.
Now that they've both claimed doc, has your read on them changed even a little?
Like is Spam even more scummy for you now? Or is he slightly less scummy?
If you look at the claims individually, which is more believable?
What do you think of Tchill claiming VT first, and then counterclaiming Spam once he'd claimed doc?

Your thoughts on any of these would be helpful. I'm trying to fucking work out if your reads have changed at all basically.

1) They haven't changed. I still think it's Spam over Tchill.
2) Him refusing to out who he's protected is odd. What are the 'obvious reasons' he's hiding that info? I don't think a town player has reason to hide that so slightly more scummy.
3) Tchill's. He crumbed, and Spam didn't. Scum players should be looking for crumbs so they know what to counter-claim during LyLo.
4) I think it makes sense to do that in order to see what your scumreads are gonna claim first. I think it's likely that this was a test to see if scum saw his crumb or not.

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Post Post #513  (isolation #53)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:19 pm

Yeah he should reveal his Night 1 target since I assume he can target him again tonight if he wanted.

Assuming town!Spam though, wouldn't it not matter since scum would just kill the doc anyways?

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Post Post #516  (isolation #54)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:35 pm

In post 514, Hectic wrote:
In post 510, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 504, Hectic wrote:Let me word this differently:

Before Tchill and Spam claimed doc, you thought Spam was scum, Tchill was town.
Now that they've both claimed doc, has your read on them changed even a little?
Like is Spam even more scummy for you now? Or is he slightly less scummy?
If you look at the claims individually, which is more believable?
What do you think of Tchill claiming VT first, and then counterclaiming Spam once he'd claimed doc?

Your thoughts on any of these would be helpful. I'm trying to fucking work out if your reads have changed at all basically.

1) They haven't changed. I still think it's Spam over Tchill.
2) Him refusing to out who he's protected is odd. What are the 'obvious reasons' he's hiding that info? I don't think a town player has reason to hide that so slightly more scummy.
3) Tchill's. He crumbed, and Spam didn't. Scum players should be looking for crumbs so they know what to counter-claim during LyLo.
4) I think it makes sense to do that in order to see what your scumreads are gonna claim first. I think it's likely that this was a test to see if scum saw his crumb or not.

Sending a fuckton of thanks your way. This helps.

Regarding 4, what exactly do you mean by he was testing to see if scum saw the crumb or not?
What do you think Tchill expected scum to do here in the scenarios where:
-They did spot his breadcrumb.
-They didn't.

Definitely expected them to spot it if this is the case. I think scum should be looking out for crumbs so they know what roles they can/can't claim.

Also I'm pretty sure doc can't self-target but if either of our docs could confirm this that'd be cool.

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Post Post #521  (isolation #55)  » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:46 pm

Yeah that's my theory, at least for now.

I would like Tchill to confirm whether or not I'm right about why he claimed VT first.

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Post Post #534  (isolation #56)  » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:39 am

Couple questions for Spam.

1) Did you notice Tchill's crumb D1? If so, what did you think about it initially?

2) What's been your general approach to this game? Looking through your ISO, I'm struggling to find much town motivation from your play so far.

3) This one's more of a question for everyone I guess but is it standard for doc role PMs to say that you can't target yourself? I know there are some variations where the doc can target himself, but isn't it assumed that you can't in most cases?

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Post Post #535  (isolation #57)  » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:40 am

In post 528, Tchill13 wrote:Oh my lord have you ever seen anyone crumb vt? I chuckled lol.

I saw someone crumb VT in a newbie game once. Good stuff.

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Post Post #538  (isolation #58)  » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:54 am

In post 523, Hectic wrote:
In post 521, AaronFrost wrote:Yeah that's my theory, at least for now.

I would like Tchill to confirm whether or not I'm right about why he claimed VT first.

Oh no, what the fuck have you done to your face, Aaron?
Gonna take a while to get used to that.

Why didn't scum!Spam kill Tchill in the night if he spotted his breadcrumb?
And why counterclaim doctor and force a 1v1 then? Wouldn't it be in his best interests to claim a PR role that doesn't force a 1v1?

That's the only thing I'm unsure about, but there's been so many confusing decisions made this game it's hard to say.

Just going off of experiences I've had in previous games, this is something I've seen scum do before where they keep the player who crumbed alive and forced a 1v1. Town ended up losing that game (Newbie 1949 for anyone curious) because even though we lynched the correct cop claim, their partner did such a good job bussing that they were able a townie down with them. Of course, this falls through if Spam didn't notice the claim.

PEDIT: Was typing this up right as you posted that lol

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Post Post #539  (isolation #59)  » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:55 am

Meant to say *crumb instead of *claim in that last sentence. Same difference though.

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Post Post #575  (isolation #60)  » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:30 pm

In post 555, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
In post 534, AaronFrost wrote:Couple questions for Spam.

1) Did you notice Tchill's crumb D1? If so, what did you think about it initially?

2) What's been your general approach to this game? Looking through your ISO, I'm struggling to find much town motivation from your play so far.

3) This one's more of a question for everyone I guess but is it standard for doc role PMs to say that you can't target yourself? I know there are some variations where the doc can target himself, but isn't it assumed that you can't in most cases?

1. No

2. I just haven't had much motivation at all. That's often true up to lylo for me.

I'm still failing to see how that comes from a townie perspective. Scum already know who's who and have less motivation because of that.

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Post Post #577  (isolation #61)  » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:33 pm

In post 572, Hectic wrote:@skitter:

Haven't actually bothered ISOing Aaron/rereading the game yet.

Also his lack of a stance on Tchill/Spam after their claims until I really had to fucking push him to give some opinions on it.
Though the opinions he finally did give were good.

Except they were opinions I had already stated or was in the process of forming so I don't understand why you needed to push me there.

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Post Post #578  (isolation #62)  » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:34 pm

In post 569, Hectic wrote:Why is Aaron fucking Frost obvtown?

After this game I'm gonna ask the mods if I can change my username to Aaron Fucking Frost.

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Post Post #579  (isolation #63)  » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:34 pm

If Skitter is somehow scum here I'm going to eat my shorts.

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Post Post #581  (isolation #64)  » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:19 pm

Between you/Hectic or between Tchill/Spam?

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Post Post #583  (isolation #65)  » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:25 pm

Thought I explained this already but yeah Spam is my stronger scumread.

Between you and Hectic, definitely Hectic. I don't like how he's trying to push me as aggressively as he is when our objective here is to decide between Spam and Tchill.

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Post Post #591  (isolation #66)  » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:09 am

I actually agree with Hectic on this one. That statement seems to imply that you're conf!town which is far from the case. Just because we're both townreading you doesn't make you conf!town.

This might just be paranoia speaking but now I'm feeling like it could be skitter. Hectic is still my stronger scumread, but I haven't ruled out scum!skitter either. It's not gonna matter if we mislynch today though.

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Post Post #594  (isolation #67)  » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:33 am

Spam where you at dude.

If you're town, then convince me that you are.

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Post Post #611  (isolation #68)  » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:20 am

Not sure how to feel about Spam's sudden change of opinion of me. Doesn't really change my read of him honestly.

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Post Post #612  (isolation #69)  » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:28 am

In post 595, NotMySpamAccount wrote:I mean it hasn't been obvious. I'd have to go back over his iso for specifics, which I'll do after this wallpost, but he's rubbed me the wrong way for most of the game.

If this is true, then why wait until Day 3 to bring it up? Why didn't you voice your concerns about me earlier?

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Post Post #613  (isolation #70)  » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:34 am

Spam have you even considered the possibility of Hectic being scum? From your point of view, Tchill is obviously scum, and you seemed set on me being the other one until recently and now you think it's skitter.

Can you show me which posts from skitter you dislike?

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Post Post #623  (isolation #71)  » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:04 am

Hey, Spam
In post 613, AaronFrost wrote:Can you show me which posts from skitter you dislike?

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Post Post #643  (isolation #72)  » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:07 am

In post 640, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
In post 225, Tchill13 wrote:UNVOTE:
im gonna reread the thread at some point.

Huh, so when tchill rereads the thread it's fine, but when I do it's scummy.

Because every time you've changed your read on someone your reason was "I reread the thread and this is how I feel now" and you've never expanded on it. You did it with Hectic and Elements on Day 2 and now your read on me has completely shifted Day 3 from scum!me to town!me and now you're on scum!skitter.
In post 407, NotMySpamAccount wrote:k, I took a step back from the game and reread everything from a neutral pov. My reads have totally shifted, and I like Hectc for town now. I actually think Elements is scum. I don't want to hammer early, so I'll just UNVOTE: , but intent on Elements 24h or so after the replacement shows up

Pedit: perfect timing lol

This post feels very opportunistic. Does exactly as I described above and posts this about 15 minutes after I put Elements at L-1.

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Post Post #644  (isolation #73)  » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:13 am

In post 639, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
In post 133, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 131, Elements wrote:
In post 130, Tchill13 wrote:So far 3 ppl have thrown shade at me without acting on it.

Which three?


Reaper, azure and NotMySpamAccount

Me: votes tchill
Tchill: NMSA threw shade without acting on it.

You were voting for Azure at the time. Your Tchill vote was when we were still in RVS and Tchill posted that after you had switched to voting Azure.
In post 166, Tchill13 wrote:2 wagons at L-1 before page 8. Doesn't surprise me that neither has went through, I highly doubt this one does. Other than frost azure can't pinpoint a reason for any vote. Can't really look too much into RVS votes imo, I mean I don't think either wagon has had good reason tbh because reapers and azures blew up for little to no reason.


Distancing from two easy future mls.

You could argue that both skitter and I were distancing from the Reaper mislynch on Day 1. Neither of us were fans of it. I think scum would be more interested in pushing both of them as a mislynch here.

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Post Post #645  (isolation #74)  » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:15 am

In post 640, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
In post 503, Tchill13 wrote:I just want to know who spam "targeted" he didn't even give us that info.

keeps trying to get this info to makes sure he knows who he can safely nk in case he loses the 1v1, despite knowing that outing that info is anti-town.

We all wanted that info from you though. You should've at least given your night 1 target since you could target them again presumably Night 3.

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Post Post #646  (isolation #75)  » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:19 am

In post 638, NotMySpamAccount wrote:Wait what the heck am I doing. I'm casing skitter, when I know tchill is scum. I should be casing him instead to make people vote conf!scum.

Nah you're not getting off that easily. You brought up the idea of scum!skitter and now you're trying to backtrack from that.

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Post Post #647  (isolation #76)  » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:24 am

Honestly, your case against Tchill isn't really that convincing. I think I've made up my mind here.

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

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Post Post #648  (isolation #77)  » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:24 am

Actually... no

UNVOTE:

I'll hold off until Hectic gets back.

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Post Post #651  (isolation #78)  » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:15 pm

He doesn't really seem too interested in pushing skitter anymore as of

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Post Post #652  (isolation #79)  » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:17 pm

In post 649, Tchill13 wrote:I'm spam is scum. Idk with who. I thought it might be Aaron but this is interesting.

Is this a typo?

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Post Post #657  (isolation #80)  » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:41 pm

That's my point. He was putting so much effort into pushing scum!skitter and now he's all of a sudden dropping it.

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Post Post #660  (isolation #81)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:00 am

In post 658, Tchill13 wrote:So you think it's skitter/spam? I can see that.

Could be.

Alternate theory is that Spam's trying to push a mislynch to skitter for if/when we enter D4 LyLo. I will say I'm feeling slightly less confident that skitter is town but I need to ISO her.

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Post Post #665  (isolation #82)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:08 am

In post 661, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
In post 660, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 658, Tchill13 wrote:So you think it's skitter/spam? I can see that.

Could be.

Alternate theory is that Spam's trying to push a mislynch to skitter for if/when we enter D4 LyLo. I will say I'm feeling slightly less confident that skitter is town but I need to ISO her.

The only way for me to push a ml is if I'm scum, but if I'm scum the nthe only way you reach d4lylo is if I get lynched. I can't push a ml if I'm dead. Therefore, the bolded is impossible regardless of my alignment.

You can push it today so that if you flip scum, we mislynch skitter tomorrow.

Alternatively you could be bussing her. Haven't decided which one it is yet.

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Post Post #678  (isolation #83)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:28 pm

I've been scumreading Spam for a while honestly. I think I mentioned this in Day 2? Maybe I didn't. Not sure.

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Post Post #683  (isolation #84)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:32 pm

In post 589, skitter30 wrote:hectic i know this is going to be a while since you've gone vla but when you get back, i need you to show me why you're town

if we get it right today given the current gamestate i'm probably going to be holding hammer tomorrow so if you're town you need to explain to me why i should be voting aaron over you

skitter I'd like to know what prompted this post. Out of all the posts you made so far, this is the one I dislike the most.

I'd say I'm about 50/50 between Hectic and skitter right now.

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Post Post #684  (isolation #85)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:32 pm

In post 682, skitter30 wrote:
In post 676, Hectic wrote:I see that Hollow Knight claim btw, Aaron.
Fucking fantastic choice.


?
Idk what this means

My avatar is from a game called Hollow Knight.

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Post Post #685  (isolation #86)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:33 pm

In post 681, skitter30 wrote:
In post 675, Hectic wrote:Like it really took you that long to realise you should be trying to lynch the confirmed scum from your point of view?


Seriously

What does this mean? I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with this statement.

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Post Post #686  (isolation #87)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:40 pm

In post 623, AaronFrost wrote:Hey, Spam
In post 613, AaronFrost wrote:Can you show me which posts from skitter you dislike?

Spam has yet to do this.

I think the way Spam has acted in regards to skitter today has been strange. I don't like how he was scumreading me early in the day, then out of nowhere comes around to townreading me and scumreading skitter.

There's a part of me that feels like skitter may have been appealing to me this entire game. We've had similar stances on a lot of things (disliking the Reaper wagon for instance) and she's been saying how 'obvtown' I am the entire game.

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Post Post #690  (isolation #88)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:47 pm

In post 595, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
In post 565, skitter30 wrote:
In post 559, Hectic wrote:@skitter: Why am I scum over Aaron? Like give specifics.

You pushed both the mislynches + aaron is just obvtown

Uhh no????
skitter30 wrote:
In post 569, Hectic wrote:
In post 565, skitter30 wrote:
In post 559, Hectic wrote:@skitter: Why am I scum over Aaron? Like give specifics.

You pushed both the mislynches + aaron is just obvtown

Why is Aaron fucking Frost obvtown?


It's just been, well, obvious for most of the game

He's arguing in good faith, he's reconsidering things when he ought to, his thoughts are internally consistent, he's been making astute observations

What do u think is scummy exactly ?


I mean it hasn't been obvious. I'd have to go back over his iso for specifics, which I'll do after this wallpost, but he's rubbed me the wrong way for most of the game.

In post 596, NotMySpamAccount wrote:I'm about 10 posts into Aaron's iso rn, and honestly, it's sounding more like newish town than scum. I'm not sure what prompted my original sr there, but I'm starting to lean a bit more town. Also, with skitter claiming vt, that puts her solidly back in the scumpool.

He hasn't given specifics either as to why he's suddenly townreading me. Like you couldn't even point to examples of posts of mine that you liked/disliked?

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Post Post #691  (isolation #89)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:48 pm

In post 687, skitter30 wrote:
In post 683, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 589, skitter30 wrote:hectic i know this is going to be a while since you've gone vla but when you get back, i need you to show me why you're town

if we get it right today given the current gamestate i'm probably going to be holding hammer tomorrow so if you're town you need to explain to me why i should be voting aaron over you

skitter I'd like to know what prompted this post. Out of all the posts you made so far, this is the one I dislike the most.

I'd say I'm about 50/50 between Hectic and skitter right now.


because i feel like you're significantly more townier than him and if you're pulling the wool over me/hectic i wanted to get that sorted out

The part about you saying you're gonna be the one to hammer tomorrow is the part that concerns me. I understand that from your point of view it's either me or Hectic.

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Post Post #707  (isolation #90)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:08 pm

In post 693, skitter30 wrote:at that point both of you were townreading and i've been in enough p similar endagames to know how they usually play out - if we lynch right today the town in {spam/tchill} dies, and tomorrow it'll be you/me/hecitic

and usually the most townread person there holds hammer, and in my experience, that often tends to me (it wasn't me like .... twice i want to say? ever?) esp because i take forever to vote in lylo and usually other people vote before me and so i get conftowned by default

and so if we get it right today i wanted to be proactive about starting on trying to figure out tomorrow

Wouldn't this be objectively not true though? You've been hard townreading me since early in Day 1, so from your point of view, 9/10 times you're gonna vote for Hectic here.

This also implies that the exact scenario you mentioned is going to play out the same way here (me and Hectic voting each other with you being the deciding vote).

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Post Post #715  (isolation #91)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:15 pm

Most people were on board with lynching Elements honestly.

I need to read through that game I played with Hectic in the Newbie queue. His tone feels different here than in that game I played with him where he was town.

skitter's meta seems consistent with her town play but a couple of the things she's said today have rubbed me the wrong way.

I'm still 50/50.

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Post Post #721  (isolation #92)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:22 pm

You strike me as the kind of person who changes their playstyle from game to game on purpose to make yourself harder to read.

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Post Post #724  (isolation #93)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:25 pm

I've only been in one LyLo prior to this and I completely fucked it up and got myself mislynched on Day 4. So that was cool.

PEDIT: That was directed towards Hectic.

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Post Post #731  (isolation #94)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:17 pm

In regards to today's lynch, it seems like everyone is leaning towards Spam at this point.

We have about 5 days left until the deadline so I'm not in a hurry to rush this lynch, but I think that is who we should lynch today.

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Post Post #737  (isolation #95)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:47 pm

Pretty sure she has actually.

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Post Post #740  (isolation #96)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:58 pm

In post 728, Hectic wrote:Skitter's really fucking good at this if she's scum.
I'll elevate her to the gourmet sewage if she is scum.

I'm at like 50/50 now after the last couple of pages.

You're sitting on that fence right next to me buddy.

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Post Post #742  (isolation #97)  » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:05 pm

Also how am I fence sitting when I'm literally saying we should lynch Spam over Tchill? That's our primary objective today, so why does it matter if I'm undecided between you/skitter at this point.

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Post Post #753  (isolation #98)  » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:32 pm

Still not convinced by Spam's arguments against Tchill. I find it hypocritical that he talks about Tchill's lack of contribution while he himself contributed nothing for the first two days.
In post 752, NotMySpamAccount wrote:Tchill, I challenge you do do an isodive on me like I've done twice now to you. See if you can come up with anything I've done that's scummier than you.

I would like Tchill to do this however.

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Post Post #758  (isolation #99)  » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:44 pm

How have I been acting cautious/tentative?

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Post Post #783  (isolation #100)  » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:41 pm

skitter did give some reasons for TRing me, but only after I prompted her too and it felt very half-assed. This is when I started to think that skitter might be pandering to me this entire game.

Not gonna lie, I'm liking a lot of what Tchill is selling here.

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Post Post #786  (isolation #101)  » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:56 pm

skitter modded a game I was in (Newbie 1949 for the curious) where scum was able to successfully get me on their side during D3 LyLo and even though one scum was lynched, I ended up being the mislynch the next day. Even though she wasn't a player in the game, she knows that I'm a new-ish player and could probably pander to me pretty easily. I don't think she could get away with doing it to someone more experienced.

She's also been sheeping a lot of my thoughts this game which I'm not a big fan of and her overall D3 play has felt weird to me.

Anyways, I'm ready to end this day.

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

PEDIT: I won't vote anyone tomorrow unless I'm absolutely sure. Your arguments make a lot of sense but I need to look it over for myself as well.

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Post Post #794  (isolation #102)  » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:13 am

Damn. GG.

Town had very little chance going into LyLo honestly given how the first two days went. The fact that I couldn't TR Spam also killed me

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Post Post #799  (isolation #103)  » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:31 am

Makes me feel a little better knowing that I was coming around to scum!skitter. That's about the only solace I have in this game lmao.

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Post Post #804  (isolation #104)  » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:57 am

Thanks Salad for modding.

Sorry for mislynching you Spam :(

Fun group of players for the most part.

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Post Post #807  (isolation #105)  » Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:00 am

In post 569, Hectic wrote:Why is Aaron fucking Frost obvtown?

Also I'm changing my username to Aaron Fucking Frost even though I don't think username changes are allowed on here.

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Post Post #811  (isolation #106)  » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:51 am

I just wish Elements hadn't self-hammered because I probably would've come around to seeing him as town. I was gonna start pushing Spam on D2 but I didn't get the chance.

I was scumreading both Spam and Tchill on D2 which made things awkward for D3 LyLo but Spam was my stronger scumread by a long shot.

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Post Post #816  (isolation #107)  » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:48 pm

I at least sig'd the nickname so that'll probably have to do :lol:

Honestly I loved the angry persona mostly because I knew it was a persona. It was pretty entertaining even if it was hard to read you because of it.

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Post Post #819  (isolation #108)  » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:02 pm

Yeah honestly the Reaper lynch felt very scum motivated to me so I was surprised to learn that neither of the scum were on it.

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Post Post #825  (isolation #109)  » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:55 pm

LyLo is fun but I also have a really bad track record with it so far.


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