Legends of the Hidden Speakeasy II [GAME OVER. CHIVES WIN]

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UT and Chkflip are probably not scum/scum ?
Ali's a good scum player, and her buddying tactic was insane, im not leaving any stones unturned, i need more opinions.

Is Chk/Reck better then? Cuz it doesn't seem much better.

Ugh no, i dont believe Reck is scum. He's like the only person here i trust more than anything.

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Ok so here's the thing, chkflip's been saying that UT/Reck should make the next challenge.

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from a general perspective if there's at least 1 scum there, then any challenge they make wont end the game, if there's no scum there, then they have 2/3 chances of hitting scum.
For any of us solos challenging anyone but chives is 50% considering chives COULD be S-S, i dont think it is, im just mentioning it from a numbers perspective.
If it's S-S challenging is 1/3 if it is T-S challenging is 2/3 it it's T-T challenging is 2/3.

Ok i had different idea on my head that it was a bad idea to do it, but now i've convinced myself it isnt, regardless i dont think why it needs to happen. if chkflip is scum with UT and is convinced that they wont challenge him, we'd still figure out there's scum in the trio in the challenge.

@Reck: How much do you trust im town.

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if it DID happen to be jay/chk then getting me/ut to challenge someone is the only hope theyd really have?

Oh yeah i forgot about that possibility.

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if you trust me im town, and you excluse me from the equation then Chives vs Rabbits or Chives vs Mustard should have at least 1 scum.

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Legit if chives isn't in the challenge something is horrible wrong and we're betting the entire farm on 2 people instead of having a 3 person safety net.

The mental gymnastics that'd need to happen for both reck and UT to be scum together are insane.
On top of me already thinking Reck is town.
So if you believe one or none of chives is scum, the chances for any of us are the same... 2/3

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If reck bets the game on me being town, him challenging anyone wont end the game.
Literally 100% success rate.
While i can bet the game on reck being town i cant do the same for anyone else.

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Well he did skim MY post where i explained my PoE. Not that it's any good now as it was wrong.

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my gut is telling me that chkflip is scum.
But im scared coz im bad at win/lose decissions.

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@sakura if i challenge do i challenge chk or jay

Either will result in there being scum somewhere, but i prefer chk.

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chkflip keeps saying that it's not me/bambi, so from his PoV if he's town there has to be at least 1 scum on your pair, but keeps avoiding the challenge.

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chkflip keeps saying that it's not me/bambi, so from his PoV if he's town there has to be at least 1 scum on your pair, but keeps avoiding the challenge.

Translation for UT:
chkflip keeps saying that me and bambi are not scum together, so from his PoV if he's town there has to be at least 1 scum in your pair, but he keeps avoiding the challenge.

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For me its chkflip/(UT/Bambi)

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I just came back from about 14 hour power outage X_X

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Funny, I was deciding on whether to challenge either of you myself, but was too scared to do either.
So as long as Reck is town this should go through.

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Oh wait, i thought you challenged Bambi not Chives.

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Sorry, coming back from trying to nap with a heat wave and no fan due to power outage has made me sluggish.

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Also, previously you were 100% behind me beinng scum. So ANY challenge I make goes through because I, as scum, made it.

God damn it. I was right about you, wasn't I?

While i was trying to sleep, I was thinking that maybe I should follow Gamma's opinion on Creature.
I'm still unsure on who is what.
This game's a friggin mess and i wish i was dead.

Speaking of, not sure why Bambi's opinion on me changed.

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I feel like scum's doing everything in their power to obliterate townreads on me, and i can figure out who's the town of the people doing that. The only one that hasnt is Reck, hence why i trust him.

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i just realized that i missed the t in "cant" in post 3367

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So the game didn't end.

????

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You werent challenged, if you're town you should've known that was 100% going to be the case.

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I mean it's a pretty easy vote from UT's PoV.

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Even if the challenge went through this IS still LyLo, i need to vote correctly here.

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Actually hmm looking at timestamps UT vs Chk it's either TvS or SvS but certainly not TvT, otherwise Reck and Bambi would've QH'd.

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It goes without saying that Bambi and Sakura are now obviously not scum together.

That should've already flown out of the window when the game didnt end with the challenge.

i stg...

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So the game didn't end. That's... Something.

I'd prefer if Reck and UT post anything useful from their PT to help is out here.

It goes without saying that Bambi and Sakura are now obviously not scum together.

That should've already flown out of the window when the game didnt end with the challenge.

i stg...

Idk if both of you did literally the same scumslip implying each other or im hallucinating coz it's past midnight and im tired af, so im not gonna vote yet but i want reck's opinion on this.

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dont worry im not cloudkicker i dont get hung over a potential PoV slip and accidentally townread scum and sucmread town like in Project Arch.

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Just that... if chkflip's scumslip is real, it implies the entirety of chives is town, which would mean a chkflip/bambi team, and then there's bambi's 3371 and subsequent explanation that sounded fake.

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Now the thing is, is it a real scumslip, or just town derping.
If this wasn't LyLo i'd have voted you for that.

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Harsh. But I'm still under the train of thought it's chk and UT if it's not you, so...

So?

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Your train of thought = UT and chkflip are cross bussing in LyLo and so you decide to sit around and not vote?

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I really wish you guys would start asking questions instead of just sitting back waiting for shit to happen. It's kind of incredibly fucking frustrating.

I'd ask questions if i had the right questions to ask that would help me sort this.
Hence why im usually bad at LyLo im an "in the moment" type of player, if you havent noticed most of the things i've pointed out in this entire challenge are related to things that happened after the challenge was enacted.

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Kinda almost seems like he lurked out of them for the same purpose he insisted to challenge and "lead" the Alisae wagon, hm?

?
It's hard to prove that he was lurking intentionally or simply not around when this wagon happened, imma have a look at timestamps.

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seems like DGB got lynched in the span of about an hour and a half.

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Tripod wanted Bambi instead of DGB, i remember that much.

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Thinking back on it, i should've re-read 1974 after Ali flipped scum as that seemed like an information slip on DGB.
I derped there, and was too spearheaded in the "auto-win" path, which ended up leading us here.

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Tripod wanted Bambi instead of DGB, i remember that much.

That's a fair point I forgot, but that means he was definitely around and (IMO) purposefully avoided the DGB wagon. This correlates with his QT discussion with Reck, yes, which only means that if Tripod HAD voted DGB then Reck would've been able to call him out on his bullshit.

He was around yes, and bambi's overreaction that was called out by Reck made him want to switch vote but reck hammered too fast.
That's no fault of UT.

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Thinking back on it, i should've re-read 1974 after Ali flipped scum as that seemed like an information slip on DGB.
I derped there, and was too spearheaded in the "auto-win" path, which ended up leading us here.

Information slip? I'm not tracking.

Ali gave DGB as an specific example of "any townie", while your point is that DGB wasnt townread by Ali (or did i misread?)
Should've implied DGB town on Ali scumflip.

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Thanks for mentioning what i already mentioned Bambi.

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And where did your "UT vs chk is SvS" go Bambi?

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All neither of us being hammered implies is that the three of you aren't scum together or that we're double bussing. So there's at least one scum in this.

I think cross bussing is out of the question, dont think there was any pressing need for that since it guarantees a scum will die, giving us an extra lynch.

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If anything i think Bambi's the outside scum.
I still cant figure out where i want to go between UT and chk, but im leaning chk as of right now.

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And while Reck is busy I was thinking of voting you and seeing if Sakura quickhammered you or something. I'm against it now tho.

Well aint that convenient.

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Im pretty sure Bambi's just prowling at this point waiting for me or reck to vote the wrong person.

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Not hammering

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So I take it that means you'd rather vote UT over chk?

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You're confirmed town.

Why?

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If UT is conf scum from your PoV why me not hammering UT makes me conf town.

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They'd have to coordinate one another being on to quickhammer, but that is a fair point. It does seem that this at least sidelines Reck being scum with pretty much anybody but me.

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

He did

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I'm not sure what to think of this sudden development.

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Wait fuck he legit was voting him?

It seems you're the only one that didnt notice.

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Why do u think i think you're just prowling to hammer if me or reck vote incorrectly they both L-2

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So let's recap.
You thought chk vs UT was SvS.
Yet you didnt think of voting UT who you thought didnt have any votes until I pressured you to do something.

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And if I was just "prowling" I don't think I just vote there randomly to give you the chance to hammer.

Presumably, coz you thought UT didnt have any votes on him.
Which actually is a point in your favor actually, and that's why im not sure what to make of this.

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I dont make that kind of mistake as scum.
Although if i was scum i'd have been long gone already.

Soooo now that reminds me.
Chkflip how about you talk to me about how my AtE was "fake".

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Oh yeah, and chk wants me to answer that question hmm imma go find it, just posting this to mention im not ignoring it, just temporarily forgot.

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9:30:27 pm

sure would be nice if we hadn't rushed literally every lynch so we have nothing to go on except Alisae openly trolling and throwing around what are likely false associatives for like a thousand pages

oh well!

9:30:47 pm

Me, Flip, and Sakura are on DGB and it takes 4 to lynch.

9:30:57 pm*

why are you even being like this? it's so overdefensive. i'm fairly certain dgb has all the votes, not you.

this is overreactionary

9:31:09 pm

Fine.

VOTE: DGB

9:31:54 pm*

It's me telling you my honest opinion of someone I know who has a scum in their town block, but okay.

9:31:56 pm*

vote Bambi

I want this now actually

pedit god DAMMIT reck

Looking at these timestamps 47 seconds passed between Reck's vote and UT's post, which means he was reacting to something earlier. Presumably Post 3237, which means assuming Tripod saw it as it was written he only had 12 seconds to post what he was typing and assuming he wouldnt miss the vote and hammer.
Sorry i dont think what you mentioned works.

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The posts happened in too quick succession, There's no way tripod would've wrote that after the fact and lie about a pedit.

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Well, I guess I'm the odd man out here then.

Since the game didn't end, literally impossible for me and Sakura to be partners.

Chk was a guy I challenged randomly because I saw Alisae was gonna challenge them, which ended up killing Shiro.

Reck just said UT was insulting me in his PT. Even in terms of bussing, insulting me in a PT? No sense.

Reck is... Not likely scum in the first place.

Soooo
then?

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So this is me going in a roundabout way still trying to prove myself town despite my fuckups by proving none of you can be my partner.

So, who's scum to you then.

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I thought you thought both were scum?

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Tripod wanted Bambi instead of DGB, i remember that much.

That's a fair point I forgot, but that means he was definitely around and (IMO) purposefully avoided the DGB wagon. This correlates with his QT discussion with Reck, yes, which only means that if Tripod HAD voted DGB then Reck would've been able to call him out on his bullshit.

i mean it also means he's being internally consistent

i get that your whole thing here is to paint him as badly as possible but like don't present things as false ultimatums

That's fair, I'm horse blinders again.

I just know in my gut that it isn't you, Reck.
I know now by Bambi's play that it isn't Sakura.

That's fair, the problem with LyLo is that the people are conf scum to each other (or pretending to) and so everything sounds confbias and I have a hard time figuring out who's the scum out of the two, hence why i hate LyLo. Otoh you ignored my question.
Why did you say my AtE was "fake"

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i have a wrapped up direction i'm leaning but i am very fucking interested in both sakura & jay reading this and giving thoughts before i say anything.

I have a very hard time figuring out if ali's talking to a partner or not.
Seems more like not, but why would ali try to go all out against UT if UT's the partner.
If anything that made me more confused than i already was.

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This is town me, Sakura. Youve seen it before. Trust me now, if you don't mind.

Then why do u think it could be Reck, coz i literally have Reck as less than 0 chance to be scum.
And you seem like you're preparing to help us hammer town.

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Also are you suggesting that Reck and UT teamed up with each other in an S/S Team?
I can buy you and Shiro beign S/S Team coz you were forced to team together literally by virtue of everyone else teaming up.

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I can buy you thinking that chk and UT are S/S, but trying to bring Reck as scum is something im not buying.

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And if you're referring to project arch:

VOTE: Panda

Fuck it the game is stalling, so let's get this bread.

You only voted last scum because "the game is stalling".

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It was stalling and I was the one who VOTED PANDA THAT DAY FIRST TO BEGIN WITH. Why must you be like this.

Probably because all i remember from that day is CK defending scum and attacking every town except the last scum.

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Your play that game was very towny.
I cant exactly see that here.
Hence why im having trouble trusting you.

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Your right, Sakura, Reck is probably the townie here. So... It has to be you.

I mean it's literally the only option you have left for yourself.

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@Sakura: I want to vote chk, I think. I'm almost willing to bet money on it being chk/Jay at this point.

If you want i can vote there first.

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Then if that loses us the game you can blame me all you want.

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I'm having a hard time figuring out here what scum bambi wants us to do -_-

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Ok Reck i trust your read here.
VOTE: chkflip

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Well there was no QH there... that's interesting.

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Did.... i just

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Your hammer kinda scared me a bit.

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Did.... i just

Win for scum? Yes you did.

Im scared.

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So it was Reck and Bambi?

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I feel like im the only person lost here with what just happened.

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... Man. Sakura, you really did it. I salute you and Tripod for pocketing Reck so hard.

No i wasnt scum.
Well if chk is really town, then that wont take long to prove will it.

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Reck pls if you know if the game is over can you tell me.

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Otherwise im just going to tell chkflip posts as scum trying to appear towny to confuse us before they die.

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God fucking dammit reck.

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...

Just... God Damnit. This is why Alisae didn't challenge both of them.

She didn't want to literally put all 3 scum in the lynchpool so she took her chances against the Rabbits.

Thx for pointing this out AFTER the fact.
And also by scumreading the hell out of me too which made me distrust you even harder.

Not that im not of no fault here.
Oh well ill take respite in at least catching ali at least once.
(How the hell does she manage to roll scum against me almost every game).

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Well guess it could've been worse i almost challenged chkflip or bambi before chkflip did.

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I wonder Reck, did Ali told you my weak point.

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I'm usually at my weakest when i get scumread by people and someone defends me i tend to get pocketed very easily.

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Huh, I guess that was just coincidential then.
But Ali knows me and should've known i'd never lynch you after what happened in Phase 2.

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Guess Ali wins this one.

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No way in hell im able to catch Ali without help from her own scumteam.

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I was indecisive until the end. That was my worst trait this game tbh.

9 times out of 10 i make the wrong choice in LyLo.
Dont blame yourself and more the fact that i was alive in LyLo.

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Im not sure about Gamma being alive being any better, I was already distrustful of him for going like "THIS ISN'T CREATURE'S TOWN META" and the scumread he had on me in Phase 2.

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Like I feel im pretty easy to read and when i get scumread as town I tend to feel it's scum aiming for a mislynch taking advantage of my weird playstyle.

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Literally any scum team worth their salt will pocket the fuck out of you until lylo forever.

It doesnt work as strongly if im not scumread.

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Literally any scum team worth their salt will pocket the fuck out of you until lylo forever.

I mean most of the times the game reaches LyLo im dead, or the game doesnt reach LyLo.

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Well also i figured i'd mention.
I thought the fact that i got scared i could be banned for a trust tell was kinda a townslip on my part, only noticed this later on, but i didnt bring it up because i didnt want to make it unfair for scum.
Then i realized that the trust tell ali brought up is incorrect coz i AtE as scum too, the only trust tell i've ever had is the replace out one, and i kinda killed that one after i got banned for it once.
So it was silly of me for even being scared of it, but that's a touchy subject for me.

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I'm just gonna pretend i did something useful.

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Maybe i should just stick to leading a guild in SINoALICE

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And i still find dance game more fun

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YOU BUSSED AGAIN AND IT CONFUSED ME AGAIN.

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I still dont know how you see me as a good player.

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Also i still dont know how literally every game we're both in you're scum and i'm town.
Except that one game i replaced out of.
Except that one game you replaced into.
It feels like that happens every game we both play until the end.
(Or until you NK me)

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It doesnt matter if i lead people the wrong path.
And im not as obvtown if townies scumread me.

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When can i read dead pt?

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I remember being worried that me and bitmap were going to be eliminated on phase 2.
Mostly coz i was like "I FINALLY GET TO PLAY WITH ALI AGAIN AND IM GOING TO DIE N1 AGAIN"

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I remember being worried that me and bitmap were going to be eliminated on phase 2.
Mostly coz i was like "I FINALLY GET TO PLAY WITH ALI AGAIN AND IM GOING TO DIE N1 AGAIN"

how were you gonna die n1 again?

i died N1 on DRV3.
Phase 2 would've been the same thing.

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also team otters thread will not be released, I discussed this with both members already.
every other team has 48 hours to let me know if they want theirs public.

Declined release for Milk.

i concur.

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But Ali, you didnt win, the game title says only chives won, not scum.

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BUT THE GAME TITLE SAYS

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I believe the game title over a single post in the thread that's hard to find! IF I FIND THIS THREAD IM GOING TO BELIEVE THE THREAD TITLE!

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Ali can we please both be town next time we play together.

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We were both town in zaph’s team

that doesnt count, you replaced into a town slot.

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I think the only game we've started as town you, bee and LLD bullied me out of the game.