Micro 890: CultD3 [Game Over; Korina Rules The World]
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This is my very helpful friend offering me some very helpful in-game advice on Page 3.
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wowIn post 81, chennisden wrote:i think independently, chemist's posts are pretty scummy
but this is ignoring the fact that people've went out of their way to be like "sup im going to POLICY VOTE you" which probably wouldn't make anyone happy?
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In post 24, EspressoPatronum wrote:Because you lurked really hard the last time I played with you. I found it rather frustrating + would like to either:
1. Force you to be more active to stop the lynch on you, or
2. Lynch you if you lurk again.In post 26, Chemist1422 wrote:
And an early wagon on me for no reason other than policy is supposed to help my motivation how?In post 24, EspressoPatronum wrote:Because you lurked really hard the last time I played with you. I found it rather frustrating + would like to either:
1. Force you to be more active to stop the lynch on you, or
2. Lynch you if you lurk again.
these posts were really goady.In post 27, Elsa Jay wrote:Well you DID also try and replace out of Fire's game earlier? Was it cuz they were rude or something?
by "i don't like," i'm not talking about the usual way people use "i don't like" - as in "your viewpoint sucks" or "you're scum." i mean "if you treated my slot this way i would flip out."- Light and L
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this in a vacuum is scummy, gameplay
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sorry korinaIn post 187, chennisden wrote:people are already bad enough at distinguishing "im meh on this" and "these are my few, confident, CORRECT" reads. they can't distinguish it for themselves or from other people.
forcing people to get reads out gives them shitty reads and makes the whole situation worse.- Light and L
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sigh.In post 193, chennisden wrote:youposted "i'll let you lead town because you have a lot of posts,"NOTme.- Light and L
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i'm not saying "what does your list mean" - i know how a list works.In post 232, EspressoPatronum wrote:@Chenn
EP
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Ceejay
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Drew
Put simply, the list means this: I will lynch anyone at the bottom and nobody at the top.
I'm not pretending my reads are perfect. This is my perspective on the gamestate as it is rn + am happy to work with people to lynch my scum pool and solidify my town pool. If you're town, you should be willing to do the same.
i'm saying that a list obfuscates theaccuracy of your reads to everyone,including yourself if you're town.- Light and L
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your lynchpool consists of people who're telling you you're playing anti-town and your townreads on people are because they're entertaining your bullshit, espresso.
i dunno if it's because of the bastard element of this game or the fact that this setup is just for the lulz. but you're really fucking adamant about YOUR way of doing things and the type of content YOU want to see from people and you have a disgusting lynchpool that looks lazy, half-hearted, and scum motivated.
if you're town please take a step back, realize that though you may have good intentions you're leading town down a really bad path, and start playing with the nuance and good-will that i've seen in your other games.- Light and L
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mafia is a game of dominoes. solve a few crucial slots, look at how they've approached other slots (and how other slots have approached them) and you've got a good portion of a gamesolve.
stressing on cult leader, shallow reads, forcing interactions, etc etc is distracting. we have one day to play this game of dominoes before the inherent mechanics of cults makes all our progress worthless. wasting your time on a lynchpool,or even finding someone to vote,does not help.
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i would say elsa and EP, and maybe chemist, are the dominoes. if you're a domino your job is to be cooperative and make it easy for you to be townbinned, and play with the goal of figuring out how scum is trying to manipulate the topping of the dominoes (aka - how they're trying to manipulate your interactions.)- Light and L
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take viewtopic.php?f=51&t=80198 (grey flag nightless) into comparison.
the dominoes were NerfedBuJ and geometry (a chennisden alt). i obvtowned (so i knocked down that domino), and RC pointed out buj was obviously defending partner before he died. looking at bitmap was all you needed to ez mode the game.
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it's also aboutreliablysolving the dominoes.
giving a read on every player without differentiating between your reliable and unreliable ones is worthless. and strong is not a substitute for reliable.
even a really good player will have worthless reads on around 30-40% of the playerlist, if they even bother focusing on those slots. they can determine which slots they can sort reliably and which ones will ez mode the game for them.- Light and L
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it's true lynchpools can be helpful later in the day - but making lynchpools/townblocks and calling it a day is really not going to help because scum know how to get in a townblock. it's not that hard - you just post and be a little funny.
on the other hand, planning around dominoes is NOT something scum usually does.- Light and L
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I read that myself and your synopsis is rather simplistic, but honestly I get the sense this is a shitpush already which has me really up in arms rn.In post 279, chkflip wrote:161 - Pushing discussion to go the way of "find scum" over "find the cult leader" (which I've already outlined is bad)- Light and L
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you had me as a scumread in your list, so no, you didn't actually fucking read the case.
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also, you really think the best way for me to take control of town is to give you the domino theory? instead of also faking reads on the dominoes? here's a hint: they're dominoes because they've got so much information as slots. it'd literally be so easy to to straight-up in-your-face push my agenda and have people call me towny for my efforts, especially in this playerlist.- Light and L
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I did none of the above, fuck off.In post 296, chkflip wrote:Which is literally how gamma reacted as well.
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Also, okay, I'm trying to get into this game and also trying to have fun? Like what the hell is your problem with what you described.In post 283, chkflip wrote:Like, I get it. You're still trying to seem cool and casual but you need to respond with a sense of "give a fuck," yeah?
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- I don't recall ever talking about "if I was scum" or my scum meta
- Don't recall talking about Patronum's vote
- Don't believe I've said anything that can be construed as acting better than you.
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meta is trashIn post 278, chkflip wrote:Okay, so...
Mainstream Mafia was six years ago. It consisted of a team of five mafia, a serial killer, and a cult leader as scum. You're more than welcome to see if you can find the pattern for yourself. When in a massive game with alignments that'll kill you twice over (meaning you could die by either a night kill or by attempting to cult them) it's a little different. The cult leader there was IFM, who was eventually replaced by Thor665.
I feel that's a bit different than what we're playing here; however, I just wanted to show it as a base model for where my head is. You play a different game as cult when you've gotthreatslike that. THIS GAME IS NOT THAT GAME. The cult here have no opposition save a couple (at random) power roles that'll probably make shots in the dark because they don't know wtf they're doing. This game is cult-sided. Period. Point blank. So we, as town, absolutely fucking need to lynch the cult leader by end of D2. What does that mean, chkflip? To me, that means three things:
1. We look for scum as usual. The flavor of the scum is inconsequential to a certain degree. Mafia, wolf, alien, fucking hermaphrodite, whatever. Unfortunately, though, we have no NKA. Even VCA won't lead us to the right path fast enough. So our scum-hunting skill has to be pushed. We have to accelerate our process to help attain this goal. This lurky bullshit is just a lazy town waiting to get culted so they can auto-win after the other lazy town don't fucking do anything about it. It's gross. Play to your Goddamn win condition.
2. WeUNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCESclaim a Goddamn thing unless a hammer is provoked. We DO NOT NEED TO KNOW who the other unrecruitable is. We NEED cult to go aiming blindly in the dark in hopes that they hit the 1 out of 6 of us that is unrecruitable. (I'm aware I'm parroting this, but this is where my brain's at rn kthx)
3. We needn't rely on the average scum tells that lead us to lynching average mafia. This isn't mafia, like, almost at all. It's town vs cult, a faction that grows against us instead of dwindling us down. We have exactly 3 mislynches (on ANYONE but the leader) before we're completely fucked. Even if we keep them down to 2 cult ALL GAME, that's 5 mislynches (on ANYONE but the leader) which is better but not great without any sort of night action to assist us. So, like point one, this game is up to us and how we deal with the fact that we have to lynch correctly now more than ever. The only cult member flip we get that'll give us solid associatives is TODAY; any other scum member flip is completely worthless to us because we have no idea when they were culted or if they started as cult. It's all 100% WIFOM. Period.
Now, why Light and L? I thought you'd never ask.
this isn't even a fucking caseIn post 279, chkflip wrote:Mainstream Micro I - Cult Leader: JacobSavage
Mainstream Micro III - Cult Leader: TheIrishPope
Mainstream Micro IV - Cult Leader: Wisdom
The 2nd micro isn't linked correctly in my wiki or I'd have that one up as well.
The general synopsis of cult in micros is to look TOWN AS FUCK so that they don't get lynched. Now,my microsare only different in the sense that cult leader starts 100% alone and doesn't speak among its members (because there's no cap to real cult [sorry not sorry mod] so daytalk would potentially make them too powerful a force). Eliminating that, though, and you have a very small sample of what your average player does when given the role to simply grow and survive.
What is Light and L doing?
71 - Offering advice in regards to my silly push on Elsa Jay and the grandstanding EJ did with DD.
161 - Pushing discussion to go the way of "find scum" over "find the cult leader" (which I've already outlined is bad)
all six or seven posts defending the chemist wagon - it's easy af to just come in and white knight the policy lynch to look town
the domino theory - it places them at the lead of town and allows them to take charge and "sort" their three dominoes while leading town wherever they want
This is all well-orchestrated attempts at looking AS TOWN AS POSSIBLE while setting themselves up to lead us down the path.
Not only no, but FUCK no.
Lynch Light and L. They're the cult leader.
why chk? i thought you'd never ask
he puts words in our mouth - and when he calls us out for it he flails instead of manning up
so he's caught scum
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71 - letting you lead the town with that bullshit is a good way to lose, as evidenced hereIn post 279, chkflip wrote:Mainstream Micro I - Cult Leader: JacobSavage
Mainstream Micro III - Cult Leader: TheIrishPope
Mainstream Micro IV - Cult Leader: Wisdom
The 2nd micro isn't linked correctly in my wiki or I'd have that one up as well.
The general synopsis of cult in micros is to look TOWN AS FUCK so that they don't get lynched. Now,my microsare only different in the sense that cult leader starts 100% alone and doesn't speak among its members (because there's no cap to real cult [sorry not sorry mod] so daytalk would potentially make them too powerful a force). Eliminating that, though, and you have a very small sample of what your average player does when given the role to simply grow and survive.
What is Light and L doing?
71 - Offering advice in regards to my silly push on Elsa Jay and the grandstanding EJ did with DD.
161 - Pushing discussion to go the way of "find scum" over "find the cult leader" (which I've already outlined is bad)
all six or seven posts defending the chemist wagon - it's easy af to just come in and white knight the policy lynch to look town
the domino theory - it places them at the lead of town and allows them to take charge and "sort" their three dominoes while leading town wherever they want
This is all well-orchestrated attempts at looking AS TOWN AS POSSIBLE while setting themselves up to lead us down the path.
Not only no, but FUCK no.
Lynch Light and L. They're the cult leader.
161 - we're going to be spending this day looking at associations so it doesn't go to waste if we lynch the member, since associations aren't tainted at d1 yet.
chemist wagon - wow, preventing shitty wagons is towny, who knew. so as town i'd let it happen and not do anything about it. 10/10
domino theory - no? if you actually fucking solve those slots, every alignment including mine becomes really easy,- Light and L
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