Micro 890: CultD3 [Game Over; Korina Rules The World]

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Super

VOTE: chkflip

Fuck that guy

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In other words, it’s swingy

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VOTE: Chemist

Woo! Left RVS on page one!

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@Light and L can you guys set up an avi?

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Should we be claiming UT/not UT?

Absolutely fucking not

Jesus I was just about to let off the pressure, and Chemist scumposts again

Lay off Elsa. I get what he was trying to do. It’s kind of dumb, but it looks Towny. There’s probably cult in the push on Elsa, but my lunch ends in 3 minutes

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That is such laughable bullshit

For starters, I will TAKE a 20% failure rate on cult recruitment

For another thing, there’s NO pressure on the UT(s). None. They can sit on it and claim it when/if needed.

Furthermore, there’s a significant (and growing) chance that Elsa was bullshitting, and your plan pushes the UT(s) into the light

Again, for NO reason

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Sorry Elsa, laughable bullshit @gameplay

For another thing, even claiming “not UT” gives the cult a safe recruitment shot and further reduces the possibility of a no-recruit night

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Zzzzzzzz

Waiting for this to settle down and become interesting

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Yeah yeah, prodded.

I'll read up today.

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What did the hydra do wrong again?

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Mainstream Micro I - Cult Leader: JacobSavage
Mainstream Micro III - Cult Leader: TheIrishPope
Mainstream Micro IV - Cult Leader: Wisdom

The 2nd micro isn't linked correctly in my wiki or I'd have that one up as well.

The general synopsis of cult in micros is to look TOWN AS FUCK so that they don't get lynched. Now,

my micros

are only different in the sense that cult leader starts 100% alone and doesn't speak among its members (because there's no cap to real cult [sorry not sorry mod] so daytalk would potentially make them too powerful a force). Eliminating that, though, and you have a very small sample of what your average player does when given the role to simply grow and survive.

What is Light and L doing?
71 - Offering advice in regards to my silly push on Elsa Jay and the grandstanding EJ did with DD.
161 - Pushing discussion to go the way of "find scum" over "find the cult leader" (which I've already outlined is bad)
all six or seven posts defending the chemist wagon - it's easy af to just come in and white knight the policy lynch to look town
the domino theory - it places them at the lead of town and allows them to take charge and "sort" their three dominoes while leading town wherever they want

This is all well-orchestrated attempts at looking AS TOWN AS POSSIBLE while setting themselves up to lead us down the path.

Not only no, but FUCK no.

Lynch Light and L. They're the cult leader.

@pine

Yeah I don't buy this shit at-fucking-all, and there's probably scum on the wagon. Starting with Chemist (still).

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Mainstream Micro I - Cult Leader: JacobSavage
Mainstream Micro III - Cult Leader: TheIrishPope
Mainstream Micro IV - Cult Leader: Wisdom

The 2nd micro isn't linked correctly in my wiki or I'd have that one up as well.

The general synopsis of cult in micros is to look TOWN AS FUCK so that they don't get lynched. Now,

my micros

are only different in the sense that cult leader starts 100% alone and doesn't speak among its members (because there's no cap to real cult [sorry not sorry mod] so daytalk would potentially make them too powerful a force). Eliminating that, though, and you have a very small sample of what your average player does when given the role to simply grow and survive.

What is Light and L doing?
71 - Offering advice in regards to my silly push on Elsa Jay and the grandstanding EJ did with DD.
161 - Pushing discussion to go the way of "find scum" over "find the cult leader" (which I've already outlined is bad)
all six or seven posts defending the chemist wagon - it's easy af to just come in and white knight the policy lynch to look town
the domino theory - it places them at the lead of town and allows them to take charge and "sort" their three dominoes while leading town wherever they want

This is all well-orchestrated attempts at looking AS TOWN AS POSSIBLE while setting themselves up to lead us down the path.

Not only no, but FUCK no.

Lynch Light and L. They're the cult leader.

@pine

Yeah I don't buy this shit at-fucking-all, and there's probably scum on the wagon. Starting with Chemist (still).

oh my god

I’m not even on the wagon

Ummmmmmmmm.

Okay, that's valid. Maybe I should actually read the game.

UNVOTE:

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I'll try to read, sure. Hydrae are fine as long as they take it seriously, but most don't.

Good news though - pretty sure Doc Drew is Town.

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Yeah I don't buy this shit at-fucking-all, and there's probably scum on the wagon. [Snipped the A+ case on Chemist]

If L&L flips town, I could see one of the three others on the wagon as scum (chk/Elsa/ceejay). Looking like it could be ceejay.

I don't see why scum would want to bus on D1 in this game, so I'd likely give towncred to all currently on the wagon. If L&L is cult leader, the whole wagon is locktown imo.

Whoa hey, get a load of this guys WIFOM

VOTE: EP

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Yeah I don't buy this shit at-fucking-all, and there's probably scum on the wagon. [Snipped the A+ case on Chemist]

If L&L flips town, I could see one of the three others on the wagon as scum (chk/Elsa/ceejay). Looking like it could be ceejay.

I don't see why scum would want to bus on D1 in this game, so I'd likely give towncred to all currently on the wagon. If L&L is cult leader, the whole wagon is locktown imo.

Whoa hey, get a load of this guys WIFOM

VOTE: EP

Why hello again, old friend.

The discrediting begins... Ruby 2.0.

You’re misusing the term. Calling you scummy is not discrediting.

Implying I have an irrational or personal vendetta against you, however, IS.

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Curious. I didn’t say that.

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I don't like the wifominess of that post

WATCH OUT EP, CEEJAY IS DISCREDITING YOU

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”I didn't answer that question because it was a stupid question."

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I was just going to ignore it, but I enjoyed the added spite you provided.

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Ah fuck it. I’ll explain why it’s a stupid question.

Being Town is about being Town. Town is effortlessly Town, and always has the Town’s wincon in their mind.

Scum have to juggle two wincons. The one they’re pretending to have, and the one they actually have.

Being good at scumhunting isn’t about giving weight to all the times scum pretends correctly. It’s about spotting when they break character. An actor who remembers 95% of their lines is a shit actor.

So in other words, fuck your ISO. It’s irrelevant.

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”I didn't answer that question because it was a stupid question."

This guy gets it

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Whoa

Hey

That's a bullshit assertion

You can't "vanity vote" when there's only one wagon, and I don't agree with it. You're effectively saying "Why aren't you voting the way I am trying to subtly pressure you into voting?"

So how about these apples

VOTE: chkflip

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IT CAN'T BE A VANITY WAGON IF THERE'S NO ALTERNATIVE TO THE POPULAR ONE

BY DEFINITION

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The Townies in this game need to stop being scummy.

And I say “the Townies” because there are far too many people being super scummy for them all to be scum. Chkflip, EP, and Chemist would all be the obvscum of another game right now

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So uh

That looks bad for me

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Pretty sure that hardclears chk and chem, softclear on EP, Elsa and Drew. As Cult Leader, at least.

So CL is probably ceejay or Karnage

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Look if Elsa really is the UT there is practically even less reason for the other UT to not claim.
Having a 1/5 chance of culting the UT is not so good and as I said if the UT belongs to a scummy player it is going to be even more useless. And I don't want to deal with cult fakeclaiming UT next days since they basically lose nothing out of it and can create some pretty wifomy situations.
So since Elsa is already out(if she really is an UT) its best to just have 2 ICs THAT BASICALLY STAY HERE UNTIL THE END OF THE GAME. A micro with 2 ICs that basically last forever seems bonkers imo.

Also as far as I understand the setup we either lynch the cult leader or lose.
Thus I think that D1 is going to be the most important one with no cultings having yet happened. I think a good idea would be making a lynchpool of the scummiest players from D1 and sticking to it until the cult leader dies and then we can proceed with killing off the rest of the cult. Having 2 confirmed townies is really going to help with narrowing down that lynchpool too ( that's why I also think the UTs should claim).

Idk this game is pretty scumsided so we either make a plan to win or we lose. What am I proposing seems reasonable imo but lets discuss and flesh that idea out, shall we?
And as I said I think emphasis should be put on Day 1 so I want more posting today. Give me 25+ pages I dare you!

I’m leaning Karnage. He hasn’t posted yet, but his predecessor’s ISO is suspect. The above quotes in particular. Gameplay pushed obvTown Elsa right away after the UT claim, mostly discussed setup, encouraged the nonsense UT-claiming strategy, and had rather little substance other than that.

I’ll wait until everyone checks in, in case someone has a PR result that can wrap this up, and then I’ll want to push this angle.

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Not even waiting now

VOTE: Karnage

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Elsa also outed the gambit on like page 3.

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Are you kidding me? It was never a serious claim. It said so right in the claim.

I may be over-remembering Elsa making the gambit explicit, but I just looked at his ISO and it’s implied multiple places, which I will quote when I’m at a computer rather than phone.

Further, Cult Leader Elsa has a rolecop partner, which means he KNOWS we’re in column B, and therefore never puts himself in this position.

Use your fucking heads, people.

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and why out yourself for, who should be in your eyes, a VT?

fuck that, my vote stays

Ok so you’re openwolfing now

Cool

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It’s really only relevant after we get the leader. Even then, if we can minimize recruitments, we can win this mathematically.

Assuming we kill the CL today, it becomes a 6:1 game with no factional kill. We have five shots to get them. Essentially, we find one Townie and hang the rest. I’m assuming Elsa is Town, so there you are.

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Like how do you even get more obvious than Karnage at this point

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I'm gonna temporarily claim Unrecruitable townie and be On my way, claim subject to be permanized or change.

For starters, right there

Fuck off Karnage. I don’t have anything to prove to you

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If you’d recruited me, we could have been bros, and I’d have helped you win this. You didn’t, so I get to righteously hang you

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I'm gonna temporarily claim Unrecruitable townie and be On my way, claim subject to be permanized or change.

I don’t think an actual UT plays this game

Because it's more fun when your suspicious of me.

And it let's me see if there's paranoid people who change their tune later on, almost like... Their alignment changed or something.

Teasing that it’s a reaction test

"Catches up" but somehow also ignores the unrecruitable townie claim made twice. But you want to vote me for "pressure".

To be honest with you all, obviously. I'm very known for my honesty.

It's not supposed to. I'm also still under the assumption that 2 people ignore my claim and want to lynch me +there's 2 cult RN.

Why wouldn't it be serious? I even said "to be permanized" too.

I do, but it seems unlikely I'd use it if I'm actually a UT and I'd stand my ground.

These three in particular treat the claim as a disposable gambit to gauge reactions. He’d come right out with it by this point if he were actually a UT

I'm gonna temporarily claim Unrecruitable townie and be On my way, claim subject to be permanized or change.

You claimed UT

Chenn flipped Rolecop which means we are in Column B

There's no UT in Column B

Yeah. Does that sound like something a Cult Leader would do?

Does That sound like someone a Cultist would want to recruit?

Pretty much acknowledges that it’s a gambit in the past, now discussing the results of said gambit

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"Catches up" but somehow also ignores the unrecruitable townie claim made twice. But you want to vote me for "pressure".

Am I supposed to take an unrecruitable townie claim on page 1 at face value?
Why did you even claim that?
*respond to my other inquiries as well pls*

To be honest with you all, obviously. I'm very known for my honesty.

This doesn't really better my read on you

It's not supposed to. I'm also still under the assumption that 2 people ignore my claim and want to lynch me +there's 2 cult RN.

This is the sequence that really clinched it as a gambit and - oh wait, it’s your predecessor who’s trying to attack the UT claim, almost as if he knows for sure it’s fake. An EJ plays it to draw out overextending scum.

This is the “page 3” (it was page 4, my bad) sequence I was referring to, and it’s fucking damning.

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Screwed up some of the order of comments in 483, my bad.

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Pine isn't Cult Leader, he didn't visit anyone last night.

I'm Tracker and get your votes off of him.

So they recruited what was more likely to be a lying VT then a lying PR?

Now you just want to lynch the Tracker AND their semi-Inno result.

You claimed PR with zero votes on you for a "semi-inno result" that was at L-3. Yeah, no townie does that. The only reasoning that makes a lick of sense is that you are trying to protect your cult leader

You even said "get your votes off of him". That is just the cutest fucking thing

I mean...is anyone buying this?

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This is the sequence that really clinched it as a gambit and - oh wait, it’s your predecessor who’s trying to attack the UT claim, almost as if he knows for sure it’s fake. An EJ plays it to draw out overextending scum.

Overall I liked gameplay's day 1 posts so if you want to associate me with those I'm ok with that.

Did you know EJ was a PR based off their gambit or just that they weren't UT?

Just that the UT claim was a gambit.

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I don't believe Karnage is the cult leader. He's making too much noise. I believe his lurk slot was the go-to easy cult that, given the choices that scum had against them, wouldn't be potentially protected.

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

Case coming soon.

And there's your recruit.

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I’m comfortable being MLed here, but I absolutely point-blank insist on Karnage next

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Yeah I know. I’ve pointed out the 90%+ CL, presented evidence, and you’ve presented evidence of my innocence

Literally what else do you want me to do here? Ali can do now is demand that my ML, if it happens, be followed by a last-chance good lynch

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Cool. Townbloc activated!

Vote for Karnage, Chem

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Come off it, Karnage. You’re caught. White flag it and we’ll salute you for a valiant attempt

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Anyone else having issues with this site today? Been loading slow, and sometimes not loading at all.

Anywho, Chkflip......I am curious about your case on Espresso. You said you didn't have time to make the case, but it is still early in the day. I have had a solid town read on Espresso but I am all ears.

Yeah, it's been sluggish all day, sometimes to the point of non-functionality. The problem appears to be resolved now.

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Nah. Flipping cult but not leader just leaves us in the same position tomorrow, but the innocents we got today are erased

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Someone please hammer

Threats, warnings, unsubtle attacks on PRs...come the fuck on

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You are wrong, yes

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Currently 6:2

ML makes it 5:2, successful recruit (not guaranteed) 4:3

Lynch non-leader cult 4:2, successful recruit 3:3, yes

There’s a boatload of “if” in there. Characterizing it as LYLO is at best simply wrong

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EJ should be rolestopped again so we can get another result

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Karnage - who do you think is the CL? Quickly, before EOD

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Sorry you got converted, Chemist. Very sorry.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Atleast I tracked the Cult Leader for us.

Guilty is guilty, good job!

VOTE: Doctor Drew

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Not really. We have one mech inno and can lynch everyone else until we win

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I still think chk is the N1 recruit. The paranoia he’s sowing here is crazy

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Elsa.....to answer your question.

I am not a doctor, only play one on the internet.

And please, let's ask more questions of me. GTKACL.....GO!

Why didn’t you recruit me?

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Sure.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Keep your day job bro. Openwolfing is MY gig

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But I thought I was scum?

You’re still my bet for the N1 recruit

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Only one of us can be, bud. But it's super cute that you're setting up lynches.

It’s called “scumhunting,”

bud.

We’ve got two caught scum and I’m hunting the third.

And answer your damn PMs!

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Don't take that as necessarily direct at one of you.

Good cover

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VOTE: Chemist

Quick day gogogo

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Of course there it. You have a vote, and we should deny you the opportunity to quickhammer something. We can sort the N1 recruit in D5. Bye bye now.

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VOTE: chkflip

At this point, we can lynch everyone but Elsa Jay in sequence.

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I mean, I get the paranoia. I do have that reputation.

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Drew recruited chkflip. GG

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Fuck if I know. I'd give the edge to CJ.

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Pine has been slowing establishing this mislynch for several phases.

Discuss.

This is a bullshit argument. It’s STILL called scumhunting, backed up by consistency, and your old school argument from repetition doesn’t change that

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Okay, Pine.

Pine, okay.

Okay, Pine.

Say we're both town.

Then what?

Then your actions D2 don't make sense. And frankly, if you were Town here, you'd either be pushing me as scum or someone else. Not trying to reason with me.

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Lynch us both, sure.

Korina, can we just do that officially, to save time?

I’m fine with a double lynch, and there’s no point in nights anymore.

VOTE: Chkflip + Pine

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I’m down for a triple lynch, even. We’re really just picking the Town out of the pile anyway.

VOTE: Chkflip, ceejay, Pine

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W/e

VOTE: Ceejay

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Sup JBingle. We’ve collectively decided that EP/you were the least likely N1 recruit. Elsa Jay is mech clear, he was protected N1 by the rolestopped and gave us a guilty on Cult Leader Doctor Drew D3. We lynched Drew D3 and his N2 recruit, Chemist, on D4, as well as the Cult Rolecop D1.

Given mech inno on EJ and collective agreement on you, we can win by lynching everyone else. I want to do a three-in-one lynch on all of us, but these pussies want to slowplay it.

Doesn’t matter. I’m like 85% on chkflip being the N1 recruit. Vote there with me?

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Exactly. I’m ignoring the fake associatives that Drew and Chemist we’re throwing out when they were caught, and going with actions from before the Track.

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EJ is a Tracker, and followed Drew to him.

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More or less

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Sorry not sorry - my position has not changed.

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VOTE: chk

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Well fuck

VOTE: Bingle