Micro 890: CultD3 [Game Over; Korina Rules The World]

[Light and L]

i would say elsa and EP, and maybe chemist, are the dominoes. if you're a domino your job is to be cooperative and make it easy for you to be townbinned, and play with the goal of figuring out how scum is trying to manipulate the topping of the dominoes (aka - how they're trying to manipulate your interactions.)

[Light and L]

you can be right on almost every other slot, but if you can't topple the domino, it'll be hard to know if you're right. the rest of town won't care about your reads because they lack depth.

[EspressoPatronum]

mafia is a game of dominoes. solve a few crucial slots, look at how they've approached other slots (and how other slots have approached them) and you've got a good portion of a gamesolve.

stressing on cult leader, shallow reads, forcing interactions, etc etc is distracting. we have one day to play this game of dominoes before the inherent mechanics of cults makes all our progress worthless. wasting your time on a lynchpool,

or even finding someone to vote,

does not help.

topple the dominoes.

Ok but HOW do you topple the dominoes. Again, you knocked down everyone else's methods without giving us an alternative method.

All you did was give us a vague domino analogy.

[EspressoPatronum]

i would say elsa and EP, and maybe chemist, are the dominoes. if you're a domino your job is to be cooperative and make it easy for you to be townbinned, and play with the goal of figuring out how scum is trying to manipulate the topping of the dominoes (aka - how they're trying to manipulate your interactions.)

Are you saying dominoes are town?

Because if dominoes are town, you're really just advocating for creating a town core and lynching outside of that.

It's pretty much the same as my reads list.

[EspressoPatronum]

If you're saying the dominoes are your lynchpool, then you're again doing the same thing as my reads list.

[Light and L]

dominoes aren't even

about

lynching.

[Light and L]

they're not about establishing a towncore.

they're not about establishing a lynchcore.

they're about finding the slots that will solve the rest of the game for you ez mode when you solve those slots.

[Light and L]

take viewtopic.php?f=51&t=80198 (grey flag nightless) into comparison.

the dominoes were NerfedBuJ and geometry (a chennisden alt). i obvtowned (so i knocked down that domino), and RC pointed out buj was obviously defending partner before he died. looking at bitmap was all you needed to ez mode the game.

so no, it's not a "vague analogy".

[Light and L]

it's also about

reliably

solving the dominoes.

giving a read on every player without differentiating between your reliable and unreliable ones is worthless. and strong is not a substitute for reliable.

even a really good player will have worthless reads on around 30-40% of the playerlist, if they even bother focusing on those slots. they can determine which slots they can sort reliably and which ones will ez mode the game for them.

[EspressoPatronum]

Huh, this domino thing is new to me. I'll look your example.

And tbf, it was very vague until you started explaining it.

[Light and L]

fair.

i like that you're reconsidering your approach.

[EspressoPatronum]

Also worth noting that you're advocating for one of many theories with which we can shape our perspective of the game. You've been treating it as the only way to play.

[EspressoPatronum]

I'm a big fan of the town core theory, but I also like lynch pools.

Finding town is usually easier than finding scum, so building a town core and lynching outside of that is usually pretty reliable.

Giving a lynch pool signals to town who you're willing to compromise on lynching.

[Light and L]

it's true lynchpools can be helpful later in the day - but making lynchpools/townblocks and calling it a day is really not going to help because scum know how to get in a townblock. it's not that hard - you just post and be a little funny.

on the other hand, planning around dominoes is NOT something scum usually does.

[Light and L]

i think signalling who you're willing to vote is

okay

later in d-1 but this early, trying to surface read everyone is useless.

[EspressoPatronum]

@Chenn I read through the entirety of your linked game. I get where you're going for your domino theory, but I'm not sure if that game is analogous to this one for two reasons:
1) the conversation was dominated by RC, shosin, and one other (Buj, I think). Treating those as dominoes makes sense because they're the ones leading discussion by a large margin, but I'm not sure the same holds true here. The example of you being a domino is also distinguishable to this case, as you came in mid-D2 into a lurker slot that had to prove you were town. You did well btw, but it's not the same as this game.

2) grey flag is a different mechanic to this game. In that game, you needed to find 2 of the 3 scum, which allowed you to create a town block of 5ish and win if you got 4 correct. Definitely a tough task, but again, it's different to this game. If anything, Grey Flag is closer to a coalition game, which I'd say benefits more from town cores, reads lists, and scum pools.

All of that to say I appreciate the value of your domino theory, but I only see that working when one or maybe two things happens:
1. Active players are able to sort one another and form sufficiently strong pairings (I forget the word RC used in the GF game, but it's essentially the chance of two people being scum together) between themselves and/or others.
2. When we're later into D1 or maybe into D2+. For now, I'm happy with my town core and lynch pools. What are yours?

I'll work towards the domino theory in a few (real time) days once we have more material to work from.

[Light and L]

I like ceejay and chk and im not happy with chemist.

[chkflip]

UNVOTE: Doctor Drew
VOTE: Light and L

Too town to be town.

[Elsa Jay]

That logic rarely works, Chk. At least day 1.

[Light and L]

. . .

[Light and L]

that's how we're supposed to play d2, but ok

[chkflip]

Oh yeah? After you cult up again?

Not happening, fam.

[chkflip]

I can also guarantee if we lynch out of the domino pile afterward, we hit their partner.

[Light and L]

Not following too well but why are we townhunting in a cult game
-I think I'm the Light head, this is Gamma

[Korina]

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