Grand Idea uPick [Game Over]

[KidAmn]

1st

[KidAmn]

I would like to formally request a D1 extension to February 6th 2020

No particular reason

PEdit:

Vote: Gamma Emerald

sus as fuck btw

[KidAmn]

VOTE: KidAmn

That GE vote is the worst RVS vote I've ever seen.

Congrats, you win a vote.

Does it have sprinkles?

[KidAmn]

Gamma hasn’t even posted yet

Exactly

[KidAmn]

I'm here to chew gum and post memes

[KidAmn]

fuck I needed that pagetop

bye guys, was a fun game

[KidAmn]

So we have an IC off the bat. Interesting A50 opted into that role, most people wouldn't.
I want to open with a little game, one I haven't done in a while: Cop, Neighborize, Vig. Here's how it works. You give one unique person for each of the slots Cop, Neighborize, and Vig. Cop is for someone you doubt your ability to read well. Neighborize is for those you trust your ability to read and work well with. Vig is for people you feel like are a liability coming in. Explain if you like.
I'll start.
Cop Turin Tarambar, only name I don't recognize.
Neighborize Almost50, even barring bring IC he is a pretty good read for me and we have a good dynamic that would work well in a hood.
Vig TemporalLich, coming in I really feel like my expectations for him are super low, sorry but I'm gonna be straight here.

Cop you, after Project ARCH I'm pretty sure my ability to read you is non-existent given how hard I SR'd you for most of the first couple days
Neighborize A50 so I have at least one person I can privately bounce thoughts off and scumhunt with knowing for sure they're on my side
Vig pisskop before they have a chance to ragequit and replace into their own slot with an alt to avoid being read again

I don't hold grudges honest

[KidAmn]

Can we modify this game of GE's so that you can't neighborize the IC. Because I'm pretty sure that would just be everyone.

I'll rule that you

can

choose A50 but it

cannot

be for being IC.

I came here to have a good time and I'm honestly feeling so attacked right now

[KidAmn]

I shall now treat pisskop as an IC solely to prevent that from happening

Of all the hot takes so far in this thread

Hoo boy

[KidAmn]

Hi lonely, I'm running on 2 hours of sleep and about to murder my colleagues

[KidAmn]

Nope, just couldn't drop off all night for whatever reason. My colleagues are just contributing to the headache.

[KidAmn]

Lions and tigers and 2-shot reflexive uncharismatic cult leaders, oh my!

[KidAmn]

I hope we get to clap those cheeks

[KidAmn]

There's a lot of things it could be that could be any kind of weird mashup of roles and alignments, the role thread had like 50 different named variants on neighbours/masons/cults/et cetera. It does make me wonder just how many hoods there are in this game though.

[KidAmn]

I noticed this morning on reading through the thread that Hectic has already said "obvtown" 4 times in 43 posts. That feels... not great. He also feels very self focused, which is odd.
Also something about Pisskop's string of posts seemed unnatural. My vote is probably split between hectic and him rn.

what's wrong with that?
why is obvtown bad?
and i base reads around myself
i think you're good btw

Pisskop wagon is still good

VOTE: Pisskop

I wouldn’t say the selfbased reads themselves are bad. But rn you read a lot like “oh I’m obvtown. Look guys, I’m obvtown! Don’t you think I’m obvtown?” Which is kind of a weird AfR/LAMIST thing. And i don’t really think you’re obvtown yet? I dunno, maybe it’s just me.

There's been some sort of hood claim I vaguely recall? With a NK, and two doc abilities? Yeah not buying that. I think there's a PT, but I also think it could be some sort of cult.

It does sound made up, but no, it’s a thing. I’m also in the PT

I didn’t say the PT didn’t exist
I just highly doubt it’s actually a neighborhood.
What kind of neighborhood has an NK?

If everyone else's picks were as out there as mine, this is going to make the average role-madness game look like C9. Neighbourhood with a NK and a doc pales in comparison to some of the shit I shortlisted.

[KidAmn]

Given what information I have purely from my role PM, I would say that the best course of action in this game is going to be to ignore the roles themselves (well, not completely ignore obviously, investigative results should be treated with the same care as usual) and focus on the deeds and words of players. Approach it like role-madness. If someone says they're a Even Night Compulsive Watcher, don't assume they're town, or even Mafia. Look at how many goddamn different factions are in that post #0. It's gonna be a wild ride.

For that reason alone, I'm not going to instantly treat this... masonry, or neighbourhood, or whatever you want to call it, as suspicious just for having access to abilities beyond the purview of vanilla 'hood members/masons/yadayada, and doing so is narrow-minded at best and outright sus at worst.

Vote: TemporalLich

The fact that you instantly jumped on this and tried to project it onto others combined with my view outlined above makes this a serious vote.

[KidAmn]

alright inferno what's your favorite color?

And if this isn't naked fishing I don't know what it is.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: NMSA

What is this talk about a neighborhood?

And more importantly, what do these two sentences have to do with each other?

[KidAmn]

They don’t

So are you even reading the thread? And what's with the naked vote?

[KidAmn]

btw
more likely Rau pocketing me
rather than other way around
because of his weird stance on me
but i buy it
for now

Are you always this painful to read?

[KidAmn]

btw
more likely Rau pocketing me
rather than other way around
because of his weird stance on me
but i buy it
for now

Are you always this painful to read?

you mean read what i'm typing?
or read my alignment?

Yes.

[KidAmn]

I bleed green

This sounds gross out of context

Also, Aliens bleed Green.

CLAP THEM CHEEKS

/s if not obvious

[KidAmn]

ISOed KidAmn
don't like what i saw
had to cover my eyes a little
lot's of popins and non-content
small questions with no followup
get added to Field of Suspects kid

Delaying the OMGUS for a bit before you do it doesn't make it not an OMGUS

Lots of small questions is my style

So are memes

Call me when your FoS is less than half the game

[KidAmn]

You having Rauthedir as a scum suspect means you are instead scum

not sure about him
just leaving him there until i ISO him again
has a weird mix

Forgive me if I'm wrong, it's been a few years since I've been able to claim to be down with the kids, but "FoS" and "not sure about him" used to be pretty far apart when I gave a fuck about all these acronyms you youngsters use instead of your words

Which one is it, Hectic? Or are you simply more interested in being able to say you suspected Rauth or didn't suspect him based on how he flips?

[KidAmn]

It means you're scum with Turin, hectic

Pedit: Yeah but I modestly townread Rauthedir, definitely not FoS-worthy

so scumread me for disagreeing with you on a read?
wow
amazing
incredible
good luck pushing me
too many people townread me
nice try

I think with your lamist you will soon be seen as a scum demon trying to drive the town into eternal darkness

saying people townread me is LAMIST?
very funny shadow dweller
be gone from whence you came
was shining some light down on you for a while
giving you the chance to start climbing
redeem yourself

but it's too late now Rau

i'm switching off my torch
good luck in the abyss

You're really impressing me with how much you're reading to not even know who you're arguing with

[KidAmn]

Try searching for "Sliver" instead.

[KidAmn]

Did anyone put anything cult related in their 5 options?

Why ask this

hey gobs

Nope. Not answering that now that you’ve been caught.

yikes

Pisskops side of this interaction looks infinitely more town than yours Gobble, especially since he didn't even ask the original question. So let's put it this way: given that this is a question nobody is likely to answer honestly that it's incredibly leading, why ask it other than to look as if you're gamesolving?

[KidAmn]

Seriously? He’s lying about his reads. He’s either lying about finding Temp’s list bad or he is lying about his Turin and NMSA read.

You people are dead wrong if you think Pisskop is town.

The statements pisskop made aren't mutually exclusive. You can have someone in your PoE pool and/or think their play is lazy, and still criticise someone's game solve that comes to the same conclusion as disingenuous (this is how I read it, feel free to correct me if this isn't what you were getting at, piss)

[KidAmn]

Did anyone put anything cult related in their 5 options?

Why ask this

hey gobs

Right, so now we're on the same page, this still requires an answer, Gobble.

[KidAmn]

I’ll explain why I asked that question if everyone answers.

Fine. I did not explicitly pick any Cult roles: some number of my picks involved randomisation that could have rolled a cult role. Roll role roll role.

[KidAmn]

gobble was an sr for a bit, but he's coming back from that.

Care to explain why? Apart from the cult hunting, which is NAI. You seem to have a habit of throwing out reads with not much to back them up.

[KidAmn]

try booting up Ubuntu
that usually works

can people stop voting Lichy now?
read through

this

if you don't believe me

Y? Time to get the serious talk out.

very similar to game linked
naked reads with little explanation
scummy tone like fake reactions to things
lazy scumhunting
basically locktown for me now
is mayor in my PoF

"He's playing really scummy, so I think he's town" is rarely a good look

don't remember who asked me about kid
but didn't answer my question in 673 or 714

The question was so stupid and the answer so blindingly obvious I didn't think it required it

Seriously, can you people think for more than TWO seconds about why someone would want to tie people to a cult or non cult pick?

Occam's Razor bitch

hectic/a50
rauth/kid
ofrhz
-------
Turin/Spam
-------
EZ
gamma/inferno
gobbles
chen/TL

lol I forgot TL.

I dont think gobbles has proven they are interested in sorting, nor am I happy that the game essentially stopped when the dayvig+gobbles demanding we popcorn happened.
I wonder if gobbles asked us to claim when she did for any particular reason, but I kind of think not.

You’re blaming me for the status of the game? Seriously? You think one single turkey has that much sway and power to cause people to play the way they are? No. Don’t be ridiculous.

Also, you seriously need to get out of your tunnel. Who are your scum reads besides me?

Shoutout to gobbles asking a question that was literally answered by a post made an hour before he asked it and kind of proving pisskop's point about him not really being interested in sorting/gamesolving

[KidAmn]

Imagine outing yourself for no particular reason and doing the exact opposite of what a cop should do D1 and rendering your role near-useless then requesting a replace out

[KidAmn]

Imagine outing yourself for no particular reason and doing the exact opposite of what a cop should do D1 and rendering your role near-useless then requesting a replace out

You're insufferable.

I'm reliably informed as such

[KidAmn]

Imagine outing yourself for no particular reason and doing the exact opposite of what a cop should do D1 and rendering your role near-useless then requesting a replace out

You're insufferable.

I'm reliably informed as such

How are you 29 and think being a jerk

chicken

is a personality?

a) I'm not 29
b) You replaced out

[KidAmn]

I'm not 29

This is an outright lie. I am a Day Profile Checker, and I checked your profile and it says your age is 29.

You believe everything you read on the internet?

[KidAmn]

hey kid
your avoidance of my question is scummy
and your annoyance at it is fake
scummy scum

can we get some votes on Kid please?
is a capybara trapped in a bear trap right now
just need to put him out of his misery

I assure you my annoyance at your lack of ability (or more likely, intentionally playing dumb) to read and derive meaning from what you read is entirely genuine.

Let me break it down for you very simply.

If I'm stating that you're OMGUSing me, and OMGUS is typically a knee jerk reaction to being voted or suspected by someone...

Reckon you can make the final leap on your own there buddy? Hope you can, because your constant assertion I'm in your ludicrously large FOS pile and generally nonsensical manner and content of your posts means we're done talking now. Buh-bye.

[KidAmn]

Rautherdir is scummy scum scumming around as scum
townreads me so would feel bad attacking him
need you to scumcase him for me please

The only question I have right now is, is Hectic coaching to pocket or coaching his buddy

This is almost so obvious I can't believe it but

Occam's Razor bitch

[KidAmn]

Vote: Dr Easy Bake

[KidAmn]

UNVOTE:

K

[KidAmn]

Yeah, it's been miserable just trying to read the game, let alone post.

That said

V/LA for the rest of the week

- Moon's haunted.

[KidAmn]

Yeah, this is terrible, legit took me 5 minutes to get here and post this from the front page of the forum.

[KidAmn]

And... chennis and Hectic have been consistently defending each other. (Hectic started heavily scum reading me after I voted chennis the first time, and brought it up again after I brought up putting my vote back on chennis for lack of a better option. And just now Gobbles voted Hectic and chennis begins shading Gobbles.) I was originally just going to wait a bit and then vote chennis to see if Hectic brought up a scum read on me again for a third time and bring this up after that, but chennis defending Hectic is confirmation enough.

I don't doubt you on this but can you quote the posts w/ the context? I'm loathe to lynch someone for just defending a TR (although arguably Chennis has done so little this game it's hard to know who they TR/SR).

[KidAmn]

I love how fast this game is going.

@Scum:You guys best shoot me tonight or the next night at the latest. I don't foresee D3 ending before Team Mafia kicks off, and if that happens I won't be reading any of the posts in this forum, which means you'd be in trouble because I won't be a town beard anymore.

I'm torn rn. There's one person I reasonably town-lean on both leading wagons, but also one person I'm at least leaning scum on. I think Rauth is right in that Chennis has a) been useless and avoided doing anything of real worth, and b) helps sort some other players with question-marks on their head. Gamma has been sat the TL proto-wagon for being lazy for the last 300-odd posts despite this game's activity dropping off to the point that calling anyone lazy is kind of hilarious, while their own content/attempts to gamesolve have been minimal as well - even allowing for lack of posting ability recently, it's somewhat uncharacteristic of what I know recently of town-Gamma. Then we have our IC pointing at NMSA built off Gobble's 955, which is solid reasoning, but that lynch provides less gamesolve and less direct gamesolve. I'm even more at a loss than I expected to be in this kind of clusterfuck of a game, so I'm gonna go with my gut and my strongest TR.

Vote: Chennisden

[KidAmn]

The question I have about Chenn is if he is presumably scum and is lurking because of that, why the hell would he have picked a scum role to begin with? This isn't a game in which we rolled our roles randomly. We actually chose to be either this or that (up to 5 picks) and if he hated one particular role/alignment he most likely would not have picked it.

Am I wrong?

You're not, but there's equally a chance he picked non-town roles he thought would be fun, and ended up being aligned with players who he's not enjoying playing with. Like, outside of the roles Chennis may or may not have picked, showing up yelling "I'm gonna solve the game" (paraphrased) and then doing sweet F A and coasting would be pretty strongly SRd by most people, right?

[KidAmn]

Calling it a flash wagon is an exaggeration. I'm not at all surprised by it, given that we've had wagons on Chennis and TL for a couple days going nowhere (gosh, I wonder why). People will go for whatever.

KidAmn, I’m curious how Chennisden’s death gives us anymore information than NMSA’s? Or Hectic’s?

Chennis has, in what little content they've posted, distanced from Hectic and shaded the IC:

yeah, just busy due to stuff going on.

i get why bingle voted hectic

i dont grok with a50's vig

then later shaded Gobble for voting Hectic without saying as much:

Gobble y r u this way

I agree with Rauth. This is a weird divergence. Knowing Chennis' flip gives us indicators on Hectic.

Chennis later shaded TL while implicitly suggesting NMSA's nascent wagon was not town-motivated (and then immediately walked it back over the next 2 posts):

NMSA feels like a counterwagon to TL

Actually idk it might be the other way around

Lychnbait v lynchbaithmmm

And when pressured, offered no defence or even the kneejerk AOA you might expect, simply stating

Nice way to pretend my lynch provides anything helpful

Bonus points: Hectic was happy to go with the Chen lynch until a couple of votes appeared on me, at which point they opportunistically hopped off.

there are 3 viable wagons
townread the two main ones
chen is meh
that's why am voting for him

nice
people realising my read on KidAmn is amazing
good job everyone

VOTE: KidAmn

A Chennis lynch informs us more about Hectic, Rautherdir, NMSA, TL, and everyone who interacts with the wagon. Y'all can talk about me "feeling overdone" or whatever, I don't give a fuck. If y'all wanna leave Chennis 'cause you're scared he's a Jester and have someone sort him at night, that's fine too. I think that flip gives us good info and it purges us of a player who has manifestly shown they don't want to play.

[KidAmn]

I rest my gd case.

[KidAmn]

^This just proves there are way too many people coasting by and not doing anything, letting us all argue amongst ourselves - even with the replacement that's still not been found. It's making me doubt my reads even more than I already was.

[KidAmn]

Claiming before anyone gets a chance to fuck me.

viewtopic.php?p=9537774#p9537774

Got notified as soon as the vig on Bingle went through.

[KidAmn]

Vote: Inferno3000

[KidAmn]

New Site Rule:

DEB should be PL'd in every single game regardless. Switching sides willingly is bad enough an idea, but -also- doublecrossing me and Gamma was even worse. Fuck me if I trust you again even if you were a mod-confirmed IC

DEB only became Mafia in the simulated future where I shoot DEB (night 6 in most possible endgames.)
DEB was Town at the end of the day 5.

I'm fine with the Werewolf and Sliver PTs being released.

And finally, wow I didn't think for a while that I could pull this off.

Ditto on the WW PT. Glad I could help from the grave

[KidAmn]

FWIW I 100% don't blame anyone for doing weird shit and double-crosses in a game that was, as this clearly was, bastard (albeit as well balanced as a bastard with the picks chosen could have been).

[KidAmn]

The mod told the Sliver thread that we needed to kill Gamma in order for slivers to win

wait hol up

[KidAmn]

The mod told the Sliver thread that we needed to kill Gamma in order for slivers to win

wait hol up

Let's clarify that a bit. This was at the end when only 4 were left.
The sliver wincon was to completely dominate. We all interpreted that to mean be in the majority, but the mod corrected it to say we had to be the only ones alive to activate that wincon. We weren't explicitly told to kill Gamma, it just follows immediately from what we were told...

Ah, see that sounds a lot less concerning.

[KidAmn]

I think I fundamentally disagree with a significant amount of the decisions you've made there, even as someone who has benefited from them. Nothing personal, just not how I or I think most other mods would have handled it. But that's your prerogative, not picking a fight.

[KidAmn]

impossible to balance

...more impossible to balance