Micro 892 Mafia PT

[Datisi]

Also, the neighbor enabler role is giving me pause, since i kinda find it hard to believe that "claim your role but town" would be a viable strategy

But i can't think of any way that it would make me unfit the Town, since enablers are kinda negative utility

I mean i can always claim VT when the time comes (unless someone sees the crumb which i doubt), but eh

[Menalque]

Why? If it exists, all it does is gate the town. Like, in a larger game, I might be more suspicious, but in a micro I think it’s pretty safe tbh.

Idk if I bother crumbing or not. I’m kinda feeling lazy which makes me not want to, but I could always crumb a doc just in case, that’s a fairly safe scum claim.

I think I’d like to kill ico N1 then probably klick N2 unless someone else better emerges

I increasingly think ico needs to die because he knows us best of everyone here. But ideally he’s TRing us by end of day. The only thing is that if someone emerges as being good at leading town they might overtake him as a priority.

I wanna keep chem alive because he’s a possible mislynch and he doesn’t know my game that well I don’t think?

So really it’s dexising between who we wanna lynch/buddy out of Bella/klick/dong/Locke/heaven that’s important

[Menalque]

I mean go ahead and call me out if you think my post is me misunderstanding, that prob looks good for you esp if we flip dong as town today

[Datisi]

Hm... If you wanna claim something along the lines of Doc, maybe give it a fancy modifier?

[Datisi]

Every time I mention you in the main thread, there's always a thought in the back of my mind that "oh god someone's gonna figure out this is a S/S interaction because ABCXYZ". So stupid.

[Datisi]

Spoiler: posting the crumb here so I can easily grab it if needed

For some reason I thought "good shenanigans" also meant "Town shenanigans", i need sleep

Though if you're more sus of Bella (which I assume why the vote?) why "dayvig" Klick?

Pedit: Bella, I asked that question, not Icon?

Also see y'all later, gotta run

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ow

Though if you're more sus of Bella (which I assume by* the vote?) why "dayvig" Klick?

(ebwop) Icon, I think you missed this question (and some of Mena's as well)

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arlier?

Dongempire, what changed between 77 and 82? Seems like a weird progression on

I

con.

Also in regard to 83 and 84, not sure how you come out with TRing Bella over Klick? I don't find the posts you listed in 84 as particularly scummy. Also, while both their posting at the start of the day was null-ish, I don't think Bella's further posting has been especially

g

reat.

Dongempire, what changed between 77 and 82? Seems like a weird progression on Icon.

Based on context I’d guess it was based off 80

80 is your post though? You mean that 80 made them read 72? Though that post doesn't seem to be overly positive of Icon, so I'm not sure what you mean

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ere.

Oh

Not sure how you can draw a TR from

that

post (if 82 was even a serious read to begin with, which maybe it wasn't and I'm dumb?),

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ut... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dongempire, what changed between 77 and 82? Seems like a weird progression on Icon.

Nothing?
I hadnt read up on the game yet when i made the post, and just saw that icon was in the game and menals comment. Then i read up properly and saw he was towny.

Gotcha. Thought your read had changed because of the posts made between 77 and 82.

I dont tr bella, nor do i sr klick. I'm going through the motions, i think saying that i have strong reads on either would be stretching it right now.

I didn't say you do. What I meant by saying you "TR Bella over Klick" (and I see if my wording could've been a bit confusing there) is that you think Bella is more Town than Klick.

Not gonna fly with just saying the last posts are bad, provide examples if you want this cart rolling.

Examples of Bella's posts I'm not a fan of are 52 and 65. Sure, she's asking questions, but I'm not sure I see her using the answers for anything? To me it just reads like passive questioning of

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thers.

@datisi, this is what I do day one - I ask a lot of questions. I'm trying to get a read on people, not necessarily direct the thread.

I mean, asking a lot of questions is fair game, hell I often do it a lot myself, but I kinda don't see the answers being used? Like, did Mena's answer impact your Mena or Icon

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ead?

Hmm, I don't know how I feel about this.

Regarding Locke's mistake, I'm not sure that it's necessarily scum indicative, but I've made the mistake of letting things that shouldn't slide slide, so we'll see.

Overall liking datisi, always like an active sorter, klick is there, not really sure how to feel about him at the moment, liked menal's entrance, chemist is mostly nothing at the moment, pot calling kettle black I know, dong's funny so my read maybe bias but leaning town currently. And the rest of your posts don't make me feel more inclined to consider you town so I'mma keep my vote on you

Though I can't help but wonder if Bella does raise a good point here. You said you liked Mena's entrance, and he did spend a few posts talking about me (poor man must still be traumatised), so I kinda find it odd as well you didn't bring it up? Maybe I'm just overly paranoid of potential buddying.

At the time of making the post 95, had you read

e

verything?

Regarding Bella... It's nice to see them engaing in discussion with someone, but posts like these still seem a bit off to me.

Ive asked two (now three) questions - one of which to iconium, who hasn't replied to me - but from others' response, I'm guessing he's just like this. I can't read this slot well yet.

It's pretty obvious iiked the thought that went into menalques answer and they cleared up an issue I had with two different reactions that didn't make sense to me (to klick and ice).

It's should also be easy to reckon I'm not impressed with Locke's posting.

Feels kinda uncommitted? (To be fair, it is page 5/6, so it may be too early, but still.) You liked the thought that went into Mena's answer, but I still got no idea how you're reading him (or the majority of the game)

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ow.

I know it was fake, but you said in 51 that you dayvigged who you found scummy, so I'm a bit confused is

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ll.

I know it was fake, but you said in 51 that you dayvigged who you found scummy, so I'm a bit confused is all.

And didn't I say I thought him 'panick claiming' lovers for the least amount of pressure was scummy?

You did, I was kinda asking about your vote, since your dayvig was on Klick but vote on

B

ella.

Jezus how difficult can you make something?

Klick claims lovers with Bella. I 'shoot' Klick. They both die. Problem solved.

but it was a fake dayvig

I'm being called out for interacting with the 2 players whoms interaction I found, at the very least, weird.

What is this

Bleh, just potentially worried if your actions are off, since you said you don't think they're s/s

I'm probably overthinking it

Then vote me, honestly surprised you haven't yet

Did you misread my post? Maybe I posted it weirdly?

I was agreeing with you that Bella was overdefensive there, and she's my top scumread right now but it's early for something concrete

While I'm not a fan of that defensiveness from Locke, this did make me

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augh

but it was a fake dayvig

but it was a fake lovers claim

they why did you shoot him for being lovers

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Bleh, just potentially worried if your actions are off, since you said you don't think they're s/sI'm probably overthinking it

If I were actually a vig, and Klick actually claimed lovers like this game, I would 100/100 shoot in them and kill them both.

...excellent plan,

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ight.

Yes, this was hell to get out. Also I stole this method of crumbing from someone in an older game hehe

[Datisi]

Okay, that went... Okay.

[Datisi]

Oh yeah, had a dream last night that gobble replaced heaven and figured both of us out. Might have to keep an eye on that slot.

[Datisi]

Hmm. I guess that, as long as we aren't the compromise lynch of the day, stalling the day out could be a potential strategy. Maybe.

[Datisi]

Potential thoughts: Bella may be good lylo material for us (mainly you). Tho I'm having trouble figuring out whether her timid actions are due to her personality or being a possible PR.

[Datisi]

Well, chemist seems to be sus at least
Getting dong today could potentially set off a chain lynch there but that'd be a bit difficult

[Menalque]

I would like to do dong today if reasonably possible

I think chem is a good option for our lylo mislynch. he generally doesn't effort that much in games, so it's plausible we can spin that as being lazy scum chem, esp if he's on the wrong side of a mislynch.

[Datisi]

Ye that would be good. If we manage that it would be nice.

[Menalque]

bringing Bella could be nice, in which case we need to decide on the final. maybe heaven?

I could see Locke being the mislynch for today if we don't get dong. but I think we benefit a lot from getting dong because I'd really like klick gone before lylo as well, so we need to mislynch one of the two, and I'd rather it be dong because I think given the irl relationship dynamic between klick and Bella she might react more strongly negatively to anyone who pushes a mislynch there once he's flipped town.

[Menalque]

also, I'm gonna ignore your contribution on trying to clear up the 'misunderstanding', okay? I think town me would push that as lamist but I don't wanna draw any attention to you for it esp when the focus should be on dong for a minute now

[Datisi]

Oh, i hadn't thought of that. She does tr both of us, I'd like it to stay that way. And I do agree on dong being a better lynch today, but not sure how I could jump on there at this point without being sus.

Pedit: sure.

[Datisi]

Bleh, kept agreeing with dong earlier. Maybe if they become the compromise lynch I could do something.

[Menalque]

I think it’s fine tbh, you can always reconsider your read on him if he responds badly to the pressure and it’ll look natural

I think Vca is pretty trash mostly, because the meta around it is known and therefore easy to manipulate. So I don’t think we really have a problem with you being on or off the final wagon, or on early or late because there’s always a reasonable alternative explanation for wagon positioning

[Menalque]

We only need to worry about vca if the others in the game put a LOT of stock into it, imo

[Datisi]

Yeah fair. But still gotta make it look natural. Hnnng I'm not in the right state of mind for mastermind scumplays rn.

[Datisi]

Uhhh
I kinda have a feeling that you've got a better hang on the game rn than I do
So like
Kinda feeling lost idk what do

Ugh i know low activity can be good for us but it's also kinda hard to play in for me?
I need sleep

[Menalque]

Yeah I don’t love low activity games either — just spam me here! Apathy in the game is generally beneficial for scum so long as we’re not on the lynch train. In my first scumgame I remember asking my partner if we should reinvigorate the game for town points, but he said he thought apathy was more beneficial than the town points.

But also, things are still getting started, this feels like a normal lull. I think there are good odds dong and I have a bit of a thing, which will get things going

Idk if I do have a better handle on it than you? I’m like a page behind haha, I’ve only really read the dong bit, no idea re:bella/klick really

[Menalque]

Just remember to be chill and that we’re not on the radar rn for anyone

Like even dong wasn’t reading my critique of his posts there as scummy, he just dismissed it as drunk!logic

[Datisi]

Uhhhhhhh
Why
I forget how crappily playing scum can feel

[Menalque]

Uhhhhhhh
Why
I forget how crappily playing scum can feel

I was just about to come here to post this. Like the objectively right move is prob to play on dong’s emotional state to get people to SR the validity of what he’s saying. But I’m not willing to cross that line, so I’m forced to just acknowledge it and respond in a way that doesn’t help my wincon but I don’t really have another choice?