Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Note: the vigs are stoppable via the scum in the doctor hood. The Cops are stoppable via the scum in the doctor hood.

Yes. A 1-shot JK is capable of stopping 4 Vig shots from 3 different players in addition to 2 ungated Cops. That's the best balance I can think of.

You know what? I am going to design a game based on your setup spec of this game here, and then I'm gonna make YOU the reviewer. I DARE you to pass it.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Better question: Why are there three full town cops if Vecna is scum?

Everyone please note that Bingle is consistently LYING because Naive Cop is no Cop at all. It's just a visitor.

[Bingle]

Actually, JK is the only type of doctor that IS capable of stopping multiple vig shots. But you're literally agreeing with me that the setup is VERY townsided. And then arguing that the setup needs to be EVEN MORE townsided to compensate.

[Bingle]

Better question: Why are there three full town cops if Vecna is scum?

Everyone please note that Bingle is consistently LYING because Naive Cop is no Cop at all. It's just a visitor.

Kagami and Kuribo are both town players in this game. I know that's inconvenient to your narrative, but you're going to have to live with it.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Actually, JK is the only type of doctor that IS capable of stopping multiple vig shots. But you're literally agreeing with me that the setup is VERY townsided. And then arguing that the setup needs to be EVEN MORE townsided to compensate.

Making you untargetable isn't townsided. The power is NOT in numbers.

[Bingle]

Making a scum into a public ascetic doesn't solve :oops all investigates: It makes them more likely to be policy lynched. Your solution to balance is to say "Hey scum team, I've given you 3 players in a 17 person game. One of those players is in a hood that immediately has extra suspicion. Also, the other two will inevitably die early to vig shots or guilties. You have absolutely no way of interacting with any of these design features, because at least two other people have access to the information about each of your roles."

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

It makes them more likely to be policy lynched.

And that's why your hood is intact in what you claim to be MyLo.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Also, the other two will inevitably die early to vig shots or guilties.

I guess it's bad design to have expected NO SCUM SLIPS from a SCUM COP (yeah.. sure chandra was on everyone's "to shoot list").

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I mean, the chandra slip alone proves the setup was balanced enough with 3 scums. If chandra hadn't skipped someone else would have been lynched on that day, and the game would have been even more tilted in your favour by now.

[Bingle]

1. The only way this isn't MYLO is if there is solo scum that isn't me or Vecna. (Or the game is already over and scum is fucking with us.)

2. My hood is intact because Marquis shot scum N1, and I gambited with Vecna being town.

3. You know who has wanted to lynch in my hood? Fucking everybody. Literally. Fucking. Everybody. I spent most of yesterday shouting down wagons on the VIG who SHOT SCUM.

[Bingle]

I mean, the chandra slip alone proves the setup was balanced enough with 3 scums. If chandra hadn't skipped someone else would have been lynched on that day, and the game would have been even more tilted in your favour by now.

You realize that every investigatable slot has been investigated at this point in the game, right? If there's a sane town cop, chandra would be dead.

[Bingle]

And yes. If we had only lynched 1 scum the game would be over with 6 people left in a 17 player game. That's... common sense.

[Bingle]

Do me a favor and find me a game with 17 players and 3 scum.

I cannot remember even one instance of that happening.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

The only way this isn't MYLO is if there is solo scum that isn't me or Vecna. (Or the game is already over and scum is fucking with us.)

There is a Solo scum and it IS you. Also, scum are not modding, Mod said scum win even IF NO SCUM WERE ALIVE if all Town was caffeinated. "Assuming" one scum is left outside your hood (IMPOSSIBLE) YOU gave them the key to winning here by shooting you & Vecna. You're not THAT stupid though, so you ARE the one scum that is still alive here.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

My hood is intact because Marquis shot scum N1, and I gambited with Vecna being town

And THAT was your plan to victory.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

You know who has wanted to lynch in my hood? Fucking everybody. Literally. Fucking. Everybody.

If "everybody" wanted that then it would have happened. The fact is it never got a majority.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I mean, the chandra slip alone proves the setup was balanced enough with 3 scums. If chandra hadn't skipped someone else would have been lynched on that day, and the game would have been even more tilted in your favour by now.

You realize that every investigatable slot has been investigated at this point in the game, right? If there's a sane town cop, chandra would be dead.

If chandra was alive you would have shot the Cops before anyone else. You don't fool me.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Do me a favor and find me a game with 17 players and 3 scum.

Oh! Surprisingly that didn't take me long!! Check this one out

[Bingle]

My hood is intact because Marquis shot scum N1, and I gambited with Vecna being town

And THAT was your plan to victory.

My plan to win was to pocket one player and have my other hoodmate suspect me all game after shooting my scumbuddy.

Yup, you caught me. Also I haven't submitted a single nightkill because I'm functionally braindead.

[Bingle]

I'm disengaging, because arguing with you serves no point. I'm not going to convince you to admit you're scum.

If anyone who is town wants to engage over why "3 scum is stronger than 4 scum" is fucking retarded as a balance argument, I'd be glad to pull your head out of your ass. If anyone who is town wants to engage on why my plan as scum here isn't save obvtown from town self destructing over and over again, hit me up. If anyone who is town here wants to grow a brain, we can still win this fucking game.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: Bingle

Disengagement accepted

[Bingle]

Summation of JJD's play this game:

Attempt to get the entire doc hood to join the 'unkillable' hood, caffeinating 3 townies and himself.
Attempt to get the unkillable hood lynched on the back of 'it's a scummy power'. Later disregards the balance issue of having two scum who are virtually guaranteed to be lynched/vigged and one scum who 'has a scummy power'.
Attempt to get the vig WHO SHOT SCUM lynched on the back of :shrugs:.
Derailed a lynch on himself on the basis that he could be investigated.
Used his doctor on a night when there was an obvious scumkill that he had a 75% chance of preventing, presumably because he had a 25% chance of killing someone, when his hood had not fullclaimed, had internally claimed to not be acting, and scum presumably had no reason to suspect a protection, even if they had a member in the docs.
Argued for the specific lynch I know loses town this game, that also happens to be on the person who suspects him.

[PenguinPower]

Ok...so...here's where I'm at:

I have a town result on JJD - Croag says she does too. I have no idea what my alignment is, and BingleJingle posted a logical reasoning as to why scum would be able to ascertain their (and my) alignment. So, do I believe that a JJD/Croag team would have done that?
I didn't like some of the posting from Croag in the PT on re-read (probably naive cop/can we win this?/can we check again?) and I didn't like the suggestion to cop D1L over JJD and no response to my suggestion that JJD needed to be copped over D1L being ignored.
JJD vs. BingleJingle is reasoning vs ATE, and BingleJingle!reasoning has solved previous games.

VOTE: JJD

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 5.2

Judge Joseph Dredd [2] - Bingle, PenguinPower
Bingle [1] - Judge Joseph Dredd

Not Voting [3]

- Vecna, Marquis, Croag

With 6 alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-10-03 16:00:00)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Let's stop wasting time here.. I don't want to drag the game much longer when the outcome has been decided.

VOTE: JJD

@Spectators: I HATE stupidity. I will make it a habit that when I believe Town is being stupid I would self-destruct in response. Not taking this BS from people who cannot thing logically.

@Croag/Vecna/Marquis: One scum is between Vecna/Bingle, and I think it's Bingle. I have nothing more to add.