micro 886: mbos6 william tatney. game ogre

[Mislim Bait]

Alright u guys got me
I'm infinite bulletproof

[tris]

you already made that joke

[mastina]

We are a rolecop with a negative modifier that can give us no result under X conditions (which we haven't got as a result).
We've checked Citceh and everyone except Mastina who's still.alive as VT. That's why we insisted yesterday was a win since we townread Mastina.
I don't think you'd put a rolecop in with two vanilla mafia. Then it's just mod speculation. Any setups like that by the mod?
-hop

I can answer that quite easily, but first, I want something from you:
Can you give a fullclaim of your role paraphrased as exactly as possible, with the results you've gotten paraphrased as closely as is possible?

What your role is precisely affects my answer so I need that detail first.

[Doctor Hopson]

(redacted) rolecop

Investigate to get role. VT/goon both come up as vanilla. If (redacted) my action will fail. (I'm assuming this is no result but I'll ask just in case it's really badly worded)

All results = vanilla, only names differed in wording.

I'm assuming false results of any kind are bastard/wouldn't be allowed in a micro unannounced.

[Doctor Hopson]

Considering reasons for no kill

Mafia has a condition like redacted. Only Mastina would be mafia.
Mafia can kill or do something to block my action instead. Only tris would be clear.
Something to do with voting- doesn't appear possible, would be Mastina unless something else applied.
Limited shots- feels broken.

-both by hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Is that the intent?

I claim informed

damp

tracker. I followed n1 hop but he didn't go anywhere.

the damp modifier allows me to track only when my vote is not on a town lynch or on a scum lynch.

The informed part I'll let out if everyone agrees on.

This strong implies to us there is a mafia pr, not two goons. Also looks like mafia do have a fail condition on their kill.

-hop

[tris]

Is that the intent?

I claim informed

damp

tracker. I followed n1 hop but he didn't go anywhere.

the damp modifier allows me to track only when my vote is not on a town lynch or on a scum lynch.

The informed part I'll let out if everyone agrees on.

This strong implies to us there is a mafia pr, not two goons. Also looks like mafia do have a fail condition on their kill.

-hop

Could you explain both of those conclusions?

[tris]

Considering reasons for no kill

Mafia has a condition like redacted. Only Mastina would be mafia.
Mafia can kill or do something to block my action instead. Only tris would be clear.
Something to do with voting- doesn't appear possible, would be Mastina unless something else applied.
Limited shots- feels broken.

-both by hop

I don't understand how each of these scenarios lead to those conclusions.

[Doctor Hopson]

There was no kill.
The scumfakeclaim had a condition where their action may fail, and it was due to a wet/dry etc modifier.
Our role has a condition that may make our action fail due to a w/d mod.

It seems more likely that something made their kill fail than that they ignored submitting it twice. Although the second time could have been to keep even numbers and the first for honour.

-hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Second one should read 'mafia can no kill' as you're the only person we checked on a night without kills. Unlikely scenario.

-hop

For the first, it could be something to do with who targets who during the night. For the scenarios I've gone through, most people are out.

[Mislim Bait]

Alright then
Now lets end this day and u can check her tonight

VOTE: No lynch

[mastina]

(redacted) rolecop
Investigate to get role. VT/goon both come up as vanilla. If (redacted) my action will fail. (I'm assuming this is no result but I'll ask just in case it's really badly worded)
All results = vanilla, only names differed in wording.

Alright, story checks out. What I was mostly checking on is that in your original claim you said rolecop with results of vt, so I was making sure you weren't scum who legitimately did scumslip by mixing up your roles, confusing rolecop and Neapolitan.

As promised, I can provide my answer to this now:

I don't think you'd put a rolecop in with two vanilla mafia. Then it's just mod speculation. Any setups like that by the mod?

As a matter of fact: Subject: micro 840: Wolfs (complete.)

oh . . mastina and shmeep . . . HELLO! you both received the same role PM

(Goonx2) Subject: mystery box of silver 5: mafians this isover

yo! all three of you got the same PM, i.e. mafia goon. you may talk here at any time & one of you will perpetrate a kill each night. bo-ring!

(Goonx3)

Two of the previous MBoS games I played in were all-goon scumteams.

Even in the games which didn't have an all-goon scumteam...the mafia role here was a n4 jailkeeper; the mafia role here was informed macho mafioso, informed that there was a Neapolitan that knew there was a Macho in the game more or less. (It was a nothingness role, basically.)

The only MBoS game to break this tendency was the third but that game was an abnormality in all regards; it was heavy in town power and in scum power and frankly is an oddity in the series (and by no coincidence is also the game I know the least about to be honest; I mostly know about the first, fourth, fifth, with some knowledge of the second).

schadd_ has also modded multiple games where there were all-goon scumteams outside of the MBoS series, too.

So basically: schadd absolutely would put a rolecop with two vanilla mafia.

You also have to keep in mind: a staple of the series is the mafia being given information that the town lacks, and the mafia often being forced to give the town some form of advantage. In MBoS 4, this even manifested in the game becoming nightless past a certain point, something they had no control over; that is one of the reasons why the lack of kills this game could very well just be scum having been unable to kill those nights.

[Doctor Hopson]

If I scumread Mastina before the night action, then I’d be no lynching or lynching her now. I didn’t.

Ok so let’s think of as many explanations as possible for the lack of kills.

1.) Scum can’t kill during the first two nights

DrDolittle (4): mastina, Doctor Hopson, Mislynch Bait, tris
Not followed by a kill (with DDL alive)
Doctor Drew (4): mastina, Doctor Hopson, tris, Mislynch Bait
Followed by a kill

2.) (per above, no kills when all living scum not voting someone) Scum can only kill if they’re all voting the lynch candidate
3.) Scum are informed in some way and wanted to keep it at even numbers for daystart d2. Either couldn’t or just didn’t kill n1.
4.) Limited kills throughout game.
5.) A certain restriction like the one DDL claimed is restricting kills based on actions (likely mine) used eg only kills if targeted/not targeted.
6.) Something interferes with checks in exchange for no kills? (is this bastard/allowed?)
That’s all that immediately springs to mind. Considering the ‘watch the votes’ phrase then 2 could be viable. Would want to avoid Tris or Mastina voting no lynch if possible so run down the day timer intentionally without voting or doing anything?
Want to think of more explanations for ‘watch the votes’ as we’ve seen nothing vote related EXCEPT DDL’S FAKE ROLECLAIM.

my informed information is that there's an additional wetness modifier roles in game. it's not for the sake of cc-ing...

I claim informed damp tracker. I followed n1 hop but he didn't go anywhere.

the damp modifier allows me to track only when my vote is not on a town lynch or on a scum lynch.

Weird wording instead of ‘not on a lynch’ allows action to go through if voting TP/no lynch/not voting.

Any instances of bolded stuff not being important at all?

-Hop

[tris]

Is that the intent?

I claim informed

damp

tracker. I followed n1 hop but he didn't go anywhere.

the damp modifier allows me to track only when my vote is not on a town lynch or on a scum lynch.

The informed part I'll let out if everyone agrees on.

This strong implies to us there is a mafia pr, not two goons.

I want this specifically to be explained.

[Doctor Hopson]

We have a condition that can affect our action with a fair resemblance to that.
We have a similar name to damp (related to wet/dry etc).
Doesn't look made up from nothing based on that. They have a role, or they have info.

-Hop

[tris]

Would want to avoid Tris or Mastina voting no lynch if possible so run down the day timer intentionally without voting or doing anything?

what would this accomplish? mafia could just decide to no kill.

[mastina]

Would want to avoid Tris or Mastina voting no lynch if possible so run down the day timer intentionally without voting or doing anything?

what would this accomplish? mafia could just decide to no kill.

I won't explain why, but the mafia nokilling is desirable for multiple reasons, reasons which lose their effectiveness if explained.

So, would be happy to test the theory out.
I sincerely doubt that the scum will no kill, but I would be quite glad if they did.
Suffice to say, while I don't think that the plan will work, the merits behind it are at least worth trying out.

[schadd_]

william tatney had a gun, but he wouldn't shoot no one
only loyal just to some, to them even not a ton
i'm a nun
he shot a possum outside my convent though : (
the possum however survived through god's love

Vote count 4.1

no lynch (1):

Mislynch Bait

not voting (3):

Doctor Hopson, mastina, tris

with 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. day 4 ends august 9th at 13:50 central US time; in (expired on 2019-10-09 13:50:00)

mod notes

• yeah so like uhh everybody is in prod range

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[tris]

so are we no lynching?

[schadd_]

prodding mislynch bait, doctor hopson, mastina

[tris]

where are you all!

[mastina]

where are you all!

Hey I had the last post in the thread last time, don't blame me.

[tris]

Alright then
Now lets end this day and u can check her tonight

VOTE: No lynch

this is what we should do right?

[Doctor Hopson]

That's what we do, but there's a 1% chance running down the day is actually better.

@Mod: happy to end the day early in the same way as ending night early. This is not a no lynch vote.

Also I can confirm we get 'no result' if the 'effect' makes our action fail.

-Hop

[Mislim Bait]

Prod prod prod prod