Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Let's stop wasting time here.. I don't want to drag the game much longer when the outcome has been decided.

VOTE: JJD

@Spectators: I HATE stupidity. I will make it a habit that when I believe Town is being stupid I would self-destruct in response. Not taking this BS from people who cannot thing logically.

@Croag/Vecna/Marquis: One scum is between Vecna/Bingle, and I think it's Bingle. I have nothing more to add.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

UNVOTE:

Just because you asked. It's become inevitable though as Bingle has clearly pocketed the town. OR maybe I am wrong and Vecna is the scum? I don't think so because this isn't his play style though. I would not expect Vecna to be pulling this one trick, plus Bingle adnitted HE invented the "inkillable" part, and Bingle is the one that quick hammered chandra for no good reason (aside from shutting down any further town conversation and planning). I also buy Vecna misreading me, but I don't buy Bingle misreading me AT ALL.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

You admitted we talk a LOT outside if games. You know how my mind works.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

You've also been Scum with me, and you modded Scum!Me.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

There's NO WAY you think THIS is my Scum game.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

No. I haven't. We've played together in 3 games. This one, Role Call (You suspected me 0%), and Police Academy (You suspected me 0%). I was scum in 2/3. You were scum in 1/3.

We were scum together in Police Academy, iirc?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@PP: If you're scum just claim it and let this game be done with. Bingle will shoot Vecna and you win via the alternate wincon. THANK YOU.

If you're TOWN though, Croag challenged you to vote her. Why did you not take her up for it? If I'm scum (and you're town) Croag

has to be

scum with me.

The fact that you came back to me is what's keeping me from explicitly TRing you here, because from Town!You PoV there's absolutely no difference between the two options, while from Scum!You PoV you KNOW it would be sus AF to turn around like that, because neither Vecna nor Marquis will agree to it.

I thus call on you -as a friend- that if Vingle told you JJD was the mislynch to just claim and we can end the game here and now.

P.S. I just NOW figured why Bingle is so adamant on lynching me.

Bingle still doesn't believe I acted on N1

, and thus claiming scum NOW does NOT win him the game.

OK.. now that I know why you're so adamant to lynch me today, I will tell you

honstly

that I DID act on N1. I am indeed caffeinated and you can end this silly crusade right here and now.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

OMG! Now I'm 200% sure its Bingle. NOBODY ON THIS PLAYERS LIST would figure I could have faked my action to set up scum into prematurely claiming.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I mean the LIVING players. I know FL would have considered it.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@VECNA / @MARQUIS: Rad above. Bingle wants me lynched NOT because thinks I'm scum (because he knows I'm town because HE IS SCUM), but he doesn't trust my claim that I acted N1, so he is playing it safe. Lynch the lynchable "unknown caffeinated status" and shoot the "known UNcaffeinated UNlynchable".

I have no idea how stupid PP is, but I still lean town on him because HE FUCKING COULD HAVE CLAIMED A GUILTY ON ME IF HE WAS SCUM. He outed his result AFTER Croag. He knew it would have been safe to claim a guilty on me if he was Scum, and it would have been a game winning move.

So it's BINGLE ALONE. THAT is the ONE SCUM LEFT ALIVE.

VOTE: Bingle

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

^Note: Not "PP is town because I am town and his only possible partner." Possibly because JJD isn't town.

You know as well as I that this isn't true. Theoretically PP could still be scum with you (and that's why he keeps coming back to voting me). If you & PP are scum together you should claim your victory now, because I am indeed caffeinated. But you don't want to take any risks and you know I could gave bluffed all along and that's why you won't claim scum right here and now.

If you lynch me and PP is your p you can safely scum claim in twilight (and the mod probably ends the game at that as there are no protective roles to prevent your kill on ANYONE, which makes it 2-2 and scum achieve parity).

But if that's the case PP could still as easily go for Croag, because your team would be playing for the parity win con either way.

So, I am saying you AND ONLY YOU are scum here because you want to lynch me over Croag (who made a brilliant move by that offer, btw..) because lynching her leaves you with the same problem of "what IF JJD bluffed and isn't really caffeinated?". In this case you shoot Vecna and the game doesn't end and you get to fight one more day and this time the odds will be fairly against you. OR you could opt to shoot me first, and then I flip Town and -again- you're in such an awkward position because both Cops are cleared by my flip.

Theoretically it could be PP alone, but that means he lost already because he now has to shoot both you and Vecna over 2 successive nights so why is he siding by you when he could cut his work short by voting you and shooting Vecna next?

In sum, Scum!PP would be playing really really bad whether he was a lone scum or paired with you.

But let's get back to reality: YOU ARE THE LONE SCUM here and we both know it. It's just how deep you managed to pocket BOTH your hood members that decides the game outcome, and tbf I've given up on Vecna, so my only hope is Marquis can see what you're doing here and why.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Nobody wants to lynch Vecna. Not Croag and not me. We want you and only you because you are the scum here, and not Vecna.

Again, you're misrepping just to try to find a way to switch to Vecna if your crusade on me fails. Vecna is the only uncaggeinated Townie left here. Lynching him would be handing you the win on a silver plate.

PP won't be lynched (and neither will Croag) I agree. Why? Because they can only be solo scum. Either that or they've already won regardless (the scum of the two + their p in your hood). So lynching either of them changes nothing. You're absolutely correct her (at least in theory).

As a solo scumster neither wins today either. They would need to shoot BOTH you and Vecna. But here's the trick: NEITHER could have planned it this way. Neither even knew you were killable (if either ia a lone scumster now). So it follows neither can be solo scum here.

Only you (or Vecna) can be the last standing scum here. and given a choice between the two of you I'd say it's you 11 times out of 10.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Theoretically PP could still be scum with you

He really can’t. There is a 0% chance that town wins if me and penguin are scum together. I wouldn’t waste this much effort on a game I’ve already won, especially when no one has listened to me in the thread for 4 day phases already.

tell me something.. let's say I am scum, and let's say I am lynched.. now my p has to be between Croag/PP, right? They shoot you (say). Tomorrow it's still MyLo (actually LyLo as No Lynch still loses the game for town). Now how are you going to decide which of the two to lynch?? WAIT.. did I say they shoot you? I take it back. Let's say they shoot Vecna, so YOU can decide.

Yeah, I know... they can check each other.. but then they either both get a clear on each other (my p bluffs), or they both get guilties on each other (my p fakes a guilty to counter the guilty on them), or one gets a guilty and the other gets an inno (and you still can't tell if my p is the sane one faking or if the townie legit got a guilty).

So... tell me HOW you're going to decide on THAT.

You see, Town!Bingle is NOT short-sighted. He would have thought about this already. Scum!you though doesn't care and it didn't occur to him even because he knows the game ends today (or rather tonight) if he manages to mislynch me.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I’m noticeably not okay with lynching Vecna.

yet you wanted Croag to case him for you.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

v/la until endgame, shoot jingle a pm if there’s another dayphase.

can you really not. if you're town this helps nobody

That's a hypothetical IF. He's NOT TOWN, I promise. He sees his chances dimming fast and he is trying to "pull out of the scene" so that the town may implode as we turn on each other.

@Bingle: I also say it's either you or Vecna, but I am voting you. Croag did the exact same. In her mind it could theoretically be Vecna, but who does she

want

to lynch? I guess her vote is clearer than anything I would say.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Did anybody notice how Bingle ignored my main question in 4336?? He didn't give us his insight on which of the Cops to lynch after me. Instead he declared VLA!!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I'm fucking done. If town loses, we deserve the loss for some spectacularly shitty play.

1- Fake AtE
2- Notice how it's "If town loses" and not "If

we

lose"?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

jjd #2 is bs and u know it

Check his 4323 and you'll get the meme

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

im so fucking annoyed with myself for not lynching jjd yesterday.

cause i wanna side with bingle here, but it feels like croag and pp are such major wildcards that convincing them both, and then takibg the proper 50/50 tomorrow is gonna be such a longshot

There is NO TOMORROW, Mr Beavis. Lynch me and the game ends tonight. Lynch Bingle and the game ends TODAY. That's it. NO DAY SIX EITHER WAY.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Did this game die already?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

For the bloody note: A No Lynch is as good as handing the game to Scum right now. All they need is shoot in Vecna/Me to be guaranteed the win tomorrow if they're a couple.

@Marquis: Please make up your mind and vote one of me/Bingle

@Vecna: You said you'd hammer anyone, right? I hope you stick to your word.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Vecna: You said you'd HAMMER WHOEVER. Why change your mind now??

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Because both Cops got a clear on me, and one of them is a Sane Cop

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Marquis: If it's PP + Bingle they already won. If it's Bingle alone we have to lynch him today or he shoot Vecna tonight and wins still.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

In short, it's either me or Bingle now and we cannot No Lynch.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

When did Vecna say he’d hammer whoever, JJD?

Let's give Bingle the benefit of the doubt. Let's just assume he didn't see it and was too lazy to go look it up.

what does it matter anyway? if marquis votes bingle i can still swap.

But Vecna acknowledges he did say that..

It matters because he made it up, and we need marquis to see that.

Yet that wasn't enough for Bingle and he is trying to convince VECNA that VECNA didn't say that!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually fuck it, ill just sit on the sidelines and hammer whatever comes first.

I absolutely made that one up. Sure. Bingle is using every psychological trick in the book to get someone to vote me.. either Marquis or Croag. He either wants Marquis to

mistakingly

think I'm lying, or he wants Croag to doubt solid logic and forfeit the game.

I have nothing more to say.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

The amount of bad fakeclaiming on this site has to stop.

Sadly, this was the one time I decided NOT to fake claim!

Imagine if I really hadn't been caffeinated but claimed to be. We would have had a D6 with me as conf!town, Marquis as conf!town and the two cops who were TR'ing each other vs Bingle. *Sigh*

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

So as not to be mean to anyone I shall refrain from commenting on any individual play. I just want to say that had we joined the "unkillables" on N1 we would have exposed the lie on D2, and we would have probably had reason enough to -at least- pressure Bingle on that day (at least until chandra slipped). You worry about caffeine? We LOST by caffeine still.

Thank you for hosting, FG. It was an interesting setup.

@chenn: it probably would not have changed the outcome, but why didn't you CPR me on N4 as I had suggested? A 5-players LyLo is theoretically better for the town still. I say it probably wouldn't have changed the outcome because they would have lynched Croag anyway (Bingle, Vecna & PP), but still [in]in theory[/in] it was the right move.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Thank you for hosting, FG. It was an interesting setup.

Quoting so that it won't get lost in the middle of my previous post

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Or, if certain person listened what rest of his hood said and didn't get caffeinated N1 for no reason, town wouldn't lost to caffeine as it were 3 uncaffeinated people

Are you bloody reading or is your head stuck up your ass?? How wqas that ever going to matter?? It would have shown that only 3 people were caffeinated, and it would still have got me lynched. Wait. Let's assume I wasn't lynched and the game went like it did. Bingle just shoot Marquis instead and claims that I did because Marquis was the only "confirmed" townie, and Bingle/Vecna/PP still lynch me and Bingle still wins.

But really... do I expect you to understand any of this? Absolutely not. You just want to be right and will argue for it all the way to hell and back. I dunno what you're trying to compensate for but please don't do it at my expense. Thank you.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

No. I guess you're right. With 2 clears on me none of Scum!Bingle, Butthead!Vecna or Peepee-Brain!Penguin would vote me like EVER.

WAIT! They all DID! But you're still right because you know everything.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

No. That was Vecna. I did claim my action on N1, mate.