micro 886: mbos6 william tatney. game ogre

[Doctor Hopson]

Ha Doctor Watson doesn't exists. I'm actually Doctor Hopson mind you.

I have no time for mercy.

VOTE: Clemency

[Doctor Hopson]

VOTE: DrDolittle

Hi all. Sorry to not have posted yet. I'm gutted I missed the Tris wagon (which sure looked fun) but I've been caught in a snowdrift for the last few days and haven't had much internet access. Not sure why my vote appeared in the last votecount. I'm fairly sure I didn't vote for anyone. Somewhat suspicious of CITCEH since there's two players in one slot so they've clearly got twice the chance of being mafia as anyone else does. Also they haven't made any scumslips yet which is pretty suspicious.

I know Egduf personally. DrDrew and I will unveil this meta since its good for everyone

How about Hectic?

-H

[Doctor Hopson]

Don't think you're off the hook either Charles.

-H

[Doctor Hopson]

Just the two votes on DrDolittle right now so it's fine to add PRESSURE.

@Clemency: how do you feel about Dolittle's L1?

-H

[Doctor Hopson]

Don't think you're off the hook either Charles.

-H

You better not be taking shots at my old friend Charles, ALRIGHT? Why was Charles hooked in in the first place to have to be released now? Your answer may affect my read on you for the entirety of this game.

I cannot disagree with your logic that our slot is two times as likely to contain mafia. I, Bobby can vouch for myself being a [BULLETPROOF COP], I will allow Lilimip to claim in her own time, but I currently suspect she has crumbed being a [LYNCHPROOF DOCTOR]. Now that you've made us spill all of our fucking secrets, you should do the same.

Dr. Dolittle's vote was scummy.

You've got to find that scummy too right?

I'm going to counterclaim BULLETPROOF cop. I'd like to counterclaim Lynchproof DOCTOR too but there's only one of me.

-H

[Doctor Hopson]

UNVOTE:

Jfc, it's like people want to speedlynch today.

Hectic being hectic -- classic

If people would leave me alone with an L-1 wagon then this day would be over already. It's like you aren't even trying to set a record for quickest-micro-scum win.

I haven't checked the vote count yet, but consider my

unofficial vote

on Dolittle. I'll check back in a few hours, count things up, and vote accordingly.

Having said that, I do dislike the over the top caution espressed by Espresso here. Ridiculous.

I, Bobby McHec'ton declare Intent to hammer on Espresso.

Are you just saying this for the oft chance espresso gets to L-1 at any chance?

I'm not kidding when I say this:

Take EVERYTHING Hectic says with a grain of salt. Half of it makes no sense.

Wow, what a discredit. Are you going to take that Edugf?

[Doctor Hopson]

I'm not kidding when I say this:

Take EVERYTHING Hectic says with a grain of salt. Half of it makes no sense.

HEY, that's pretty rude, you just happened to catch me in a demonic mood today. I'll try and calm myself down for the evening, and come up with some excellent rational reads, just be patient, ALRIGHT?

I, Bobby McHec'ton see through your code EASILY, Hopson. You're clearly crumbing [BULLETPROOF DOCTOR] there, a stupendous move. My mafiaread on you has move from major to sergeant.

I'm just going to come out and claim I'm the mafia lynchproof cop (you were close though). I know it's an odd move, but I've got a hunch this game is bastard and there's actually 7 mafia and 2 town.

-H

[Doctor Hopson]

I haven't checked the vote count yet, but consider my

unofficial vote

on Dolittle. I'll check back in a few hours, count things up, and vote accordingly.

Having said that, I do dislike the over the top caution espressed by Espresso here. Ridiculous.

I, Bobby McHec'ton declare Intent to hammer on Espresso.

Are you just saying this for the oft chance espresso gets to L-1 at any chance?

I want to hear more from Drew too. I promise it's not a hatred of doctors speaking here. He seems passive.

[Doctor Hopson]

Not sure what you mean by hydra, but all of the posts from me today were definitely mine.

How do you feel about Drew Lilimip?

-H

[Doctor Hopson]

I know Egduf personally. DrDrew and I will unveil this meta since its good for everyone

Huh?

UNVOTE:

I haven't checked the vote count yet, but consider my

unofficial vote

on Dolittle. I'll check back in a few hours, count things up, and vote accordingly.

Having said that, I do dislike the over the top caution espressed by Espresso here. Ridiculous.

I, Bobby McHec'ton declare Intent to hammer on Espresso.

Are you just saying this for the oft chance espresso gets to L-1 at any chance?

Feels like he's avoiding commenting on some of the more obvious stuff to comment on. 72 feels kind of evasive.

-H

[Doctor Hopson]

The unannounced L1.
Any opinion on Drew.
The wagon.
The alleged meta the other doc referenced.
Charles disliking DDL (unclear how Drew read DDL).

What was the point of that question btw?

-H

[Doctor Hopson]

Ok. So the reason why I didn't want to commit on whether I'm seriously on tris' wagon is because it was more of a reaction, both on her and on everybody else. I think I got some fairly decent reads out of the following discussion. I'm dissatisfied with her response that she has reads, and then disappears without elaborating on them, but her overall posts in response to my L-1 was not a scum-flail.

With this said, I’m having a little trouble with Citceh due to the hydra and posting style, but I’m not sure that’s where I want to focus my attention pursue right now.

Clemency is so far consistent with his town game in 2040, among others where he makes funny irrelevant posts for the first couple of days. I think his post calling wanting day 1 to exceed page 2, and the fact that I like clemency means he can be town for now.

Espresso if town for me. Post 63 is an attempt at making sense of my posts and calling it out as he sees it. 71 is showing new-town player jurisprudence for avoiding a flash wagon, where he could have just ignored it and played for my lynch before page 5.

On the other hand I think Hopson is pretty scummy

VOTE: DrDolittle

Hi all. Sorry to not have posted yet. I'm gutted I missed the Tris wagon (which sure looked fun) but I've been caught in a snowdrift for the last few days and haven't had much internet access. Not sure why my vote appeared in the last votecount. I'm fairly sure I didn't vote for anyone. Somewhat suspicious of CITCEH since there's two players in one slot so they've clearly got twice the chance of being mafia as anyone else does. Also they haven't made any scumslips yet which is pretty suspicious.
[...]
If people would leave me alone with an L-1 wagon then this day would be over already. It's like you aren't even trying to set a record for quickest-micro-scum win.

Here's him trying to shift attention away from tris vs me, which is the dominant topic, onto something that largely irrelevant (and clearly a joke). But what he's saying is not even true. At the point there were still 2 votes on tris' wagon, and it has by no means fizzled.

Wow, what a discredit. Are you going to take that Edugf?

He attempts to set up a provocation between citeh and espresso to further derail hunting. This looks like a scum positioning into being able to push either expresso or citeh depending on how the game progresses. Hopson is both scummy independently, and could be scum with tris in that he's trying to push attention away.

VOTE: Hopson

Good old Doc is back. Can't believe there were four pages of stuff to read.

Now here's what I can't believe is happening. DrDolittle is manufacturing things I have clearly

NOT

said. He's trying to paint me a villain here when I've only made one post and I don't like it at all.

Come now, just because you want to be the only Doctor left in the game, doesn't mean you can fake an argument against me.

VOTE: DrDolittle

P.S. Hectic Sensei please

touch

teach

me more. I'm under your guidance OwO

Also claiming [BULLETPROOF

SERIAL KILLER

DOCTOR

]

[Doctor Hopson]

Doc.

[Doctor Hopson]

I'm just going to come out and claim I'm the mafia lynchproof cop (you were close though). I know it's an odd move, but I've got a hunch this game is bastard and there's actually 7 mafia and 2 town.

-H

WTF?

VOTE: Hopson

Does Charles have a reputation? This is a bad reaction otherwise.

DrDolittle is prob town, so is tris(which means she is scum heh).

Dr Hopson is prob troll scum(let's not count out jester).

Espresso seems to be a carbon copy of the our last game, town lean, but meta only carries so much weight.

Charles is..uhh, Charles.

All I can figure out of this shit show so far.

I'd like to hear what you mean by 'troll' scum.

P.S. Hectic Sensei please

touch

teach

me more. I'm under your guidance OwO

Bobby checking in, we should principle lynch this. Anyone dare to disagree?

100% agree. Wouldn't tolerate anything like that. Not sure why it's got my name in the quote though since I didn't post anything like that so you must have edited the quote tags.

Will comment on the doctors tomorrow. Busy atm.

-H

[Doctor Hopson]

VOTE: Charles Seems like something I was going to do anyway.

Which question?

-H

[Doctor Hopson]

Only question is hydra head related. I think citceH is the only hydra in the game.

-H

[Doctor Hopson]

Well there's been some weird posts that I don't remember posting looking back through the game. Are you saying I got hacked?

[Doctor Hopson]

I kinda want to policy Doc H because the hydra shenanigans are going to be a pain.

Icing on the cake that others think Doc H is scummy.

Anything that ends in -Hop is definitely something I post. I think it's reasonable to ignore the rest (except for the two I forgot to do it for that are surrounded by other posts ended in -Hop).

Why is other people disliking me a good sign? I'd have thought the opposite.

You know what, it's probably easier if I just say that Egduf, Hopkirk, Doctor Watson, and I have played QUITE a few games together off-site. I was initially alarmed by the HIGH volume of memes Hopkirk was generating early on; he's not one to meme THIS much in a forum format, but it was beside some decent scumhunting and prodding, so I think it's just him having fun given how fucking weird this situation is.

-Bobby McHec'ton

Confirming this. I'd estimate me/Hectic have played about 500 hours worth of irl mafia/mafia related games together.
I don't think you've seen me in a forum format recently, and you've got to admit you're a bad influence there.

I played a game with Hopkirk as town and I remember him being vaguely serious.

For all your meme allowing citeh, why are you voting Charles for what's even more obvious a shitpost?

Is there something about Charles that makes this an obvious shitpost? It looked fake to me and I didn't get an answer earlier when asking why someone said it looked like something Charles would do.

[Doctor Hopson]

there will be 7 town and 2 mafia. any and all private topics will have daytalk. i will be able to smell all the players.

As far as I'm aware there's no possibility of Jesters or other third party win conditions in this setup. A couple of people mentioned that (DrDrew)

[Doctor Hopson]

-Hop above^

[Doctor Hopson]

Clemency feels like town that people want to buddy.
Tris and Citceh seem fine as a light read.
Espresso could be legitimate or could be positioning. Bears further reading/meta sometime.
Charles could be bad or people are taking advantage of him. Want to hear the meta reads the docs are basing their reads on.
Drew I could see as town. Want to look at their meta though.
Dolittle I dislike.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

I wish I had an ASSOCIATE who would PUT TOGETHER A READS LIST. That would BE USEFUL AND PRODUCTIVE but I'm sure they'd probably be at work right now and would have to do it LATER TODAY.

Anonymous is an ongoing offsite game so let's not reference that existing.
Author/Heroes I felt like if I was non serious then town just wouldn't scumhunt D1. People were still saying 'shall we lynch d1 or nah' in those games. Don't really need to play like that on MS. Also they were over a year ago and I ran meme mafia between then. In the old days I probably wouldn't meme as much, true. Who can say if I've been changed for the better because I knew you.

[Doctor Hopson]

-Hop

Had a look at Charles and I don't see a particularly jokey personality from his previous game. Want to hear more there since it was skirted over before.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Why would claiming to be mafia be a scumtell?

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Am I missing an obvious way it benefits mafia?

[Doctor Hopson]

Am I missing an obvious way it benefits mafia?

-Hop

How do you feel about the other comments I've made Charles? You seem to be focusing on very specific things for each player rather than a holistic take.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

We've got me, citceh, and drew in the townblock. Only one space left. You'd better act quickly if you want in clemency.

@scadd- would the modkilled player's action still apply?

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

I don't like DDL and Mastina hasn't really posted. That leaves you or Tris who I don't currently know how I feel about. Don't you want in?

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Reasonably likely I wouldn't kill there since then you can treat the game as a win instead of a wash afterwards. Definitely wouldn't overrule a partner who suggested no killing. Honour was first explication I thought of for lack of a kill.

@scadd- could the doc have changed their action target between it being publicly announced, and when they got modkilled?

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

I mean it's probably just DDL/Tris anyway.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

In what alignment indicative ways?

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

How are you reading Tris now DDL?

-hop

[Doctor Hopson]

I'll look at stuff either tommorow evening or Friday evening.

260 sounds odd.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

It felt odd since I can see it as a fake question/busywork. Doesn't sound like the kind of thing Mastina would lie about since it's pretty easily falsifiable. Anyone whose played with her, or anyone who read her games and saw something different would call her out on it. Not really sure what you get out of a response from Mastina that's going to affect a read in this game substantially? Correct me if (/how) I'm not understanding your motivation.

-hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Though as an afterthough, it seems like the kind of question that it's personality to ask rather than being alignment indicative.

-hop

[Doctor Hopson]

How come you scumread my first post memery but not Circeh's DDL?

Things I disliked about DDL
- The L1 on Tris and the way he announced it felt fake. Now I'm leaning towards it feeling fake in a way that implicates Tris.

- Not a fan of 97. The townread on Tris felt manufactured. The townreads feel political. The scumread on me felt like it was trying to nitpick a jokey entrance far too hard, and the only follow up was 100 which is a fairly lazy way to question your top scumread, that I'd partially responded to already, and that DDL didn't follow up on again.

- 98- I asked a lot what (he) meant by 'Charles is Charles' and never got an answer. Don't like how he was playing the Charles interaction, but the whole self hammer ruined this developing into anything substantial that I'd be confident to base a read on.

-127/254 (I hope this comes up every 127 posts): his meta on me doesn't feel sincere. I definitely can't remember how someone I've played with once played in a 6 month old game played and it feels odd how different he'd say it is in 127 when he hasn't read my scumgames, and being more jokey is a personality tell since I didn't used to do it as either alignment. The read in 127 that DDL is about seriousness, and that's something you could easily read any of my scumgames to disprove, which feels like he's trying to use the meta to fit/scumread rather than to develop a read.

I can see what he means in 254 since I'm less aggressive this game than there, but I think that's a one game read too (rather than looking to compare if I'm agressive in scumgames too) and influenced heavily by me being memey early on.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

My meta on you is sincere btw. You tone there is very different and doesnt match you town. And I provided specifics, in that you are more assertive that game and gave inciseful reads. Has anyone else had a chance to take a look?

I'm not saying I'm different to the towngame we played together. I'm saying you didn't look at my scumgames (also old mafia though) where I also play agressive/hyperserious.

Well everyone I have a townread on either is about to get a prod or due one. Looks like they feel the same way about the game that I do.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

I wonder if my doctorate got revoked because I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN QUITE A WHILE.

VOTE: DRDOLITTLE

-Hop obviously

[Doctor Hopson]

Apologies all, Watson here for my first post. It seems like I missed the entirety of D1.
First of all Charles selfvote and Expresso's modkill was unfortunate and killed the game slightly. Charles was a null read for me before their flip and Expresso was a solid townread for me before their flip.

Citceh is a strong townlean for me. I've played with both of them enough to understand their mindset and they haven't done anything so far out of place and they've been pushing forward discussion on day one.
Doctor Drew is a townlean with Charles flip on day one and does seem to be trying to figure out the game.
Clemency hasn't posted much so was a null read for me but now they are being replaced. Though getting replaced makes it a very slight null to townlean on them.

I think the game is solved now as assuming it's a scum duo in this set up. It's between mastina, tris, and DrDolittle. I'm leaning towards a drdolittle and tris duo with both voting for mastina.

Tuesday votes:

7:17PM - DrDolittle votes for Mastina
9:09PM - Tris votes Mastina
9:24PM - Mastina votes Tris
9:30PM - Mastina switches to DrDolittle

@Tris: Why do you like me?
@Mastina: Why do you gut townread/lean Clemency despite him not saying much?
@DrDolittle: In post 254, why did you reference that game in particular for reference, it feels selective just to justify your reads. Have you looked at any other games for reference?

P.S. When I looked at my own ISO, I was surprised to find 37 posts already in there...

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-W.

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[Doctor Hopson]

Huh, why do I have the feeling that scum decided to no-kill out of some honour code? Anyone know people here that are the type of players to do something like that?

Is that something you think you would do, Doctor Hopson? This is especially directed at your Doctor Watson head. I'll do some actual scumhunting later, for now though, everyone stay calm and embrace serenity.

-Hectic/Serena

I forgot to answer this. I would 100% decide to not kill. I would spend the night arguing my case against not killing because of the modkill if I had a partner. In the end it would depend who my partner is whether we would decide to kill or not to kill.

[Doctor Hopson]

I'm become very concerned at this moment that Citceh is mafia here.

@Doctor Watson: can you take a look at this for me.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

There's some stuff I'm concerned about in your iso. Want to discuss it with some people.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

@Citceh: Meta reasons. Hectic hasn't had a scum game for a while. I'd imagine as scum you would try to mimic your town play a lot more. At least that's how I would think you would play as scum. I like to profile people how they would think. There's not really much to go off on with the short D1 and modkill.

LvE's read list is similar how I read D1 before so I like her.

Dr Drew did defend Charles to a point so that is plus points. The day didn't last long enough to have more of a read. Hence all I have are leans at the moments.

Just a clarification Townleans =/= Townreads

@Hopkirk - Didn't noticed you were here.

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-W.

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[Doctor Hopson]

@Hopkirk: Is it Hectic or edguf, you're more wary of? Because I think edguf seems townie while Hectic is just being Hectic.

[Doctor Hopson]

Not sure if I said this @DDL so I'll repeat it: my issue with your meta was that you didn't check my scumgames AS WELL as my towngames since I'm well aware I'm not playing like either of them here and you've been framing it as 'Hop isn't playing by his towngame so likely scum' without taking the easy/obvious step to follow up on it. Smells of lazy scum/fake underdeveloped read with mala fide intent.

Concerned about Hectic here. Egduf hasn't posted much/she's not what pinged me.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

I can see Citceh/Drew here.
Sitting back and letting us fight it out so that one of us (Tris/DDL or Mastina/Hopson) gets lynched, then using that to lynch from the other group.
Not a fan of Hectic's reads progressions and Drew feels tactically lurking since d2 began.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

you rolled town that game but, as you even admit yourself, is completely different play

Honestly it's worse than no meta. My playstyle's definitely changed since then by design. Looking at only one alignment and thinking 'he's playing differently' will just mean you think I'm different in alignment to that game. That's not good since everyone is town a lot more than scum so picking a (effectively) random game is always more likely to make you think I'm more scummy as my style would be different. It's some kind of reverse causation bias that I'm not remembering the name for.

I'm interested in you looking at a scumgame of mine and seeing what you think. I've been indirectly asking this for about a week now and feeling worse about you with every day that passed without you taking initiative to do it, and now I'm asking you directly.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

I don't like Citceh/DDL interactions either.

@DDL: what's your read on Citceh? You've been disturbingly quiet on them.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

My last three scumgames. All slightly older than the one we played since I took a site break before and after that one due to irl stuff. I didn't get many scum games between my previous break and that break.

(Sort of a ‘traitor’, but my partner didn’t know) viewtopic.php?f=84&t=74725
(iirc I was very univested in this one) viewtopic.php?f=84&t=75146
(Scumgame. I’d decided before receiving an alignment to be hyper direct) viewtopic.php?f=84&t=74699&activity_overview=1

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=73585

This is slightly older and the scumgame before the last one there. Think it's more typical of how I used to play scum, and is pretty aggressive.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Hop's doing some fine work out there though so I'll continue to townlean the Doctor Hopson slot for now.

Get in here with some tagliatelle, Tris.
Stay calm everyone.

-Hectic/Serena

What changed my read is that when I start feeling concerned that I'm being buddied I like to reread.

I initially assumed the lack of activity from you today was for irl stuff from both slots. Didn't like the lack of stances you took in your catch up. You had a town on one part of Hopson and scummy on the other part, then asked a couple of questions. I don't feel like you took any stances there and scum-you in this scenario gets a lot out of not defusing the conflict where Mastina/Hopkirk and Tris/DDL are being considered as two scumteams. I don't think your reads are developing super naturally right now, it feels like you're delaying forming an opinion so that you can see how things play out.

You've been kind of soft defending me while leaving yourself open to voting me later. If you had a townread on my slot then I'm very surprised that you didn't comment at all on DDL's odd meta read on me. When you mentioned it you only addressed the 'memeing' part, and you don't really seem to have weighed in on with an opinion on my meta except 'memeing probably isn't AI' which isn't really what DDL is criticizing here.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

@351

The unannounced L1.
Any opinion on Drew.
The wagon.
The alleged meta the other doc referenced.
Charles disliking DDL (unclear how Drew read DDL).

What was the point of that question btw?

-H

what's your comments on any of these?

I'd already commented on this explicitly or implicitly as it was a summary of what I'd been looking at.
So did you not have a problem with Citceh not weighing in on those topics?

Saying 61 is trying to shift attention is pretty disingenuous. I talk about you/Tris and place my vote based on it. Citceh later mentions to you that as two people who know me, the second comment was a joke aimed at them as it's a comment I make fairly frequently so this shouldn't hold up as 'derailing'.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Will try to look at tommorow. Happy with where my vote is.

[Doctor Hopson]

-hop

[Doctor Hopson]

I see absolutely no reason why you wouldn't reveal the informed information.

Look at citceh and drew after ddl flips

Hey, I was just about to say the exact same thing.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Clemency feels like town that people want to buddy.
Tris and Citceh seem fine as a light read.
Espresso could be legitimate or could be positioning. Bears further reading/meta sometime.
Charles could be bad or people are taking advantage of him. Want to hear the meta reads the docs are basing their reads on.
Drew I could see as town. Want to look at their meta though.
Dolittle I dislike.

-Hop

This one too from hopson whaat changed ur read of drew from that post where u called him out for not doing anything? Aside from the weird tone change from lazy to lots of swearing

I could see him being legitimately confused with the gimmick.
Then I changed my mind again later because that's easy to fake, and on a reread I don't know why I thought that was towny since he doesn't seem sincere there.
Mostly forgot about the slot/didn't reread him until recently since I've been focused on DDL as scum.
Tris is likely town here. Reconsidered Tris as partner.

2 of DDL, Doctor Drew, Citceh. DDL most likely.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

No, that's an example of you being bad town.

Yeah, but you raised it as an example of people thinking I'm good as town thus my correction of that assessment.

I want mastina's explanation on her worldbuilding on #236 tho

My definition of worldbuilding is vastly different than yours given that my definition doesn't exist in mafia games except in the world of games where the moderator provides unique original flavor.

I claim informed

damp

tracker. I followed n1 hop but he didn't go anywhere.
the damp modifier allows me to track only when my vote is not on a town lynch or on a scum lynch.
The informed part I'll let out if everyone agrees on.

So everyone knows this is bullshit, right? This is 100% a scum fakeclaim.

The kind of bullshit fakeclaim where he literally goes 'btw if anyone counterclaims I'll reveal this secret information that will interact very conveniently with that counterclaim' - eg a condition or something about someone else's role would surely by the only thing that the informed

could

be about. You wouldn't get a third party in a nine player game as far as I'm aware? There's obvious two mafia. Secret mechanics don't happen.

Doesn't look like it fits well with a regular doctor either.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Drew or Tris.
Circeh less likely.
Mastina and MLB just no.

Drew/Tris should be claiming here?

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Tris>Drew>anyone else.
Seems reasonable.

-hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Game feels solved. Lynch Tris and Doc. Not super concerned about which order we do it in.

VOTE: Drew

[Doctor Hopson]

Game feels solved. Lynch Tris and Doc. Not super concerned about which order we do it in.

VOTE: Drew

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Isn't the game solved already? Tris and Drew. Only way this isn't solved is if it's 3 mafia who can't kill- in which case the modkill effectively invalidated the game.

VOTE: Tris

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

I've played a lot with Hectic (as in hundreds of hours). I've discussed this with Watson who has done the same. I have a solid meta tell (though haven't shared this with Watson). We're both independently over 90% sure it can't be Hectic. I'm as convinced it's not Citceh as I am that it's not MLB even with the push he made.

VOTE: Dr Drew

I think it's Tris. I'm sure it's either Tris or Drew.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

This is something Hectic would NEVER do as mafia, but I don't want to tell him what it is.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

This is related to in game content/actions. The 5-10% is hydra influence potentially affecting it. Otherwise I'm certain.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

This is related to in game content/actions. The 5-10% is hydra influence potentially affecting it. Otherwise I'm certain.

-Hop

But a majority of this tell is meta?

Enough of it that I'd townread the slot on meta- but I scumread it the least of the three options since you/Tris have much worse interactions with DDL.

I still think Tris is more likely. You and Citceh could have just taken a stance on the whole Tris/DDL vs Hopson/Mastina.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

@DRDoLittle:

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on Mastina's 318. Why is she wrong?

-Hecterena

Let's talk this, actually. This is mastina's critique:

[DrDo's Post 97 is] Pure scum posting. It is the type of post that I enter the game when I'm scum making: a big post to try and be logical and establish strong stances which generate townreads, but all of it is forced. It is 100% entirely a scumpost. It's what made me go from thinking he's scum vaguely to "oh yeah this guy's lockscum".

It's sounds reasonable, until you thinka bout closely: hey being logical and trying to take stances is what town does. The only thing in there that accusatory is that it is "forced". That becomes a subjective statement then you need to go back and look at - is it forced? I argue a bit that it comes from that I may post awkwardly at first, and then she responds

Yup, sure is!
The problem is your townplay isn't. You think it is, but it actually isn't.

But it's nonsense, and I reiterate this in 324

but this is my townplay?
on one hand i appreciate you liking my town play. but on the other im not sure you have seen my town play and your read on me this game seems pretty clear evidence of that.

So either she's using a very subjective accusation on me and framing it as objective, and then supporting it by lying and misreping my meta - anyone who's played with me knows I get rang up in every game pretty early on - both of these makes me fairly certain that mastina will give a scum flip.

Of the three he only ever tries to win Citceh to his side.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

I'm impressed, only half the game needs prods this time.
Drew doesn't strike me as someone putting much effort in avoiding the lynch here.
If this fails, we get killed, and people don't locktown Citceh based on my read then I'm going to be angry with you postgame.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

What if we hammer right after people post. Then if it goes to night the mafia probably don't even log on in time to kill anyone.

Feel free to hammer @Citceh. You get ever more towncred if you do. You'd be so town that we could start posting with the Hoptic account. That's how much towncred you'd get. Plus I want this game to finish and it probably finishes when you hammer.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

That sounds stupid.
I basically have no internet here.

We're cop. Mastina please roleclaim right now. In the absence of anything weird, Mastina is scum.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Yeah that rule isn't in the first page rules and isn't standard. There's no way the day ends here.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Like if the day ends here then we could lose due to an unannounced rule. The rules say majority decides a lynch. Since we can change our votes whenever we what you would absolutely need a rule saying that two votes on NL means that it immediately ends the day and you can't change your vote. It's only a majority if you can't change your vote which is 100% not mentioned as a rule.

There's absolutely a difference to what we'd say here depending on whether the thread is about to be locked or not.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Refusing to claim here is objectively bad. Unless you think I'm town fakeclaiming cop then there's no reason not to claim since I'd be confirmed bad to you.

We had an innocent on clemency/MLB n1.

Innocent on Citceh n2 which we wanted to strongly imply without claiming yesterday.

Last night we got an innocent on Tris or a guilty on Mastina. If we want to massclaim (@tris/MLB) then we're happy to reveal everything first. If we're not massclaiming then we'll reveal tomorrow.

Is scadd known for really weird setups? We do want to review old games he's hosted just in case.

[Doctor Hopson]

We still want to no lynch obviously. It's much better for us to check everyone just in case of those fringe 'weord/troll setup' and I don't see a downside.

[Doctor Hopson]

We may not have any reliable results.

[Doctor Hopson]

We are a rolecop with a negative modifier that can give us no result under X conditions (which we haven't got as a result).

We've checked Citceh and everyone except Mastina who's still.alive as VT. That's why we insisted yesterday was a win since we townread Mastina.

I don't think you'd put a rolecop in with two vanilla mafia. Then it's just mod speculation. Any setups like that by the mod?

-hop

[Doctor Hopson]

(redacted) rolecop

Investigate to get role. VT/goon both come up as vanilla. If (redacted) my action will fail. (I'm assuming this is no result but I'll ask just in case it's really badly worded)

All results = vanilla, only names differed in wording.

I'm assuming false results of any kind are bastard/wouldn't be allowed in a micro unannounced.

[Doctor Hopson]

Considering reasons for no kill

Mafia has a condition like redacted. Only Mastina would be mafia.
Mafia can kill or do something to block my action instead. Only tris would be clear.
Something to do with voting- doesn't appear possible, would be Mastina unless something else applied.
Limited shots- feels broken.

-both by hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Is that the intent?

I claim informed

damp

tracker. I followed n1 hop but he didn't go anywhere.

the damp modifier allows me to track only when my vote is not on a town lynch or on a scum lynch.

The informed part I'll let out if everyone agrees on.

This strong implies to us there is a mafia pr, not two goons. Also looks like mafia do have a fail condition on their kill.

-hop

[Doctor Hopson]

There was no kill.
The scumfakeclaim had a condition where their action may fail, and it was due to a wet/dry etc modifier.
Our role has a condition that may make our action fail due to a w/d mod.

It seems more likely that something made their kill fail than that they ignored submitting it twice. Although the second time could have been to keep even numbers and the first for honour.

-hop

[Doctor Hopson]

Second one should read 'mafia can no kill' as you're the only person we checked on a night without kills. Unlikely scenario.

-hop

For the first, it could be something to do with who targets who during the night. For the scenarios I've gone through, most people are out.

[Doctor Hopson]

If I scumread Mastina before the night action, then I’d be no lynching or lynching her now. I didn’t.

Ok so let’s think of as many explanations as possible for the lack of kills.

1.) Scum can’t kill during the first two nights

DrDolittle (4): mastina, Doctor Hopson, Mislynch Bait, tris
Not followed by a kill (with DDL alive)
Doctor Drew (4): mastina, Doctor Hopson, tris, Mislynch Bait
Followed by a kill

2.) (per above, no kills when all living scum not voting someone) Scum can only kill if they’re all voting the lynch candidate
3.) Scum are informed in some way and wanted to keep it at even numbers for daystart d2. Either couldn’t or just didn’t kill n1.
4.) Limited kills throughout game.
5.) A certain restriction like the one DDL claimed is restricting kills based on actions (likely mine) used eg only kills if targeted/not targeted.
6.) Something interferes with checks in exchange for no kills? (is this bastard/allowed?)
That’s all that immediately springs to mind. Considering the ‘watch the votes’ phrase then 2 could be viable. Would want to avoid Tris or Mastina voting no lynch if possible so run down the day timer intentionally without voting or doing anything?
Want to think of more explanations for ‘watch the votes’ as we’ve seen nothing vote related EXCEPT DDL’S FAKE ROLECLAIM.

my informed information is that there's an additional wetness modifier roles in game. it's not for the sake of cc-ing...

I claim informed damp tracker. I followed n1 hop but he didn't go anywhere.

the damp modifier allows me to track only when my vote is not on a town lynch or on a scum lynch.

Weird wording instead of ‘not on a lynch’ allows action to go through if voting TP/no lynch/not voting.

Any instances of bolded stuff not being important at all?

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

We have a condition that can affect our action with a fair resemblance to that.
We have a similar name to damp (related to wet/dry etc).
Doesn't look made up from nothing based on that. They have a role, or they have info.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

That's what we do, but there's a 1% chance running down the day is actually better.

@Mod: happy to end the day early in the same way as ending night early. This is not a no lynch vote.

Also I can confirm we get 'no result' if the 'effect' makes our action fail.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

@Everyone: is there cases in schadd games of things like 'watch the votes' being relevant if bolded?

I'm probably just going to stop signing posts since Watson hasn't posted in like a month.

[Doctor Hopson]

Basically intent to run down the day without saying/doing anything else so the same as sending a message in the night 'happy to speed up the night' but for day instead.
Avoiding voting no lynch since I don't want anyone to be

on

no lynch.

-Hop

[Doctor Hopson]

can you unvote then tris?

[Doctor Hopson]

Deadline with no lynch. We did it whoo.

[Doctor Hopson]

No result on Mastina.

Fullclaim: town 'wet' rolecop. The condition I mentioned before is that if someone else targets my investigatee I get no result.

[Doctor Hopson]

Joke claimed cop twice within the first hundred posts btw

[Doctor Hopson]

Busy week at work, but I got my medical degree back which is nice

I'll probably vote sometime tonight because turns out I'm probably not going to read much more no matter how long the day lasts.

Any thoughts on why Citceh died? I'm thinking scum believed my cop check there was a strong meta read instead of a medium meta read plus a cop check.

Still feel like watch the votes probably meant something.

-hop