Which is why I'm trying to get you 2 to actually talk about CJ and EP before I get half a mind to lynch you and pine back to back and just play the lottery with them.In post 697, chkflip wrote:"We can just lynch EVERYBODY" also isn't a town mindset because, no, we can't. We eventually get to lylo and lose because the only other strong voice was lynched several phases back.
Then your actions D2 don't make sense. And frankly, if you were Town here, you'd either be pushing me as scum or someone else. Not trying to reason with me.
In post 710, chkflip wrote:Apologies, I was replying to 691 with ceejay as least likely recruit. I admittedly forgot that you refined the question two posts later to which was most likely recruited between the two of CJ/EP.
Chen's idea? *If* that isn't Pine because they thought I'd be more frothy after D1 where he was so very against my train of thought, it's pretty obvious where Chen's head was.In post 642, Doctor Drew wrote:Thought about it Day 1.......went with Chenns idea on who to recruit though......In post 640, Pine wrote:Why didn’t you recruit me?In post 639, Doctor Drew wrote:Elsa.....to answer your question.
I am not a doctor, only play one on the internet.
And please, let's ask more questions of me. GTKACL.....GO!
Elsa, EP, and maybe Chemist.In post 250, Light and L wrote:i would say elsa and EP, and maybe chemist, are the dominoes. if you're a domino your job is to be cooperative and make it easy for you to be townbinned, and play with the goal of figuring out how scum is trying to manipulate the topping of the dominoes (aka - how they're trying to manipulate your interactions.)
In post 531, Doctor Drew wrote:This really is a wifomy post if you go look back at the posts leading up to it.In post 526, Chemist1422 wrote:I don’t think EP is the cult leader just because of this postIn post 250, Light and L wrote:i would say elsa and EP, and maybe chemist, are the dominoes. if you're a domino your job is to be cooperative and make it easy for you to be townbinned, and play with the goal of figuring out how scum is trying to manipulate the topping of the dominoes (aka - how they're trying to manipulate your interactions.)
I don’t think chennis puts that much focus on their leader
And judging by how the hydra fell apart(gamma being forced to replace out), and then the hydra train picked up steam I could see them making this as, you guessed it, wifom fodder.
Look at their posts when there were very close to being lynched, basically gave up......and didn't even bother with a fake claim. They knew what they were doing.
Essentially, don't discount the dominoes(lol).
MMMMMIn post 534, EspressoPatronum wrote:@Drew I'm not sure how valuable the EJ/EP/Chemist domino theory is here. Assuming chenn was genuine in his domino theory belief and not trying to sow confusion, I'd say the dominoes this game are Karnage, EJ, Pine, and possibly me (per Chk's post above).
It's slot DID also call out Drew as scum day 1 but didn't push him day 2, I think... Maybe that's the hint?In post 718, chkflip wrote:VOTE: EspressoPatronum
I believe this slot is more likely to be the N1 recruit than Pine.
In post 167, EspressoPatronum wrote:VOTE: Dr Drew
He's blending in too well. His ISO has 0 substance.
Cult leader - calling it now.
In post 179, EspressoPatronum wrote:He hasn't taken any conflicting stances or offered anything to the discussion that isn't agreement to consensus or placing a townread.In post 178, ceejayvinoya wrote:Sooo how about his post 164? Does it not have substance? I sort of liked that post.In post 167, EspressoPatronum wrote:VOTE: Dr Drew
He's blending in too well. His ISO has 0 substance.
Cult leader - calling it now.
That sounds like someone who is trying to blend in and appease people.
In post 184, EspressoPatronum wrote:It can beIn post 180, chkflip wrote:Is coasting a scum tell these days?
It's an issue that you'reIn post 181, Doctor Drew wrote:Espresso, firstly I tend to get town reads quicker the scum reads. Secondly, why is it an issue that I am in agreement with some people?onlyin agreement with people.
If you were forced to categorize everyone into town or scum right now, what would the list look like?And there hasn't been much real content here, Elsa claiming UT and setup talk.
Sorry, but I am a more reactive player.
Scum can sometimes blend in. We can help root them out by forcing ppl to take and defend stances.
In post 191, EspressoPatronum wrote:Agreement itself is fine. As stated to Drew earlier, having no stances other than appeasement is an issue.
In post 211, EspressoPatronum wrote:If you're scum, I've already called out your attempt at not taking controversial stances. Since I don't want scum!you to get away with this, I want to force you to take controversial stances. Giving early reads will generate controversial stances.In post 206, Doctor Drew wrote:Espresso, as someone said.....why do you want forced reads? I almost feel like they could be manipulated sometime down the road. When i develop reads one way or another I will give them.
Also to elaborate on my elsa read, not saying he is necessarily town, but is most likely not cult leader. I could definitely see a scenario where he is the other cult member.
Town should be happy to do so, as town has no reason to hide their reads. You're evidently against providing your reads, which is another red flag for me.
In post 218, EspressoPatronum wrote:I want you to.provide scumreads. They're necessarily controversial because people don't like being scumread. Give me literally any two scumreads and your reasons for them.In post 214, Doctor Drew wrote:I am not hiding reads.In post 211, EspressoPatronum wrote:If you're scum, I've already called out your attempt at not taking controversial stances. Since I don't want scum!you to get away with this, I want to force you to take controversial stances. Giving early reads will generate controversial stances.In post 206, Doctor Drew wrote:Espresso, as someone said.....why do you want forced reads? I almost feel like they could be manipulated sometime down the road. When i develop reads one way or another I will give them.
Also to elaborate on my elsa read, not saying he is necessarily town, but is most likely not cult leader. I could definitely see a scenario where he is the other cult member.
Town should be happy to do so, as town has no reason to hide their reads. You're evidently against providing your reads, which is another red flag for me.
You are saying you want me to take 'controversial stances'..... you are making me basically make up some reads, how does that help town?
When I have a read I give it, like I have already done. If you want a scum read from me keep asking for town to make up reads and then pretty sure I got at least one.
That's all I'm asking + you're making a huge deal about it. I'll do it in my next post to show you how easy it is!
In post 219, EspressoPatronum wrote:@Drew - recall the parameters I requested of you: No null reads, sort everyone.
Town
Chemist - I was initially wary about potential lurkiness, but he's really stepped up to my request. I find myself agreeing with most of his reads. He's proactively giving information instead of reactively waiting to be prodded.
Elsa Jay - I don't like that he revealed as UT, but he has a respectable stance as to why he did it + it seemed town motivated. He has also been very active.
Townlean
Gameplay - on memory alone, none of gameplay's posts stand out. I recall gameplay helping us out Elsa though, so that's worthwhile and shows town initiative to solve.
Chkflip - probably my weakest townread. Chk seems to be involved in discussion and questions though, so I'm happy with a weak townlean for now.
Scumlean
Ceejayvinoya - nothing really standout from ceejay. Not a lot of activity due to the late start. I recall ceejay's entrance being kinda meh, but I can't remember any of the posts off the top of my head.
Light and L - haven't seen much from Gamma, but I'm not liking chenn's content. Chenn started coming after me once I voted Drew. He was also twisting my words into conclusions that I did not make.
Pine - Pine has been a bit lurky this game. He did the same thing in Ruby Mafia. He did give us warning that he was busy with work in that game, but I don't think it detracts from his willingness to lurk as scum.
Scum
Doctor Drew - before I started prodding him, all of his posts looked like attempts to blend in. After prodding him, he's been extremely reluctant to provide reads, citing his reactive playstyle as the reason.
That is correct, Elsa.In post 438, EspressoPatronum wrote:He also hard defended Chenn.In post 437, Karnage wrote:lets say YOU are the cult leaderIn post 436, Pine wrote:Are you kidding me? It was never a serious claim. It said so right in the claim.
I may be over-remembering Elsa making the gambit explicit, but I just looked at his ISO and it’s implied multiple places, which I will quote when I’m at a computer rather than phone.
Further, Cult Leader Elsa has a rolecop partner, which means he KNOWS we’re in column B, and therefore never puts himself in this position.
Use your fucking heads, people.
YOU would know we were in column B because you would have known about your rolecop partner. YOU would also know that it was never a serious claim without Elsa having to imply anything.
VOTE: Pine
