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[bob3141]

oo 21 players now this is something new. Never been a game with over 15 players before. A stark difference from the days of playig mafia in warring factions side forum for forum games

[bob3141]

was a struggle at times to get a game with 10 players of which 2-4 would be turbo lurkers. Think a game with so low activity that it could have its days extended to a hoel month

[bob3141]

Dont think there is term in wiki for what they were like.

[bob3141]

Who claimed survivor.

[bob3141]

I'm starting to realise my game play is heavily influenced by my mood.

this happens to me too. it is an emotional game tbh

so what mood are you in now then

Im in the mood to vote some up.

VOTE: Eve

[bob3141]

VOTE: Judge Joseph Dread

So what is your reason for voting him.

[bob3141]

Just started reading the last two days. So picked one of the shorter ISO to start reading the thread. With me choosign rooster as I had played a game with him where he was scum.

I do remember in that game he did make a fair few naked votes.

[bob3141]

Doesn't large balance do with either prs or more scum?
I'm not talking about lousy things like godfather or rolecop though.

Are we talking about setup now?
I was thinking something like 4 mafs - 2 or 3 power roles maybe rolecop and roleblocker maybe an x shot strongman, an SK or other anti-town third party, 3 -5 town power roles based on strength - 1 or 2 investigative roles (watcher and tracker would be a fun combo) maybe a protective role like doc or bg, possibly 2 or 3 masons. With 3 though, I'd expect one to be mafia for funness.
So maybe something like:
1/2 invest, 1 protective, 1/2 utility - Town
1 invest, 1/2 utility - Mafia
Third party - maybe bulletproof of some description

im not liking the fact your speculating on the set up this early.

There is is also just something ping me about your voting and your posting. Cant put my finger on it right now but im getting a feeling your scum.

For now

VOTE: elementis

Im hoping for a third game were my initial impressions turn out to be right

[bob3141]

I always find early speculation helps scum. Felt to me like scum trying to see if they can get any pings for town power roles.


Of matter of question why did you choose 4 scum. You didn't spend any time deliberating how many scum just on possible scum and town roles.

[bob3141]

I'm guessing that there's only so much we can talk about day 1, even though for a large game 32 pages isn't much.

I expected us to lynch someone soon but either scums playing real good or the lynchbait is laying low.

Wanna predict the nightkill? Do you think scum will be cautious of jjd's whatever-the-fuck-cop-claim? Or will they realize it's a joke? Or is it?

That would be a very bad thing to do. We dont want to rush into lynch after only 3 days into the game. We have 4 players with less than 4 posts and one of those is VLA for few more days. And few more like myself that have only realy just got into the game. How can we get reliable vertict of the outcome of day one with not enough of the total players having there hand on that outcome

[bob3141]

I don't think scum speculates out loud when they have a day chat active to talk into. That's probably going to change eventually.

There is difference between scum speculating on the setup and scum using that speculation to actively hunt any pr. They could do prior in their private thread but the later would need them to engage with us. Why I think it could be an attempt to ascertain any town pr. Aswell any potential fake claims they could make.

[bob3141]

Judges recent posts are making me like that slot more. I think I've already said I like tchill's slot. I'm not sure why YAzg keeps voting my townreads, but it's definitely making me more skeptical of her slot.

My gut is telling me that this is simply you trying to back track on a push. While also using it to stear towards another. Makes me your scum thinking after Judges claims it would be to risky to push there. With you instead hoping to stear instead to another player that has been pushing him. All the while making a point of no longer scum reading him. So what made you like his slot more, that would of been the case before?

I just dont get why the first part was even posted. And on the later half care to tell us why YAzg pushes on those players you townread makes you as you put it skeptical of her slot. So why a scum leaning over a leaning toward town making misguided pushes. And what in the posts makes you feel its not genuine scum hunting


Your the other player that has pinged me so far. There is just this uneasy feeling im getting on your slot.

[bob3141]

im starting to realise just how much i relay on vc count hyperlinks to navigate the thread

[bob3141]

I'm guessing that there's only so much we can talk about day 1, even though for a large game 32 pages isn't much.

I expected us to lynch someone soon but either scums playing real good or the lynchbait is laying low.

Wanna predict the nightkill? Do you think scum will be cautious of jjd's whatever-the-fuck-cop-claim? Or will they realize it's a joke? Or is it?

That would be a very bad thing to do. We dont want to rush into lynch after only 3 days into the game. We have 4 players with less than 4 posts and one of those is VLA for few more days. And few more like myself that have only realy just got into the game. How can we get reliable vertict of the outcome of day one with not enough of the total players having there hand on that outcome

It's only been 3 days?? Feels like forever....

Yep game only started on the 6th so day one is still in its early stages. First post was made in teh thread at 1pm GMT on the 6th. So its only just goen 3 days and 10 hours

[bob3141]

Because it is kinda weird that he used watcher/tracker combo as the investigative options when there's potential for others like cop or hider. Kinda like it's tmi.

Watcher/tracker is like an opposite duo. Can you think of another?

Why would there be a duo investigative role like tracker/watcher none of the roles have been revealed?

it was an example of two investigative roles. I picked those two because they fit together. It was only to illustrate the point there might be 2 investigative roles.

Things like this just makes me think your just scum hoping to catch any investigative role out. With you trying to guage how players will respond to it. To see if anyone gives of any PR tells in regards to how they interect with it.


As i just cant see the benifit for a town player to be discussing such things. As it doesnt realy help town at this stage and gives me the fleeing this discussion you tried to start was just there to bulk the actual content of your posting. So you appear to be engaging more than you actualy are (Rather than just post count).

AS although yu have 90-100 post there just doesnt feel like that much meat in them

[bob3141]

My roster vote is based on change in character compared to previous town games.
I don't think a lynch there is productive, certainly not this early. Having a wagon there serves another purpose though.

Pedit: yeah Kop is a little iffy so far too.

You say its based on change of character. How is it you can tell his character when he has only made 4 posts. Feels like bit of overjustification in your reasoning. So to me it appears your trying hard to appear to have reason for the vote

[bob3141]

I'd settle for the VC being actual counts and not just place holders.

At the moment im having compile my own

[bob3141]

Gone through it all

only wagon so far over 2 votes

Rooster - Elementes701 , Gamma 742 , Kop 829 , Davesaz 836 , Profii 866

[bob3141]

I think Carcalilly looks town for that burst.
I don't necessarily agree with the conclusions, but it's certainly worth an independent look.

Pedit: and a couple more come in, that's some turbo fast posting.

I had the same question about EeveeLution reads tbh.

So what in particular makes you think that burst of posts come from town. Its a bit of hollow statement after all.

[bob3141]

I think Carcalilly looks town for that burst.
I don't necessarily agree with the conclusions, but it's certainly worth an independent look.

Pedit: and a couple more come in, that's some turbo fast posting.

I had the same question about EeveeLution reads tbh.

Same goes for you. Just look likes your paratoting what other just said before to try and fit in. With only a tiny bit tacked on.

What about his conclusions dont you agree with.

[bob3141]

VOTE: Roster

Kop have you got any original reads otehr than a naked vote on rooster.


You other comments do appear to just copy what others had already said in the thread. Give us your original take on several players and not just the players that simply havent posted

[bob3141]

bob, who's your current vote on and would you be willing to join us on roster?

I think the rooster wagon is just a bad wagon. Cant see any justification for it even gettign to 3 votes let alone 5. Or how you tried to push it 6.

[bob3141]

VOTE: Roster

I see your voting rooster. Yet at no point so far have you scum hunted at all. Nor mentioned anyoen your town readign on the flip side. Just a few posts reacting to others set up speculation.

You have not mentioned any scum reads. Or attempted to question someone to get a scum read. Yet you are voting on the rather lazy rooster wagon. You never stated the specific reaso your voted him up. Even if other have called out his no posting. But why vote him over sharon and skellen. Who have posted just as little.

The only reason i can think of is that you jumped on the first wagon you saw. I could understand having a vote siting on rooster if you were atleast doing some scum hunting else where. But your not.


VOTE: Kop

[bob3141]

There's at least 2 opportunistic scum on my wagon btw. And @jjd no I'm not going to iso myself. In fact I already said I was waiting a bit to scumhunt. Why would I go look to my iso to suggest I've been doing it?

So what makes you think scum is on your wagon. Is it that there voting for you or did you already scum read those players.


If you think two scum are on your wagon, who are they and why?

[bob3141]

I liked Hopkirk today. He's right that my slot's been terrible. I didn't really have much to go on today. Carca's probably right that I'm asking weird questions, I am sort of lost in this game. The only wagon that existed was roster, and I wasn't that into that one, but this one feels better, not a huge fan of Cliff's slot, and I'm liking the people on this wagon so far.

VOTE: Cliff

So what makes you not like his slot. Dont think you mentioned him before this game.

Are you just voting for cliff because of who was already voting for him. If so why? What about there cases did you agree with.

[bob3141]

I liked Hopkirk today. He's right that my slot's been terrible. I didn't really have much to go on today. Carca's probably right that I'm asking weird questions, I am sort of lost in this game. The only wagon that existed was roster, and I wasn't that into that one, but this one feels better, not a huge fan of Cliff's slot, and I'm liking the people on this wagon so far.

VOTE: Cliff

I don't like this vote, and also the explanation isn't up to the vote either. I just feel that it is a clean sheep vote because he likes the people that are on the wagon, I understand following your town reads, but there could be a possibility that there could be scum on the wagon that he is town reading. Or the other possibility is that Billy is scum and can have that confidence in the people on the wagon are town because he would know for sure they are town. He didn't like the Rooster wagon, but he would know that it would look bad for sheeping onto that wagon because of the manner and way the votes went.

He also states that he is not a fan of the Cliff slot, but hasn't really divulged into why he doesn't like that slot, or also interact with Cliff to debate with him to why he doesn't specifically like that slot.

VOTE: Billy

So if you dont think it was a townie thing to sheep teh rooster wagon. Why did you also sheep it?

[bob3141]

Elements, have you directly explained your actual reason for self voting?

I've said I wanted a wagon many times. That's about it.
I wanted a wagon so I tried to shake the game up a bit by self voting. If that resulted in a wagon on me, great, then we have a wagon.

What help do you think your selfvoting would acheive. After all to yourself if you were town you would see your self as confirmed town. So a self vote would be hardly worthwhile

[bob3141]

So how did you think your self vote would achieve those aims

[bob3141]

elements dont you have a view on voting for rick.

[bob3141]

Has it realy been a week since the last vote count

[bob3141]

Since were lacking any recent vote counts here is unofficial one

Rick- AaronFrost 1465
Cliff 5 - Bill 1092 , carc 1097, Hectic 1142 gamma 1623, elemnts 1671
Kop- bob 1022
Element 6 - cliff 1086, titus 1168 Hopkirk 1401 , sharon 1329, rick 1479 garmr 1674
dave - eve 745
Kop- billy 1353
Hectic profili 1328
Jude - rooster
Tchill - Youare 705

No vote - dave, Judge, tchill

[bob3141]

I was leaning toward elementis being town before his roleclaim. Due to his responses to my questions. So i am won't be voting tehre today

[bob3141]

VOTE: elements

highest wagon.

what up gobble. I cant believe this game is asking for an extension lol.

Highest wagon maybe but is it teh best wagon

Looks to me you just want a lynch for teh sake of a lynch

[bob3141]

Tchill why vote elementis then and not cliff who is only a few votes behind. Esp considering you weere voting cliff before you unvoted

Why ask other players who you shoudl vote for? why offer to sheep? Looks to me like your tryign to avoid responsibility

You knew elemtes was lead wagon so you must have know about his watcher claim. How did you think lynching him would be best day 1

VOTE: Thcill

[bob3141]

Very much a gamble


VOTE: elements

Gain why do you want to lynch a possible watcher

[bob3141]

VOTE: Elements

Going with Ricky on this one.

And you back voting for a claimed PR. Do you think the risk him actualy being a watcher is worth it. When your just sheeping other players

[bob3141]

One thing is for sure elementis shouldnt be todays lynch.

Its fair to discusss if he is lying or not. But lynchign him today doesnt help the town.

[bob3141]

Actually, question. You're just a watcher? No role modifiers?

There are modifications. I'm the town macho watcher and it turns out it might be a one shot ability so that's fun :/

So are you saying you are one shot

[bob3141]

I agree that does look bad. If he was a town macho watcher he wouldn't have even mentioned. Macho info would only help scum

[bob3141]

VOTE: Elementis

Dont beleive teh macho and one shot thing. Why even tell us?

[bob3141]

Elementis if you are town always check the wiki. Thats teh first thing i would expect any player to do. Just looks liek your trying row back

[bob3141]

I am not a fan of Bob. He initially voted for Elements for reasons 'setup spec'ing very early' etc

He then left the wagon, but came back when the lynch actually went through and when he put his vote on he said he didn't believe the macho/one shot claim.

My concern is that if I am casing a slot for being scummy I'd be like "woah guys I'm voting elements because he was setup speccing over in this post, plus now look at this macho claim it's gotta be BS" - i.e. case the whole ISO for a scum evidence - Bob didnt mention his initial setup spec concern when he votes due to his claim concern, which makes me believe he is looking for a reason to be on the wagon rather than actual scum hunting properly.

VOTE: Bob3141

Obviously I will hear him out but I'm just going to vote there for now.

I've looked at Tchill's ISO and someone is going to have to take me through the case here, he doesn't come across super town of the players I've looked at so far but I dont think he is the most scummy either at this point unless I've missed something of course.

That seems pretty reachy to me. Are you going to pick out everyone that voted for elements early in day one. By the time elementis made his watcher claim i was already sorting him as town. With me even calling out those who continued to push him.

Wasn't with till after his one shot macho watcher claim plus himself voting that made me reluctantly vote for him.

Straight watcher i believed. Macho watcher could be possible role but no townie should have mentioned the macho bit. Added to all that self voting. It just looked bad for town

Oneshot talk tipped me over the edge when it came to voting for him. I cant see why he mentioned that as he flipped just a macho watcher. I wonder if he was responding to once

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I find it odd you overlook my scum hunting aswell. Did you not think kop has been scummy this game. Has he not done anything in your opinion to justify my vote on him before the wtacher saga. For you to think that doesnt even count as scum hunting.

He has yet to answer any of my points i think

[bob3141]

going to go through the voting history. will do that this weekend as i will need to make my own vote counts of day one to analysis.

but first thing that stands out from lil vc is this

roosterfoster (5): Elements, Gamma Emerald, Kop, davesaz, profii

roosterfoster (5): x, x, Kop, davesaz, profii

Now we might have 8 players more but we also have more scum.

Im fleeing its very likely one of kop, dave and profi is scum.

doubt its dave and with me feelign strongest about kop

[bob3141]

regardless of rooster would flip as I cant see atleast one avoid such a wagon.

Last game of scum and town wagons any over 5 alwasy had on scum on it. apart from one

[bob3141]

And rooster looked like a rather lazy bandwagon. As his lack of posting wasnt evidance that could be used for him being scum. As if anyone checked his games they could tell he doesnt lurk as scum.

Naked votes yes but not lurking.

And if a player isnt posting he clearly aint playing

[bob3141]

garmr what was your reasoning behind targeting carc?

What were you hoping to find

[bob3141]

And rooster looked like a rather lazy bandwagon. As his lack of posting wasnt evidance that could be used for him being scum. As if anyone checked his games they could tell he doesnt lurk as scum.

Naked votes yes but not lurking.

And if a player isnt posting he clearly aint playing

This logic only works if you assume he subbed out without any legit reason. Did you check whether he's super disengaged/subs out as town? Doesn't hold up and I don't see why you TR the slot.

I checked some of his other games where he was town. All of them had him more posting more. So if he was scum or town I would have expected him to post more than he did. In the scum game he started with a lot of shallow post like his first 4 but in that same game he had about 10 posts a day.



My logic is very much independant of rooster actual flip. Will have to get the details of the wagon throughout day one. As my analysis very much depends on the interplay. But generally i'm getting fishy feeling about the rooster wagon.

Rooster slot could still be scum. But I find in given pool size whether the pool is on scum or town. You always find at least one scum ¾ of the time.

[bob3141]

now on the highest wagon of the day

cliff wagon day one 8 votes. Elements, Hopkirk, Gamma Emerald, Billy Pilgrim, Carcalilly, Hectic, tchill13

x, Hopkirk, x, Billy Pilgrim, x, Hectic, tchill13 <minus dead and carc the claimed mason

The nature of wagon depends on if cliff is town or scum

If cliff ever flips town

highly likely one of hop, Billy, Hectic and tchill is scum.

With the possibility remaining if clifff is scum. Though that then more depends if any of those votes look fishy

[bob3141]

tommorrow im going to make my self with post tracking teh votes through out day one. Mostly for my own use so i can use post links to analysis it like last game

[bob3141]

The rooster thing is more food for thought than anything else. Something to watched incase it becomes actionable.

I look at things the other way around. I look at wagons then see how players interacted with them. As every wagon is likely to have both scum and town on them. But seeing how they all bounce around i find is more telling.

Its my form of analysis. Every time ive used it it always flags up scum everytime. Always cuts under the fluff, though its not exactly quick. Finds scum even when there vote at first appearance would look townie

[bob3141]

going to make one in sec

[bob3141]

Unofficial vote count


Hopkirk (1) - Aaron 2214
Bob (2) Profii 2054 , Alonzo 2067
Tchil (5) gobble 2028 , Hopkirk 2035 , Cliff 2093 , Billy 2264 , Titus 2355
Texcat (1) Garmr 2329
Cliff (1) Tchill 2151
Garmr (1) tex 2285


No vote - carc , Dave, eve, judge, kop, rick 2136

[bob3141]

Do you mean in this game game or prior games.

I havent made the vote counts needed to track the votes yet. As it needs atleast one day. So i will have to go threw the thread and collect teh data

[bob3141]

I am not a fan of Bob. He initially voted for Elements for reasons 'setup spec'ing very early' etc

He then left the wagon, but came back when the lynch actually went through and when he put his vote on he said he didn't believe the macho/one shot claim.

My concern is that if I am casing a slot for being scummy I'd be like "woah guys I'm voting elements because he was setup speccing over in this post, plus now look at this macho claim it's gotta be BS" - i.e. case the whole ISO for a scum evidence - Bob didnt mention his initial setup spec concern when he votes due to his claim concern, which makes me believe he is looking for a reason to be on the wagon rather than actual scum hunting properly.

VOTE: Bob3141

Obviously I will hear him out but I'm just going to vote there for now.

I've looked at Tchill's ISO and someone is going to have to take me through the case here, he doesn't come across super town of the players I've looked at so far but I dont think he is the most scummy either at this point unless I've missed something of course.

So you wanted a lynch to go through but didnt care who?

That seems pretty reachy to me. Are you going to pick out everyone that voted for elements early in day one. By the time elementis made his watcher claim i was already sorting him as town. With me even calling out those who continued to push him.

Wasn't with till after his one shot macho watcher claim plus himself voting that made me reluctantly vote for him.

Straight watcher i believed. Macho watcher could be possible role but no townie should have mentioned the macho bit. Added to all that self voting. It just looked bad for town

Oneshot talk tipped me over the edge when it came to voting for him. I cant see why he mentioned that as he flipped just a macho watcher. I wonder if he was responding to once

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I find it odd you overlook my scum hunting aswell. Did you not think kop has been scummy this game. Has he not done anything in your opinion to justify my vote on him before the wtacher saga. For you to think that doesnt even count as scum hunting.

He has yet to answer any of my points i think

I honestly think he shouldn't have said macho. He was in a really bad position as either faction. I probably shouldnt have voted him myself but i really wanted a lynch to go through and he became too much of a liability unfortunately.

[bob3141]

ment to be in above post


So eve you wanted a lynch to go through but did care who?

Also it looks like you are saying you lynched someone you thought was town.

[bob3141]

VC 2.1

Tchill13 - (7):

- gobbledygook, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr

bob4131 - (2):

- profii, Alonzo

Garmr - (1):

texcat

Hopkirk - (1):

AaronFrost

Not Voting:

Kop, Rick Dalton, Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Judge Joseph Dredd, Carcalilly, davesaz, bob3141

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

id say theres at least on scum on me atm. maybe 2.

hop and cliff is where id look first.

more so hop.

billy is prob town thats just going with the flow. idk about the rest.

What do you think of the sidewagon on bob?

Your asking tchill what he thinks about the votes on me. Yet what do you think of the votes on me?

You havnt mentioned anything about me all game i think. yet your asking someone who is being wagoned what

What do you hope to learn if you have no view on my alignment?

[bob3141]

It was quite clear he had put himself into a corner. And i doubt anything i said would have managed to pull off the lynches required to get someone else lynched. Me thinking he was town couldnt save him. Also better safe than sorry just incase it was a terrible slip as scum

So you thought he was town and was going to get lynched. But why not then simply try and push another lynch and only switching to elementes when deadlien approached. Afterall we had a 4 day extension due to players needing to be replaced

[bob3141]

Hmm. I can see that.

We are somewhat confident a doctor or jker exists because of one kill.

If its doctor they should be on mason

why are you directing any protective onto a claimed aesthetic mason?

[bob3141]

@profii: Who should I vote? Give me 2-3 options please

I was actually going to put forward Rick Dalton because I have only seen him hard buddy someone as scum (in overkill 2 actually - hebichan) but in the mafia PT of that game he said hed do it as town anyway

On the one hand you could say he is hard buddying our IC on the other hand you can say carca may well die soon so it's not a major scum asset to buddy an IC so openly anyway

Kinda back to square 1 I suppose

I'm happy ish with my Bob vote - though he did say look at his scum hunting on kop, who is a player who has lurked as scum with me before so that could even be as simple as "I'll bus my buddy the goon as I am the PR"

I'll be looking into tchill in work lunch breaks to try and decide what my thoughts are there

So your happy with your vote on me even though you pretext is quite flimsy.

You havnt come up with anything other than i voted for elentes like 9 other players. A player you self voted for. Pushign it to L-1 while elementes made it clear he would hammer himself straight away. Thus in truth a hammer and not l-1

in post 1689 you seem quite indifferent between teh two different wagons. ( elementes and clif) Rather than trying to work out who was most likely scum it looks liek you simply asked which wagon you shoudl sheep.

So why did you want elementes gone and not cliff

[bob3141]

Hmm. I can see that.

We are somewhat confident a doctor or jker exists because of one kill.

If its doctor they should be on mason

i think i know what you mean. JJD

[bob3141]

VOTE: Eve [/Post]

[bob3141]

VOTE: Eve

[bob3141]

read the middle line. That does not look right for town

[bob3141]

Eve looking through iso i cant realy see much scum hunting from you. A few town reads but nothing realy explianing them.

On teh scum hunting side all i can see is you askign garmr about one of his reads.

Infact dayone it looks like you directly interacted with very few players


Who do you think is scum and why eve?

[bob3141]

read the middle line. That does not look right for town

ok but why would scum say that

They certainly wouldnt say it intentionally

[bob3141]

We are

somewhat confident

Looks very much that teh person belongs to a they

Who is this we

[bob3141]

Thats the bit that stuck out to me. Thats not teh natural pretext town would use.


Eve has ven been prodding for info over the one nigth kill all day two.

[bob3141]

If there arent 2 possible kill outlets than scum must be stupidly stacked

But who is this we

[bob3141]

Eve looking again through your iso so much of it just looks like fluff.

If you are town give us some of your thoughts. Any analysis you have come up with

[bob3141]

Cant find that 103 post. Do you mean 103 rd game post or you 103rd of your iso

Its not the we on its own. But the we combined with teh hint of insider info. That indictated she could have a private. And since your the mason that only leaves anti towns

[bob3141]

Like i said i wanna push titus but i dont have any real reasoning. Its just a feeling i have.

We need more than that, Just looks like scum avoiding trying to do any scum hunting

Give us something more in depth


Give us 3 players you think could be scum and why. Mkae a few quotes ect.

[bob3141]

Eevee is an okay wagon right now, I like it much better than the Tchill wagon. I briefly mentioned in my catch-up post upon replacing in that I was scum-leaning her for posting mostly fluff and focusing too much on an inactive slot and that opinion hasn't really changed much, just been repressed by stronger scum reads.

VOTE: Eevee

If you were scum reading her when you subed in. Why only vote for her now?

I would of assumed if it as you say you would of voted her up earlier.

In post 2378 you dont even mention eve.

Yet all of sudden you want to vote for her after not mentioning anything about her sicne then. The reasons you gave predated that post. So what changed?

You thought she was scum and that you opinion hasnt changed much but she wasnt on your scum list.

VOTE: Aaron

Feels like a contradiction to me

[bob3141]

very laggy for me to today

[bob3141]

Another day of pages taking forever to load

[bob3141]

VC 2.1

Tchill13 - (7):

- gobbledygook, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr

bob4131 - (2):

- profii, Alonzo

Garmr - (1):

texcat

Hopkirk - (1):

AaronFrost

Not Voting:

Kop, Rick Dalton, Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Judge Joseph Dredd, Carcalilly, davesaz, bob3141

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

id say theres at least on scum on me atm. maybe 2.

hop and cliff is where id look first.

more so hop.

billy is prob town thats just going with the flow. idk about the rest.

If you are town what makes your think those two on your wagon are scum over teh others

[bob3141]

Tchill your at L-1 now.

Tchill13 - (7): - gobbledygook, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr, Alonzo

With i think those 8 being teh ones on your wagon

[bob3141]

Also we currently only have 2 REAL claims correct? Or am i mistaken?

I know billy claimed VT and Garmr claimed voyer

Other than that i dont know if any of the others can be taken serously


obvously this doesnt count carc as that been proven by gammas flip

[bob3141]

So we've come to the discovery that after 70 pages the one who was about to be lynched claimed... Shocker.

Someone is "bad" for being suspicious of it. Of course they're new so that fits the narrative.

Pretty funny. Yall really think if we were to actually lynch scum they wouldn't claim right before?

And watcher?.... Who gives a fuck about a watcher? Lol. I doubt it's true. Lynch it with fire. He's just gonna say he's town and that he fake claimed D2 or 3.

That's his gimmick d1. Dude hates d1. Plays wrecklessy because he doesn't care about it. I used to be that guy. I'm still kinda sorta that guy. Especially after d1 gets past PG 20.

I do not like this post at all tchill. At this point elentes hadnt started messing up by self voting or claiming that he was one shot macho watcher.


At this point in the game why did you think it was a fake claim

[bob3141]

In addition i cant see any attempt to question eve. Only you pushing his lynch.

No atempt at you trying discern if his claim is actualy fake by questioning him

intent to hammer Tchill

[bob3141]

Can you postpone the hammer until we get answers for the above questions

I always give pleanty of time for answers. But if i do want answers now i will put the pressure on

[bob3141]

Dumb question if Tchill is a town tracker, wouldn't he say so or hint the watcher claim might not be true? I'm a bit sick so please excuse if answered.

I find this quite odd.

Tchill just claimed tracker and your first response is to indirectly push him.

It would be unwise to concider to lynch tchill now that he has claimed tracker.

[bob3141]

meh might as well full disclose as I can't really answer that... I am the backup tracker, so to be fair, i could exist without a tracker existing but that seems stupid. I am obviously town but I dont know if backups have to be the same alignment as the actual dude

UNVOTE: T-chill

I will trust you on this one.

so are we saying a role and it's backup must be aligned ? Because if that isn't true, Tchill can be scum here

Also - i just looked back and tchill hasnt said what he did on N1, so before we let him off the hook, we should get him to say what he chose to do as this may inform us better i think

If you are a town backup I cant see tchill not beign town too. As if backups are used to reduce swing wouldnt scum losing a pr and town getting pr increase any swing

[bob3141]

Garmr if profi hadnt vouched for tchill tracker claim would you believe tchil would certainly be scum based of your role?

[bob3141]

why would it mess up your result?

[bob3141]

Vote count from end of day one

Elements - (11): Cliff Booth, Rick Dalton, Sharon Tate, AaronFrost, Tchill13, EeveeLution Army, bob4131, Carcalilly, Judge Joseph Dread, profii, Elements
Cliff Booth (3): Hectic, gobbledygook, Titus
Tchill13 - (3): Billy Pilgrim, Garmr, Gamma Emerald
AaronFrost (2): Kop, Hopkirk
Billy Pilgrim - (1): YouAreGreat

Vote count from cliff wagon

Cliff Booth (8): Elements, Hopkirk, Gamma Emerald, Billy Pilgrim, Carcalilly, Hectic, tchill13
Elements - (5): AaronFrost, Cliff Booth, Titus, Rick Dalton, Sharon Tate
Hectic - (2): Judge Joseph Dredd, profii
Judge Joesph Dredd (2): Hectic, roosterfoster
Billy Pilgrim - (1): YouAreGreat
davesaz - (1): EeveeLution Army
Kop (1): bob4131
Tchill13 - (1): Garmr

Vote count before tchill claim

Tchill13 - (7): - gobbledygook, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr, alonzo, billy
EeveeLution Army - (5): - Judge Joseph Dread, Rick Dalton, , , AaronFrost, texcat,
bob4131 - (2): - profii, Alonzo
Garmr - (1): - texcat
Rick Dalton - (1): - Carcalilly
Aaron- bob

[bob3141]

I am ok with a policy lynch on Garmr but I'd be very shocked if he flips scum. Garmr tends to be off the wall ridiculous as town.

So what would you say makes you happy to lynch garmr. If you are happy to lynch him wouldnt that mean you think he is scum. Thus wouldnt you be voting for him if you were.


Also i see you have gone from being happy with tchill to garmr in under a day. Would if you were town want to scum hunt more first

[bob3141]

Vote count from end of day one

Elements - (11): Cliff Booth, Rick Dalton, Sharon Tate, AaronFrost, x, EeveeLution Army, bob4131, x, Judge Joseph Dread, x, Elements
Cliff Booth (3): Hectic, gobbledygook, Titus
Tchill13 - (3): Billy Pilgrim, Garmr, Gamma Emerald
AaronFrost (2): Kop, Hopkirk
Billy Pilgrim - (1): YouAreGreat

Vote count from cliff wagon

Cliff Booth (8): Elements, Hopkirk, Gamma Emerald, Billy Pilgrim, x, Hectic, x
Elements - (5): AaronFrost, Cliff Booth, Titus, Rick Dalton, Sharon Tate
Hectic - (2): Judge Joseph Dredd, x
Judge Joesph Dredd (2): Hectic, roosterfoster
Billy Pilgrim - (1): YouAreGreat
davesaz - (1): EeveeLution Army
Kop (1): bob4131
Tchill13 - (1): Garmr

Vote count before tchill claim

Tchill13 - (7): - gobbledygook, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr, alonzo, billy
EeveeLution Army - (5): - Judge Joseph Dread, Rick Dalton, , , AaronFrost, texcat,
bob4131 - (2): - x,
Garmr - (1): - texcat
Rick Dalton - (1): - x
Aaron- bob

Now if tchill and profi are both telling teh truth the above with mason and them taken out

[bob3141]

cant see atleast one of the below not being scum.

Cliff Booth, Rick Dalton, Sharon Tate (alonzo) , AaronFrost, x, EeveeLution Army, , Judge Joseph Dread,

[bob3141]

Alonzo i see you Voted for both tchill and garmr with no reason given.

Makes me think in that list one of teh scum is you.

VOTE: Alonzo

add to that you were also on tchill and quitly hopped off

[bob3141]

Alonzo what was your reasoning behind your blank votes on garmr and tchill?

[bob3141]

infact you did even give your reasoning behind your first post. Your vote on me.

Even when pressed in your post 2123 you only said you had me and few others as scum at glance. But nothing backing it up. no why, no nothing.

You even havnt tried to scum hunt at all since you joined. How mnay players have you actualy tried to interact with

[bob3141]

Garmr stood out a bit on my day one re read, but IV isod since and softened my stance.

Tchill is only not getting a vote because of his claim, everything else seems dodgy about him.

but what seems dodgy to you about Tchill?

What made garmr stick out on your day one read and what made you soften your stance?


Yet another post with no actual substance, nothing backing it up. Nothing that doesnt shows that you havnt simply plucked your reads out of thin air. And that leaves yor simply looking like opportunistic scum.


What are your rest of your reads. As i see you only have 3-4 hollow reads. What do you want to ask of the many different players in this game. I dont see you even trying to look for scum. 18 other players alive and you have asked at most one question.

[bob3141]

Unofficial vote count


Alonzo (7) - cliff 2759 Bob 2806, Garmr2808 , Profii 2925 ,JJD 2937, Aaron 2978 , Titus 2991
Titus (2) - Eve 2971 , Alonzo 2981 ,
JJD (1)- Carc 2935
Garmr (2) - Dave 2784, Texcat 2788
Eve (2)- Rick 2510 , gobble 2867
Tchill (1)- Hectic2398
Gobble (1)- Hopk 2911
Aaron (1)- Kop 1768
Hopk (1)- Tchill 2838


No Vote -billy 2724

[bob3141]

Alonzo OMGUS voting Titus is bad bad bad

??

Titus was an original scumread of mine

But what originally made you scum read him and why vote for him when you did?

There must have been something to change your mind on who you were voting at teh time.

[bob3141]

I mean... Falling for the same shit day two that cost a mislynch day one??

Bravo

So if you are town. Who do you think is scum on your wagon and why?

As all game I cant see you trying to become informed on who the scum are. Apart from one or two small posts.

[bob3141]

Although based on that logic it is possible cliff could be scum but what makes you think you arnt wrong about any of those in that list

Shy do you not think one of the scum would have bussed cliff during that wagon

[bob3141]

Cliff Booth (8): x, Hopkirk, x, Billy Pilgrim, x, Hectic, tchill13

If cliff isnt scum I cant see all of the scum avoiding that wagon.

If cliff is scum i cant see all of teh scum not busing him. Since he was only at l-4

[bob3141]

VC 1.5

Cliff Booth (8):

Elements, Hopkirk, Gamma Emerald, Billy Pilgrim, Carcalilly, Hectic, tchill13

Elements - (5):

AaronFrost, Cliff Booth, Titus, Rick Dalton, Sharon Tate

Hectic - (2):

Judge Joseph Dredd, profii

Judge Joesph Dredd (2):

Hectic, roosterfoster

Billy Pilgrim - (1):

YouAreGreat

davesaz - (1):

EeveeLution Army

Kop (1):

bob4131

Tchill13 - (1):

Garmr

Not Voting:

No one.

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-09-20 07:28:35)

Hop if you think cliff is scum what do you think of the players on elementis wagon in that votecount you got teh ciff wagon on

[bob3141]

@bob are you the VT claimer or was it billy? I can't remember

Billy claimed vt.

[bob3141]

Alonzo - (9): - bob4131, Garmr, profii, Judge Joseph Dread, AaronFrost, Titus, Billy Pilgrim, gobble, dave

Yep it does look like its l-1. think thats teh wagon so far

[bob3141]

VOTE: Alonzo

We need to consolidate

Just get back on Eevee and we won't have any trouble.

How are you happy with Alonzo and Eevee wagons? Are you thinking the scum weren't able to drive a single wagon the entire day (when there's probably ~5?) I guess I could see that with some of the suspicious inactives.

-Hipkork

Depends on prs. We started with 21 right?
16v5 15v5v1 16v4v1 15v6 17v3v1


Less likely is probably 16v3v2 15v3v3 or 15v4v2

THis feels very odd. Almost liek mafia trying to figure out why they only have few members

[bob3141]

I mean i really doubt theres more than 6 scum.

but your talking about combinations. How does that help town.

Just looks like your scum trying to probe for any traitors

[bob3141]

the gobble kill makes me wonder why him

we have claimed tracker , voyer. a suriving mason. And a few other claims

[bob3141]

the gobble kill makes me wonder why him

we have claimed tracker , voyer. a suriving mason. And a few other claims

There could be a chance that they are leaving them alive, to keep some doubts that they are telling the truth about there claim.

I understand that leaving those roles in the game, it gives them a chance of finding scum or hitting lucky and catching one of them out, but scum must have confidence in a game of this size they might not be anywhere near them and they won't get caught at this stage of the game.

but the shear amount of claims wouldnt scum of knocked one off. Unless one of teh pool is scum and they dont want to reduce its size

[bob3141]

I’m debating certain things internally with EeveeLution. Will get back to you in the morning.

You share a PT with Evee???? Interesting!

No PT with Eevee, but I see your smarm.

I thought this was funny back then.

[bob3141]

the traitor certainly though eve was scum no doubt

When he said i dont have PT with eve. As in being traitor not in teh main thread

[bob3141]

VOTE: Eve

The traitor thought eve was scum lets get eve

[bob3141]

At teh moment eve vote on titus looks liek a vanity vote to me

[bob3141]

See how he voted for titus then never realy did anything after that.

Makes me think he wanted to avoid lynching alonzo as he migth thought he was teh traitor. see how teh entire time he was probbing set ups rather than scum hunting

[bob3141]

Like i said i wanna push titus but i dont have any real reasoning. Its just a feeling i have.

see at no point did he actualy give a reason for titus vote.

If he only had feeling and no reasoning why was his vote there all day 2

Even when he finaly voted titus. all he said i can vote here now.

Now added reasoning

Cant see his titus vote being anythign other than a vanity vote

[bob3141]

whta si teh reayl bda ofr uyor ocd

[bob3141]

Like i said i wanna push titus but i dont have any real reasoning. Its just a feeling i have.

see at no point did he actualy give a reason for titus vote.

If he only had feeling and no reasoning why was his vote there all day 2

Even when he finaly voted titus. all he said i can vote here now.

Now added reasoning

Cant see his titus vote being anythign other than a vanity vote

Its a vote scum cast to avoid any wagon. In other word they drop there vote on player they know isnt going to go through or form a big wagon. In effect its mafia tryign to hide from wagon analysis

yeah i never really had good reasoning on titus. but i still think hes scum.

but what do you mean by vanity here pride or worthless?

[bob3141]

second time ive made post and only teh quote has gone through. Some how it ended up in teh middle of the quote.


Its a vote that scum cast inorder to avoid being on a lynch. In effect its scum attempt at hiding from any wagon analysis on the lynch.

[bob3141]

If you didnt have any reasoning for titus being scum why did you vote for him. And why were you not able to find any reason to vote for any other player

Looks to me liek your simply not trying to solve teh game. as you already know who the scum are

[bob3141]

garmr what is your result

[bob3141]

There's no way a traitor is stupid enough to <3 only scumpartners unless they're doing it specifically for Wifom which is dumb in itself.

we must use caution when following crumbs.

Soem could be townies he wants to frame should he flip and other could be him trying to tell them he is scum

[bob3141]

There's no way a traitor is stupid enough to <3 only scumpartners unless they're doing it specifically for Wifom which is dumb in itself.

we must use caution when following crumbs.

Soem could be townies he wants to frame should he flip and other could be him trying to tell them he is scum

So wanna switch to judge then as he tried to tell judge about his neighbourhood?

Could certain be so. After all he did say he could see his smarm at the end.

be funny if they killed because they thought he actualy had pt with eve

VOTE: JJD

[bob3141]

if jjd is scum would explain why he said to profi he thought jjd was town. Maybe trying to convince him his scum partner was town in back ground

[bob3141]

the neighbor part of gooble role is interesting. As other have pointed out

since gobble would know the scum. If profii was scum it would defeat the point of gobble being a traitor if he was in neigbhourhood with one of teh other scum and no others.

think proffii said it was him and gobble.

by extension that proves tchill is town if proffi is town.

scum must certainly be biting their fist. They killed a scum and made 2 pr near confirmed lol

[bob3141]

Vote counts that show the major bandwagons and lynches so far (x is dead townies or near cleared. scum marked with s) Since its from my analysis Ive simply marked myself as b as i know im town. But leaves it there for others to see

Alonzo - (10): - b , Garmr, x, Judge Joseph Dread, AaronFrost, Titus, Billy Pilgrim, Gobble(s), davesaz, Cliff Booth
EeveeLution Army - (3): - Rick Dalton, Hopkirk, texcat
Hopkirk - (2): - x, x
Judge Joesph Dread - (1): - x
Tchill13 - (1): - Hectic
Titus - (1): - EeveeLution Army

Tchill13 - (6): - scum , Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr
EeveeLution Army - (5): - Judge Joseph Dread, Rick Dalton, Billy Pilgrim, b , AaronFrost
bob4131 - (2): - x, x
Garmr - (1): - texcat
Rick Dalton - (1): - x

Elements - (11): Cliff Booth, Rick Dalton, x, AaronFrost, x, EeveeLution Army, b, x, Judge Joseph Dread, x, x
Cliff Booth (3): Hectic, gobble(S), Titus
Tchill13 - (3): Billy Pilgrim, Garmr, x
AaronFrost (2): Kop, Hopkirk
Billy Pilgrim - (1): YouAreGreat

Cliff Booth (8): x, Hopkirk, x, Billy Pilgrim, x, Hectic, x
Elements - (5): AaronFrost, Cliff Booth, Titus, Rick Dalton, x
Hectic - (2): Judge Joseph Dredd, x
Judge Joesph Dredd (2): Hectic, Gobble(S)
Billy Pilgrim - (1): YouAreGreat
davesaz - (1): EeveeLution Army
Kop (1): b
Tchill13 - (1): Garmr

roosterfoster (5): x, x, Kop, davesaz, x
Elements - (3): Skellen, b, Cliff Booth
Billy Pilgrim - (2): YouAreGreat, Hopkirk
Judge Joesph Dredd (2): Hectic, gobble(s)
Hopkirk (2): Rick Dalton
Carcalilly - (1): x
davesaz - (1): EeveeLution Army
Hectic - (1): Judge Joseph Dredd
Skellen - (1): x
tchill13 - (1): Billy Pilgrim
YouAreGreat - (1): Garmr

Not Voting: Fish Monger

[bob3141]

didnt teh scum doc come from gobble.

Gobble would only know who the scum are and not their roles.

[bob3141]

profii claimed to be gobble's neighbur and no one has disputed that so far

[bob3141]

so we have carc and proffi prety much confirmed now. Well unless profii is 3rd party


profii claims back up tracker. Which means we have a tracker.

[bob3141]

so if proffii is a town backup tracker. That means that since no one has directly disputed thcill tracker claim that tchill is liekly town too

[bob3141]

proffii has said there was no other. And nooen else has said they were neighbor with profii

which means profii cant be same faction as gobble.

So unless tahts disputed proffi is either town or 3rd party

[bob3141]

i mean neighbor with gobble

[bob3141]

normally the back up is teh same faction as the e.g. tracker. From what ive heard.

Somethign along the lines that there to reduce swing. Doesnt confirm tchill but makes it likely he is town. Unless a another tracker comes forth.

[bob3141]

titus is your arguement that proffi is gobble scum partner?

I donn't see now proffi could be same faction as gobble. As it woudl defeat the purpose of gooble beign a traitor. If he could simply say hi there im your traitor

[bob3141]

Yes, there's normal and what's possible.

How did gobble pass his results?

no doubt with his wits. he is rolecop with no direct line to scum. i assuming he wanted to use proffi as pawn, in regards to that

[bob3141]

with the risk of 3 confirmed your prob going to have to kill in them ?

[bob3141]

titus is your arguement that proffi is gobble scum partner?

I donn't see now proffi could be same faction as gobble. As it woudl defeat the purpose of gooble beign a traitor. If he could simply say hi there im your traitor

And then killing gobble makes profli "confirmed town". Profli is town almost certainly if we find gobble giving crumbs. Otherwise, I don't trust it.

How about this. Was anyone other than proffii a neighbor with gobble

[bob3141]

no need for your role

[bob3141]

with the risk of 3 confirmed your prob going to have to kill in them ?

Best way to survive a myriad of conftown is to get yourself placed in.

Maybe I'm crazy but a scum rolecop communicates his results.

And he no doubt could. But would have settle for outing them in thread

[bob3141]

proffi can not be scum with gobble. why would gobble be traitor then>

[bob3141]

proffi can not be scum with gobble. why would gobble be traitor then>

Loss mechanic. White flag partially. Reduce scum power by forcing a game of telephone. Pretty ingenious actually.

doesnt that defeat the point of scum not knowing who the traitor is

[bob3141]

coudl be there afraid of power roles taht are unkown. We dont have a watcher but what other roles could be lurking on proffi or tchill

[bob3141]

Hopkirk you aint confirmed town yet. Your just claiming you and hectic are confirmed town.

If you to flip and that flip show hectic was confirmed town then hectic would be confirmed town. so not teh same as carc who is remaining half of a mason pair

[bob3141]

roosterfoster (5): Elements, Gamma Emerald, Kop, davesaz, profii

above is from teh vote count (below is rooster wagon 10 post later

roosterfoster (5): Elements, Gamma Emerald, Kop, , profii , JJD

minus fliped and near confirmed town. Thats,

Kop, davesaz and Kop,, JJD

Even though gooble flipped scum. Scum wouldnt know rooster was scum unless profii was also scum.


So on one of those two wagons i woudl expect it to of snagged atleast on scum

so one of kop, dave or jjd has higher scum equity


would line up with gobble crumb if its jjd

[bob3141]

It's like nobody even pays attention to crumbs.
Or two killers I guess.

Do you have a problem with Hectic here? Do you have him as anything other than a strong townread? I'd like to know why if not.

for now your neither a scum read nor confirmed




For you to be entily ruled out you need to flip. Until you have to settle for beign town read

[bob3141]

I feel like you don't want us talking about the Cliff wagon here Bob.

Im happy to talk about that. But got 5 mins left and rooster came first.


My thinking on cliff is determined by jjd flip. But i think cliff has scum equity based on his wagon

[bob3141]

at teh moment im think eve was counter wagon to cliffs.

And jjd was pushign against hectic at the time one of wagoners

Have to look at post more closley but skim of the vote count looks that way.

cliff and gobble on eve

[bob3141]

slash teh gooble, rooster was on jjd. Distancing maybe

[bob3141]

on that point with jjd on hectic was wrong. Checked iso and the vote count was wrong

[bob3141]

JJD (8) garmr, hopkirk, bob, carc, cliff, billy, aaron, texcat

looked threw the thread and jjd is on l-1

[bob3141]

JJd can you confirm that you are visitor and that you visited cliff n1


Cliff can you confirm whether you were visited or not

[bob3141]

Cliff claims loyal fruit vendor and claims to have visited jjd n1. Cliff is that right

And jjd you cliam to ahev received nothing is that right

[bob3141]

JJd can you confirm that you are visitor and that you visited cliff n1


Cliff can you confirm whether you were visited or not

The visitor claim was like 3 fake claims ago. Now hes claiming disloyal fruit vendor.

Look if someone that isn't Cliff sent me fruit you should probably claim now, because it's the interaction between Cliff's claiming he sent me the fruit and JJD claiming not having received it that's making me think JJD is scum here.

Cliff could very easily still be scum even if jjd is scum.

Just means that his role entails beign fruit vendor. So he could be loyal town fruit vendor or a scum fruit vendor.

And that this all just a ploy by jjd and cliff to try and get cliff confirmed.

[bob3141]

And that this could all just a ploy by jjd and cliff to try and get cliff confirmed.


corrected

[bob3141]

And that this could all just be a ploy by jjd and cliff to try and get cliff confirmed as town.


lol found i missed a few more words

[bob3141]

if jjd is town then cliff cant be loyal fruit vendor. As jjd claims no fruit and billy claims fruit.

if JJD is scum then we know we have lynched scujm.


if cliff is town he will have another chance to vend fruit. Creating a second confirmed townie. Even if one dies that leave carc confirmed mason living longer.

If cliff is scum he is either caught out in lie. Either with jjd flip or if he claims to have found another scum.

[bob3141]

what is it with people self hammering. Your not dead until your lynched and if you know your town how is lynching you self playign to your win condition.


Was still pleanty of debate to be had. Any one hammerign woudl ahve been tehre scum claim

[bob3141]

JJD self hammer is bit annoying as i was about to unvote.

While i had time to look at all this claim and counter claim closely.

[bob3141]

Large Normal 223 | New Beginnings

Players	Status	Role	Death
Kop	Alive
Billy Pilgrim	Alive
Cliff Booth	Alive
Rick Dalton	Alive
Sharon Tate Alonzo	Dead	Town Macho	Lynched Day 2
Hectic	Alive
EeveeLution Army	Alive
Gamma Emerald	Dead	Town Mason Mailman	Killed Night 1
Judge Joseph Dredd	Alive
Elements	Dead	Town Macho Watcher	Lynched Day 1
Titus	Alive
Hopkirk	Alive
roosterfoster gobbledygook	Dead	Mafia Traitor Rolecop Neighbor	Killed Night 2
Carcalilly	Alive
Garmr	Alive
Tchill13	Alive
davesaz	Alive
profii	Alive
bob3141	Alive
Skellen AaronFrost	Alive
YouAreGreat texcat	Alive

If this flips green, then scum have a FV (may or may not actually be Cliff) or Billy's also scum btw.

Not to mention, if JJD is green, and the role he claimed, and he didn't reveal N2 target, then I'm gonna be a bit annoyed.

Indeed

After he said he was disloyal there wasnt much point if he is tellign the truth. As his role would have been burnt.

At worst he is either scum or we have scum on a 1v1

[bob3141]

JJD no need to be obnoxious. Someones more then entiled to cast a vote and get to reevaluate.

How many times have you changed your vote this game.

[bob3141]

@Profii - what the fuck are you waiting on here? I cant see any scum motivation in what you're doing, but its sure as hell weird.

I'm not hammering until we know why cliff didnt pursue a guilty yesterday?

I have a reason he could of as town. But I don't want to accidentally feed scum a way out again like I did the worst in another game.

what makes you think this.

If JJD flips disloyal fruit vendor then it confirms cliff as scum.

So any point here is only valid if JJD flips scum

[bob3141]

what i dont get is why jJD says billy is never scum.

If he is tellign teh truth about being a disloyal simple fruitvendor

Then wouldnt cliff beign fruit vendor prevent the action goign through due to not being a goon or vt

If billy is saying he got fruit and noone else is claiming to have done so.

Then for cliff to be scum billy has to be scum if JJD is a town disloyal simple fruit vendor

[bob3141]

Cliff mind explianing how you received fruit from jjd even though he was disloyal simple fruit vendor

[bob3141]

VOTE: Cliff

Which also asks the question how billy got fruit if cliff couldnt vend it. Although there is a small possibility its scum gambit with billy. Most likely scum has fruit vendor and that it simply isnt cliff that sent it

[bob3141]

end of day vote counts with t= town. T = traitor. I abreviated bob to b as i know im town as im using it for my analysis.

Elements - (11): Cliff Booth, Rick Dalton, t, AaronFrost, t, EeveeLution Army, b, t, t, profii, t
Cliff Booth (3): Hectic, T, Titus
Tchill13 - (3): Billy Pilgrim, Garmr, t
AaronFrost (2): Kop, Hopkirk
Billy Pilgrim - (1): YouAreGreat

Alonzo - (10): - b, Garmr, profii, t, AaronFrost, Titus, Billy Pilgrim, T, davesaz, Cliff Booth
EeveeLution Army - (3): - Rick Dalton, Hopkirk, texcat
Hopkirk - (2): - t, t
Judge Joesph Dread - (1): - Carcalilly
Tchill13 - (1): - Hectic
Titus - (1): - EeveeLution Army

Not Voting: Kop

Judge Joseph Dredd - (9): Garmr, Hopkirk, b, t, Cliff Booth, Billy Pilgrim, AaronFrost, texcat, t
Garmr - (1): Titus

[bob3141]

Aaron who has a role cop

[bob3141]

VOTE: Cliff

I think scum having a fruit vendor is likely. I dont remember who brought up the possibility of town and scum having similar roles but if that's the case then we probably have a rolecop and town has a tracker/watcher.

You say we have role cop and town has?

[bob3141]

during the night i went through the vote counts for day one. Well i had to actual make them by collecting the data of every chnaged vote. I can post that i any wants to see it

[bob3141]

I am. I need you to confirm what message you received so I know you're not just saying you did.

why is it a "'messenger' of sorts" and not a role title? did you specifically target me for the message or was the target chosen at random.
it feels like you're intentionally hiding something

Let me try again: Did you receive something or did you not receive anything on N1?

Failing to answer probably means scum have a Tracker/Watcher who saw me visit you but didn't know what kind of action I performed. I can't think of any other scenario where you would know I visited you but didn't receive the gift.

I did receive a message

What .. was .. it?

A lovely basket of fruit

Are you sure? Are you absolutely certain that you received FRUIT (and not -say- chocolate)?

It was fruit

[bob3141]

Cant see why town would lie about receiving fruit. What would town hope to acheive by lying.

If JJD hadnt even been remotely patient rather havign a tantrum when he got to l-1. Then his lynch would prob of failed as after i had looked at what happened. That caused JJD to go from 3 votes to 8 in matter of 24 hours. When my intial vote had only been there to see who would try and push a jjd lynch as i had suspicions about garmr push on him. He had already hammered himself when i came to unvote

[bob3141]

Raw date for vote data i collected. shows every new vote with its post number
for day 1
0th

gobble/roster (5): Elements, Gamma Emerald, Kop, davesaz, profii
Billy Pilgrim - (2): Aaron , Hopkirk
Elements - (2): Aaron, bob3141
Judge Joesph Dredd (2): Hectic, roosterfoster
Hopkirk (2): Cliff Booth, Rick Dalton
Carcalilly - (1): Sharon Tate
davesaz - (1): EeveeLution Army
Hectic - (1): Judge Joseph Dredd
Skellen - (1): Tchill13
YouAreGreat - (1): Garmr


11th

Cliff (4) - dave (1065), Hopkirk(1071), Elementis (1075) , gamma (1090),
Garmr- dave (956)
Dave - hectic (1002)
Tchill - billy (947)
gobble/roster(5):, Kop,, profii ,jjd (961) , element (992)
Billy Pilgrim - (2): texcat,
Elements - (2): Aaron,cliff (918) , hectic (987), Hopkirk (1059) ,Cliff (1086)
Judge Joesph Dredd (2):, gooble
Hopkirk (2): , Rick Dalton , garmr (1008) , Cliff (1082)
Carcalilly - (1): Alonzo
davesaz - (1): EeveeLution Army
Hectic - (1): Judge Joseph Dredd
Skellen - (1): Tchill13
YouAreGreat - (1):
Kop- bob (1022)

12th


Cliff (7) - dave (1065), Hopkirk(1071), Elementis (1075) , gamma (1090), billy (1092), Carc (1097), Hectic (1142),
Garmr-
Dave -
Eve -
Tchill -
gobble/roster (5):,, Kop,, profii ,jjd (961) , Hectic (1133)
Billy Pilgrim - (2): texcat, Hopkirk
Elements - (2): Skellen, bob3141, , , ,Cliff (1086), titus (1168), RD (1169)
Judge Joesph Dredd (2):, roosterfoster
Hopkirk (2): , Rick Dalton , garmr (1008) ,
Carcalilly - (1): Sharon Tate
davesaz - (1): EeveeLution Army
Hectic - (1): Judge Joseph Dredd
Skellen - (1): Tchill13
texcat(YrG)- (1):
Kop- bob (1022)

Unvote -alonzo (1101)

13th

Cliff - dave (1065), Hopkirk(1071), Elementis (1075) , gamma (1090), billy (1092), Carc (1097), Hectic (1142), tchill (1210)
Garmr-
Dave -
Eve -
Tchill - Garmr (1297)
gobble/roster (5):,, Kop,, profii ,jjd (961) , Hectic (1133)
Billy Pilgrim - (2): texcat , Hopkirk
Elements - (2): Skellen, bob3141, , , ,Cliff (1086), titus (1168), RD (1169), alonzo (1329)
Judge Joesph Dredd (2):, roosterfoster
Hopkirk (2): , Rick Dalton , garmr (1008) ,
Carcalilly - (1): Sharon Tate, dave (1234)
davesaz - (1): EeveeLution Army
Hectic - (1): Profii (1328)
Skellen - (1): Tchill13
texcat(YrG)- (1):
Kop- bob (1022)


Unvote -alonzo (1101), JJD (1222), Dave (1248), Tchill (1272)


14th

Cliff (5)- dave (1065), Hopkirk(1071), Elementis (1075) , gamma (1090), billy (1092), Carc (1097), Hectic (1142), tchill (1210)
Garmr-
Dave -
Eve -
Tchill (1) - Garmr (1297)
gobble/roster (0):,,,, ,jjd (961) , Hectic (1133)
Billy Pilgrim - (2): texcat , , kop (1353)
Elements - (6): Aaron ,Cliff (1086), titus (1168), RD (1169), alonzo (1329),
Judge Joesph Dredd (1):, gobble
Hopkirk (0): , , garmr (1008) ,
Carcalilly - (0):, dave (1234)
davesaz - (1): EeveeLution Army
Hectic - (1): Profii (1328)
Skellen - (1):
texcat(YrG)- (1):
Kop- bob (1022)


Unvote -, JJD (1222), Dave (1248), Tchill (1272)


15th

Cliff (5)- , Elementis (1075) , gamma (1090), billy (1092), Carc (1097), Hectic (1142),
Garmr-
Dave -
Eve -
Tchill - Garmr (1297)
gobble/roster (0):, ,
Billy Pilgrim - (2): texcat , , kop (1353)
Elements - (2): Aaron ,Cliff (1086), titus (1168), RD (1169), alonzo (1329), Hopkirk (1401)
Judge Joesph Dredd (2):, gobble
Hopkirk (2): , , ,
Carcalilly - (1):,
davesaz - (1): EeveeLution Army
Hectic - (1): Profii (1328)
Skellen - (1):
texcat(YrG)- (1):
Kop- bob (1022)
Rick - gamma (1455), elementis (1456)


Unvote -, JJD (1222), Dave (1248), Tchill (1272)

16th

Cliff (5)- , , , billy (1092), Carc (1097), Hectic (1142), gamma (1623)
Garmr-
Dave -
Eve -
Tchill - Garmr (1297)
gobble/roster (0):, ,
Billy Pilgrim - (2): texcat , , kop (1353)
Elements - (2): Aaron ,Cliff (1086), titus (1168), RD (1169), alonzo (1329), Hopkirk (1401) , rick (1479)
Judge Joesph Dredd (2):, gobble
Hopkirk (2): , , ,
Carcalilly - (1):,
davesaz - (1): EeveeLution Army
Hectic - (1): Profii (1328)
Skellen - (1):
texcat(YrG)- (1):
Kop- bob (1022)
Rick - gamma (1455), elementis (1456) , aaron (1465)

17th

Cliff (5)- , , ,, Carc (1097), Hectic (1142), gamma (1623) , elemnt (1671),
Garmr-
Dave -
Eve -
Tchill - Garmr (1297) , billy(1692), Hopkirk (1698)
gobble/roster (0):, ,
Billy Pilgrim - (2): texcat , , kop (1353),
Elements - (2): ,Cliff (1086), titus (1168), RD (1169), alonzo (1329), , rick (1479), garmr (1674) ,
Judge Joesph Dredd (2):, gobble
Hopkirk (2): , , ,
Carcalilly - (1):,
davesaz - (1): EeveeLution Army
Hectic - (1): Profii (1328)
Skellen - (1):
texcat(YrG)- (1):
Kop- bob (1022)
Rick - , elementis (1456) , aaron (1465)

18th

Cliff (5)- , , ,, Carc (1097), Hectic (1142),) , element (1671), gobble (1729), tchill (1756) , titus (1773)
Garmr-
Dave -
Eve -
Tchill - Garmr (1297) , billy(1692), Hopkirk (1698) , garmr (1733) ,Tchil (1742) , bob (1748), elemtis (1752) , gamma (1805)
gobble/roster (0):, ,
Billy Pilgrim - (2): texcat , , kop (1353),
Elements - (2): ,Cliff (1086), titus (1168), RD (1169), alonzo (1329), , rick (1479), garmr (1674) , gamma (1708), aaron (1717) , tchill (1738) , profilli (1747), tchill ( 1808) , eve (1869), bob (1876), carc (1885) , JJD (1940) , Proffii (1954)
Judge Joesph Dredd (2):,
Hopkirk (2): , , ,
Carcalilly - (1):,
davesaz - (1): EeveeLution Army
Hectic - (1): Profii (1328)
Skellen - (1):
texcat(YrG)- (1):
Kop- bob (1022)
Rick - , elementis (1456) ,
Aaron - JJD (1734) , tchill (1759) , elemtis (1767) , kop (1768), proffii (1776), Hopkirk (1778)

No voye - proffii (1749) , elemtis (1892)

19th

Cliff (5)- , , ,, Hectic (1142),) ,, gobble (1729),) , titus (1773)
Garmr-
Dave -
Eve -
Tchill - , billy(1692), , garmr (1733) ,, , gamma (1805)
gobble/roster (0):, ,
Billy Pilgrim - (2): texcat , , kop (1353),
Elements - (2): ,Cliff (1086),,, alonzo (1329), , rick (1479), , aaron (1717) , tchill (1738) , profilli (1747), tchill ( 1808) , eve (1869), bob (1876), carc (1885) , JJD (1940) , Proffii (1944) , elemtes (1945)

Aaron - , kop (1768), , Hopkirk (1778)

No voye - proffii (1749) , elemtis (1892)

Lynch one

Elements - (11): Cliff Booth, Rick Dalton, Sharon Tate, AaronFrost, Tchill13, EeveeLution Army, bob3141, Carcalilly, Judge Joseph Dredd, profii, Elements
Cliff Booth (3): Hectic, gobbledygook, Titus
Tchill13 - (3): Billy Pilgrim, Garmr, Gamma Emerald
AaronFrost (2): Kop, Hopkirk
Billy Pilgrim - (1): YouAreGreat

Not Voting: davesaz

[bob3141]

rooster first wagon

10th gobble/roster (5): t, t, Kop, t, profii (proffii is either 3rd party or town)

iwith 2 wagons at 5 for the traitor with 6 different players.

If scum didnt know who teh traitor was there is high chance kop is scum. With a purely statistic analysis

[bob3141]

I noticed that garmr avoided teh day oen lynch even though he earlier voted element aswell as he seems oddly miss voting for cliff. Concidering how much his vote moved around

Plus he was the original one to push jjd after teh traitor poped.

My current list for scum is cliff, garmr, kop and i think last oen is titus

[bob3141]

so they are teh 4 i think are scum. will be interesting to find how close i am today when teh games over

[bob3141]

will collect teh data for day 2 latter today.

[bob3141]

day oen interestign vote counts if 2 on same date and player. It means the later has confirmed town repalced with t and my vote is maked as t(b)

10th gobble/roster (5): t, t, Kop, davesaz, profii
12th Cliff (7) - dave (1065), Hopkirk(1071), Elementis (1075) , gamma (1090), billy (1092), Carc (1097), Hectic (1142),

12thCliff (7) - dave (1065), Hopkirk(1071), t (1075) , t (1090), billy (1092), t (1097), Hectic (1142),

13th Cliff (7)- , Hopkirk(1071), Elementis (1075) , gamma (1090), billy (1092), Carc (1097), Hectic (1142), tchill (1210)
13th Cliff - , Hopkirk(1071), t (1075) , t (1090), billy (1092), t (1097), Hectic (1142), t(1210)

13th Elements - (5): Aaron, ,Cliff (1086), titus (1168), RD (1169), t (1329)

15th Cliff (3)- , billy (1092), Carc (1097), Hectic (1142),
15th Elements - (6): Aaron ,Cliff (1086), titus (1168), RD (1169), t(a) (1329), Hopkirk (1401)
16th Elements - (5):,Cliff (1086), titus (1168), alonzo (1329), Hopkirk (1401) , rick (1479)
17th Elements - (5): ,Cliff (1086), titus (1168), alonzo (1329), , rick (1479), garmr (1674) ,
18th tchill -Tchill - , billy(1692), Hopkirk (1698) , garmr (1733) , , bob (1748), elemtis (1752) , gamma (1805)
18th Tchill - , billy(1692), Hopkirk (1698) , garmr (1733) , , t(b) (1748), t , t
19th cliff (3) Hectic (1142),) ,, s(t) (1729),) , titus (1773)

Elements - (11): Cliff Booth, Rick Dalton, t, AaronFrost, t, EeveeLution Army, t(b), t, t, profii, t

[bob3141]

18th Tchill - , billy(1692), Hopkirk (1698) , garmr (1733) , , t(b) (1748), t , t

we have these votes on tchill on the 18th

we have billy, hopk and garmr. Statisticly one of these must be scum 2/3 of the time

[bob3141]

Proffi it means that to JJD cliff is a vanilla goon

As the action would have only goes through if cliff was both scum and a vanilla role. So cliff can only be a scum goon

[bob3141]

if cliff was pr scum or vt. JJD action would of failed for both

[bob3141]

readign trhought it all and the follwing post from JJD

Its looks genuine. With lying happening when cliff trys to row back from receiving fruit.

[bob3141]

Cliff if you are loyal fruit vendor explain why JJD didnt recieve any fruit.

Makes me think your hiding the fact your a mafia simple fruit vendor. As if teh reason you were role blocked n1 why wouldnt you be roleblocked n2 and n3. Clearly you weren't rb n2. But why would scum not rb you again when it was clear that you visiting billy would result in confirmed town. As thats what you heavily hinted to when you asked for vt.

Why a vt why not any role. Or infact just visit a townie and watch.

[bob3141]

Also what determined your choice for night 3. As i do find it quite odd.

[bob3141]

Cliff mind explianing how you received fruit from jjd even though he was disloyal simple fruit vendor

I didnt. I totally misread the situation and jjd, lied about getting fruit because I thought he was pulling a 300 IQ play on me and probably made my dumbest fuck up to date. On any account :/
I deserve to get lynched here based on my behavior so I wont fight it but I'll share my perspective for those that want it.

I know there's some AtE there but oh well. I'll try to refrain from it in the future just wanted to get that off of my chest.

If you are town why did you think it was a good idea as you claim to lie about receiving fruit. Surely if you were a town player you woudl ahve told teh truth. That as you now claim you didnt recieve any.

What good did you think it would do town.

[bob3141]

Billy I to can confirm there is still a fruit vendor in the game. I just think its scum vendor fishing out who are teh vt so they can kill pr.

But with 4 pr dead. One mason and oen IC known. Plus back up tracker and remain mason alive. Scum prob already know who teh pr are anyway

[bob3141]

My point may not have been totally clear up there. I'm not confident one way or the other on anyone, specifically Bob, due to how bad my votes have been this game.

If you are town why would you send fruit to me if you were town reading me

[bob3141]

Also what determined your choice for night 3. As i do find it quite odd.

already said so proffii

[bob3141]

I did get fruit but no doubt it was cliff scum partners. As there is fair few players that were better candiates for teh test than me

If players like kop who havnt realy posted much

[bob3141]

If a player was town reading me why send fruit to me. Where you have pleanty of posts to draw a conclusion. rather than players with less than 40 posts. The next player up from kop and texcat is titus at double the posts of each of teh prior names.

[bob3141]

I didnt like how fast the last day went. Even with claism and counter claims, it went fast.

I came back from busy day to find JJD on l-1. When i only voted for him to see what garmr would do. As i though garmr could very likely be scum and i wanted to see what happened with teh wagon to judge him. Aswell as being able to resolvesort JJD slot as he was in a important spot on teh vote counts.

With all town in latter half of the day oen lynch it quite clear scum that wernt on elementis ended teh day vainity voting

[bob3141]

Prob teh pressing need to avoid 2 more confirmed townies.

proffii and tchill would be very hard to lynch with goobles flip. And that flip made it very likely they were both town.

There could be teh reason day 3 ended before we coudl hear tchill n2 result.

[bob3141]

JJD said he gave fruit to Billy right? Or was that you who gave him fruit?

JJD said he sent fruit to cliff n1 and me n2

[bob3141]

Prob teh pressing need to avoid 2 more confirmed townies.

proffii and tchill would be very hard to lynch with goobles flip. And that flip made it very likely they were both town.

There could be teh reason day 3 ended before we coudl hear tchill n2 result.

But day 3 ended because jjd hammered himself.

I'm not gonna hammer myself but I'm also not moving my vote.

doesnt matter how it ended. But ultimatly day 3 ended with out town finding out tchill result.

What happened if he had tracked someone else to billy or track teh player that did teh nk or player who vended fruit to me

[bob3141]

JJD said he gave fruit to Billy right? Or was that you who gave him fruit?

JJD said he sent fruit to cliff n1 and me n2

Where did he say he sent it to you n2? Guess I missed that

He said rigth shortly before he flipped. Cant see how you would be aware of that as you woudl be waiting for his flip if you were town

[bob3141]

no fruit n2 only n3

[bob3141]

since you claim fruit vendor and since you cant be based on jjd role.

Thus anyone tracked to me would be outed as scum. If you vended to e.g.araon it woudl be tracked to aaron.

If soemoen other than tchill died he had teh chance to track teh night kill

[bob3141]

if a player is rb it as if no action was taken.

Thus if teh action failed the player performed no action taht could be tracked

[bob3141]

Thus thats 2 out of 15 players tchill could track if cliff is scum. (16th alive is himself) If cliff is scum he aint fruit vendor

And you have one confirmed town in teh deck. so thats 2 in 14.

And if his scum reads were rigth scum would want to kill him. So its odd to assume cliff that rick is scum because he didnt die

[bob3141]

Okay look this is kind of an insane request but given the state town is in right now (very bad imo unless the traitor implies a small number of scum compared to what we might expect)

Can you guys just like assume I am town while you discuss things and lynch me? I NEED to be lynched and you guys REALLY SHOULD just assume we now have 4 conftown because that's the only real benefit I can provide right now. I know it's asking a lot but fuck I dont want to see everyone talking about if I'm scum and what that means for the game when it's not the case. Then this day is just town making cases/associations etc based around WRONG INFO.

I am town and I need to die. Just please trust me enough to assume I'm not lying, dave, carc, billy, and PROBABLY bob are TOWN.

Personally I think there's at least 2/3 scum in dalton, eevee, texcat, garmr, and hopkirk

Of course dave and carc are town they are confirmed town. Dave by mod and and carc by mason kill. But you are 100% wrong on billy.

You need to case me, because your shade on me throughout this game has been incessant for at least the past 2 days. I think it's been since I voted you.

I agree. I cant see anyway that garmr isnt scum. He sticks out so much when i analysised every vote cast to make my vc

[bob3141]

garmr has been soft pushign outs for cliff and at teh time trying to set billy up for teh next head on chopping block.

We know there is fruit vendor so if cliff flips scum it woudl have no bearing on billy alignment yet i do see garmr tryign to float the opposite

[bob3141]

Eve got anythign else to add

[bob3141]

That would actual be bad mistake to assuem your town cliff. The correct thing to do is to look at things as if you were both scum and town. As if you are scum any speculation about you flipping town would be pointless. But with both scum and town conditions atleast we have one even if oen does get discarded

[bob3141]

Going to do teh vote counts for day 2 tommorrow if i have time

[bob3141]

do you mean rooster or gooble

as rooster only made 4

[bob3141]

Cliff if you were town shoudnt you first thought come day 4 of been why JJD didnt get fruit.

[bob3141]

how would teh scum take account of it?

[bob3141]

Even so how would this affect prior nights and night 3.