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I'm starting to realise my game play is heavily influenced by my mood.

this happens to me too. it is an emotional game tbh

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playermeta is weird, but i guess if youve literally never seen it if the samples big enough you have a chronic sample

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btw your avatar is really cute

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while i am a half-cat i dont hurt mice ^.^

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Gamma is NOT scum

tbh i agree with you on this

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idm day 1 its just not always as entertaining. but its still a part of the game

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Gamma is NOT scum

tbh i agree with you on this

Eevee, what are your thoughts on the game as a whole?

i think its going rather well, havent seen much that pings scum yet, everyone seems friendly too

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Hectic. Name 5 or more normal/non-bastard roles. all but one of which aren't your role, and one that is. Randomize the order. I want to see if I'm right about you.

Bulletproof Jester
Survivor Miller
Lynchproof Lyncher
Town Bus Driver
Mafia Day Vigilante

irl. Unless you know to the contrary?

I remember specific examples of him doing it as town for sure, but can't actually specifically remember him doing it as mafia. I feel like he has done so though.

interesting how all are different factions, idk how to take this information though. nice list though

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I'm starting to realise my game play is heavily influenced by my mood.

this happens to me too. it is an emotional game tbh

so what mood are you in now then

Im in the mood to vote some up.

VOTE: Eve

I actually really like this post

i also like this post, though my meta probably wont work as well here as it does on PS! but i can still try it out

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Didn't realize this game had started... High people.

About time! We've all been anxiously waiting your arrival.

Or, at least I have

Thanks carca. Will be devoting time to this game this weekend and will be all caught up.

The players list is a who's who of ppl I've enjoyed playing with. Whether I've voiced that about someone in particular before or not.

So I do not plan on letting this one get away from me.

Doesn't look like anything crazy has happened yet.

Soldier i hope youre ready for war against the scum, a war that will cost many lives but we will win. Because we are determined to crush them.

Scum if you are listening we are coming, you cannot stop us. Kill 5, 10, 50, hundreds of us and we will still rush and bombard you until you have nothing left. We do not accept surrender. We only accept total devastation.

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i hope that was crazy enough ^.^

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oh btw my sleep schedule is a complete and utter mess so ill be on at random times lol

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i hope that was crazy enough ^.^

Good gosh. It's a good thing judge dredd is gonna help us in a war like that. Between dredd, the wild cowboy and a Lilly of the carca variety town should win this... There will be sacrifices (unless flawless town victory of course)

But they will not be in vain.

vict'ry is never flawless. we may not lose bodies, but we will lost men in other ways. Mentally, emotionally, spiritually.

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psure those are like signature ideas or smth

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VOTE: davesaz

Also townreads on gamma, carcalilly, tchill13. I wont be lynching them so dont ask me too.

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Also i lowkey think there is a vig

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Which is my point. Don’t prematurely lock anyone.

You mean townlock right?

Are we talking about setup now?

Preferably not. I like to focus on play thanks.

Cant we do both~?

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I’m an Informed Miller, there are no loyal modifiers in this game, and there are 4 scum

The actual hell lmao, i was legit thinking there would be an informed townie lol

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What is a loyal modifier? Afraid I haven't heard of that one.

Loyal= can only target people of ur faction
Unloyal= can only target people not of ur faction.

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Inspecting a miller claim is wasting the inspect, just decide if you believe it not

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In this edition of carca's bus ride takes way to long: counting how much of Eevee's posts is just fluff.

80- excuseable because it's your first post
277- extremely generic comment
278- really sweet, but still
287-see 278
308-extremley generic comment #2
393- dramatically generic comment #3
395- self explanatory
398400402
817- generous but doesn't have that much to offer

I feel like you're taking this extremely casually, like youre speaking to people on some friendly Minecraft server. Is this how you always treat your games? How many have you played? By no means do I want to attack your sweet and friendly attitude but the reality of this game is that it can be grueling in the fact that you win it by psychology cracking people open.

I WILL go over the rest of your substantial posts, that's a promise on my gravestone, just let me eat a snack first because I just got home. I just needed to get these out of the way first and display the numbers, or so they say.

Has ELA answered this yet? I'd like to speak on it myself

Havent yet thanks for reposting it just awoke from a 15 hour nap

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1) it really depends on the other people involved. Im used to everyone being immediately aggressive and pushing things really quickly so here is a change of pace. Though it also throws off my natural scum detector.

2) god ive lost count of how many games ive played. Not a ton here but on my main site....god im probably around 5-6 digits. Ive never gotten the nerve to host here tbh.
3) and yes i know to win you need to crack deep into some brains. The thing is humans dont like being psychologically read. So you need them to feel comfortable.

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Gamma is NOT scum

tbh i agree with you on this

Eevee, what are your thoughts on the game as a whole?

i think its going rather well, havent seen much that pings scum yet, everyone seems friendly too

Valid opinion. Laced with something that's both confusing and off. What's "well"? Its amusing to read? Well because people are nice? Well because it seems like we're solving the game? Because of valuable discussion? Its so vague.

Ok, but anything that seems odd? Nothing at all? How about town reads? Is there anyone that's particularly good? Friendly is good but is that the only thing you noticed?

What I'm saying is that this is one of the most simplistic ways to answer that question.

I'm starting to realise my game play is heavily influenced by my mood.

this happens to me too. it is an emotional game tbh

so what mood are you in now then

Im in the mood to vote some up.

VOTE: Eve

I actually really like this post

i also like this post, though my meta probably wont work as well here as it does on PS! but i can still try it out

Gamma is excused for liking the post but the "like post" sheep is out of place because you're being voted. What about being voted for is appealing to you? Do you agree that you need to post more content?
Is the meta relevant? Would it help us read you? You kind of just dropped this completely after a while.

VOTE: davesaz

Also townreads on gamma, carcalilly, tchill13. I wont be lynching them so dont ask me too.

Would it be too much to ask why. Particularly on the davesaz vote.

The rest of your posts consist of relevant, but minimal setup spec. It's the majority of what you end up commenting about. Why not comment about the

players

or what's actually going on? Part of me wants to believe that you're new to this whole thing, part of me thinks it's scummy as fuck. If pushing you will help you to try just a little bit harder, it'll be worth it. Prove me wrong. Please.

1) i mean well as in its smooth and natural progression.
2) i have a very simple rule: people who townread me are normally scum. Because my methods arent always the most sane. Though like i said it might not work as well here. I don't mind being lynched. Staying cool under pressure keeps your mind clear to find flaws.

3) i didnt like daves posts that much. Specifically the fact he seemed to push a couple people including gamma without really tossing a lynch out or finishing the conversation.

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Let's go ISO by ISO and provide a short summary of each player because I'm bored and I feel like I haven't really analysed this game in any substantial way yet

I feel like some of these will be easier than others but what the hell...

1 Kop:
I'm surprised about his interest about my RVS vote, probs NAI though
Notable comment that he expects more than 1 NK
Naked vote on roster - note to self check later as this out of context when in ISO mode

2. Billy Pilgrim
Hehe liverpool fans on top of the player list - I'd lol if I was #3 (or jjd)
I get the carcass vote in context of first few pages
I also like that he retracts upon explanation
Note to self double check the supposed carca pm slip thing, assume negative due to no press but curious anyway...
Note to self - check why billy might like JJD

3.Cliff Booth
The main thing from this ISO is I wonder what I was close about Hopkirk with.. Cliff?

4. Rick Dalton
I have a way to read Rick which says town so far, wont be revealing my secrets here

5. Sharon Tate
Largely inactive. Did google the real sharon tate and read about her murder, you learn something new every day

6. Hectic
Miller claim, I'll make a call on this when some conflicting wagons and stuff make hectic pick a side. For now its irrelevenant
Interesting that he says I have picked guessed his alignment previously...

Eevee
My gut feeling is we do not see things in a similar way, is that AI? Unsure so far

Gamma
I dunno, always struggle to read gamma:(


Tired now. More later

It depends. How do you see things?

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1) it really depends on the other people involved. Im used to everyone being immediately aggressive and pushing things really quickly so here is a change of pace. Though it also throws off my natural scum detector.

2) god ive lost count of how many games ive played. Not a ton here but on my main site....god im probably around 5-6 digits. Ive never gotten the nerve to host here tbh.
3) and yes i know to win you need to crack deep into some brains. The thing is humans dont like being psychologically read. So you need them to feel comfortable.

Now for my input, I generally recall ELA as a decent scumhunter but I think on mafiascum specifically she can be a bit sociable beyond what dome might seem normal? Idk that's my impressions

Im still "decent" its just over time ive both gotten more gutheavy-reads and still can have a hard time putting thoughts to paper. Especially when a game goes fast. Its kinda why mafiascum interests me. I can actually think things through just a little more. But i need to learn some more of the meta and how people function here. Its easier to read someone when they dont know you're watching.

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1) it really depends on the other people involved. Im used to everyone being immediately aggressive and pushing things really quickly so here is a change of pace. Though it also throws off my natural scum detector.

2) god ive lost count of how many games ive played. Not a ton here but on my main site....god im probably around 5-6 digits. Ive never gotten the nerve to host here tbh.
3) and yes i know to win you need to crack deep into some brains. The thing is humans dont like being psychologically read. So you need them to feel comfortable.

Now for my input, I generally recall ELA as a decent scumhunter but I think on mafiascum specifically she can be a bit sociable beyond what dome might seem normal? Idk that's my impressions

We're all a "bit sociable" but that's not exactly the word I would use. I'd use "lax"

I'm always a fan of the dramatics one would say. When its a tough 1v1 in lylo and both players push back and forth. I love being in a 1v1. I don't like being the confirmed. I know games rarely get to that state but when they do my heart races and pounds like a million bunnies.

But to answer you question, im a little lax yeah. But thats more of a sense of calm before a storm.

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Also for me rosters last post was three days ago. No point kicking a dead chicken. See what the sub does and push someone who's actually gonna speak back.

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I don't like Hectic dropping out like that.
Lots of slots in prod range.
Fake claims are

fun

but don't really help solve.
Setup spec in a closed game before any flips seems pointless at best, and harmful is more likely.

VOTE: rosterfoster seems like a good place to poke, for now.

It is no longer a good place imo,

Also to everyone voting them, if they come back you can always get back on, hell id probably join you if they dont have a good reason.

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Ok, reading 12 pages for a start is also something new I guess. Will just go on with what stuck to me.

Hectic is hard to read with this memeing behaviour, however I feel a townie mindset is recognizable between all this. I felt particularly in the beginning he tried to sort some players and his votes looked to me like they a had a constructive intention. I guess.

YAG is also giving me kind of positive vibes. More for the development of her thought process on Hectic after him trying to sneak into the town-bloc thing, I feel like scum wouldn't really bother to share this doubt.

Don't like Elements so far. He is one of the top posters here which makes him look quite active but most his posts feel hollow/don't contribute much at all. VOTE: Elements

This slots v/la also ends today. With this being the more important of the two. I would like to see their first thoughts on everything as a whole but maybe first the last 5 pages first.

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bob, who's your current vote on and would you be willing to join us on roster?

I think the rooster wagon is just a bad wagon. Cant see any justification for it even gettign to 3 votes let alone 5. Or how you tried to push it 6.

This is a 21 player game. A wagon of 5 is not pressure.

agreed... tbh I'd encourage some wagons, roster or otherwise as that will help the game sort itself out a bit.

Id prefer otherwise tbh. As it stands a roster flip probably wont be very useful anyway. Since partners might have jumped on to bus a flaker. Or he could just be town who got busy.

Anyone know if hes site-gone or just game-gone?

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interesting how all are different factions, idk how to take this information though. nice list though

This post completely overlooked that the list it was replying to included zero valid roles.

Sorry- im still not 100% used to having a "normal" set of roles. Mainsite has basically anything viable in os/cs styled games except a few exceptions(ofc it still has to be balanced)

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Seeking replacement for Skellen

Huh. O.k than

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I almost forgot you were here. Do you agree with us or just saw someone else do it and thought, why not?

The latter

I should add I have only really skimmed the thread.

Yeah this is coming up on 72. Only 5 hours left before this is proded.

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I guess but still it seems like a waste of time. What are your plans if he does get subbed?

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Yes but not much to determine which is scum. Since theres no defense

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I'd prefer a wagon to be on someone who can defend themselves. Even if he gets subbed, the sub wont know his reasoning, or why hes gone.

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A second lynch is always interesting. Though im curious. Who else will hop on

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bob, who's your current vote on and would you be willing to join us on roster?

I think the rooster wagon is just a bad wagon. Cant see any justification for it even gettign to 3 votes let alone 5. Or how you tried to push it 6.

This is a 21 player game. A wagon of 5 is not pressure.

agreed... tbh I'd encourage some wagons, roster or otherwise as that will help the game sort itself out a bit.

Id prefer otherwise tbh. As it stands a roster flip probably wont be very useful anyway. Since partners might have jumped on to bus a flaker. Or he could just be town who got busy.

Anyone know if hes site-gone or just game-gone?

roster has made some posts though so i'd rather we build up a bit of a wagon and when he gets prodded he comes in to a situation where there is a need to deal with stuff rather than just go 'oh yeah hey that guy is probably scum see you in 5 days'

His..."posts" are of little true use and content. And like i said. Im willing to vote him too, just not atm. If his next post isn't good I'll get on. Though im hoping his sub will bring something useful.

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My defense of him is purely for altruistic reasons. Id hate to be a sub, subbed into a slot thats almost dead. Wouldn't you?

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So if someone's first post is "hey guys I'm a bulletproof JOAT survivor with a loyal Miller modifier" it's a-fuckin-ok to talk about it.

What's a Loyal Miller Modifier?

Side-note. Loyal Miller could be that it only inspects guilty to cops of its own faction. I might use that one day

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My defense of him is purely for altruistic reasons. Id hate to be a sub, subbed into a slot thats almost dead. Wouldn't you?

Why would I sub into a slot that's almost dead?? Just have the town lynch it and get it over with.

Thats a little sad to be honest. I mean he could be a pr just as much as he could be scum? Its really a matter of perception

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I am incredibly greatful your step-up game Eevee

I'm glad all it to was a little nudging.
I fear I might have to do a lot more for Tchill :/

Sometimes i get a bit distracted and read things without actually posting my thoughts. Sorry

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bob, who's your current vote on and would you be willing to join us on roster?

I think the rooster wagon is just a bad wagon. Cant see any justification for it even gettign to 3 votes let alone 5. Or how you tried to push it 6.

This is a 21 player game. A wagon of 5 is not pressure.

agreed... tbh I'd encourage some wagons, roster or otherwise as that will help the game sort itself out a bit.

Id prefer otherwise tbh. As it stands a roster flip probably wont be very useful anyway. Since partners might have jumped on to bus a flaker. Or he could just be town who got busy.

Anyone know if hes site-gone or just game-gone?

roster has made some posts though so i'd rather we build up a bit of a wagon and when he gets prodded he comes in to a situation where there is a need to deal with stuff rather than just go 'oh yeah hey that guy is probably scum see you in 5 days'

This is a terrible justification of wagoning Roster but would be a good justification for a Cliff wagon. Whether people join this wagon isn't alignment indicative in any well I can tell?
Do you have a problem with those posts or is it basically a random wagon? I feel you/Dave are switching between these two approaches the wagon. @Dave too

I don't like Hectic dropping out like that.
Lots of slots in prod range.
Fake claims are

fun

but don't really help solve.
Setup spec in a closed game before any flips seems pointless at best, and harmful is more likely.

VOTE: rosterfoster seems like a good place to poke, for now.

It is no longer a good place imo,

Also to everyone voting them, if they come back you can always get back on, hell id probably join you if they dont have a good reason.

If rosterslot ends up being scum we have a candidate for partner here?

Are you saying you can't think of any reason that town would have a problem with voting a random inactive?

I'd prefer a wagon to be on someone who can defend themselves. Even if he gets subbed, the sub wont know his reasoning, or why hes gone.

When you say 'won't know his reasoning' what do you mean? I thought you were arguing he hadn't done

anything

yet, so reasons wouldn't need explanation?

My defense of him is purely for altruistic reasons. Id hate to be a sub, subbed into a slot thats almost dead. Wouldn't you?

I thought you said there wouldn't be any pressure on the new sub since the votes have no backing? What sucks about subbing in, I wouldn't treat it as serious votes.

-Hop

His reasoning for not being here his reasoning for having done nothing.

It is true the votes have no backing, but its still a weird spot to be in

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He could have had an emergency or device issues. Its not 10p% a flake reason.

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I never said it was alignment indicative?

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You missed my point. The sub wouldnt be able to answer those questions. They would only be able to read from a post-post perspective. So asking them anything about roster wouldnt get you anywhere

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Idk if they did. If they didnt than they have even less reason to be on him.

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besides that I have a little list, in order. town top.

gamma
hectic/

Dave

garmr
yag/profi
Bob/billy
Jjd
Dalton/Kop
Eevee/Eleme
Cliff

hopkirk

/tchill

I'm aware I haven't explained the lowest end much yet. I'll do that someday.

Fixed this for you.

That being said I don't understand why gamma is a top town read.

Could you explain your dave townread?

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VOTE: Carcalilly

Why are people voting Carca

It's a better alternative to my old reaction to things that upset me.
UNVOTE:

This slightly upsets me. At least toss in another lynch if you're gonna back off so easily

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I'll consider it, im a fan of compromise.

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Btw, what does FoS mean? Field of Suspects?

Finger of Suspicion
Don't think it' on the wiki but it's a very common thing on my homesite

Its on the wiki psure.

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unofficial vc

Elements(5): Hopkirk, Rick Dalton, Cliff Booth, Titus, Sharon Tate
Rick Dalton(3): Elements, Gamma Emerald, AaronFrost
Cliff Booth(3): Carcalilly, Hectic, Billy Pilgrim
Tchill(2): Garmr, YOUAREGREAT
KOP(1): bob3141
Hectic(1): Profii
Billy Pilgrim(1): KOP
Davesaz(1): EeveeLution Army

Not voting: Davesaz, Tchill, Judge Joseph Dredd

I think i missed smth why so many people on elements

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I can brag too. It doesnt exactly show your alignment.

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Ive actually won as scum with never doing any night actions and got town to self-destruct before but that was a long time ago.

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I guess it can make sense if you're trying to set an established meta for yourself.

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But like its a bit of a stretch

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Some games are similar but i think thats more because of how much i play

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The problem is you can use that fact as scum to. Its why i dont always trust playermeta

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Hmm. While i normally dont trust d1 investigation claims i will let that slide for now. But im watching you

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I asked you what your definition of a crumb is. Like, if I said "Beware the PGO", you don't think that's a PGO crumb from me?

please dont mention pgos. i have ptsd from the number of times ive hit a pgo lmao

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im not really sure what to think of the watcher claim. its a weird fakeclaim for scum since watcher always felt better for a scum than a town. and cop/tracker would be better roles to claim here right? its easier to excuse not dying since a doctor can save them easier while i dont think a host would let a watcher doctor combo happen without super strong scum prs. all together i think we should let him be today. but if theres a vig feel free to shoot him.

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If elements is Red PR, it probably means JJD is scum protecting him

im unsure if this applies but, scum have so much time to craft a fakeclaim. i think the things carcalilly are pointing out might be sloppy town. but im not sure how well he can fakeclaim on the fly

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And watcher?.... Who gives a fuck about a watcher? Lol. I doubt it's true. Lynch it with fire. He's just gonna say he's town and that he fake claimed D2 or 3.

Because it is easier to choose who is likely to be targeted by scum at Night than it is to determine who performs the scum kill,

Watcher is considerably more powerful than Tracker

. In addition, because having the name of a scum to lynch is better than having someone confirmed Town due to being targeted by the Mafia kill,

Watcher is more powerful than Doctor

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That's an excerpt from the wiki. Also, Tracker can track someone to a night kill, but can't guarantee they were the only one to visit the victim. Unless "Ninja", the Watcher can tell us whether the victim was targeted by only one person, thus can get a hard guilty on their own.

Thank you.

actually watcher can only psuedoclear someone. since the ninja thing also applies to watcher.

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If elements is Red PR, it probably means JJD is scum protecting him

im unsure if this applies but, scum have so much time to craft a fakeclaim. i think the things carcalilly are pointing out might be sloppy town. but im not sure how well he can fakeclaim on the fly

Exactly. Scum have so much time.

But Elements got caught out prior to that time coming so he had to look for and make due with his start of the setup.

We got him before he had the time

youre saying a week isnt enough time? i can probably think of 5 okayish fakeclaims in around an hour if im not being too rushed

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normally i think of a fakeclaim the second i get my role. then adjust it as necessary as more roles are shown

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to be honest CFKD is my favourite gambit

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if he claimed doctor i probably would have lynched him instantly, but watcher is such a strange claim here. though it is a normal game so the pool is nowhere near as wide

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aww so sad. but wrong answer VOTE: elements

sorry but you have lost the game :[

the correct answer was: simple watcher

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My plan is lynch cliff -> lynch elements if cliff flips green -> lunch tchill

lunch? idk. Depends where you want to go.

I didn't.... *Sigh* I guess maybe after the game. Arby's?

ouch, prefer dairy queen personally

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I didn't know what macho did until I checked it on the wiki just now. I thought it was some strange flavor thing that I didn't understand.

sad i know most modifiers and roles off the top of my head, even obscure as hell ones like bloodhound

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yeah i wish there was an option to pause the updated forum thing

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Elementis if you are town always check the wiki. Thats teh first thing i would expect any player to do. Just looks liek your trying row back

im more disappointed he didnt ask the host

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aww so sad. but wrong answer VOTE: elements

sorry but you have lost the game :[

the correct answer was: simple watcher

If you’re scum bussing, you’re deep wolfin. This post actually made me laugh.

But yeah, don’t let this leave lylo alive.

aww i made someone laugh. that makes my day

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a little chitchat while we wait. i actually made a non-normal theme but im too lazy to host it here cause it seems hosting is much more different here than my main site.

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what's your main site?

its actually in my wiki profile. Pokemon Showdown! Mafia room

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im pretty sure its something vague but i cant think of much that would cause him to think its one shot. maybe something like uh novice? no that doesnt sound right.

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what's your main site?

its actually in my wiki profile. Pokemon Showdown! Mafia room

Wait what. there's a mafia room on showdown?

yeah.

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f elements flips scum and not scum watcher then he probably doesn't have experienced partners obline

with the amount of subs and prods. by pure probability one is scum

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is me guessing and you saying yes or no allowed?

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if you figure out if it is is it some weird wording like "once per game" or "during a night" if it isnt allowed just dont answer

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i wonder what the title of this means.


also i would 80% think this was a jester if it wasnt here

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honestly its scary how easily i can win as lyncher/jester, i can do nothing and win as lyncher lmao

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does anyone have anything they wanna talk to me about? kinda lonely

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platinum or black 2

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if only the hp bar wasnt soooo slow

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that too. i still play it with my second playthrough; my first i got stuck on the puzzle in distortion world

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I am not a fan of Bob. He initially voted for Elements for reasons 'setup spec'ing very early' etc

He then left the wagon, but came back when the lynch actually went through and when he put his vote on he said he didn't believe the macho/one shot claim.

My concern is that if I am casing a slot for being scummy I'd be like "woah guys I'm voting elements because he was setup speccing over in this post, plus now look at this macho claim it's gotta be BS" - i.e. case the whole ISO for a scum evidence - Bob didnt mention his initial setup spec concern when he votes due to his claim concern, which makes me believe he is looking for a reason to be on the wagon rather than actual scum hunting properly.

VOTE: Bob3141

Obviously I will hear him out but I'm just going to vote there for now.

I've looked at Tchill's ISO and someone is going to have to take me through the case here, he doesn't come across super town of the players I've looked at so far but I dont think he is the most scummy either at this point unless I've missed something of course.

That seems pretty reachy to me. Are you going to pick out everyone that voted for elements early in day one. By the time elementis made his watcher claim i was already sorting him as town. With me even calling out those who continued to push him.

Wasn't with till after his one shot macho watcher claim plus himself voting that made me reluctantly vote for him.

Straight watcher i believed. Macho watcher could be possible role but no townie should have mentioned the macho bit. Added to all that self voting. It just looked bad for town

Oneshot talk tipped me over the edge when it came to voting for him. I cant see why he mentioned that as he flipped just a macho watcher. I wonder if he was responding to once

per a night

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I find it odd you overlook my scum hunting aswell. Did you not think kop has been scummy this game. Has he not done anything in your opinion to justify my vote on him before the wtacher saga. For you to think that doesnt even count as scum hunting.

He has yet to answer any of my points i think

I honestly think he shouldn't have said macho. He was in a really bad position as either faction. I probably shouldnt have voted him myself but i really wanted a lynch to go through and he became too much of a liability unfortunately.

[EeveeLution Army]

Wait, if we know Garmr lied about his target, what was going on there? And if he lied about his target why aren't people voting him? I feel like 90 percent of this game is like 3 miles over my head.

VOTE: Garmr

Pedit: shit Garmr lying about a PR this feels familiar.

VOTE: tchill

I didn't lie about my target I lied about my result but

carralilly acted daft

and didn't realise I was trying to protect her by creating a imaginary doctor for scum to hunt after......

Also the fact the mod said

no result

instead of

action failed

made believe my action was a success.

Psure no result means the role was stopped someway. "Nothing targeted" would be the correct format for a null inspect right?

[EeveeLution Army]

Hold it. Why does tchill have 5 exactly?

[EeveeLution Army]

Yes the best reason
Being unlucky

[EeveeLution Army]

The wiki and I have returned to solve this game.
Hey, Carcalilly, did you know that there are OTHER wikis outside of the mafiascum one? I know, right?!

So am now currently trying to read every single wiki I can find before I really dig my molars into this game.
Do you have any good recommendations?

Boom beach wiki might help

[EeveeLution Army]

Don't worry, friends. I will help you find the rails once more.

I believe the most recent topic of discussion was Eevee asking the following question:

Hold it. Why does tchill have 5 exactly?

At first, I thought she was asking why Tchill had

exactly

5 votes. But under closer inspection, I quickly realised that what she was actually asking was very different.
Her true question was: Why does tchill have 5, exactly?

Notice my sly addition of the comma? You can thank wikipedia for teaching me how to use those.
She's not asking why Tchill has that exact number of votes on him, but why he has a large number on him at all.
I've been absent for a while, but I tried to answer this question as best as I could in a previous post. I fear my explanation was lacking though.

Aaron, I know you're a man a guy can rely on when times are tough.
Could

you

explain to Eevee and perhaps even me why Tchill has 6 votes on him?
Thanks Aaron, you're the best.

Actually i did mean specifically 5

[EeveeLution Army]

@Rick Dalton

Do you not think that a neapolitan basically has negative town utility in a role madness game? Specifically in a game that no one knows is role madness?

Not if there actually is a Vanilla and you find it.

Actually if somebody is a Vanilla Townie, they should claim it.

That way, Cliff can check them, and they can become conf town.

This seems somewhat pointless. There are way too many variables for you to assume this

[EeveeLution Army]

I kinda wanna push titus but i dont have any particular reason to

Has he claimed anything real yet.

[EeveeLution Army]

VC 2.1

Tchill13 - (7):

- gobbledygook, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr

bob4131 - (2):

- profii, Alonzo

Garmr - (1):

texcat

Hopkirk - (1):

AaronFrost

Not Voting:

Kop, Rick Dalton, Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Judge Joseph Dredd, Carcalilly, davesaz, bob3141

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

id say theres at least on scum on me atm. maybe 2.

hop and cliff is where id look first.

more so hop.

billy is prob town thats just going with the flow. idk about the rest.

What do you think of the sidewagon on bob?

[EeveeLution Army]

Hm. I need a third person on my never lynch list. I lost gamma

[EeveeLution Army]

Make your case why he should be imo

[EeveeLution Army]

Whats funny is i have done a cs before with a neapolitan and the only vt in the game was a mafia role that inspected as vt called a Lazy Goon

[EeveeLution Army]

I know that. Im just stating a fact.

[EeveeLution Army]

Hmm. I can see that.

We are somewhat confident a doctor or jker exists because of one kill.

If its doctor they should be on mason

[EeveeLution Army]

I like this guys moxie

[EeveeLution Army]

There was only one kill last night right?

[EeveeLution Army]

I actually couldn't remember exactly but i was pretty certain about it

[EeveeLution Army]

It was quite clear he had put himself into a corner. And i doubt anything i said would have managed to pull off the lynches required to get someone else lynched. Me thinking he was town couldnt save him. Also better safe than sorry just incase it was a terrible slip as scum

[EeveeLution Army]

I didnt realize the mason and the ascetic claim were one in the same

[EeveeLution Army]

It was quite clear he had put himself into a corner. And i doubt anything i said would have managed to pull off the lynches required to get someone else lynched. Me thinking he was town couldnt save him. Also better safe than sorry just incase it was a terrible slip as scum

So you thought he was town and was going to get lynched. But why not then simply try and push another lynch and only switching to elementes when deadlien approached. Afterall we had a 4 day extension due to players needing to be replaced

I seriously doubt that it would have made a large difference. That or hed still be highly suspicious and we could have mislynched him on a worse day.

[EeveeLution Army]

If there arent 2 possible kill outlets than scum must be stupidly stacked

[EeveeLution Army]

Maybe that one game where its 4 mafia but split into two teams i cant think of the name

[EeveeLution Army]

If there arent 2 possible kill outlets than scum must be stupidly stacked

But who is this we

Everyone in the game and/or specifically town?

[EeveeLution Army]

Like i said i wanna push titus but i dont have any real reasoning. Its just a feeling i have.

[EeveeLution Army]

I honestly think he shouldn't have said macho. He was in a really bad position as either faction. I probably shouldnt have voted him myself but i really wanted a lynch to go through and he became too much of a liability unfortunately.

Reminding myself to check a few things.
1. How much time was available at the point in the wagon of Eevee's vote?
2. Was there really time pressure? The mod implied an extension, did that happen before or after the vote? Was there posting after the vote?
3. Did Eevee state a concrete position at that point in time?

Not the only vote I'm planning to look at, but comfortably in the middle of the list.

Titus, good to hear and yes rest for sure!

We had a bona fide tornado warning and funnel cloud sighting right in my neighborhood about 45 minutes ago, which makes 3 this week in southern AZ.
It broke up pretty fast and no effects at my house, but I had a nervous drive home.

Post 1) have you checked on those things yet and if so could you state some. Youve put yourself in an awkward position

Post 2) i dont know what to think about this but im trying to tie dave and titus together

[EeveeLution Army]

is the site extremely laggy for anyone else?

[EeveeLution Army]

What do you think of Billy's VT claim?

I can see it as an opportunistic claim from mafia but it would put them in an extremely bad situation unless scum has a way to stop nea. If he is vt idt we should lynch him but its a tough call

[EeveeLution Army]

Scum has to wait to make sure no one else is gonna claim their fakeclaim

[EeveeLution Army]

When did i push a lynch on billy? Show me

[EeveeLution Army]

profii should be there if he isnt.

Idt you ever answered me why he should be there.

[EeveeLution Army]

Also we currently only have 2 REAL claims correct? Or am i mistaken?

[EeveeLution Army]

Can you postpone the hammer until we get answers for the above questions

[EeveeLution Army]

Or three days left on dl. Whichever comes first

[EeveeLution Army]

I didnt ask for your accursed claim. Just answers the questions.

[EeveeLution Army]

So we now have 2 inspection role claims.

[EeveeLution Army]

Hmm. I guess so. But its weird to claim voyuer. Though im probably getting CFKD'ed

[EeveeLution Army]

I dont know what that means, where is hectic with the wiki

Cute Fuzzy Kitten Defense. Its my favourite gambit.

Where you claim something so ridiculous people have no choice but to believe it to some capacity. I just find voyuer a strange claim personally. Maybe thats just me though

[EeveeLution Army]

If the gimmick of the game is to have lots of similar roles then having all 3 (watcher, tracker, voyeur) isn't a counter at all.
If the gimmick of the game is to have one of those be scum, I believe the claim under duress a whole lot more than I believe the unnecessary early claim with result.

Then its possible we have the other ones too. Follower and motion detector

[EeveeLution Army]

meh might as well full disclose as I can't really answer that... I am the backup tracker, so to be fair, i could exist without a tracker existing but that seems stupid. I am obviously town but I dont know if backups have to be the same alignment as the actual dude

UNVOTE: T-chill

I will trust you on this one.

so are we saying a role and it's backup must be aligned ? Because if that isn't true, Tchill can be scum here

Also - i just looked back and tchill hasnt said what he did on N1, so before we let him off the hook, we should get him to say what he chose to do as this may inform us better i think

this could be a tit for tat type of game

[EeveeLution Army]

im gonna guess the setup is smth like

watcher tracker voyuer follower mason mason doctor vt vt vt backup tracer backup doctor third party role(perhaps 2) restricted ninja
plus whatever else we might have later. we could also have a roleblocker vig more vts or something else. also either doctor or backup doctor / tracker backup tracker could be scum theoretically and technically anything else in there but the masons.

note this is a wild guess on the things we dont know but basing on the info we do have. also it could be upwards to 5 vts or as little as 1 and a goon.

[EeveeLution Army]

oh there could also theoretically be some sort of redirection role if those exist in normal. i think bus driver does. and if its town its more than likely compulsive

[EeveeLution Army]

how does tchill town = me scum?

[EeveeLution Army]

i wouldnt mind a dredd vote either. adding to the death list

[EeveeLution Army]

I'm starting to not feel anxious about Titus but I don't know why.

I can dig this. Theres a few posts that are a bit like "this post could be scummy, but might not be"

As in, I need to manufacture a reason to vote here, but also need to backtrack later

VOTE: titus

i think i can push this vote now.

[EeveeLution Army]

Eevee has 129 posts.

how many posts i have matter because?

[EeveeLution Army]

carcalilly win game for us now y/y

[EeveeLution Army]

tchill is on my never lynch list hopkirk. along with gamma carcalilly. ive been looking for a third to add. someone suggested profii which i dont mind.

[EeveeLution Army]

tbh i thought you and KOP were the same person for a while LMAO

[EeveeLution Army]

well. someone had given context that they were planning on hammering. if i had said nothing its entirely possible he would have gotten hammered anyway.

[EeveeLution Army]

using neutral tones allows you to reach more people.

[EeveeLution Army]

i never mind dying. since im normally unnecessary. and i doubt its lylo. but titus dave and MAYBE dredd as mafia. carcalilly tchill profii probably town.


though who was the doctor claim again? i keep losing track of that.

[EeveeLution Army]

he reasserted the claim recently psure

[EeveeLution Army]

i just went to the generic term. if u know who did could u tell me maybe?

[EeveeLution Army]

oh also. im unsure but im pretty sure theres more males than females in game. so it was a safe guess

[EeveeLution Army]

i just went to the generic term. if u know who did could u tell me maybe?

Rick. Doesn't change my read on him.

The search this thread (idk if this works on mobile which I guess you might be on) came up with it.

oh thats a thing? normally i go page to page and search for keywords

[EeveeLution Army]

i love ideas tbh. but its a bit overplayed on my main site. i even made a version myself.

[EeveeLution Army]

tbh i thought yall couldnt agree whose name goes first so you went with hopkirk and k(irk)(h)op

[EeveeLution Army]

I still think Eevee is scum btw.

who do you think would be my most likely partner if i was scum? or are you thinking werewolf/sk?

[EeveeLution Army]

well thats a bit out of nowhere? idk if thats hammer. but could you explain that?

[EeveeLution Army]

Unofficial, corrected, and probably wrong (but hey, at least it's here) VC

Alonzo - (5):

- Cliff Booth, bob4131, Garmr, profii, Judge Joseph Dread

EeveeLution Army - (3):

- Rick Dalton, AaronFrost, gobbledygook

Garmr - (2):

- davesaz, texcat

Judge Joseph Dread - (2):

- Carcalilly, Titus

Tchill13 - (1):

- Hectic

Hopkirk - (1):

- Tchill13

gobbledygook - (1):

- Hopkirk

profii - (1):

- Alonzo

Not Voting:

Kop, EeveeLution Army, Billy Pilgrim

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

Why's there still an eevee wagon going on.

-Hop

Why wouldn't there be? Did Eevee do something to change their minds? I'm still willing to

hop

er, jump back on her. And I noticed while doing the VCs that she has never voted toDay.

you werent on me at this time. nor did you shift at this point so why now?

[EeveeLution Army]

or is me voting after this suspicious to you?

[EeveeLution Army]

though ive given my reads. so my usefulness is closing in to little. if being useless is the reasoning i can see that. idc about dying. could you explain though? you seemed to get off me at some point. meaning your opinion changed?

[EeveeLution Army]

i thought i was higher lol. closer to 6/7/8.

[EeveeLution Army]

the thing i quoted was 3 days ago. for context.

[EeveeLution Army]

Right now, I think Alonzo has a high chance of being scum due to the last second counter on EEarmy

Btw a shorter way to say my name is ela. If that helps people.

[EeveeLution Army]

VOTE: Alonzo

We need to consolidate

Just get back on Eevee and we won't have any trouble.

How are you happy with Alonzo and Eevee wagons? Are you thinking the scum weren't able to drive a single wagon the entire day (when there's probably ~5?) I guess I could see that with some of the suspicious inactives.

-Hipkork

Depends on prs. We started with 21 right?
16v5 15v5v1 16v4v1 15v6 17v3v1


Less likely is probably 16v3v2 15v3v3 or 15v4v2

[EeveeLution Army]

If vig does exist. It might not

[EeveeLution Army]

i didnt really escape lynch? idk what thaat even means in this scenario

[EeveeLution Army]

if this flips red what are potential partners people who lynched this

[EeveeLution Army]

whats like the lead reason to scumread me? my weird tone? or lackluster activity overall?

[EeveeLution Army]

idt the claim matters anymore tbh

[EeveeLution Army]

i dont get how you went to confirmed scum yet didnt answer my question?

[EeveeLution Army]

the ones above

[EeveeLution Army]

77-78

[EeveeLution Army]

wait, was alonzo the doctor claim from earlier?

also.....your read on me hasnt changed at all since yesterday?

[EeveeLution Army]

Vig should shoot Eevee.

I agree with this. Titus is still a null for me and we can sort her tomorrow.

like i said idc about dying. but lynch titus tomorrow when i flip :>

[EeveeLution Army]

I mean i really doubt theres more than 6 scum.

[EeveeLution Army]

Even with the reveal of a traitor its unlikely. Also uh did gobbledy ever claim/soft neighbours?

[EeveeLution Army]

I mean i really doubt theres more than 6 scum.

but your talking about combinations. How does that help town.

Just looks like your scum trying to probe for any traitors

I mean it could if we get more info. Combinations can be helpful.

[EeveeLution Army]

See how he voted for titus then never realy did anything after that.

Makes me think he wanted to avoid lynching alonzo as he migth thought he was teh traitor. see how teh entire time he was probbing set ups rather than scum hunting

what are you talking about...? idt scum would know a traitor even exists. also ela is an easier way to shorten my name. (sidenote the "teh" procs my ocd. idk why you always type the like that)

[EeveeLution Army]

Like i said i wanna push titus but i dont have any real reasoning. Its just a feeling i have.

see at no point did he actualy give a reason for titus vote.

If he only had feeling and no reasoning why was his vote there all day 2

Even when he finaly voted titus. all he said i can vote here now.

Now added reasoning

Cant see his titus vote being anythign other than a vanity vote

yeah i never really had good reasoning on titus. but i still think hes scum.

but what do you mean by vanity here pride or worthless?

[EeveeLution Army]

wait. i just realized carcalilly is alive. our wincon is pure

[EeveeLution Army]

like i said. scum are titus and dave

[EeveeLution Army]

VOTE: EeveeLution

If this is role madness, I think that makes it more likely Tchill is town.

Wait this isn't replaced?

though im not sure if hed kill that slot.

[EeveeLution Army]

Profii isn’t scum

Wait what. Hopkirk why are you voting me?

Alonzo OMGUS voting Titus is bad bad bad

I am thinking Titus town right now. But I have been massively fooled by her before so I’m paranoid about this read.

Hopkirk dances on vanity wagons a lot.

We have a lot of vanity wagons going on right now to be fair.

Remember everyone, the big shoots titus tonight.

How do you know a vig exists? Personally I prefer Eevee. I feel like their reaction to getting voted “oh you hammered” was fake.

[EeveeLution Army]

heres some posts i found interesting. and its also like 50% of his posts lol

[EeveeLution Army]

VOTE: Tchill

That vote hopping was opportunistic as

oven

.

this was also his first day 2 post

[EeveeLution Army]

wait. i just realized carcalilly is alive. our wincon is pure

Sorry, I don't get this. Do you have a different wincon than I do?

carca is our 100% clear.

[EeveeLution Army]

hmm. that makes sense for 2869 as posted above

[EeveeLution Army]

Also - I think I reciprocated 2869 as i believed the claim

could you search if he mentioned titus in your chat, also if he thought i was doctor why was he pushing my lynch?

[EeveeLution Army]

well....im not a doctor, and hes a rolecop(note afaik rolecop cant get alignment)

[EeveeLution Army]

i dont get how im exactly scum here smh

[EeveeLution Army]

A bit too obvious dont ya think?

[EeveeLution Army]

On Rick
1st: seems meaningless.
2nd: feels too on the nose. Definitely a traitor crumb, not convinced it's a message to Rick specifically.

Hopkirk
1st one: Relevant context is that I gave those comments about everyone.
2nd one: That sounds like Gobble is asking why I scumread Tchill which I hadn't actually said at that point.
3rd: Not sure what you're pointing to there.

Gobble doesn't vote Eevee until the Eevee wagon breaks down a bit.

Given Gobble said to Profii that he wanted to check Eevee or me, I can see him having the plan to check and defend Eevee afterwards.
@Profii: how exactly did Gobble present his picks to check and did he argue much for an Eevee check? He'd have had to either tell you that Eevee had a gun (scum) or not afterwards based on his fakeclaim.
He needs to make it look like he's against Eevee day end to do that, but doesn't consider joining the Eevee counterwagon when it starts again, moving to Alonzo instead to 'consolidate'.

-Hop

Are you saying he knew who all his partners were from the start?

[EeveeLution Army]

cause he flipped rolecop not cop

[EeveeLution Army]

A bit too obvious dont ya think?

@which post?

The 4 scum post

[EeveeLution Army]

On Rick
1st: seems meaningless.
2nd: feels too on the nose. Definitely a traitor crumb, not convinced it's a message to Rick specifically.

Hopkirk
1st one: Relevant context is that I gave those comments about everyone.
2nd one: That sounds like Gobble is asking why I scumread Tchill which I hadn't actually said at that point.
3rd: Not sure what you're pointing to there.

Gobble doesn't vote Eevee until the Eevee wagon breaks down a bit.

Given Gobble said to Profii that he wanted to check Eevee or me, I can see him having the plan to check and defend Eevee afterwards.
@Profii: how exactly did Gobble present his picks to check and did he argue much for an Eevee check? He'd have had to either tell you that Eevee had a gun (scum) or not afterwards based on his fakeclaim.
He needs to make it look like he's against Eevee day end to do that, but doesn't consider joining the Eevee counterwagon when it starts again, moving to Alonzo instead to 'consolidate'.

-Hop

"Check" means nothing since he claimed gunsmith to him right? Or did he claim the investigation gunsmith not the give dayvig gunsmith

[EeveeLution Army]

On Rick
1st: seems meaningless.
2nd: feels too on the nose. Definitely a traitor crumb, not convinced it's a message to Rick specifically.

Hopkirk
1st one: Relevant context is that I gave those comments about everyone.
2nd one: That sounds like Gobble is asking why I scumread Tchill which I hadn't actually said at that point.
3rd: Not sure what you're pointing to there.

Gobble doesn't vote Eevee until the Eevee wagon breaks down a bit.

Given Gobble said to Profii that he wanted to check Eevee or me, I can see him having the plan to check and defend Eevee afterwards.
@Profii: how exactly did Gobble present his picks to check and did he argue much for an Eevee check? He'd have had to either tell you that Eevee had a gun (scum) or not afterwards based on his fakeclaim.
He needs to make it look like he's against Eevee day end to do that, but doesn't consider joining the Eevee counterwagon when it starts again, moving to Alonzo instead to 'consolidate'.

-Hop

Are you saying he knew who all his partners were from the start?

Mafiascum style traitors know their partners from the start but their partners need to find them.

Oh ive seen it either way

[EeveeLution Army]

Idk. The kill makes no sense. Why gobbley over the confirmed mason. Or the doc claim

[EeveeLution Army]

The roleflip makes it very clear he knew his partners.

gobbledygook

has died during the night. He was:

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, ____, to Large Normal 223. Your role is Mafia Traitor Rolecop Neighbor

You are a Mafia Traitor. The remainder of your scumteam is [REDACTED]. If you are the last remaining member of your scumteam, you will be endgamed by town.

Once, during the night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn that player's role.

You are part of a neighborhood [HERE], in which you may talk at any time while you are alive.

You win when either mafia control half the vote during a Day phase or when all townies are dead, or nothing can prevent one of these scenarios from happening.

Oh i just read the role. Mb

[EeveeLution Army]

Scum doc on Eevee makes sense to why our vig didn't shoot successfully last night

Are you suggesting im doctor because gobbley said he thinks im a scum doctor?

[EeveeLution Army]

Which again, im not doctor

[EeveeLution Army]

Tchill13 has requested replacement.

Timing of this is awkward, but I don’t wanna use that as a thing

Tbh who knows when he actually asked. The hosts been a bit here and there if you catch my drift

[EeveeLution Army]

i never mind dying. since im normally unnecessary. and i doubt its lylo. but titus dave and MAYBE dredd as mafia. carcalilly tchill profii probably town.


though who was the doctor claim again? i keep losing track of that.

[EeveeLution Army]

@Eevee What are your opinions of JJD?

[EeveeLution Army]

how about this. if something weird happened last night, would you tell me? what if I said please

I already told you I doused you. Just sit tight and wait for ignition.

But seriously, if something "out of the ordinary" happened to you I am not responsible. If it's something that can be expected in a Normal game then I did it.. whatever it is.

aww youre arsonist? i physically cant kill you now cause arsonist is fun. the only thing funner is omnicidal lumberjack

[EeveeLution Army]

Note: IF there's a Vig, please shoot the Aaron slot (EVEN if they replace out. Don't let that slick move fool you).

Also if there a STRONG Investigative (i.e. Something like a Cop or a Gunsmith, not a Tracker or a Motion Detector); please do "consider" investigating Titus. I'm not telling you what to do. Just please take that option into consideration. Thank you.

P-edit: U would have accepted a vote on almost anyone, but not the claimed Watcher!!

what did you mean by this btw. do you scumread titus or just null

[EeveeLution Army]

Hmm....a traitor in a neighbourhood with a scum can actually be interesting. But that only works if neither knows the other is scum. Which someone pointed out isnt the case. Unless its a traitor and a sk.

[EeveeLution Army]

Gunsmith is an investigation role thats flavour is gun/not gun.

[EeveeLution Army]

On my home site its also common as a role that grants a dayvig/vig shot but it expires at the end of the phase

[EeveeLution Army]

Idt im lynching atm. If this is hammer i shall hammer in exactly 24 hours unless something happens in short. Intent to hammer :3

[EeveeLution Army]

Like i said i wanna push titus but i dont have any real reasoning. Its just a feeling i have.

see at no point did he actualy give a reason for titus vote.

If he only had feeling and no reasoning why was his vote there all day 2

Even when he finaly voted titus. all he said i can vote here now.

Now added reasoning

Cant see his titus vote being anythign other than a vanity vote

yeah i never really had good reasoning on titus. but i still think hes scum.

but what do you mean by vanity here pride or worthless?

Is it just a gut feeling? Anything in particular that's causing you to scumread Titus?

Its mostly gut from alot of small things. I do forget if titus has claimed however. So that could loosen or tighten my ideals

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Any chance he rolecopped you?

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it would still track them even if they failed to give them fruit.

I believe this is incorrect. I know a roleblocked tracker target would he seen as going no where so i assume this extends to just basic role failure