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Post Post #37 (isolation #0) » Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:22 pm

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Sup guysssssss
Ego ooo
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Post Post #38 (isolation #1) » Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:25 pm

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VOTE: Cyrus
Lolol pis of kek game
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Post Post #44 (isolation #2) » Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:00 am

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In post 42, Vorkuta wrote:They're all RVS and NAI votes.
If anything, cyrus is all but guaranteed to not be the lynch today as a result
Someone prove this wrong guyz it'll be funny I promise
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Post Post #53 (isolation #3) » Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:03 am

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VOTE: Cyrus

L-1
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Post Post #78 (isolation #4) » Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:59 am

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In post 60, cyrus62 wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 53, shos wrote:VOTE: Cyrus

L-1
fake vote are you even talking or helping the game move along or just hoping for a quick lynch?
In post 62, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: shos you want to tell us why you voted twice like do you have more then one vote or something?
Is this guy a complete newbie or did we really just pick scum in RVS correctly?
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Post Post #108 (isolation #5) » Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:47 pm

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In post 105, Doctor Drew wrote:Well for now I will say.... there most likely is a cult.

And I may be helping the cult recruit.
Keep it sikrit for the while
At least until I am recruited
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Post Post #204 (isolation #6) » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:01 am

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In post 111, RCEnigma wrote:Korina being cult was 100% a joke. But I
When you think bastard you think cult so.
yo RC
Could you explain what you were starting to write but apparantly tried to delete miserably or something here
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Post Post #209 (isolation #7) » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:37 am

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Not Known 15 wrote: The vote named ??, marked with a green color, comes from someone aligned with the town.
In post 0, Not Known 15 wrote:This is the Text of Truth color: #0000FF . Do not use it.
Anything written in the Text of Truth color is guranteed to be correct unless I make a mistake(mod error)
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Post Post #212 (isolation #8) » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:38 am

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[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=11298390#p11298390]post 203[/url], Not Known 15"]
[color=#0000FF]The vote named ??, marked with a green color, comes from someone aligned with the town.[/color][/quote]
is true
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Post Post #214 (isolation #9) » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:40 am

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It is unlikely that if cult, there's more than 1. As an old mod, I'd say 10-2-1 T-S-C is legit, and considering the bastardness there perhaps may be a cultist backup who doesn't know it or something.

Who was the first to bring up cult in the first place, though? Did this happen before someone said they have a negative utility regarding cult?



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First time, and making it obvious for everyone
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Post Post #215 (isolation #10) » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:42 am

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Although it appears post # had that too so I'm just incompetent a bit. Probably cuz I haven't played in 2 years.


oh boy I get to create a new meta now
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Post Post #219 (isolation #11) » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:45 am

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Intriguing.

@RC:
What made you talk about cult there, precisely? Did you automatically assume bastard=cult, or is this based on some previous mod meta?
also please answer .
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Post Post #222 (isolation #12) » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:46 am

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In post 218, gameplay506 wrote:So
Does 1 cult whatever and 1 cult recruiter who is town make sense?
a town recruiter? This is too setupspecy for me. we'll have to completely guess the mechanics for this to work. I'd leave that line of thought
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Post Post #229 (isolation #13) » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:51 am

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In post 124, Doctor Drew wrote:In a nutshell, every night I am alive some one randomly(I have no say in the matter) is recruited into a cult. This happens the first two nights, and maybe the third. Also I cannot be one of the recruits.
I missed this somehow

I kinda think this is a lie tho

what sane, even bastard, mod would use such a role; the townie will surely claim D1 and be lynched, thus turning the cult into a non-recruiting minority which is too small if at all, or...something.
I'm gonna bet jester, or backup of some sort infolving korina.

On another note, does anyone know why the game is called "E Bastard"?
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Post Post #255 (isolation #14) » Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:05 pm

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VOTE: dr Drew
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Post Post #311 (isolation #15) » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:49 am

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oh it'll be funny if scum is recruited into cult

but we don't even know if there is any scum this game, and you are possibly a threat to town as well, lol.


@RC, you still haven't answered 204 have you
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Post Post #312 (isolation #16) » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:49 am

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BTW guys it's Yom Kippur today so I might not be too active in the next 24 hours
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Post Post #375 (isolation #17) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:36 am

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I can live with either a PMyst or a Drew lunch

RC please answer 204 or I'll vote you forever.
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Post Post #378 (isolation #18) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:38 am

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In post 313, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 269, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 204, shos wrote:
In post 111, RCEnigma wrote:Korina being cult was 100% a joke. But I
When you think bastard you think cult so.
yo RC
Could you explain what you were starting to write but apparantly tried to delete miserably or something here
Korina likes cult and cult is like probably the main reason they signed up.
But I

.....

I don't see how this answers me
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Post Post #382 (isolation #19) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:16 am

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Guys one more time
I'm not talking about the korina part

Are you saying that the "but I" was an autocorrect insertion?
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Post Post #466 (isolation #20) » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:26 pm

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Hi guys im.on hotel WiFi and my phone is blocked it appears so only now i manage to send messages. Ill post what I wanted soon.
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Post Post #467 (isolation #21) » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:27 pm

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By now I'm thinking perhaps it is best if we treated this game as a normal game and ignore Drew's claim. After one night we will be much smarter, know of people die, people will have stuff to say most likely... So we can leave Drew alive for now.

With that in mind, some people I definitely will not lunch. But as it stands there are multiple people if I count correctly whose name I don't even remember. I'd consider lynching there, with deadline pushing so soon.



This was.supposed to.be posted about a.day ago. Sorry for.that.
Ill read up and respond.soon.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #22) » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:31 pm

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I can go.on.board with a PM Lynch, although I regrettably have a bad feeling.about this
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Post Post #613 (isolation #23) » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:22 pm

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Well, the.modkill.sucks an. robs us of.much.info. But we do know Theresa a killer.

Im convinced that PM is a VI. Wuite annoyed that RC for.killed since he was active efc
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Post Post #631 (isolation #24) » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:18 am

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In post 615, Vorkuta wrote:Ooh- I also speak 'auto-correct off'
In post 614, Iconeum wrote:who's Theresa
'There is a'
So something resembling a scum!team/SK, on top of cults thats capable of performing NKs

A VI is an amazing town player who provides nuance and quality discussion, contributes analysis and reads, and all that.
Alternatively "village idiot"

Aaand shos is expressing sorrow and how they're "quite" annoyed that a helpful and active slot like RCE's was killed.
Thanks. Accurate

Also not drunk, but my hotel WiFi is blocked for spamming, so I had to post by other means and typing in my GFS phone is horribad. Now I'm just typing, send her by WhatsApp, and she'll post, so we shouldn't have the problems.
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In post 601, cyrus62 wrote:imm confused why wasn't their a lynch
Typically (oh no I'm looking at the wiki to get my information!!!) If you get modkilled, the day either ends/continues to punish your faction
Mafia modkill = day continues so town gets an extra lynch opportunity
Town modkill = day ends

This is in-line with my working theory of korina being the ???
In post 602, cyrus62 wrote:also rce saide he would shoot vork and hes dead any ideas?
-He threatened to shoot 2 other people as well IIRC- like chickadee
-your subtle attempt at throwing shade is bad and you should feel bad
Yes, this is lovely and I like vorkuta
Also I completely forgot that a thing like a serial killer exists, so that definitely may be an option. Seems more balanced to me to have an SK+cult than mafia+cult.
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Vote Count 1.4shos (1)cyrus62;

Chickadee (0)

Doctor Drew (4)Chickadee;shos;RCEnigma;gameplay506;

PMysterious (1)Iconeum;

nomnomnom (0)

Iconeum (0)

cyrus62 (2)Doctor Drew;Vorkuta;

RCEnigma (0)

Baezu (0)

Vorkuta (1)nomnomnom;

gameplay506 (1)
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Not Voting (3)Baezu;Chemist1422;PMysterious;

It's 7 for a majority lynch.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2019-10-12 16:02:00)

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This is the last vote count before the topic was locked. The vote count after that (where there was a modkill), notice that there is no question mark.
this is a good observation which cements my feel that PMyst is town.
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Post Post #632 (isolation #25) » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:18 am

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Oh hey cool I can post
Guess my IP changed
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Post Post #633 (isolation #26) » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:21 am

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This is close to the text of truth, but not exact due to the rules preventing me from showing the exact color. This is #00FF40. Just one number away from the exact color.
Nay, color.is easily decipherable by quoting. No such shenanigans will be used by any good mod
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Post Post #634 (isolation #27) » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:23 am

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In post 630, cyrus62 wrote:calling out vork icon and pm as scum team a simple vote count and reactions and actions of d1 and d2 will tell who is scum.
Huh what
I don't like you
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Post Post #662 (isolation #28) » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:58 pm

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VOTE: nom[\v]
BTW I think we shouldn't lunch Drew.. assuming cult, it puts us in a 3 cult 1? SK(2? Scum?) Tomorrow which is bad. Just let's try to hit the bad ones, and hope the bastard roles is for our best
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Post Post #663 (isolation #29) » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:03 pm

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VOTE: nom
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Post Post #677 (isolation #30) » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:19 am

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Lol nom your vote on me is such OMGUS

Do you really not understand the difference between d1 and now? Here is a partial list of stuff that I now know that I didn't before:
1. There is a killing faction, probably beside a cult
2. Korina was the owner of the ? vote, and his modkill ended the day, therefore most likely town

These mean that if we today lunch town on purpose, we might be starting tomorrow with 4 dead townies and possibly 2 cult-recruited.

On my count, that means, at worst, we are PAST lylo, and at best with a 6-2-1 formation which is horrible
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Post Post #681 (isolation #31) » Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:12 am

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In post 678, nomnomnom wrote:Yeah and your vote still doesn't have a justification to be on me you just followed a random dude calling me scum and now you're caught with your pants on fire lol
No actually my vote was only intended to add pressure and see how you react. In this case, how you overreacted, which in retrospect gives good reason for my voting! Yay!
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Post Post #682 (isolation #32) » Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:14 am

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In post 680, gameplay506 wrote:Ok I did a really lazy skim of those 10+ pages I missed
VOTE: Drew
I still see no reason for us not to get this out of the way first.
If this flips town, Icon is probably scum for the cheap attempt at earning towncred yesterday off the Drew slot and the flimsy switch of vote to him today
If it flips anything cult related, I still stand by my cyruscult theory
Also the guy pushing Drew's lynch yesterday the hardest is now dead
Literally the best lynch in terms of info and mechanics for today
Please read this and react

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1. There is a killing faction, probably beside a cult
2. Korina was the owner of the ? vote, and his modkill ended the day, therefore most likely town

These mean that if we today lunch town on purpose, we might be starting tomorrow with 4 dead townies and possibly 2 cult-recruited.

On my count, that means, at worst, we are PAST lylo, and at best with a 6-2-1 formation which is horrible
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Post Post #697 (isolation #33) » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:59 am

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Moar voats on nom
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Post Post #706 (isolation #34) » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:14 pm

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VOTE: Cyrus
MaynI ask what the duck is this fishing for claim for absolutely no reason?
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Post Post #751 (isolation #35) » Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:33 pm

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Haven't read all so far but I'm officially back home now so yay
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Post Post #752 (isolation #36) » Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:36 pm

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In post 748, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: doctor drew if he flips town it confrims that gameplay and shos is scum
Huh
Explain?

I do think that he is town so...
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Post Post #753 (isolation #37) » Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:37 pm

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Ohh I shouldn't be posting in 3 am
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Post Post #772 (isolation #38) » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:01 am

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VOTE: nom
cyrus is cult, but they can't recruit anymore so let's kill the scum that can kill and let the other scum kill cyrus
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Post Post #773 (isolation #39) » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:02 am

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In post 766, Formerfish wrote:Ego?
You can call this one a 'egah' post. It's literally a combo of ego and bah
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Post Post #776 (isolation #40) » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:37 am

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In post 774, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 770, gameplay506 wrote:Why are we in LyLo?
What takes more effort- ISO'ing me to find the post where I do the math or actually doing the math? :P
Anyway
13 players- 9:3:1
D1= 8:3:1 (rip Korina)
N1= 6:3:2 (NK + Cult)
D2 = 7:3:2 (rip Drew)
N2 = 6:3:2 (rip FFish)

Now my issue is that I refuse to believe that Drew was the ONLY role that is useful to the cult.
Such a setup would be quite broken with a D1 kill of their only recruiter.
Also there could be an actual third party (survivor? jester? idk)
That's why I'm going to put a "wild-card" role which could be literally anything but town

D3= 5:3:2:1 => idk but not good IMHO
a game with a cult cannot have 3 mafiosi. 10:3 is balanced, 9:3:1+ is not. surely, we are now at 5:2:2
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Post Post #777 (isolation #41) » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:37 am

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In post 775, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 772, shos wrote:and let the other scum kill cyrus
why would.... *scratches head*
obviously because cult know their partners and are thus more likely to vote scum than townies?
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Post Post #812 (isolation #42) » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:19 pm

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Why is the former kill pointing to icon?

I'm a VT too. And when I said 5:2:2 I again forgot that SK is a thing. Hopefully we are at 6:2:1
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Post Post #831 (isolation #43) » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:29 am

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Guys, can we lynch nom nom nom? Tanks.
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Post Post #857 (isolation #44) » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:08 am

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In post 840, Vorkuta wrote:I swear he selectively reads what captures his interest and ignores the rest
finaly a thinking person

guys the whole "lets try to guess how many VTs are in the setup" thing is not going to work for you, this game is bastard, you still haven't had a non-town flip and you have absolutely no idea about the setup, whether there is or isn't a cult at all, whether there is a serial killer, or two even/odd night ones, or a scumteam, etc etc. STOP THIS.

I was against a massclaim initially, but then you all just decided oh sure why not and claimed before I even opened the site to read at work on my phone. What did we learn from this? nothing.



vor why did you quote the mod post

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Post Post #859 (isolation #45) » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:17 am

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Read here.
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In post 663, shos wrote:VOTE: nom
In post 665, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 663, shos wrote:VOTE: nom
Actually this vote was so bad and he contradicts himself in his ISO about how to handle Drew so this needs to go. Either you're really bad as town or you're openwolfing.

VOTE: Shos
In post 666, nomnomnom wrote:Imagine voting Drew all of yesterday and now saying "lol let's not do that" and jump on a completely unrelated wagon without any kind of justification whatsoever just because someone else did it. That's just a pretty scummy move.
In post 671, nomnomnom wrote:-snip that says someone else is scum-

....It doesn't matter right now though, Shos vote and justification is extremely scummy. Let's go there.
In post 677, shos wrote:Lol nom your vote on me is such OMGUS

Do you really not understand the difference between d1 and now? Here is a partial list of stuff that I now know that I didn't before:
1. There is a killing faction, probably beside a cult
2. Korina was the owner of the ? vote, and his modkill ended the day, therefore most likely town

These mean that if we today lunch town on purpose, we might be starting tomorrow with 4 dead townies and possibly 2 cult-recruited.

On my count, that means, at worst, we are PAST lylo, and at best with a 6-2-1 formation which is horrible
In post 678, nomnomnom wrote:Yeah and your vote still doesn't have a justification to be on me you just followed a random dude calling me scum and now you're caught with your pants on fire lol
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In post 678, nomnomnom wrote:Yeah and your vote still doesn't have a justification to be on me you just followed a random dude calling me scum and now you're caught with your pants on fire lol
No actually my vote was only intended to add pressure and see how you react. In this case, how you overreacted, which in retrospect gives good reason for my voting! Yay!

So, basically, someone voted you - I jumped the bandwagon for pressure. You start havoking, you posted 9 of the 12 posts after my vote. You accused me of being scum for changing my mind about drew, but when I explained you completely ignored this, agree disagree whatever, all you cared about is that I voted you. That's classic scum thinking all about themselves with a titbit of pressure.

or an SK, that would make it even better.
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Post Post #860 (isolation #46) » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:18 am

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In post 858, nomnomnom wrote:I don't care what your feelings are. We are massclaiming.

Claim a role and popcorn to someone who hasn't claimed. This is why I wanted you to claim first so you don't have to do this charade.
You do realize I've already claimed, yes? And why would you want to bestow on me the whole who claims next when you're oh so sure I'm scum?
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Post Post #863 (isolation #47) » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:52 am

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nomnomnom wrote:
In post 860, shos wrote:You do realize I've already claimed, yes? And why would you want to bestow on me the whole who claims next when you're oh so sure I'm scum?
Please point it out.
oh surely you missed this right
In post 812, shos wrote:Why is the former kill pointing to icon?

I'm a VT too. And when I said 5:2:2 I again forgot that SK is a thing. Hopefully we are at 6:2:1
honestly
it is hard to
In post 813, nomnomnom wrote:Popcorn it to someone else, shos
not miss
nomnomnom wrote:huh right I think you claimed but you need to popcorn it
you "think" I claimed?

and oh boy I need to popcorn, but I didn't want a massclaim so, I guess we're stuck! right? because whenever I scumread someone I let them decide the future!


also you completely ignored me again
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Post Post #884 (isolation #48) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:40 am

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Why? What if there are 7? 6? 5? 8? This doesn't help
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Post Post #904 (isolation #49) » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:01 am

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Oh just quit it with the massclaim bullshit guys
this game is a short deadline game and you're all wasting time on this crap. Setup spec will give you nothing, especially in a bastard game.

If not nom, then perhaps anyone else, could perhaps state their opinion on the post where I wrote why we should lynch nom?
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Post Post #937 (isolation #50) » Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:01 am

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In post 923, Iconeum wrote:nothing stopping you from hunting the scumz?
This.
You ignore the game. Completely disregarded what I said.

And if you scumread someone why do you trust your future with them? That's stupid. You're trying to waste time by saying that the game cannot progress instead of actually scumhunting. It's even funnier because it's not like you're waiting on a claim; you're waiting on MY CHOICE of who claims next, it's hilarious and in my 100+ games I don't recall anything similar happening.
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Post Post #938 (isolation #51) » Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:19 am

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Peoples, please ISO me and see ISO 45+.

Then vote nom
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Post Post #940 (isolation #52) » Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:10 am

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Here's an idea: YOU choose who goes next! because I don't care, as I've repeatedly said! whoo! Even after everyone claims it's not like you're going to get anything out of it.

and what exactly am I accusing you of that I am doing? I've told you exactly why I scumread you , and you've completely ignored it despite me asking you multiple times to react - hence the vote.
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Post Post #944 (isolation #53) » Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:59 am

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In post 940, shos wrote:Here's an idea: YOU choose who goes next! because I don't care, as I've repeatedly said! whoo! Even after everyone claims it's not like you're going to get anything out of it.

and what exactly am I accusing you of that I am doing? I've told you exactly why I scumread you , and you've completely ignored it despite me asking you multiple times to react - hence the vote.
In post 942, nomnomnom wrote:Vork, just claim pls honey thx
Alright, from now on I'm just gonna ignore the thread and post again and again where nom ignores me. Until day ends, hopefully by lynching nom
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Post Post #949 (isolation #54) » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:33 pm

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In post 945, nomnomnom wrote:You're aware that's extremely anti-town correct?

What are your other reads, mister scumhunt?
Nope, it should lead town to scumread you and lynch you, which is not antitown at all

my other reads are townreads on icon and vortuka, and a cultread on cyrus
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Post Post #961 (isolation #55) » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:19 pm

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Guys, I did not stonewall the massclaim - I claimed. Nothing prevents people from claiming if they feel the need to. I have explicitly said I think the massclaim is stupid multiple times, though.

Also I'm not in general ignoring him, but he seems to keep ignoring me, so I can simply repeat what I said and hope that he might, in some way, respond.
Since you asked it too, I'll answer - I don't remember exactly why cyrus is cultread, but I recall that I formed that read based on cyrus' thoughts and treatment of the whole Drew circus.
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Post Post #986 (isolation #56) » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:29 am

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It's amazing how 9/11 are not voting and we've gone through 60% of the day.
I'd love it if anyone ever responded to my posts to which I refer again and again
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Post Post #987 (isolation #57) » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:30 am

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Also quit blabbering setup specs. You've wasted zillions of time already on it and once again, nothing ever guarantees that any of the guesses is true. Even if we are theoretically in lylo, it's not versus 1 team so effectively we can still progress normally and tomorrow will be lylo..
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Post Post #990 (isolation #58) » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:52 am

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In post 988, Vorkuta wrote:I take some responsibility for discouraging wagons due to quickhammer fears.
But now..... :/
At super worst scenario there's a scumteam of 3.
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Post Post #995 (isolation #59) » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:32 am

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In post 992, cyrus62 wrote:flip me if you like but after words look in to vork shos and icon if not icon game play. i said it alot no night actions that was my chumb i am vt. vork could be scum so could shos i have some doubt inn icon being scum . so now with this being said 5 to lynch vote me if you want but after i flip trust my reads.
This guy is definitely not town lawl :lol:

But I'm still betting on him being cult and not scum, so he's for laterz. If there's a vig...
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Post Post #996 (isolation #60) » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:32 am

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In post 994, cyrus62 wrote:vork your right on one thing we lose today if we pick wrong.
I'll need an explanation for this
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #61) » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:59 am

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In post 998, cyrus62 wrote:
In post 996, shos wrote:
In post 994, cyrus62 wrote:vork your right on one thing we lose today if we pick wrong.
I'll need an explanation for this
9 - 3 = 6 - 1 cult = 5 we lynch aka me that leaves 4 vs 3 - 1 nk 3 vs 3 we lose
Come again?
9 alive; let's say we lynch a townie, and a townie is shot dead. Now we have 7 players, 3 are a scumteam, and the other 4 are against said scumteam. Error?
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Post Post #1007 (isolation #62) » Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:29 am

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In post 1003, Vorkuta wrote:He thinks it might be 5:3:1
This is still not an autoloss, lol. An SK/cult will obviously want to lunch scum too
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Post Post #1018 (isolation #63) » Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:32 am

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In post 1008, Vorkuta wrote:It depends on wincon wordings

Town is "all threats"
Any chance this is a townslip?

also re:content - bastard games can be very unique, and with cult, you can expect fewer scums, and better odds because...(see below)
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In post 994, cyrus62 wrote:vork your right on one thing we lose today if we pick wrong.
I'll need an explanation for this
9 - 3 = 6 - 1 cult = 5 we lynch aka me that leaves 4 vs 3 - 1 nk 3 vs 3 we lose
Come again?
9 alive; let's say we lynch a townie, and a townie is shot dead. Now we have 7 players, 3 are a scumteam, and the other 4 are against said scumteam. Error?
we let doctor live day 1 read his flip there is a cult now its not good for town and that puts us to 3 v 3 we lose vork is right
...because cult are also not good for scum, therefore it is possible that they will be the scum shot and, with scum lynches, town is in lylo and not a loss
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Post Post #1019 (isolation #64) » Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:34 am

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In post 1013, cyrus62 wrote:fyi i put a time bomb on the game i am vt if vork is right if we lynch town we lose i am vt i am the only one with a vote and so when i die game over scum wins and i anit takeing my vote off the only way to prevent this is to out vote me so enjoy.
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I kinda think he's a VI too, lol. joindate is four months ago - it is possible this is literally a misunderstanding of the rules of the games - and still it's OK action if he is cult (obv)
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Post Post #1020 (isolation #65) » Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:49 am

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Since you all really seem to LOVE setupspeccing I shall participate in order to perhaps shut you up over this. I have modded bastard games before (frequently! love the shenanigans) and the possible shit you can play with is endless.

1. Karina(that was the name?) - we don't know their role. here's 1 bastard role - couldn't even post - confirmed
2. Drew - obv bastard as it helps an enemy facility
3. any start-of-game cultist is autobastard
4. if there are scums, these might be bastard
5. if there are SKs, their roles might be bastard
6. if there's town PRs, their effects might be bastard (bullshit targetting, bullshit results, etc)
7. even town VTs may be bastard in that they are, for example, secretly unrecruitable/BP/pre-emptively-chosen-to-be-recruited-D3 or something/redirector
8. ...


I could continue endlessly. We might be even facing two scumteams with alternative nightkills! We might have traitors! etc etc etc etc.
So please, halt the damn setupspec talk.


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Now, if I could please divert your attention to the where I wrote why we should lynch nom. Perhaps you missed or intentionally skipped . I think nom ignored despite me repeatedly linking to , perhaps a zillion times, maybe can explain better.

Here's one post you may have missed - but please, read the posts following it too:
In post 859, shos wrote:Read here.
Spoiler: quotes here
In post 663, shos wrote:VOTE: nom
In post 665, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 663, shos wrote:VOTE: nom
Actually this vote was so bad and he contradicts himself in his ISO about how to handle Drew so this needs to go. Either you're really bad as town or you're openwolfing.

VOTE: Shos
In post 666, nomnomnom wrote:Imagine voting Drew all of yesterday and now saying "lol let's not do that" and jump on a completely unrelated wagon without any kind of justification whatsoever just because someone else did it. That's just a pretty scummy move.
In post 671, nomnomnom wrote:-snip that says someone else is scum-

....It doesn't matter right now though, Shos vote and justification is extremely scummy. Let's go there.
In post 677, shos wrote:Lol nom your vote on me is such OMGUS

Do you really not understand the difference between d1 and now? Here is a partial list of stuff that I now know that I didn't before:
1. There is a killing faction, probably beside a cult
2. Korina was the owner of the ? vote, and his modkill ended the day, therefore most likely town

These mean that if we today lunch town on purpose, we might be starting tomorrow with 4 dead townies and possibly 2 cult-recruited.

On my count, that means, at worst, we are PAST lylo, and at best with a 6-2-1 formation which is horrible
In post 678, nomnomnom wrote:Yeah and your vote still doesn't have a justification to be on me you just followed a random dude calling me scum and now you're caught with your pants on fire lol
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In post 678, nomnomnom wrote:Yeah and your vote still doesn't have a justification to be on me you just followed a random dude calling me scum and now you're caught with your pants on fire lol
No actually my vote was only intended to add pressure and see how you react. In this case, how you overreacted, which in retrospect gives good reason for my voting! Yay!

So, basically, someone voted you - I jumped the bandwagon for pressure. You start havoking, you posted 9 of the 12 posts after my vote. You accused me of being scum for changing my mind about drew, but when I explained you completely ignored this, agree disagree whatever, all you cared about is that I voted you. That's classic scum thinking all about themselves with a titbit of pressure.

or an SK, that would make it even better.
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Post Post #1022 (isolation #66) » Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:59 am

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Post Post #1024 (isolation #67) » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:45 am

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In post 1020, shos wrote:Since you all really seem to LOVE setupspeccing I shall participate in order to perhaps shut you up over this. I have modded bastard games before (frequently! love the shenanigans) and the possible shit you can play with is endless.

1. Karina(that was the name?) - we don't know their role. here's 1 bastard role - couldn't even post - confirmed
2. Drew - obv bastard as it helps an enemy facility
3. any start-of-game cultist is autobastard
4. if there are scums, these might be bastard
5. if there are SKs, their roles might be bastard
6. if there's town PRs, their effects might be bastard (bullshit targetting, bullshit results, etc)
7. even town VTs may be bastard in that they are, for example, secretly unrecruitable/BP/pre-emptively-chosen-to-be-recruited-D3 or something/redirector
8. ...


I could continue endlessly. We might be even facing two scumteams with alternative nightkills! We might have traitors! etc etc etc etc.
So please, halt the damn setupspec talk.


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Now, if I could please divert your attention to the where I wrote why we should lynch nom. Perhaps you missed or intentionally skipped . I think nom ignored despite me repeatedly linking to , perhaps a zillion times, maybe can explain better.

Here's one post you may have missed - but please, read the posts following it too:
In post 859, shos wrote:Read here.
Spoiler: quotes here
In post 663, shos wrote:VOTE: nom
In post 665, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 663, shos wrote:VOTE: nom
Actually this vote was so bad and he contradicts himself in his ISO about how to handle Drew so this needs to go. Either you're really bad as town or you're openwolfing.

VOTE: Shos
In post 666, nomnomnom wrote:Imagine voting Drew all of yesterday and now saying "lol let's not do that" and jump on a completely unrelated wagon without any kind of justification whatsoever just because someone else did it. That's just a pretty scummy move.
In post 671, nomnomnom wrote:-snip that says someone else is scum-

....It doesn't matter right now though, Shos vote and justification is extremely scummy. Let's go there.
In post 677, shos wrote:Lol nom your vote on me is such OMGUS

Do you really not understand the difference between d1 and now? Here is a partial list of stuff that I now know that I didn't before:
1. There is a killing faction, probably beside a cult
2. Korina was the owner of the ? vote, and his modkill ended the day, therefore most likely town

These mean that if we today lunch town on purpose, we might be starting tomorrow with 4 dead townies and possibly 2 cult-recruited.

On my count, that means, at worst, we are PAST lylo, and at best with a 6-2-1 formation which is horrible
In post 678, nomnomnom wrote:Yeah and your vote still doesn't have a justification to be on me you just followed a random dude calling me scum and now you're caught with your pants on fire lol
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In post 678, nomnomnom wrote:Yeah and your vote still doesn't have a justification to be on me you just followed a random dude calling me scum and now you're caught with your pants on fire lol
No actually my vote was only intended to add pressure and see how you react. In this case, how you overreacted, which in retrospect gives good reason for my voting! Yay!

So, basically, someone voted you - I jumped the bandwagon for pressure. You start havoking, you posted 9 of the 12 posts after my vote. You accused me of being scum for changing my mind about drew, but when I explained you completely ignored this, agree disagree whatever, all you cared about is that I voted you. That's classic scum thinking all about themselves with a titbit of pressure.

or an SK, that would make it even better.
btw there's also
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Post Post #1067 (isolation #68) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:09 am

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Why does everyone keep ignoring my posts
Cyrus is either cult or VI noob, and is not the focus of today
Will anyone at all ever reply to my post!
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Post Post #1070 (isolation #69) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:13 am

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please

Any comment at all


Pedit
Are you fucking kidding me
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #70) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:18 am

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In post 1071, Iconeum wrote:
In post 928, Iconeum wrote:gameplay/PM/chickadee/nomnom

contains most scum if not all
shos, what do you think about this?

i know what post of yours you want to see answered, but what do you think of Nom's latest posting? Do you think it's scum theater wrt deadline and dead game etc?
I don't have a solid read in gameplay
Pm is townie, just bad player
Chick I can get behind alynch there but only as last resort
Nom is scum. Good latest posting hasn't changed a bit about my opinion on him, and he adamantly refused to a respond to me, which I see as scum delfecting, to change the topic from himself.
Cyrus is cult, I'ma lol at his "you don't have proof" argument for.which he voted me xD
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Post Post #1075 (isolation #71) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:19 am

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In post 1073, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1070, shos wrote:PeditAre you fucking kidding me
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pardon me :lol:
Ok you made me retroactively laugh loudly in my lab
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Post Post #1117 (isolation #72) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:59 am

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I haven't read this page yet

1. I agree that the game apathy is annoying. However, regarding PM, he is the only one who I have played with and if memory serves me right, he is just a bad town player (as am I mostly lol) and I wouldn't get on himscum here.

2. Honestly I haven't even tried to analyze the nightkills. I'll pay my back and say 'its ok you haven't played 18 months' and examine this tonight.

3. don't be tempted to go Lynch All Lurkers. It's too far into the game. We should ask the mod for prods or replacements
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Post Post #1118 (isolation #73) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:03 am

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In post 1116, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 1113, nomnomnom wrote:The pissed off nature is not warranted is why I think the slot is scum, unless Chickadee who I felt was REALLY pissed about what I said, so yeah.
I think it's NAI and just something about his personality.
Anti-town for sure.

But it might just be how shos reacts to things.
Also D1 & D2 goodwill
Anything specific?
I can add it to a to-examine list tonight and hopefully get it through in 10 hours from now
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Post Post #1144 (isolation #74) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:55 am

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Vote Count 3.3shos (2)cyrus62;nomnomnom;

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PMysterious (1)Vorkuta;

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It's 5 for a majority lynch.

Day 3 will end with a majority lynch or in (expired on 2019-10-29 12:03:00).


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Has my vote been nullified or did I just not vote at all today? O_o
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Post Post #1145 (isolation #75) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:56 am

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In post 1142, cyrus62 wrote:
In post 1141, PMysterious wrote:I'm back with a prod dodge (well, close to being a prod dodge). Yes, on Day 1, I was more chaotic, but in my mind, seeing the world burn was what I needed in order to see what threats lie among us. Now we know there's one scum team and a cult, it's easier to determine what needs to be done.

With that said, I don't have any good reads at the moment, so I'd have to reread to find that. Again, apologies for the absence, I just didn't have the time to post or read.
this makes me want to vote pm.
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just about every post he ever posted in any game at all made me want to vote him
it's a town VI guys
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Post Post #1146 (isolation #76) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:57 am

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Will begin analyzing shit soon. Meanwhile happy scumday Vork
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Post Post #1149 (isolation #77) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:43 am

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In post 1147, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 1145, shos wrote:it's a town VI guys
I swear one out of these 2 has to be our (ok mine- I'm the one parading it) wild card
In post 1146, shos wrote:Meanwhile happy scumday Vork
:?:
Any chance you could elaborate on what you mean by "wildcard"? I mean the best I can make of it is 3rd party of some sort, but I can't seem to fit anything other than survivor, and I mean, would I really play like this as survivor ._.
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YESZ!
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Post Post #1150 (isolation #78) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:46 am

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In post 426, Baezu wrote:I apologize I haven’t posted yet. I’ve been having some personal issues. I’m back now and will post once I catch up
Well, so much for analyzing the N2 kill. This is Baezu's only post.
Usually, when I am scum, I shoot like this (lurker, does not affect the game scumhuntingwise) when town is completely offset and I want them to keep going in the same direction.
Sadly (my fault) I can't quite say what the direction of town actually was when D2 ended as I was voting nom and you guys speedlynched Drew. Anyone can help here? This might help form some townreads.
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Post Post #1152 (isolation #79) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:00 pm

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Also - going for another angle here - I was looking at RCE's flip (VT) and right beside it it has korina revived and modkilled due to rules breakage.....But Korina hasn't broken the
sitewide
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never posted in-game
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surely we know she had a vote, and she could vote somehow through either PM to the mod (where clearly she cannot break rules) or...in a PT. Guys, has anyone had contact with Korina outside of thread?
Read the rules post carefully. It looks like there truly isn't any other way she could have broken the rules, except....quoting PMs in a PT.

We know from post by the mod that Korina was town (assuming she was the ?? vote - which makes sense because after the modkill that vote disappeared). [And also bastard role in case any of you setupspeccers is still coutning...]
She only ever voted gameplay, until post 469. Then, 11 hours to deadline, the mod locked the thread and 24 hours later modkilled Korina. Presumably, in those 24 hours the mod consulted with the co-mod or listmod and decided to modkill.


So what are we getting from this:
1. Has anyone any info about sharing a PT with korina to share?
2. Since Korina has explicitly voted gameplay thorughout the entire game, ----it is also possible that she was inside the scum PT, and was hard-tunneling there in order to perhaps get us to follow?
3. Another possibility is she thought vork was getting lynched D1 and thought/knew he was town, and considered it better that she gets modkilled instead of that lynch going through

useless so far. I'll get back to my original task
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Post Post #1154 (isolation #80) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:10 pm

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In post 1153, Chickadee wrote:7 days after Korina was mod killed, he was site wide banned from games for cheating. I don't know how/why though or if the two are connected.

I don't think focusing on Korina is the key, as it's unlikely to give us any answers. No one knows anything, and no one can confirm anything. It's all speculation.
:o

woah
well that sort of sums it
I'll still be wanting everyone to at least confirm that they did NOT have a PT with korina.
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Then there is the underlying issue of you thinking I would draw your attention specifically as scum when you're the only person that really has a clue about my play from a meta perspective. I guess Iconeum kind of counts but I'm banking on us misreading each other anyways though it's likely a stylistic thing.
Possibility he got shot because scum thought he was vig?
...RCE's iso doesn't help much. he had reads, but nothing toooooo specific to warrant a killl-for-safety. He was a good and active player, and therefore a good N1 shot. Damn it, basically.
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Post Post #1155 (isolation #81) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:11 pm

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In post 1150, shos wrote:
In post 426, Baezu wrote:I apologize I haven’t posted yet. I’ve been having some personal issues. I’m back now and will post once I catch up
Well, so much for analyzing the N2 kill. This is Baezu's only post.
Usually, when I am scum, I shoot like this (lurker, does not affect the game scumhuntingwise) when town is completely offset and I want them to keep going in the same direction.
Sadly (my fault) I can't quite say what the direction of town actually was when D2 ended as I was voting nom and you guys speedlynched Drew. Anyone can help here? This might help form some townreads.
So - peeps - help with that. Assuming Drew wasn't there; who do you think would have gotten done D2?
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Post Post #1184 (isolation #82) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:29 pm

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VOTE: cyrus
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Post Post #1185 (isolation #83) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:30 pm

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The more posts by him I read the better I feel about this
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Post Post #1187 (isolation #84) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:30 pm

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It's ok we don't need majority just plurality. That guy is just.. bad
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #85) » Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:40 pm

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I have repeatedly stated that PM is a VI in my opinion. Why doesn't anyone ever read my posts :(

I have played with PM multiple times and he always flips bad town.

My korina analysis was a happy thought I came across while reading. I typed it as I was reading along, did not k ow that there wouldn't be any point in the end, was just thinking loud. Sadly indeed that didn't help.

@cyrus: you're hilarious. I don't even recall you ever stating why you think I was scum; you also asked for 'proof' when I called you cult. Note the notation: proof, not reason. As a relatively young player of 6 months experience I think you made that mistake unknowingly, which is funny. Your reads are basically thrown in the air with no support and you haven't actually provided useful content that I can remember.
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Post Post #1212 (isolation #86) » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:48 am

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Cyrus has content which I don't like. PM had no content, mere emotional excuses. There's a difference. Also Chris we're all working etc no need for spite
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Post Post #1215 (isolation #87) » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:13 am

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He was basically anti town every time I played him lol
Being scummy is NAI for him xD
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Post Post #1216 (isolation #88) » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:14 am

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Also you're lucky you have no meta of me, otherwise I'd be offended, my scumtame is so much Superior to my townplay
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Post Post #1218 (isolation #89) » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:19 am

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Since deadline is looking, here's a readlist in case I die

Chickadee. Useless. No idea.
PMysterious. Town sadly
nomnomnom. Scum badly
Iconeum. Town godly
cyrus62. Cult madly
Why is there an extra space here...ly
Vorkuta. Towndly
gameplay506. Same as chickadee
Chemist1422. Same as chickadee

Literally one third of the game are people whose names I barely recognize after 50 pages of gameplay. Fuck..
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Post Post #1219 (isolation #90) » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:25 am

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On a quick skim of chemist ISO it looks like he has been active and possibly useful in D1 and then....pooff. any chance he is the N1 cult recruit?
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Post Post #1220 (isolation #91) » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:29 am

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Chick can be town. Actually is a good ISO skim, really
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Post Post #1221 (isolation #92) » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:34 am

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Cyrus - shos
Pm - vork icon nom Cyrus

Current VC.
Deadline is in, from this post, 4 hrs 30 mins
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Post Post #1223 (isolation #93) » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:40 am

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Huh?
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Post Post #1227 (isolation #94) » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:57 am

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What sort of nonsense are you talking about lol
If we lynch pmtown, we get to lylo

Pedit
I'd go as it is right now with nom SK, you cult, possibly someone else cult. It is hard to form cultreads
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Post Post #1231 (isolation #95) » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:44 am

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I don't understand what you are trying to say
Also I'm not 100% ok that obviously, and as it is right now I'm severely hoping to be proven wrong
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Post Post #1233 (isolation #96) » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:58 am

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Read his ISO. I haven't read it all word by word, but everything I did see gave me good vibes, or actually, never gave me bad vibes. Either he is superb scum or he is actually trying to make himself useful, and as it appears, fails
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Post Post #1234 (isolation #97) » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:08 am

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Your* lol
Thought you were cyrus
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Post Post #1236 (isolation #98) » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:15 am

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It seems :(
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Post Post #1270 (isolation #99) » Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:20 am

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welp, glad I was wrong

we can proceed with either nom or cyrus now

I like the new replacement
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Post Post #1272 (isolation #100) » Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:47 am

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Oh my gawd. You suck.
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Post Post #1274 (isolation #101) » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:42 am

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Because I'm town, obviously
In a plurality game, you should be looking probably at who jumped on the wagon for cred when it was clear that it would be the winning lynch
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Post Post #1277 (isolation #102) » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:49 am

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In post 1274, shos wrote:Because I'm town, obviously
In a plurality game, you should be looking probably at who jumped on the wagon for cred when it was clear that it would be the winning lynch
saids the one who didn't vote the lynch hoping it wouldn't have happen we just nearly got the lynch and you didn't help at all, so saying this makes you look worse.
You barely got the lynch?
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It's 5 for a majority lynch.

Day 3 ends.


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PMysterious has been lynched. Role PM
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Mafia GoonYou are a Mafia Goon.
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[REDACTED]
Your win condition:
Control 50% of the votes and/or kill all enemies of the Mafia.

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Post Post #1278 (isolation #103) » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:52 am

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In post 1209, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: PMysterious ok fine but tomorrow vote shos. im pisst off that im am being called anti town when i think i am the only one caseing the ball and posting 7 days a week even you don't do that.
Definitely looking like what I described

I'll vote Cyrus over even nom today

VOTE: Cyrus
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Post Post #1279 (isolation #104) » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:53 am

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That vote was 7 hours to deadline; and you were a 4th vote on a wagon which was not nearly going to not go through.
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Post Post #1281 (isolation #105) » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:41 am

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Hilarious
I'm not sure if he's scum or just a bad overall player right now
I have been mistaken with PM on just about the same thought though.

Cyrus, just in case you are bad and not scum, for your future games:
1. people who don't have "proof" of their claims - they are not necessarily scum
2. people who similarly don't have a "solid case" - same
3. you KNEW that the game ends in plurality if no majority is reached, so that doesn't make it "barely" or anything like it
4. "had to wait till deadline" in a 7-day deadline game where you had to wait literally 7 hours is really not an argument
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Post Post #1298 (isolation #106) » Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:42 am

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Nom & Cyrus, could you two please elaborate on what your thoughts are on each other?
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Post Post #1301 (isolation #107) » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:09 am

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It feels like nom is just following what's expected of her inthread. Said I was scum and yet "settled" on PM when this was the lynch that was appearing to be; doesn't get the point of seeing if shosscum fits with PMscum but still thinks shos is scum with PM. nom is accused of not actually thinking and suddenly oh yes I did reevaluate and nothing changed (btw you keep ignoring me?).
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In post 1128, Chickadee wrote:Nom can you elaborate on PM a bit
Just finished a game with him where he rolled a Friendly Neighbor and basically lurked the entire game, did nonsensical stuff and overall was just absent despite his role (and even worse, did not think critically of some situations involving his night actions). He's doing the same thing here so do I really want to go for a lurksack? Of course it'd be sad if the guy ended up doing this in all of his games because that'd mean that everygame you have to decide if it's worth to lynch a guy that painfully isn't active at all.

If you have evidence that PM lurks equally as bad as scum then I'll reconsider my position.
Also this is basically a PM meta-townread which was never actually refuted. Interesting how this turned to "whatever" vote PM.

also
In post 1142, cyrus62 wrote:
In post 1141, PMysterious wrote:I'm back with a prod dodge (well, close to being a prod dodge). Yes, on Day 1, I was more chaotic, but in my mind, seeing the world burn was what I needed in order to see what threats lie among us. Now we know there's one scum team and a cult, it's easier to determine what needs to be done.

With that said, I don't have any good reads at the moment, so I'd have to reread to find that. Again, apologies for the absence, I just didn't have the time to post or read.
this makes me want to vote pm.
This kinda points to cyrus being not-scum (back to cultread?) because at the time I was with 2 votes and PM had 1.
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Post Post #1303 (isolation #108) » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:38 am

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ISOing PM, honestly, he did look scummy as fuck even more than his usual badness. My bad
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Post Post #1304 (isolation #109) » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:39 am

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In post 1302, cyrus62 wrote:keep in mind icon doesn't want a lynch till they return but if there is 4 on shos then it proves either their is two scum or one other scum on them ready to hang the dead wight. that's if he flips scum however if shos flips town then its vork and gameplay and this is if its done before Tuesday if its done after Tuesday then i have to look at icon if hes flips town however if shos flips scum it clears nom.
dude what the hell are you talking about

could you
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Post Post #1306 (isolation #110) » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:58 am

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"verbal diarrhea" is correct

We are currently most likely standing in a 5:1:1 or 4:2(cult):1 so either way this is not lylo. I don't fear quickhammers. perhaps lolhammers tho
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Post Post #1310 (isolation #111) » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:31 am

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Considering the timing and status of the game during the posting of , I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and not go through him today.

VOTE: nom nom
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Post Post #1312 (isolation #112) » Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:19 pm

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If,you,can,ever,provide,any,reasoning.to.....this....then.....perhaps.....this,,,,can------help;;;;;us


lol
I don't understand any of the logic
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Post Post #1319 (isolation #113) » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:41 pm

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In post 1317, Iconeum wrote:Also how is my role not bastard?

People outside of the game can communicate with me

Dead players can interact with the game

What's making you question the bastard element exactly?
This is new information innit?

Icon, would it be beneficial for us if you claimed?
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Post Post #1321 (isolation #114) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:23 am

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Well scum dead are obviously useless. Townies may be useful; can you speak with Korina? Can we get role information with her?

Also I assumed that this is not all his role...
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Post Post #1322 (isolation #115) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:25 am

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Also someone invite because lolhammer may include icon death which Rob's us of info which he will probably share
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Post Post #1323 (isolation #116) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:25 am

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Unvote*
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Post Post #1325 (isolation #117) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:53 am

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How is this a fixation?
If he can talk to the dead, well, VTs don't know anything we don't, scum can never help you, and a modkilled unknown role can.
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Post Post #1327 (isolation #118) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:46 am

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Why not? he is dead, not banned. It depends on the wording of icon's role ofc.
Also I hhelp by trying to analyze shit, and trying to make creative use of the rules for our favor, if you perhaps missed all my posts. You on the other hand, are basically all questions instead of analysis.
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Post Post #1331 (isolation #119) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:42 pm

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You are still and again just stating accusations without backing anything up and ignore the thread. I'll just ignore you from now on; you just call scum whoever doesn't agree with you. Worse than PM
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Post Post #1332 (isolation #120) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:42 pm

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In post 1152, shos wrote:Also - going for another angle here - I was looking at RCE's flip (VT) and right beside it it has korina revived and modkilled due to rules breakage.....But Korina hasn't broken the
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surely we know she had a vote, and she could vote somehow through either PM to the mod (where clearly she cannot break rules) or...in a PT. Guys, has anyone had contact with Korina outside of thread?
Read the rules post carefully. It looks like there truly isn't any other way she could have broken the rules, except....quoting PMs in a PT.

We know from post by the mod that Korina was town (assuming she was the ?? vote - which makes sense because after the modkill that vote disappeared). [And also bastard role in case any of you setupspeccers is still coutning...]
She only ever voted gameplay, until post 469. Then, 11 hours to deadline, the mod locked the thread and 24 hours later modkilled Korina. Presumably, in those 24 hours the mod consulted with the co-mod or listmod and decided to modkill.


So what are we getting from this:
1. Has anyone any info about sharing a PT with korina to share?
2. Since Korina has explicitly voted gameplay thorughout the entire game, ----it is also possible that she was inside the scum PT, and was hard-tunneling there in order to perhaps get us to follow?
3. Another possibility is she thought vork was getting lynched D1 and thought/knew he was town, and considered it better that she gets modkilled instead of that lynch going through

useless so far. I'll get back to my original task
BTW I called it first!!
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Post Post #1341 (isolation #121) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:56 pm

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In post 1335, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1275, cyrus62 wrote:
In post 1274, shos wrote:Because I'm town, obviously
In a plurality game, you should be looking probably at who jumped on the wagon for cred when it was clear that it would be the winning lynch
saids the one who didn't vote the lynch hoping it wouldn't have happen we just nearly got the lynch and you didn't help at all, so saying this makes you look worse.
shos, we got a scum lynch THANKS to the votes including Cyrus. DESPITE you WILLINGLY not voting on caught scum. And now you are saying Cyrus is scum here?

Why should we put any weight at all in your posting right here? Because trust me when I say you are the most likely lynch today, and if you wanna do something about it, better start.
if you actually read my posts you'd see that the PM wagon indeed started catching because of Cyrus which I pointed out and he is definitely given credit there. I am saying Cyrus is bad, not necessarily scum. As I've repeatedly said, think he might be cult.

Hence I vote nom, my other scumread
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Post Post #1343 (isolation #122) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:04 pm

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In post 1336, Iconeum wrote:In most cases, shos is gonna be PM's partner this game. Normally I'd call most or even all of the votes on PM town, but not this game :p

However, I think all 4 votes on PM were not in the same team as PM.
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In post 1274, shos wrote:Because I'm town, obviously
In a plurality game, you should be looking probably at who jumped on the wagon for cred when it was clear that it would be the winning lynch
revisit his vote on the wagon tho. Actually, revisit each and every vote on the PM wagon. I don't see a single one done for credit or necesitty.
Where do you see him trying to get credit for the lynch?
Have you actually done this?
Noms vote is basically a 'sure whatever' after the wagon has already taken lead by far. Cyrus initiated it - he gets credit. Noms vote is horrible and unnecessary for the lynch - it is definitely for credit.

And why would I as scum NOT bus PM previously? Everyone acknowledged his badness. This is not a cult recruiter where I better be lynched instead of him. If I am his partner, I would bus the hell out of him. You're severely underestimating my scumplay
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Post Post #1345 (isolation #123) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:08 pm

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In post 1338, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1294, Kelly Chen wrote:Ok. So you noticed Shos didn't vote for scum PM and that makes you think (even) less of Shos. That works, thanks.
In post 1295, Chickadee wrote:There were plenty of people who didn't vote PM. Myself included (was really banking on a deadline extension). What makes shos more worthy of a vote today based on that?
can you guys reread the couple of pages where shos deliberately steered clear of the wagon, and how shos went about?
So again, in a PLURALITY GAME where my acumpartner is a leading wagon next to nobody else, WHY should I distance myself so hard from the wagon?
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Post Post #1346 (isolation #124) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:09 pm

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In post 1342, Iconeum wrote:shos why are you so fixated on lynching what you think is cult, when there's yet NO actual evidence of said cult in game?
even on previous day, you wanted Cyrus for being cult, and are not interested in finding scum…

why's that
I am not. You keep misreading or misrepping me. I am voting nom.
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #125) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:11 pm

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In post 1344, Iconeum wrote:i think the PM lynch was far from certain, and there's a good chance you were betting on PM chances not being lynched?
Who else?
Did any VC actually have another vote?
Perhaps I was counting on my own supreme convincing ability?

Do you honestly think that every scumflip wagon is comprised of only town, especially when there are both scum and cult involved in the game?
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Post Post #1355 (isolation #126) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:24 pm

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In post 1351, Iconeum wrote:shos, i'm strugling to find the town motivation in your persistent Cyrus CULT pushing from previous day over actual scumhunting

can you understand that?
Yes, I do. But please note that I am not currently encouraging a Cyrus lynch.
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Post Post #1356 (isolation #127) » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:26 pm

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In post 1353, Iconeum wrote:Probably 1 scum left, and we killed the cult recruiting thing role before N2 IIRC, so probably 1 cult.

shos
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So town is now facing 5v2 or 4v3
This is assuming that no cult were alive D1. I find this hard to believe as Drew's restore could have been eliminated D1 and this cult would never have existed? That is a bad mod plan if this is the case because obviously a Drew role would come forward
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Post Post #1377 (isolation #128) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:49 am

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In post 1364, cyrus62 wrote:so i say we at 4 / 2 / 1 so yes if we dont lynch right we lose
FFS how many times do I have to say this
We do not lose even if we mislynch because cult is operating against scum, too. Here, even icon says it, perhaps he is one you'll listen to
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And the above sentence also explains why I think Cyrus is cult. Basically my read is 'he is not town', and I give him credit for the PM lynch so 'he is not scum'. Ergo, he is cult.
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Post Post #1378 (isolation #129) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:52 am

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In post 1376, Iconeum wrote:On the previous day I'd have auto-lynched shos after seeing PM flip, but shos has been towny in responding to me
lynching based only on wagon analysis is very newbie of you. Read the intent behind nom's PM vote
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Post Post #1381 (isolation #130) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:20 am

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Auto-lynch based on the PM flip you said, so...
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Post Post #1383 (isolation #131) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:28 am

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Ok then, you can disregard my angst. At least to you I can talk #inb4cyrus
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Post Post #1397 (isolation #132) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:56 am

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In post 1394, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 1390, nomnomnom wrote:why do you want to lynch cyrus over shos?
:igmeou:
Is this.... is this even a question?
How long are we going to give cyrus a free pass for EVERYTHING?

The mutual/consensus "he's our VI"
-doesn't cut it for me personally
-didnt apply to jigglypuff


Also nom vs shos was yesterday, and we postponed it today. Why not delay it until tomorrow?
Cyrus is not given a
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<<update>>
I still think cyrus is not town, and actually now that I've reread some of his posts while searching for the post number, he looks a much more scummy and I appear to have been misthinking.
After that post he had posts , and and then where he votes with "ok fine but". I was under the impression that he was the lead on this wagon, but it seems that:
PMysterious (4)Vorkuta;nomnomnom;Iconeum;cyrus62;
Cyrus was the last vote on PM, and not nommers. I uhhhh kinda lost it
The not-PM-partner motivation which I thought I can throw on him is now gone. for one, UNVOTE: Nom. For seconds, I'll reread the last day and how the PM wagon formed.
In post 1395, cyrus62 wrote:lol wow so i was on the wagon that vork may not be scum there for a second untill this post i was starting to think nom and shos was scum and vork icon me were town and chick or gameplay/kelly was cult but after this post seems super lazy and makes me bump vork back in with nom and shos so theres 2 scum between vork shos and nom and one cult i now see chick me and icon is town game shoved
This, btw, explains certainly why cyrus may definitely be a VI. he scumreads anyone who doesn't agree with him on anything at all.
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Post Post #1398 (isolation #133) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:13 pm

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In post 1396, cyrus62 wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1394, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 1390, nomnomnom wrote:why do you want to lynch cyrus over shos?
:igmeou:
Is this.... is this even a question?
How long are we going to give cyrus a free pass for EVERYTHING?

The mutual/consensus "he's our VI"
-doesn't cut it for me personally
-didnt apply to jigglypuff


Also nom vs shos was yesterday, and we postponed it today. Why not delay it until tomorrow?
at icon please tell me how this comes from town when we both know my lynch would mean town loses.
(does the site work super slow for everyone?)

Cyrus, for the 1000th time: let's work out what happens if we "mislynch" you.
You die.
Scum kills, at worst, a town member.
There are 5 people left alive
of which at worst we have 3 anti-town people, in two groups which are against each other. Town loses only if scum are alive and killing (btw how does cult wincon look like if there's no recruiter?).
how do we lose? we can still lynch a non-town and have scum shoot cult (or be eliminated, so no NK at all)

WE ARE NOT IN LYLO. please get it into your head
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Post Post #1399 (isolation #134) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:25 pm

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*Sigh*
reading pages 46-47, I really don't care by now which one of nommers and cyrus we lynch.

@Icon: at post I analyzed the modkill and got to the conclusion that Korina had a PT with someone. Today, you came forward and said that dead players could talk to you.
Would you please elaborate on any discussions you have had with any dead player? Perhaps any info on how korina broke the rules, too?
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Post Post #1409 (isolation #135) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:55 pm

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In post 1400, Chickadee wrote: @shos - You asked what makes it a fixation? You keep bringing up Korina, when he was MODKILLED. Never even posted in thread. MODKILLED. So if Korina is somehow a magical puzzle piece for you, just come out and say it. Otherwise it's a waste of time to keep bringing it up. Let's sort players still here. Preferably scum players. I have no interest in cult hunting.
You know, one can discuss multiple things.
Also, this is a very simple question to icon regarding his role. You seem to reallllly not want this answer. Are you a cultist? :o
In post 1401, cyrus62 wrote:so im the numb skull here lets assume im right and there is 2 scums and one cult that leaves 4 town scums wincon saids control 50% of the votes one mislynch plus one night kill leaves us with two town 2 scum and 1 cult now less assume the cult doesnt buy any of the liveing town and votes one the scum see it and vote we lose.
Correct. this means that if we mislynch then tomorrow is lylo. not today.
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Post Post #1410 (isolation #136) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:01 pm

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In post 1404, Kelly Chen wrote:An interesting thing is if tomorrow is 2 cult, 1 scum, 2 town. If you lynch scum then I think cult would win? Or draw? Whereas if you lynch cult there, the game might continue. So I think it does matter, who is cult.
since we don't know cult wincon, we should hope not to get there.
But still setup wise I highly doubt there are SO MANY antitown roles.
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Post Post #1430 (isolation #137) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:20 pm

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In post 878, Iconeum wrote:
@mod, did we at any time in this game have confirmation that Korina was a VT? Is it possible this information dissapeared?
Uhh you asking about korina is fine, but me isn't, right?
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I am a Town Medium. During night, I can be visited by dead players. If they do, I will have dreams according to their choice if they decide to contact me. Nothing happened so far. At all.

This is the full extent of my role. I ca
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Your claim is extremely underwhelming, considering that korina was dead long before she was modkilled. You don't suppose a player might actually want to talk to someone when they're playing mafia right?
So Drew died, and didn't want to talk to you either; PM is scum so meh ok, but ... Really?

And why on Earth would you stall claiming such a useless role which has no effect on the game whatsoever?
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Post Post #1431 (isolation #138) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:21 pm

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Honestly this claim made me extremely doubtful about my townread on icon
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Post Post #1439 (isolation #139) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:41 pm

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Because your posting seemed good motivated. In general you looked like you were actually trying to solve something. I don't remember exact posts and or events about which we talked, but I got a firm town motivation from your posts.

Now, this claim seems bad as fuck.
1. You have a passive role, so you're not actually a PR and this really doesn't change anything balance wise
2. You say that nobody contacted you - not even RC.
2.a. if they didn't know they can - then this role is completely nullified
3. It took you SO LONG to actually claim. The massclaim shit has started 600 posts ago. What took you so long? What benefit did you think was going to come out of claiming NOW? The whole surrounding of your claim sounds extremely bad.

I don't feel good about this
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #140) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:43 pm

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Also, for protocol, modkilling a player in a bastard game is really not so uncommon. Modkilled players are, usually, given access to dead PT and are considered dead, even though the turned-survivor sort of is supposed to make them autoloss so they don't have motivation to help anyone if they still can.
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Post Post #1441 (isolation #141) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:44 pm

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Since deadline is looming soon, can we get, please,

Everyone's opinion about this claim
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Post Post #1443 (isolation #142) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:47 pm

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I'm going to lol at you for calling me responsible for that
I was against massclaim. And I claimed. If anyone wanted the claiming process to proceed they could claim.

This last argument about drawing the NK is a bit fishy too, if I may add, since everyone claimed VT.
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Post Post #1446 (isolation #143) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:48 pm

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I dunno man. It just feels bad.
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Post Post #1450 (isolation #144) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:04 pm

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Calm your tits bro
I can literally feel your emotions. Try to stay composed

Something rubs me off badly. That's all I'm saying. You've answered some of my questions but mostly they aren't satisfying me.

On the flip side though, it would be very very stupid of scum to fakeclaim like that when everyone claimed VT. It makes you center of attention and scum never want this.
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Post Post #1453 (isolation #145) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:08 pm

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Lol
I am enjoying this game
You can consider me back on mafiascum guys :cool:

Icon, do me a favor and help me out in putting this aside hopefully. Could you point me to as many posts as you can where you crumbed the whole dream shit?
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Post Post #1458 (isolation #146) » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:44 pm

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Well these do seem legit.
Chick why u so silent
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Post Post #1486 (isolation #147) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:23 am

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-havent read this page yet-

The fact that PM was detached is correct. This means the only way we can analyze this wagon is by interactions about him, rather than with him.

From this, we can work with who jumped the wagon for credit, and who actually helped this wagon form.

That's about it.
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Post Post #1488 (isolation #148) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:02 am

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I'm actually about as unready as I have ever been
The only slot I feel actually
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I can lynch nom but I do have reservations
I will not Lynch Kelly, icon and vorkuta

I feel like I carry heavy responsibility if we mislynch :/
How long is until deadline?
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Post Post #1497 (isolation #149) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:54 am

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Vork; you are, sadly for you, a mostly-global townread. It would REALLY help everyone if your input was a little bit deeper. Please take the time this evening and get some work done - we don't have much time
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Post Post #1513 (isolation #150) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:35 am

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In post 1502, cyrus62 wrote:wow i cant put icon with any team cuse icon fights with everybody.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why cyrus is our VI.

Cyrus, for your future games: Scum fight each other. Scum vote each other. Scum get towncred for this.


VOTE: nom
I'm sorry matey, it's PoE.
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Post Post #1514 (isolation #151) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:37 am

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For everyone's use:
In post 1386, Not Known 15 wrote:(expired on 2019-11-07 15:40:00).
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Post Post #1522 (isolation #152) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:58 pm

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In post 1515, cyrus62 wrote:
In post 1513, shos wrote:
In post 1502, cyrus62 wrote:wow i cant put icon with any team cuse icon fights with everybody.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why cyrus is our VI.

Cyrus, for your future games: Scum fight each other. Scum vote each other. Scum get towncred for this.


VOTE: nom
I'm sorry matey, it's PoE.
you realize even if nom flips scun i still thhink thre is another if and nom flips town you look even scummyer
Are you telling me not to lynch scum because regardless of the result you'll scumread me?

...I think I should start employing a "Lynch All Incomprehensibles" strategy along with liars and stuff

In post 1521, cyrus62 wrote:just throwing this out here i think noms more cult then scum . but heck if we lynch cult we dont lose today im down.
OMG LOL
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Post Post #1529 (isolation #153) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:56 pm

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Could also be a fake pretense.

I really do wish scum killed Cyrus if he isn't scum
I feel bad with how he voted nom
I feel bad with how he posted in this game
I feel bad with literally every single post by him
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Post Post #1552 (isolation #154) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:58 pm

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Vork - you're right - but is this scum? Or bad town?
In post 1537, Iconeum wrote:i dare say that I even liked his case on you, shos
he had one? I don't recall ever reading anything with substance against me apart form 'against pm lynch' which I don't deny
In post 1540, Iconeum wrote:nah nommers is a good lynch
This.
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #155) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:00 pm

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In post 1544, nomnomnom wrote:VOTE: Cyrus

If we're going to have a dodgy lynch I'd rather have Cyrus go
Shit, I'm being tempted
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Post Post #1559 (isolation #156) » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:54 pm

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In post 1557, Iconeum wrote:shos was already voting nom

so i read that as tempted to vote Cyrus because of what nom said?
This

I really dislike Cyrus and not wanting him in case of lylo is very much correct
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Post Post #1568 (isolation #157) » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:33 am

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In post 1560, Iconeum wrote:and you have no quarrel with the fact nom just switches to his TOWNREAD

at all?
Nope, because
1. Cyrus is, despite everything, sketchy
2. Cyrus is utterly impossible to understand
3. Cyrus has proven, let's say, emotional

It would be hard for me to like his presence without a firm, FIRM townread.

Oh, and
4. Town should always try to prevent their mislynch because it is literally the only person they KNOW is town. So counterwagon ahoy is acceptable and EXPECTED from town and scum.
In post 1561, Iconeum wrote:why are you ignoring the towncase i'm making wrt Cyrus?
I don't see it. What I see on Cyrus is more OMGUS than trying to solve the game. His logic is flawed despite being corrected a zillion times; he is a cherry picker, and I deeply do not want him in lylo.
^^^this does not in any way mean that I townread nom, for the record and future misreps
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Give me one other person that you want to lynch right now than me, you will not find it. That's why I have to vote Cyrus because he's the weakest player to keep in lylo and you know it.
is a good post regardless of alignment.
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This is plurality
We could end up with a 50/50
Morning hun, we've been playing the game for a while now

If it's random, and it happens, I'll really be excited lawl
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Post Post #1582 (isolation #158) » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:44 am

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In post 1554, Iconeum wrote:I'll attempt to lay out cyrus' effort in casing shos (which I think strongly points towards a town!cyrus sorting effort)

attempt at sorting shos
calling shos scum 'for stalling tactics then complaining about not having enough time'. I think that was a very good take

makes a shortlist that contains scum according to him
were my thoughts at the time, too
if you try, you can actually see this is a logical town!thought process. Calling out shos for shading, stalling, trying to block the PM lynch. Is this the best player on site? No. But I think his intentions are in the right place.
BTW this is utter crap, Icon. Each and every of these posts is crap, lol. Collect them all together: how many lines of analysis can you get?

Hint: solution below

One!
'stalling popcorn and complaining for short DL'. That is, at best, the best content, and it is bad, too. I publicly refused to popcorn explicitly and you all knew that; no stalling. My complain was that instead of dealing with how many VTs there are we should be doing something else because we had no time.

He literally called me scum because I cannot prove he is cult. He voted me again for not having a case, lol, because it appears that not having a solid case is a solid case, yes? Or perhaps I should have voted him for voting me for not having a solid case because he didn't have a solid case?

I haven't found a single bit of usefulness in his entire (HUGE!) ISO.

----


Nom, on the other hand, has posted some actual content when he was more active. I don't get why he shuts up lately - BTW nom please provide readlist in case you die and town - but he also has actually scummy bits.

So it's a choice between

Cyrus - incomprehensible uselessness and negative disturbance which is slightly scummy and/or VI town
Or
nom - sometimes content, sometimes scummy (moreso than Cyrus)

So far I have voted nom.
But assuming mislynch, I'd actually rather be with nom tomorrow over Cyrus.
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Post Post #1583 (isolation #159) » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:47 am

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Ugh we've already hammered?
Can anyone confirm plz
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Post Post #1586 (isolation #160) » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:50 am

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Nom readlist ASAP
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Post Post #1587 (isolation #161) » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:55 am

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My readlist in case I am Nked

1. Icon - not scum. Could be cult. In general is a good guy, claim is iffy, but crumbs are good
2. Gameplay/Kelly - gameplay was ugh wut lol Shiz. With a slight town. Then Kelly replaced in and put gooooood effort which made me not consider her as scum. This could, theoretically, be cult scumhunting too.
3. Cyrus - my latest largepost should explain why this is a horribad slot. I hope we don't need to test this with a lynch.
4. Chick - was a townread but not solid. Today he barely did shit. Nulltownish.
5. Nom just died
6. Shos is me
7. Who am I missing
Vork! Town for being the lead of the PM wagon. His posts are iffy lately, they were better beforehand
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Post Post #1597 (isolation #162) » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:18 am

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In post 1589, nomnomnom wrote:Also I'm a she
Oops, sorry :facepalm:
In post 1591, nomnomnom wrote:No, I'm town
:(
In post 1595, Chickadee wrote:Was there a lynch or no? I'm lost without a vote count.

VOTE: shos
In case it matters
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Post Post #1598 (isolation #163) » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:19 am

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Inb4 chick is scum coasting
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Post Post #1613 (isolation #164) » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:22 am

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Sooo lol
I was actually surprised that she flipped scum, it's hilarious
But then I get surprised that I am alive considering the circumstances between me and nom in this game

Icon kill is odd

How is there still a killer on the loose?
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Post Post #1621 (isolation #165) » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:17 am

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In post 1614, Chickadee wrote:Also why would you think it’s odd there’s still a killer? The game is still going.
Because that means there actually have been 3 scum in the first place, which is difficult to balance along with cult. Game is still going, most likely, because of cult. ....and a killer is still alive.
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Post Post #1622 (isolation #166) » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:18 am

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shos
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Vorkuta
Kelly Chen

5 alive
3 to lynch
Anyone wanna go over the entire day where we lynched PM and see who *TRULY* gets credit there
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Post Post #1647 (isolation #167) » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:01 pm

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Chick: what is your win condition?
can you confirm you were town D1?

He definitely may be lying in order to get to a 2cult-2town situation. Since we are five, and surely there are at least 2 non-towners, I think we must lynch chick today.

clearly he isn't town.
If he is scum - he's the last one which is good. If cult and alone then we get to 3p lylo which is well - better odds for us anyway. If not alone, then we should hope scum shoots the other scum, or if they don't, cult should claim and town will lynch scum with him in a different 3p lylo.
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Post Post #1650 (isolation #168) » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:33 am

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You do realize you cannot trust his words
His wincon may be something that allows him to win over you in a tie; they might have a 1sVig; who knows.

Also have you ever read me & nom's interactions lol
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Post Post #1652 (isolation #169) » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:37 am

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eh sure sure keep at it
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Post Post #1656 (isolation #170) » Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:40 am

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Technically, we don't know if the goons had extra spice.
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Post Post #1662 (isolation #171) » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:34 am

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In post 1659, cyrus62 wrote:ty vork you guys do notist that shos keeps on trying to convince us to kill chick even though chick and i are the only ones not liying .
What on Earth are you talking about
How did we allow him to still be here damnit
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Post Post #1666 (isolation #172) » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:50 am

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why would we lose cyrus
we're 5 people, of which at max 1 can be scum and at max 2 can be cult

can we just lynch cyrus to end the nonsense
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Post Post #1681 (isolation #173) » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:08 pm

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I'll gladly look at VCA of D1. hell, I might even do one myself since I have time today, (we're under rocket attacks the last 2 days so no going to work, just running to shelter every so often) with the proper motivation.

I...guess? that claim clears me indeed. I quite dislike it though.

Vork, please elaborate for a sec. Do you choose the TARGET and chage it, or the TARGETTER? As in, X shoots Y. you redirect to Z. You chose X and Z, or Y and Z?
N1- Drew -> Cyrus (Drew was town *sadface*)
N2- Jigglypuff -> Cyrus (jigglypuff didn't do the NK *sadface*)
N3- Cyrus -> Ico (idk)
N4- Shos -> Cyrus
Because N1 and N2 are sorta contradictive. Jig didn't do the NK - sadface - so if he did, he'd be recirected, regardless of who he targets? or was it, nobody shot jigglipuff and therefore sadface?

If you choose Y and Z, then I am no conftown. But since Chick is cult, I think perhaps at night we can use vork to redirect from me to chick. (either way if you both are still alive at night you should redirect to chick).
If you choose X and Z, then you probably converted cyrus N1 to cult, and chick is lying, and there actually is no scum.

I'm thinking let's lynch cyrus for my own sanity regardless of the game
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Post Post #1685 (isolation #174) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:39 am

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I don't get the whole disloyal thing. It means that...... You sometimes don't work?
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Post Post #1687 (isolation #175) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:04 am

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Let's lunch chick and get a better odds lylo
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Post Post #1694 (isolation #176) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:36 am

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In post 1692, Kelly Chen wrote:Your example just shows you don't get hard guilties. If there's only one killer you can get clears.
This.
if we lynch Chick, and you redirect kelly to cyrus, and I die (as supposed conftown), that means kelly didn't make the shot, leaving you to 1v1 cyrus (LOLOLOL)
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Post Post #1712 (isolation #177) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:14 am

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In post 1697, Chickadee wrote:I knew claiming was stupid
This is only because cyrus is impossible lol
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Post Post #1724 (isolation #178) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:16 pm

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Since I think Kelly is town, it is best if he redirects Kelly to Cyrus. That way in the case where Cyrus survives we get a Kelly conftown.

Surely I will die though
So it'll be vork v Cyrus 1v1, or, if Cyrus does, vork v kelly
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Post Post #1736 (isolation #179) » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:49 am

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In post 1724, shos wrote:Since I think Kelly is town, it is best if he redirects Kelly to Cyrus. That way in the case where Cyrus survives we get a Kelly conftown.

Surely I will die though
So it'll be vork v Cyrus 1v1, or, if Cyrus does, vork v kelly
Ok. I don't think I will get Cyrus to come around and express an opinion from the list, nor Chickadee.

So the difference between the options is do you want more suspicion to be on me or on Cyrus when we BOTH survive the night. Also, maybe, which one of us is more likely to live. Kelly -> Cyrus might make it more likely that Cyrus dies I guess.
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3. Vork dies, Kelly is cleared. Kelly/Shos/Cyrus alive. Cyrus should be scum.
4. Shos dies, Kelly is cleared. Kelly/Vork/Cyrus alive. Cyrus should be scum.

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3. Vork dies, Cyrus is cleared. Kelly/Cyrus/Shos alive, Kelly should be scum.
4. Shos dies, Cyrus is cleared. Kelly/Cyrus/Vork alive, Kelly should be scum.
Vork do you want to discuss or can you agree to submit Kelly -> Cyrus?
Actually the question is who do I trust the most to make a good decision, lol.
If I don't die, I can reexamine the entire game and get a smart decision, hopefully, as a conftown in 3p lylo
If I die (likely considering the conftown status) then one of you and cyrus gets to be conftown and decide between the other and vork.

As it is right now, I don't trust cyrus to make that choice right (sry lad)
so I'd like you to become the conftown when I die.
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Post Post #1737 (isolation #180) » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:53 am

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-reads-
see, that's why I don't trust him

If vork redirects as he says, I think we're good.
Just don't be tempted to townread vork ONLY because he is more clearly typing than cyrus, despite everything
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Post Post #1752 (isolation #181) » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:53 am

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That was not nearly a hellova bus. You wouldn't get a titbit of credit for THAT lynch, and the same goes for PM.

That said, I don't necessarily think you are scum. By "I don't trust you" I mean that your erraticness makes me not want you to have the hammer. I don't trust you to be patient and make the right decision, that is.

Korina had, by any means we know of, no idea that gameplay was scum. as far as we know, it's just her opinion, so we can't make anything out of that. If you think Kelly is scum, that means her shot will be redirected to you, leaving me with the choice between kelly and vork. If you flip town, I will take your thoughts into consideration as well.
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Post Post #1753 (isolation #182) » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:54 am

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NOTE VERYBODY
that te scum pms said that they MUST make a kill, ergo, a no-NK-into-mylo situation is not available for them. If kelly is scum, and redirected, then it doesn't matter what happens, cyrus dies. If I die, then kelly is conftown, and you cyrus will 1v1 vork, leaving it to kelly to make the right choice.
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Post Post #1765 (isolation #183) » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:05 pm

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Cyrus love you make no sense
I'm good with ending today
VOTE: chickadee
Sorry mate
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Post Post #1775 (isolation #184) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:49 am

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mod: assuming all those with night actions agree to it, please end night quickly <3
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Post Post #1793 (isolation #185) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:49 am

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So uh
Technically
Town would never have been able to actually know how good they progress, without dreams helping.
Why did the dead never tell Icon anything?

also...


told ya PMyst was town
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Post Post #1794 (isolation #186) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:49 am

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Do we get access to the scum PT?
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Post Post #1795 (isolation #187) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:50 am

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Or to anything else actually
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Post Post #1798 (isolation #188) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:55 am

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Soooo in order:

shos - Town, death miller
Chickadee - ???, later converted to cult
Korina - Town Death delegate, able to vote from the dead
Doctor Drew - Town Cultifier
PMysterious - Town, death miller
nomnomnom - Town, death miller
Iconeum - Town dreamer
cyrus62 - Town death miller
RCEnigma - VT
Formerfish/Baezu - VT
Vorkuta - Goon
Kelly Chen/gameplay506 - death godfather
Chemist1422 - Death miller
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Post Post #1799 (isolation #189) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:01 am

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woah we really had no chance did we lawl
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Post Post #1801 (isolation #190) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:19 am

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JEASUS

the dead actually did not READ that they can PM town with actual information
omfg lawl
the dreams could have saved us
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Post Post #1804 (isolation #191) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:40 am

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Just got through the scum PT. scum deserve the win. town doesn't desreve the loss
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Post Post #1841 (isolation #192) » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:12 pm

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In post 1832, Kelly Chen wrote:
In post 1827, popsofctown wrote:I think it is very cool that Kelly Chen is an 05er who is actively playing.
Thanks for noticing, this is my first game since Mini Theme 810, over 10 years ago...
wow, nice!!!
Also my first game in about 2 years. It was fun despite all :]
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