Undertale Semi-Open 1.1 - Snowdin Snowdown

[chennisden]

Hi

[chennisden]

Good to know ur town wisdom

[chennisden]

We identify four townies and win. Townhunting is better than scumhunting and this playerlist is good for application

Been there, done that, won as scum. Let's move on and make it hard for the scum to win.

This doesn't sound towny tonally

[chennisden]

I recon 2:2 or 3:1. (Spare:kill)

I recon we play this by ear and see where our strongest reads lie

[chennisden]

Also PR should claim and get spared but that's a later issue

No fakeclaiming PR from town this time please it gives scum a lot of room

[chennisden]

We identify four townies and win. Townhunting is better than scumhunting and this playerlist is good for application

Been there, done that, won as scum. Let's move on and make it hard for the scum to win.

This doesn't sound towny tonally

I doubt my play style will be similar to last time.

I doubt ur town

[chennisden]

I recon 2:2 or 3:1. (Spare:kill)

I recon we play this by ear and see where our strongest reads lie

That's what we did last time.
HURT: chennis

No we really didn't we were kind of adamant about going pacifist from D1

[chennisden]

I recon 2:2 or 3:1. (Spare:kill)

I recon we play this by ear and see where our strongest reads lie

Isn't that just how one plays mafia?

What if I told you we lost last time because we played circlejerk and didnt play mafia until it was too late

[chennisden]

We identify four townies and win. Townhunting is better than scumhunting and this playerlist is good for application

Been there, done that, won as scum. Let's move on and make it hard for the scum to win.

This doesn't sound towny tonally

I doubt my play style will be similar to last time.

I doubt ur town

Is this based on my entrance so far?

Yea it really is

[chennisden]

Sorry ur scumplay isnt the same it was last time elementals

[chennisden]

Ur posting feels rly disjointed and not natural

[chennisden]

Im 80 percent sure u did that just to get off of me elements.

[chennisden]

That was not a towny reaction Elements

[chennisden]

im feeling towny today

[chennisden]

Let’s not

HURT: Elements

Last game you entered with a heal not a hurt. Coincidence? I think not.
HURT: oversoul

Its almost as if there’s a reason for the difference.

What's the reason?

U feel like ur asking questions to ask questions just like last game.

[chennisden]

See that question looks productive but it isnt.

[chennisden]

Ur deliberately trying to look erratic while looking productive. Its not working elements

[chennisden]

It lloks like im the reason for tips 6 and 7

[chennisden]

Ur scum tho!

[chennisden]

I strongly advocated for delayed PR spare last game.

[chennisden]

sounds like you did it last game and it backfired?

Last game most people were of the same opinion as you, but we mostly went off chennis' day 1 reads for the whole game.

Town didnt have energy to powertown so

Scum filled the gap rly ez

[chennisden]

Good to know ur town wisdom

its page 1, 1-10 strength of read?

Around a 2 then around a 6 or 7 now

[chennisden]

I wont strongarm a spare on me like I did last time that ends in misery

I ask that we do not spare elements today. Im not up for killing him yet either but this seems like a repeat of his scumgame

[chennisden]

He asked pointless and easy questions

He is asking pointless and easy questions

He doesnt do that as town

[chennisden]

Nymph isnt a slot i particularly have a lean on

[chennisden]

Chemist you have to just keep rolling town dont you

[chennisden]

This isnt meta maria its kinda obvious that asking bad/easy questions instead of actually producing content that has controversy is scummy

[chennisden]

Stop playing mechanics start playing mafia zzz

[chennisden]

This shit helps nobody with alignment solving and loses us the game

Play it by ear pls

[chennisden]

i'll try to make sense of it in the morning lmfao

rakan who you staring at rn

To kill? Oversoul.

Though I do still have an attachment to going spare-kill-spare-spare

I'm thinking this game plan up as I go along, I'm thinking it is best to put people we trust in the 3 spares after all, since both sides are essentially revealed (if you know 1 scum is in 3 people, you know 1 is in the other 2)

How about no, lover boy. We are not killing me. If anything we are sparing me.

This arrogance probably comes from town os

[chennisden]

chennis whats the deal with your chemist read

chemist has a lot of small talk but I did enjoy their remarks about a pocket read.

Is this more a behavioral meta read here or what

Chemist is doing fuckall the same way he does fuckall as town

[chennisden]

@Elements
OverSoul is now the leading wagon, now if you could explain why you chose to heal oversoul, that'd be great because you're interactions with Soul are softball questions and I can't find why you townread the slot.

@wisdom
you may scum read me but you also scumread Soul. Will you join or is your read on me as scum stronger than your read on Soul

@Chemist, Nymph and Chenn
You've yet to interact with Soul in any way this game, give us something to work with here

Ur caring way too much about the os slot

[chennisden]

No it really isnt Rakan

[chennisden]

@Elements
OverSoul is now the leading wagon, now if you could explain why you chose to heal oversoul, that'd be great because you're interactions with Soul are softball questions and I can't find why you townread the slot.

@wisdom
you may scum read me but you also scumread Soul. Will you join or is your read on me as scum stronger than your read on Soul

@Chemist, Nymph and Chenn
You've yet to interact with Soul in any way this game, give us something to work with here

The point that elements is making softball questions is something you should pursue

[chennisden]

I don't think it's worth discussing other reads before the mafia nightkill. Why do you think I should discuss other reads?

I'm willing to talk mechanics, why we should or shouldn't pick neutral.

As for Oversoul: He's either a pr and will die tonight if we don't spare him, or he's fake softing and should be killed for that

Because a) I don't really think you're town and b) obfuscating reads hurts town more than it hurts mafia

[chennisden]

You're jumping the gun on OS

Also fakeclaiming PR Is really bad and stupid for mafia so its pretty much a non issue.

[chennisden]

Btw wrt PR claiming do it by d3 so we can deal with counterclaiming, the rest is up to your judgement.

[chennisden]

I don't think it's worth discussing other reads before the mafia nightkill. Why do you think I should discuss other reads?

I'm willing to talk mechanics, why we should or shouldn't pick neutral.

As for Oversoul: He's either a pr and will die tonight if we don't spare him, or he's fake softing and should be killed for that

Because

a) I don't really think you're town

and b) obfuscating reads hurts town more than it hurts mafia

Why?

Because he hasnt towntold

[chennisden]

I dont got that feeling

[chennisden]

Inside my bones

[chennisden]

"oh my god, if he's trolling we should lynch him"

What a great idea

[chennisden]

He literally fakeclaimed PR as town because "lul im so protown"

[chennisden]

Ur not wrong that normally killing his slot would be great but i feel like there's a real chance he's town not PR and i dont want to deal with his slot

[chennisden]

the temptationnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

but elements is actually scummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[chennisden]

like tbf right now im not feeling scumvibes from anyone that's posting, even gingie got better after posting
Nacho and mastina need to do things before i declare them poe scum

the thing is - we're going to hard latch onto the first person we see as scummy as scum and not re-evaluate w/o flips

so

[chennisden]

What I don't understand is why we let blatantly anti-town fly under the guise of "oh he could be town"

Furthermore he's claiming to be the pr from the genocide run which has very little support from players here IMO, even if he were that pr

What are the upsides to not focus on him today?

like tbf right now im not feeling scumvibes from anyone that's posting, even gingie got better after posting
Nacho and mastina need to do things before i declare them poe scum

the thing is - we're going to hard latch onto the first person we see as scummy as scum and not re-evaluate w/o flips

so

What are you talking about?

im saying pacifist is bad as long as there's one competent scum

[chennisden]

Im actually ok with rakan town

[chennisden]

I tr Wisdom and Xayah

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I think someone asked me a question at one point. Could they repeat it plz.

Well, what do you have to say about this:

He asked pointless and easy questions

He is asking pointless and easy questions

He doesnt do that as town

I'm much more passive as scum.
Chennis has only seen my first and only scum game so meta can't be established.
I don't think Chennis has been in any of my higher activity town games.

No dude its objectively scummy as well so

I'm not going to ignore it this time

[chennisden]

HEAL: chemist

[chennisden]

chemist is probably town so

[chennisden]

Dont mind

Although I'm not supposed to be playing mafia rn tell no one

[chennisden]

We identify four townies and win. Townhunting is better than scumhunting and this playerlist is good for application

Been there, done that, won as scum. Let's move on and make it hard for the scum to win.

I recon 2:2 or 3:1. (Spare:kill)

Then we get some semi checking stuff going on when we get to the core.

This isnt necessarily scummy but can be kinda described as busy work

I opened the same way as scum during Gay Dance

[chennisden]

I recon 2:2 or 3:1. (Spare:kill)

I recon we play this by ear and see where our strongest reads lie

That's what we did last time.
HURT: chennis

I recon 2:2 or 3:1. (Spare:kill)

I recon we play this by ear and see where our strongest reads lie

Isn't that just how one plays mafia?

We identify four townies and win. Townhunting is better than scumhunting and this playerlist is good for application

Been there, done that, won as scum. Let's move on and make it hard for the scum to win.

This doesn't sound towny tonally

I doubt my play style will be similar to last time.

I doubt ur town

Is this based on my entrance so far?

The stuff in the second and third post and etc is kinda a cover up for the first post

[chennisden]

Actually I think I found out why Rakan was so triggered at Oversoul for crumbing and voted him for it.

[chennisden]

god its so fucking hard to parce

early game its like he has to reply to the same thing with two different answers

Idk if this is confbiasing but it feels rly like he's trying to cover his bases like in a really obvious way

[chennisden]

No dude its objectively scummy as well so

I'm not going to ignore it this time

Acting scummy does not make someone scum.
Do you not think that if I was scum again, playing with a plethora of people who played my last scum game, that I wouldn't change my play style? Especially given that the main thing people said was scummy about me was my questions.
Do you honestly think that lowly of me?

I don't think anyone pointed that out so moot point

[chennisden]

Okay that was a weird post chemist and i dont really like it

[chennisden]

Okay that was a weird post chemist and i dont really like it

The “nice” part was sarcasm if that didn’t come off

That was obvious

[chennisden]

Okay that was a weird post chemist and i dont really like it

How was that weird?

Because it didnt fit my mold for town chemist???

[chennisden]

I think Chennis is scum from how badly he's reading me

ha ha ha ha hah aha

[chennisden]

this is kinda funny elements

[chennisden]

Wow mastina is town

[chennisden]

Scum can get themselves spared in a lot of ways

[chennisden]

Mastina hasn't wallposted yet.

Should I be concerned

[chennisden]

Spare these townies:

chennisden
Wisdom
Nachomamma8

Town enough:

Chemist
Ginngie

Various degrees of not a townread:

Elements
Xayah
Oversoul
Rakan
Nymph

Mind you--I haven't really tried to generate scumreads. Scum would be in the not-townreads, but I don't particularly care to try and figure out the particulars of who the exact scum are yet. Because I am a hippie who loves peace and pacifism and would prefer townhunting to scumhunting.

Our reads are like... mostly in the same place

[chennisden]

Hi grab im dad

[chennisden]

In the meantime, Chennis and Elements both seem like they're grating each other but I don't think either are significantly likelier to be scum as a result. The meat of chennis's push seems to be "he's asking questions in the same way as last game" and the meat of Elements's push seems to be "he wouldn't be fucking up this bad if he were town".

To Chennis, I think that you might be conflating "playstyle" with "meta-relevant scumposting". As scum, Elements is probably going to try to mimic his normal playstyle (as most people do) and dig at angles that they believe they will take as town. You might not like his questions here (and you might have disliked his questions in his scum game), but why is it out of the question for him to ask questions that you dislike as town?

To Elements, I think that people overestimate how well others can read them, and playing with someone frequently doesn't necessarily mean that you're able to read them instantly. We are also hyper-aware of what makes us town or scum, but that doesn't necessarily mean that anyone else is going to pick up on it. And chennis, after you stomped him in the last game, is likely to be HYPERVIGILANT in attempting to catch you as scum in this game. Do you really think that he's likely to be scum here based on misreading you alone?

The threshold is significantly more likely not absolutely guaranteed

I think asking questions makes you significantly scummy especially since Elements does that as scum and his banter is like extra fake

[chennisden]

do it

I mean the energy of the crowd is that we're all waiting on mastina and Nacho to post

at least that is what it feels like


So go off

aka
do it

this is kinda funny elements

Thank you. I aim to amuse.

I don't understand how apparently eveyone except me can be obvtown. My scum game is so obvious to see. I'm so much more passive and less erratic.

It’s ok. Becoming obvtown is the only thing I can do. I can’t play scum, I can’t scumhunt, but I can obvtown

can you obvtown as scum?

I don't understand how apparently eveyone except me can be obvtown. My scum game is so obvious to see. I'm so much more passive and less erratic.

[chennisden]

undertale v 1.0 is the only completed game we've recently been together in.

for the sake of staying very far on the right side of the rules that's all ill say.

[chennisden]

i've considered the possibility i'm tunneling and the productivity of hard pushing a read that a lot of people don't agree with me on.

i'm not voting to kill him because as a baseline it's more productive to spare myself.

[chennisden]

You should spare me because I'm town wow

[chennisden]

Also fat um on chemist slot

I don't feel the same aura that I usually do about Chemist?

HEAL: chennis

[chennisden]

The way the oversoul wagon formed is bleck

[chennisden]

A more direct question is the (fuck whats the word we use) retaliation vote by Elements onto Souls and your thoughts in general of Elements starting game voting patterns.

Read it as more of Elements fucking around and acting a bit crazy than it actually being a revenge vote, tbh; his lost #100 read to me like a more like a "hey I'm done trolling now, let's play some mafia" than anything else which is why I find chemist calling him scum to be a bit like sheeping trying to dress it up like something it wasn't.

HURT: Chemist

I was gonna call this a bad read but when I was writing my response I realized you have a point

[chennisden]

also a lot of the content towards rakan feels very appeasy.

[chennisden]

that is objectively right but i have nobody i want to lynch, hence where my vote is.

[chennisden]

If we're gonna flip someone doing it now gives us info before we spare is her point.

[chennisden]

I agree we shouldnt lynch yet but only because I have no strong inclinations where to lynch

[chennisden]

I've never been in a game where the day 1 lynch isn't a town. So lynching this early and flipping a town basically forces us into 3:1. If we spare two first we have a better read on everyone when we get do a lynch.

This is bad and you should feel bad

This

[chennisden]

i feel like elements is too unappeasy to be scum? idk

[chennisden]

also a lot of the content towards rakan feels very appeasy.

I wonder why i made this post

[chennisden]

also a lot of the content towards rakan feels very appeasy.

I wonder why i made this post

Who cares? He's clearly town and your self vote isn't doing much.

But you're scum so

[chennisden]

Ur ignoring valid concerns on Rakan

Ur also scum

[chennisden]

Idc if rakan is town because even if ur town sparing rakan is prolly in scums gameplan

[chennisden]

sparing rakan is prolly in scums gameplan

Uh, explain?

scum feel like they're trying to warm up to you and get you to vote in their favor.

[chennisden]

when ppl return to the core/pacifist fails

so

[chennisden]

anyway

nymph is scum

HURT: nymph

i would prefer to spare rakan after this.

[chennisden]

worked for them last time

shrug

[chennisden]

Did chennis just scum slip?

Hi disingenuous im dad

[chennisden]

i dont think rakan isn't town.

i do think the way he is being presented as town is a stretch.

[chennisden]

Oh nice

[chennisden]

zz apathy

[chennisden]

cannot care when wolves are openwolving so

[chennisden]

HEAL: rakan

/shrug

[chennisden]

Hi hedging I'm chennis

[chennisden]

Did everyone decide this game had no rvs and not tell me?

why are people still tring this?

[chennisden]

Dude this is really funny.

Everyone in dead PT: "Fuck you for voting oversoul chemist"

[chennisden]

Nice I won my first and only game in the last... two months

[chennisden]

By doing nothing.

[chennisden]

Idk why I died N1.

Why did you guys kill me N1?

same

[chennisden]

id like to see scum pt