Mini Normal 2101 - Electronic Music Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Havo]

My Dudes

[Havo]

Oh and

vote Vorkuta

[Havo]

Why might it be enticing?

Havo is more or less the same reason: the two posts gave me this feeling: "hi! Oh crap I forgot to vote like everyone else usually does HERE'S A RANDOM PERSON", which also sounds a bit forced.

Awkward entrance? Awkward for you maybe, but is it awkward for me?
Why wouldn’t you look at that perspective?

It gave you a weird feeling that I voted a Random Person in the Random Voting Stage?
And the, “Oh and” caused suspicion from you because i didn’t vote someone in my original post?
Or and that I WANTED to vote a Random in the RVS? Because everyone else does it?
So I wanted to participate in the RVS like everyone else causes you to be suspicious of me?

Well, ok. None of that makes any sense to me but I guess if you have caught scum like that before, it’s ok.
Never mind you apparently can’t tell blind luck from actual scum hunting tactics. :p

[Havo]

Btw for those at home counting, Luca is at 4.

Personally idc if he gets lynched, but theres scummier people at hand right now

Like who?

[Havo]

Btw for those at home counting, Luca is at 4.

Personally idc if he gets lynched, but theres scummier people at hand right now

Azuresky, can you expand on this please? You made this post very early in the game, who was scummier to you than Luca at this point and why do you think they were scummier?

[Havo]

Btw for those at home counting, Luca is at 4.

Personally idc if he gets lynched, but theres scummier people at hand right now

Azuresky, can you expand on this please? You made this post very early in the game, who was scummier to you than Luca at this point and why do you think they were scummier?

In a previous game, after being read as scum (correctly) by me, Luca started bitching about something that wasnt true and replaced out. I bitched at him saying Replacing out is against his wincon as I believed it was more being a sore loser than his activity.

Hence why I started with a vote on him because I felt it was a good spot for my vote until I get a feel for the game.

Lol. You seemed to have missed my question. I didn’t ask about Luca. You said there were scummier players than him. I was asking who you considered scummier than him at that time.

I am not worried about your stance vs Luca atm.

[Havo]

Scum really dont want to give out information like I have. None of my reads are falsified, they just arent rock solid because WE JUST STARTED LOL?

Also I answered the question. Next.

P-edit: oh you mean whos scum. Well Robb is a good choice for now and theres others that I want to hear from. I have more town reads than scumreads right now, its different

Here you seem to have realized what my question actually was, but you still avoid it.

You CLEARLY said “There were more scummier people than Luca” who were you talking about? Other than Rob.

[Havo]

Because that's not a good case.

"doesn't vote in first few posts. He has to be scum"

That's you turning nothing into something because you think you can read tonally.

I was more talking about the completely overblown response, especially since my push is weak (which it was).

Smh. Overblown?

Oh so I should have just ignored you. Ok.

[Havo]

vote Azuresky

[Havo]

To be fair, there's not a whole lot for anyone to make out of Day 1, outside of the Azure wagon and all of the shenanigans surrounding that.

Can’t argue with this.

[Havo]

That didn’t feel anything like a Day 1.

Right now Soul is standing out to me, I’m not sure if he’s new tho, could be that.

No real reads on Rob or Tchill yet.

So I’m kinda null on everyone. I’ll go back and do a re read and see if I can get a better feel.

[Havo]

I can say I wasn’t feeling too good about Nom, so I was surprised to see him flip. Disappointed tho actually.

[Havo]

Right now I think Vork and Fallsoul look the worst on that Day 1 wagon.
Fall IMO is an easy vote.

I”ve played with Rob and Tchill a fair amount, I feel i can read them okay after a day or two, but this being a small mini might present some challenges when it comes to that. I’m leaning slight town on both at the moment.

I think Luca is townie so far also.

Flub and PM are completely null to me at this point.

I’d like to hear from Fall so hopefully a prod gets him to show up.
I’d like to place a vote of Vork but that would put him at L-1, and I’d rather hear from FAll before doing that.

[Havo]

PM/Flubber/Havo were low posters day 1 and remain that way today. Anyone who has less posts than the mod can seriously go F themselves. That should never happen. Fall hasn't posted in 5 days and has more posts than those 3.

I don’t disagree with this. It’s time to get going.

[Havo]

vote PM mysterious

I can get onboard with this.

[Havo]

@Pm. Any good reason why you shouldn’t be the lynch today?

[Havo]

@Flub. If Vork is scum who’s most likely his partner?

What’s your reads on Tchill and Rob?

[Havo]

Skitter 'feels' Townie, but not enough content to get a concrete read yet.

yeah this is generally a p bad reason to townread me

Why is this bothering me?

[Havo]

Well IDK. skitters ISO is very town to me.

[Havo]

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

[Havo]

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

@Rob, who’s the most Town to you of these 3?

[Havo]

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

i wanna add vork to this
not sure if flub should be in this
prob not pm either tbh

Well I wouldn’t argue with adding Vork, but a lynch pool of just Vork and Fall seems a bit weak to me.
I haven’t seen enough out of PM or or flub to feel they are town.

[Havo]

Well IDK. skitters ISO is very town to me.

Anything particular that sticks out?

No, it’s more of a composite thing. No guarantees there of course, but yeah, I think it’s pretty townie.
Because I was thinking he wasn’t so much going into his ISO, and then I was like , well. A bit surprised.

[Havo]

I haven't played much in the past 2 years. I'm just now getting back into Mafia again. So, my playstyle may be a little different from before. It's been 7 years since then after all.

Outside of that, I can't really add a lot at the moment.

I'm not sure pm is scummy really ^

I agree, that post was bad but I think it was genuine. I don’t see scum making that post.

[Havo]

As of right now, I have a hard town read on Robb, and a decently strong scum read on Skitter. I don’t have much time today.

I still haven’t been able to fully soak up this game yet, so i’m Going merely surface level.

I’m not quite sure on Vorkuta yet.

I”d like to hear more about this Skitter scum read.

[Havo]

@Mod: Vorkuta hasn’t posted for over three days. Can he get a prod?

And Havo needs replacing + possible deadline extension, although I’m losing the will to play this game atm...

Okay Luca hang in there. I’ll be more active for sure. And I thing this game will pick up when Flavor gets involved.

[Havo]

It would be nice if Vork would come post and give his thoughts.

Right now I don’t really feel any different, other than taking PM out of my lynch pool.

Vork, Fall and Flub.

I’d like to hear more from Tchill

[Havo]

Well I’d hope to see a bit more content, lol.

But Oh well what can I expect?

[Havo]

Unvote

vote Flavor

He needs to get in here and post

[Havo]

@Vork,

Who’s the scumz?

[Havo]

@Rob,

If you couldn’t vote Vork, who would you be voting right now?

[Havo]

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

please give me updates on on:

skitter
Vork
Flavor

Skitter is town
Vork is probably scum
Flavor is being contrary.

[Havo]

I still don’t like Flubs slot.

[Havo]

I don’t have really thoughts and I was just blowing smoke on my entrance. I have trouble grasping games and getting reads when i replace in under fire.

This doesnt sound like you at all

I agree with Flub here tho

[Havo]

Unvote:

FWIW I didn’t realize my vote put Flavor at L-1.

I’m willing to give Flavor some time there.

[Havo]

Vote: Vorkuta

Yeah, I’m good here.

[Havo]

So we haven’t lynched Vork yet?

Not sure what the hold up is.

Oh wait, I see it.

Luca wanted to sort Tchill. That’s a good play, and with all the spewing Tchill just did Luca should be satisfied or close too it.

[Havo]

@Robb,

Hoping all went well and your recovery is quick and painless.

[Havo]

@Tchill,

So when Vork flips scum you gonna be eyeballing me? Lol. Ok. Fair game.

Let’s get to it then.

[Havo]

Vork, Fall and Flub.

I’d like to hear more from Tchill

weren't you just saying that a pool of vork and fall is weak?

@havo

Yep, they were the “easy” pushes at the time and it was early in the day. But here we are at the end of the say and nothing much has changed in my reads.

My reads town to scum

Skitter
Tchill
Luca
Robb
PM
Flub
Flavor
Vork

[Havo]

So we haven’t lynched Vork yet?

Not sure what the hold up is.

Oh wait, I see it.

Luca wanted to sort Tchill. That’s a good play, and with all the spewing Tchill just did Luca should be satisfied or close too it.

Nothing about Tchill’s spew makes me feel any better about him at all. I disagree with his reads and I feel like he’s plucking them out of his backside half the time. His progression on certain slots such as mine, Flavor’s and PM’s feels scummy to me. He was vanity voting me for most of this day phase and had me as his joint highest scumread without every actively pushing for my Lynch, and then suddenly drops even the thought that I might be scum since he’s re-entered the thread, without any update or explanation as to why.

This reads to me like you are holding a grudge against him for sorting you. Kinda the way Robb does at times. People push Robb and he responds by death tunneling them. Lol.

I Have played with Tchill a lot, he’s town IMO. But you play the way you feel best. I think you’re both town.

[Havo]

That is a very strange kill. Who fears Flavor so much?
.

With the heat that slot was getting I wouldn’t have killed him.

[Havo]

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

i wanna add vork to this
not sure if flub should be in this
prob not pm either tbh

Well I wouldn’t argue with adding Vork, but a lynch pool of just Vork and Fall seems a bit weak to me.
I haven’t seen enough out of PM or or flub to feel they are town.

At this point Vorkuta wasn’t even in Havo’s Lynch pool, but then he allows himself to be talked into considering him. There is nothing from this point to the point where Havo’s wondering why Vorkuta hasn’t been lynched yet that explains this huge jump in confidence on his SR.

Havo is definitely scum so I’m almost certainly voting him today, but I’ll wait for everyone to check in first.

On a scale of 1/10. How scum am I?

[Havo]

@Luca,

Can you explain why PM is Town?

[Havo]

This post really does look bad. It was made when both Tchill and Vorkuta were tied at 3 votes each. There is no reason for Havo not to be considering Tchill’s Lynch here if he were Town.

So we haven’t lynched Vork yet?

Not sure what the hold up is.

Oh wait, I see it.

Luca wanted to sort Tchill. That’s a good play, and with all the spewing Tchill just did Luca should be satisfied or close too it.

I considered it for about 2 seconds. I wasn’t lynching Tchill there. On day 2. Nope.

[Havo]

Not to mention Flavor’s only specified SR was Skitter, if I recall correctly.

Everything is pointing towards Skitter, Havo and Tchill being the scumteam, provided there really is three scum.

Its possible I could be wrong on either Robb or Flubs so I’ll look into them shortly.

A scum team of myself, Tchill and Skitter makes sense how?

I’ve all but outright defended Tchill and had Skitter as a top TR.

Have any of us even FOSd the other?

You think we would make it that obvious?

[Havo]

I want to hear from Robb.

[Havo]

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

i wanna add vork to this
not sure if flub should be in this
prob not pm either tbh

Well I wouldn’t argue with adding Vork, but a lynch pool of just Vork and Fall seems a bit weak to me.
I haven’t seen enough out of PM or or flub to feel they are town.

At this point Vorkuta wasn’t even in Havo’s Lynch pool, but then he allows himself to be talked into considering him. There is nothing from this point to the point where Havo’s wondering why Vorkuta hasn’t been lynched yet that explains this huge jump in confidence on his SR.

Havo is definitely scum so I’m almost certainly voting him today, but I’ll wait for everyone to check in first.

On a scale of 1/10. How scum am I?

[Havo]

@Luca,

Can you explain why PM is Town?

[Havo]

Your first question seems scummy to me - it’s like you’re trying to draw out whether I investigated you or something. I’ve said I’m almost certain you’re scum, so you can draw your own conclusions from that.

You also thought PM was Town yesterday. What’s changed?

I want you on record as to how sure you are that I’m scum. Because I’m most certainly not scum.

I know you haven’t investigated me silly.

[Havo]

Your first question seems scummy to me - it’s like you’re trying to draw out whether I investigated you or something. I’ve said I’m almost certain you’re scum, so you can draw your own conclusions from that.

You also thought PM was Town yesterday. What’s changed?

I want to hear why YOU think PM is town.

[Havo]

@Luca,

Is there any way you can see me as town here?

[Havo]

havo how do u read luca rn ?

Town.

[Havo]

havo how do u read luca rn ?

I mean I can see his point to an extent to scum read me. He’s been towny to me all game. Of course he could be scum but I don’t get that right now.

[Havo]

I want to hear Robbs thoughts at this point.

[Havo]

All 3 of those Flub posts make me scratch my head.

[Havo]

Not lynching Luca or Tchill today

I know I'm town. So I really just need one more person I'm comfortable not lynching to start thinking about this

Are you town reading Tchill that much?

[Havo]

Tchill directs the invest onto Flavor, meaning it will be wasted when Flavor is night killed. He also has motive for killing Flavor as they are familiar with each other’s game.

You're saying tchill investigated flavor then killed them?

I can’t even process this.

That’s not what he’s saying.

[Havo]

i think he was out late last week cuz of surgery, not sure where he's been since the day started tho
i hope it went well

you've played with him a lot, do you think you can read him?

Yeah.

I give Tchill and Robb both the same benefit. I usually wait til day 3 on them and I can read them 95% of the time.

They’re both very good players and I refuse to lynch them early unless I know for sure they are scum.

I’m sure that play style by me has helped form Lucas read on me.

[Havo]

I’m Town Motion Detector.

I crumbed it in my very first post.

I scanned Nom nite 1, I detected motion and he wound up the nite kill.

The person I scanned last nite is still alive.

[Havo]

Regarding Havo’s claim, apparently Motion Detector can be either alignment so his claim isn’t particularly AI.

Havo, who did you target last night?

I will reveal that later.

[Havo]

Flicking through loads of mini normals the Motion Detector was Town aligned about three or fours times and aligned with Mafia once, going back to Mini 1999.

Do you recall the setups in those games?

[Havo]

I hope Robb is okay. Haven’t heard anything out of him since he said he was having surgery.

[Havo]

Right now I’m 99.9% sure Tchill is town.

And

80% sure Robb is scum.

[Havo]

Nite 2 I scanned Robb and got No Motion.

Obviously that means Robb didn’t do the kill.

And also obviously, that doesn’t clear him.
But I’m getting heavy scum vibes from him.

[Havo]

ok, why is tchill town

Because I can read him. And no there’s nothing specific I can point too to convince you he’s town. Just my experience from playing with him.

Him pointing out that PM had no interest in Vorks reaction on Day 2 is quite telling.

How are you gonna be a friendly neighbor and your first action is on Vork and you show zero interest in Vorks play the day after you message him?

[Havo]

I’m not saying PM is scum, but his play day 2 after sending the message makes no sense.

[Havo]

I will delve into this heavy tomorrow night when I have plenty of time.

[Havo]

ahh there it is.

Yes, there it is.

Robb you’re 0 for 3 buddy.

That’s scum Robb.

[Havo]

Because I can read him. And no there’s nothing specific I can point too to convince you he’s town. Just my experience from playing with him.

How many games have you two played together?

We’ve only played here a few times but IRL it’s countless.

[Havo]

...what? He was just 80% town

Look again Flub.

[Havo]

I will delve into this heavy tomorrow night when I have plenty of time.

Well, the wife played the unexpected Date Night card tonight. I will be on this Saturday at some point.

[Havo]

But just from quick scanning.

Robb is so scum. LMAO.

[Havo]

i wanted to see if anyone would take that train of thought and run with it.

Him pointing out that PM had no interest in Vorks reaction on Day 2 is quite telling.

How are you gonna be a friendly neighbor and your first action is on Vork and you show zero interest in Vorks play the day after you message him?

I’m not saying PM is scum, but his play day 2 after sending the message makes no sense.

I will delve into this heavy tomorrow night when I have plenty of time.

Havo’s last game related posts is havo agreeing with Tchill and starting to run with it. Then he leaves and says he’ll come back later.

We now have no idea what havo would have done actually but he leaves doubting PMs alignment and agreeing with Tchill.

This at the very least should give Tchill some doubt IF he’s telling the truth.


Yet Tchill holds havo at 100%

Why?

This is frustrated scum. Tchill and Havo can read each other and it’s driving scum Robb insane.

[Havo]

Have fun on “date night”

Which I totally don’t believe btw. You’re ignoring questions you clearly can’t provide answers for so you go lurk some more and cast baseless accusations.

Town havo plays better than this.

I guess you didn’t have surgery either? Huh?

I’ll be on tomorrow and answer all your questions Robb.

[Havo]

Ok, for the next Little while I will be getting in to this, so don’t expect any interactions while I’m posting and reviewing.

Here we go.

[Havo]

I”ve played with Rob and Tchill a fair amount, I feel i can read them okay after a day or two, but this being a small mini might present some challenges when it comes to that. I’m leaning slight town on both at the moment.

@havo - what caused your change from me/tchill null to town. What did you read in those two hours between posts to change your mind?

During that time both of you had made a few posts, nothing great. But as I stated later, I always give you and Tchill the benefit of the doubt the first couple of days. Because I know by day 3 I can read you both with about 90% accuracy.

And at this point with the few posts you had made in between I could see you were both doing your usual game play.

[Havo]

vote PM mysterious

I can get onboard with this.

can you explain how pm went from null to lynch worthy? you make a later post having him in your lynch pool so i'd love to hear your thoughts about how you got there

Yeah, this right here is me using my Vote to apply pressure to sort a read.

(Sarcasm)
This is called Scum hunting Robb, ya know, the thing you accuse me of Not doing. I had PM as a null read and decided it would be a good time to try and sort him by applying pressure. And since a lone vote applies very little pressure, hopping on with another vote adds a good bit more.

And as you also KNOW, a vote to lynch doesn’t always mean you are wanting to actually lynch the person. This here is another red flag for me on you. You are attempting to manipulate what I’m actually doing. You accuse me of going from a Null read to wanting to LYnch PM. I can and will pull my vote at any time, when and if I get the reactions I’m looking for when voting someone.

[Havo]

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

this list just looks like a bunch of easy targets.

Uh, yeah, those were the players that looked pretty bad. Compared to the players who didn’t.

[Havo]

I personally think havo waited to out his 2nd result so he could pick a vt easier. Can’t fake claim MD and name somebody who actually did something.

No, I waited to see what you were gonna claim.

And to no real surprise you refused to claim at all.

[Havo]

Yeah, this game is OVER.

The only way town loses here is if there’s 3 scum and we ML today.
IF there’s 3 scum, then that means scum deserves to win IMO. Because either Skitter, PM or Luca is the third scum and if so, well then Bravo to you.

Confirmed town IMO -

Luca
PM
Skitter

Havo, I”m town

Not confirmed town -

Tchill, who I am 99% sure is town
Flub
Robb, who I am 99% sure is scum.

I will lynch either Flub or Robb today, but I will not cast a vote for anyone else.

IF town chooses to lynch myself or Tchill, then fine, I’m okay with it tbh, because it either ends the game on a great scum win and my hats actually off to them, or it seals scums fate, when myself or Tchill flips town.

[Havo]

Flub willing to vote Tchill in what May be a LyLo is very telling to me.

As for Robb, who I enjoy playing with and know he’s a very good player, I’ve seen it many times.

He’s now ZERO for 4 on scum finding, for all of his complaining about he’s the only one actually scum hunting, he’s been terrible at it and it might not be totally fair, but that’s definitely scum Robb. His push on me is basically a OMGUS push.

[Havo]

@Robb,

You should have bussed here dude. With all the info coming out scum really has no choice here, you have to buss.

[Havo]

I personally think havo waited to out his 2nd result so he could pick a vt easier. Can’t fake claim MD and name somebody who actually did something.

No, I waited to see what you were gonna claim.

And to no real surprise you refused to claim at all.

Yes, you waited to claim until you knew you could find a safe target. If you were legit you would have claimed your target when you claimed the first one. No reason not to.

This is hilarious coming from the guy who refused to claim in Possibly LyLo.

[Havo]

And if I’m wrong and you are actually town, that’s even worse. I’d never expect you to turn to lurking.

Well I haven’t lurked. I haven’t been very active I admit. But I haven’t been lurking.

And I’ve never lurked as scum.

[Havo]

I’ve said my piece. I’m content with this game.

Just waiting now to see now who Luca, PM and Skitter want to vote.

[Havo]

I’m not sure how much more is to be learnt from today. I can’t see my reads changing much at this point. I’m content to go along with the Tchill lynch.

VOTE: Tchill

That’s L-1

Don’t you always scum read Tchill?

[Havo]

Actually no, gut is telling me to vote Havo instead.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Havo

I would be fine with this, if only you would give me cred on my Tchill read when I flipped town.

[Havo]

The Only way town loses here is if town lynches TOWN, Havo or Tchill, then stupidly lynches the other one the next day.

[Havo]

I would be fine with this, if only you would give me cred on my Tchill read when I flipped town.

Explain why you have a town read on him please. What game stuff has he done?

Nothing I can say will satisfy you. Because you are scum.

If you were town you wouldn’t be pushing this. You know a town Tchill/Havo screws you.

That’s why I am completely ok with me or Tchill being the lynch today. Because when either of us flip town it seals scums fate.

Why aren’t you riding Luca right now to get his vote back on me?

[Havo]

The Only way town loses here is if town lynches TOWN, Havo or Tchill, then stupidly lynches the other one the next day.

This means you know there's two scum?

If there’s 3 scum and town lynches me or Tchill they lose.

So how is my statement incorrect?

[Havo]

Havo why aren’t you voting me? You seem convinced I’m scum.

Why are you not voting anyone for that matter?

I have my theory but I’d love to hear you explain it.

I’ve already explained it.

[Havo]

I will lynch either Flub or Robb today, but I will not cast a vote for anyone else.

VOTE: Flub

That’s L-1.

[Havo]

Yes. Lynch me.

[Havo]

The Only way town loses here is if town lynches TOWN, Havo or Tchill, then stupidly lynches the other one the next day.

[Havo]

I was on Flub. I detected No Motion.

I also saw the Bat Signal last nite.

[Havo]

The Only way town loses here is if town lynches TOWN, Havo or Tchill, then stupidly lynches the other one the next day.

So one of you/skitter is scum. You didn’t really want to do it yesterday when you should so now you get another chance. Why should I town read you?

Townies should town read me because I,

Crumbed my role right from the start.

Targeted players that made sense.

Refused to lynch Tchill because I Hard town read him.
Scum Havo could have easily faked a change of mind on that.

Robb you have to understand I HARD scum read you. So don’t get all bent out of shape if I don’t cater to your requests.

[Havo]

Robb/havo is the only pair that can make sense fmpov I think

So are you willing to lynch Robb?

[Havo]

Regardless of my alignment.

You people are now forced to consider something other than a Tchill/Havo scum team.

[Havo]

Flub/Robb is the scumz.

[Havo]

Targeted players that made sense.

No you didn’t and you hid one result until after the claims which makes it easier to fake

Yes I did. And the reason I didn’t reveal is completely legit.

[Havo]

Refused to lynch Tchill because I Hard town read him.

You wouldn’t explain why. Scum havo could do this.

Where was your best scum hunting effort? Show me your best case you made on somebody

No. Show me where you have found a hint of scum. Just a hint.

[Havo]

Robb/havo is the only pair that can make sense fmpov I think

So are you willing to lynch Robb?

Probably

Are you?

Who have I been calling scum?

[Havo]

Targeted players that made sense.

No you didn’t and you hid one result until after the claims which makes it easier to fake

Yes I did. And the reason I didn’t reveal is completely legit.

No it isn’t.

Yes it is. I can do this all day.

[Havo]

Robb you have to understand I HARD scum read you. So don’t get all bent out of shape if I don’t cater to your requests

If you are scum you have to

If you are town you refused to explain why. You said it’s cause I was 0-3

If being wrong is a scummy, you’re 0-6

I don’t have to do shit. I’ve nailed this game.

If scum wins it’s because town wouldn’t listen to me.

I’ve ALREADY won.

[Havo]

I can’t wait to read the scum forum.

[Havo]

So which one of you is finally gonna bus first?

Flub is hinting at it.

[Havo]

VOTE: havo

Scum confirmation here.

Voting in LyLo before everyone has checked in. Lol.

[Havo]

Robb/havo is the only pair that can make sense fmpov I think

I havent removed you from the mix yet.

I'm leaning towards flubb/robb

I want to talk to pm before i settle on anything

Did anyone get a friendly neighbor message?

I was on Flub. I detected No Motion.

I also saw the Bat Signal last nite.

[Havo]

Crumbed my role right from the start.

Targeted players that made sense.

Again crumbing your role isnt ai; i think your role is real but that it speaks nothing for your alignment

Why were you on flubber last night?

Because I was on Robb last nite.

I believe you and PM.

[Havo]

Because in what universe am i scum here, pray tell?

3 people left it could be. It’s obviously a two man scum team and I came in wanting to sort everyone fairly. Havo is scum or essentially game threw cause he still won’t explain anything.

I’ve explained everything, more than once.

You are scum beating a dead horse here. Doing everything you can to shade me. It’s quite obvious.

[Havo]

Only one clear. Everyone else is a suspect. If you clear somebody, explain how.

Havo should explain how he cleared you as possible scum.

PM is confirmed town.

Skitter is 99% town because.

Skitter claimed she got town VT on Luca, she would have died due to the loyal modifier so basically Skitter was town clearing, confirming Luca town. Why do this as scum? Why not pick a lesser player?

PM town cleared Luca after Skitter did. No way Skitter knows that’s coming.

Skitter claimed Luca was a VT BEFORE Luca claimed.


If Skitter is scum, then hats off to her. Well played.

[Havo]

Because I was on Robb last nite.

?

I was on Robb the nite before.

[Havo]

I'm kinda thinking robb/flubb rn

Let it flow all over you.

[Havo]

Robb if I’m scum who’s my team mate?

[Havo]

Pm i kinda feel like scum doesnt have enough power if havo is town

Uh, ...... how do you know?

I mean you’re stating scum doesn’t have enough power yet, how do you know what scum has?

[Havo]

Vork didn’t acknowledge PM sending the message nite 1.

Scum could have RB’d PM nite 1.

Scum could have a Ninja ability to counter the MD.

[Havo]

Pm i kinda feel like scum doesnt have enough power if havo is town

Shit. I don’t like this at ALL.

[Havo]

Going through this, I can confirm that I visited Havo the previous night to confirm to him I'm town.

Robb voting Havo and no one quick hammering makes it safe to say that either Havo is scum or Robb is scum. Maybe both, who knows?

Yeah. Robb is scum.

Who the hell votes in LyLo that quick?

[Havo]

Havo wants to wait and feel everyone out first.

This is middle school level thinking. You don’t vote in LyLo until everyone has discussed what’s going on. Period.

You refuse to mass claim. You vote early in LyLo. You keep spouting the same garbage relentlessly.

This is scum Robb.

[Havo]

Pm i kinda feel like scum doesnt have enough power if havo is town

Shit. I don’t like this at ALL.

Oh? Do tell

You're arguing that the scum team is flubb/robb

If you're town, there's 4 town prs, and it's 9:2

And neither of the people in your potential scumteam did anything either night you checked them

It's possible the other acted the night you checked one, or possible that they're ninja but from your results, if you're town, the scumteam is either like ninja or did a really good job guessing which night you'd target a specific member of the scumteam

Well they knew I checked Robb nite before last. What’s the odds I check him 2 nites in a row?

What’s the odds one of them has a ninja ability and I checked them?

[Havo]

Pm i kinda feel like scum doesnt have enough power if havo is town

Shit. I don’t like this at ALL.

Oh? Do tell

We don’t know what roles they have. You stated that like you knew.

If I wasn’t 99% sure you were town, I would read that as a scum slip.

I didn’t like it. It pinged me big time.

[Havo]

You refuse to mass claim. You vote early in LyLo. You keep spouting the same garbage relentlessly.

This is typical rob. You even said earlier I was typical rob. That means I’m town

Okay, entertain this thought.

If I’m town and you’re town.

Why would Skitter town clear Luca?

[Havo]

Didnt you wait to claim your result n2 until after robb claimed vt ?

Yes.

[Havo]

Rob if you’re town, take your vote off me.

[Havo]

Didnt you wait to claim your result n2 until after robb claimed vt ?

Yes.

Why?

Because I wanted to see if you would claim a role. That’s why.

[Havo]

If I’m scum, I could have easily claimed Flub had motion last nite.

Or Robb for that matter.

But I gave my No Motion results on both of them.

[Havo]

Well when Flub shows up, we will find out for sure if it’s Flub and Skitter.

[Havo]

I’m done arguing with havo. It’s not going anywhere.

Until he gives me what I’ve asked for , I can only assume he’s scum.

I’ve extended the olive branch. You’ve ignored it.

[Havo]

Oh ffs

Lol.

Just vote Rob or Flub. We win.

[Havo]

Look, this game was solved when all the info came out.

Scum team got screwed by that.

IDK what roles scum has, but I’m sure it’s Rob and Flub.

I can read Tchill and Robb both very well after a couple of days.

[Havo]

Well when Flub shows up, we will find out for sure if it’s Flub and Skitter.

Uh huh

Great timing on the shading

Also i'm p sure we were online at the same time earlier this afternoon, but you know

Was Flub on when Robs vote was on me? Serious question.

[Havo]

Well when Flub shows up, we will find out for sure if it’s Flub and Skitter.

Uh huh

Great timing on the shading

Also i'm p sure we were online at the same time earlier this afternoon, but you know

Was Flub on when Robs vote was on me? Serious question.

Because if so, that should be ball game. No?

[Havo]

I can read Tchill and Robb both very well after a couple of days.

You can never read me.

Oh I know it’s killing you buddy.

Like I said, I can’t wait to read the scum forum.

[Havo]

Oh ffs

Lol.

Just vote Rob or Flub. We win.

Ya i'm not doing anything till i talk it over with pm

Okay just do this, if I’m scum, figure out who my partner is and vote them please.

I hate to put the Onus on you two, but you guys are the town clears, so you should be leading the lynch.

[Havo]

The last game we played you called me scum iirc. I faked claimed a guilty on you cause I thought you were scum


Have you ever correctly read me?

90% of the time. You have a very distinctive tell.

[Havo]

That’s a lie. You almost never read me correctly

No Robb you are lying.

I love playing with you because you are easy for me to read.

Only time we ever have issues is when you Death tunnel me, then you just say, oh well, it’s how you play.

[Havo]

And that doesnt read as being survivalistic at all but you know

Well I’m just telling ya, if I’m scum in your POV, then Rob or Flub has to be my partner.

So just figure that out and lynch one.

Do you really think Rob and I are putting on a big show?

[Havo]

I begged you guys not to lynch Tchill. Why would I clear a good player like that?

If I’m scum I’m killing Tchill early. Lol.

[Havo]

Only time we ever have issues is when you Death tunnel me, then you just say, oh well, it’s how you play.

It’s cause I almost always catch you but nobody listens.

Lol. I don’t think You have Ever Death tunneled me when I was scum. if so it was a long time ago.

[Havo]

Tchill isn’t a good player.

You begged us not to lynch him but couldn’t explain why....

Oh Rob, never change buddy.

I’m out for the nite.

[Havo]

I still don’t know what Tchill did this game to warrant a town read from you.

What did he do?

He played his town game. Maybe one day you will get good enough to see it.

[Havo]

I think claimed to be on robb n2 and and flubb n3

This

[Havo]

VOTE: Flubber

[Havo]

PM I’m not sure you get killed tonight, so you might want to prepare yourself to pick between me and Robb.

[Havo]

Gg scum team.

If I had to do it again, I’d still vote Flub the way it played out.