Undertale Semi-Open 1.1 - Snowdin Snowdown

[Wisdom]

lets go for a pacifist ending

[Wisdom]

We identify four townies and win. Townhunting is better than scumhunting and this playerlist is good for application

[Wisdom]

We identify four townies and win. Townhunting is better than scumhunting and this playerlist is good for application

Been there, done that, won as scum. Let's move on and make it hard for the scum to win.

Making it hard to win for scum is what im trying to do.

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HEAL: chennis

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I dont care about statistics im confident we can get four townies spared

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like im already feeling you and chennis are town
thats three already

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oversoul on the other hand looks scummy so far

[Wisdom]

not by me tho

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youre certainly not obvtown
and you have the capability to be.

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i dont know you but you feel easy to read indeed

[Wisdom]

why do you think becoming obvtown is not important here? It looks pretty important especially if we go for pacifist

@oversoul

[Wisdom]

sounds like you did it last game and it backfired?

[Wisdom]

I think youre echoing me.

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now you have players like nacho and mastina here tho.

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Dont see this playerlist following chennis (if that is even bad)

[Wisdom]

I think youre echoing me.

I just like your thought process.

nacho is easy to read
mastina sure its hard for me too

[Wisdom]

quote irrelevant

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so you think the mixed route is better? what about the genocide one

[Wisdom]

Good to know ur town wisdom

its page 1, 1-10 strength of read?

bad first post

[Wisdom]

so far nymph and gingie are on my radar for awkward entrances

[Wisdom]

Elements looks pretty town

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Scum dont pr hunt that obviously tho

[Wisdom]

still dislike gingie.

[Wisdom]

ok youre doing it on purpose. I dislike you less

[Wisdom]

Scum dont pr hunt that obviously tho

[Wisdom]

genocide is just vanilla though and poisoner is the worst pr in bad hands even if we have him

[Wisdom]

I think if we have poisoner theyre best off claiming and getting spared

[Wisdom]

so far nymph and gingie are on my radar for awkward entrances

towny mindmeld

I don't see how Nymph can be considered awkward from her posting so far, I don't agree with this, so weird "mindmeld" in my opinion

Nymph hadnt posted much at that point. Right now im feeling better about her

[Wisdom]

Good thing to know Wisdom is already somewhat scummy. Another good thing to know that I probably won’t get him killed but we can try.

is it because i called myself town? Or because you disagree with my chennis and elements townreads?

[Wisdom]

you may scum read me but you also scumread Soul.

Im not

[Wisdom]

I want to go Genocide.

Yeah, no. Here's what's going to happen:

You tell us if your post 188 being written in comic sans is you claiming to be the power role sans

If it's not, you're getting lynched for that. If it is, we wait to see if anybody counterclaims (if somebody does, then you die) and then if nobody does our best move is, ironically, to go for either neutral or pacifist after sparing you.

And if you are sans, here's where you went wrong:

1) Your soft was so obvious that it wasn't a soft but was instead a claim (remember, there are 2 mafia so they're more likely to spot it than a normal townie). In reality, your pr is bad and your pr in your hands is BAD
2) Arguing against the perfectly viable neutral strategy just because you wanted genocide is, in fact, an agenda, and I believe I was correct in 'catching on' that you were playing to an agenda
3) Stop trying to be clever

By the way, I don't want you to have the opportunity to use your power role to kill somebody anyway - though you'd die before then - because I think you are below average and unwilling to listen to others in your selection, and I am playing to win this game.

HEAL: rakan

218 is really town

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didn't mean to quote but yeah

[Wisdom]

To be clear i dont agree with rakan's read on oversoul, i just think rakan is pretty town

[Wisdom]

As for Oversoul: He's either a pr and will die tonight if we don't spare him, or he's fake softing and should be killed for that

like
fake softing could be town motivated

[Wisdom]

Why are people saying I'm tunneling? He hard softed pr, he's either mafia or actually pr, and we should react appropriately. That's not tunneling...

no

leave oversoul alone and read others

[Wisdom]

Good thing to know Wisdom is already somewhat scummy. Another good thing to know that I probably won’t get him killed but we can try.

is it because i called myself town? Or because you disagree with my chennis and elements townreads?

The latter. But it seems you're not the only one with that opinion so maybe I'm out of the loop.

Do you have any reads?

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About the mechanics discussion: I think we townhunt and spare and we decide later whether pacifist or neutral
Townhunting is just much more accurate and easier than trying to locate two scum

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like tbf right now im not feeling scumvibes from anyone that's posting, even gingie got better after posting
Nacho and mastina need to do things before i declare them poe scum

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xayah is prolly my weakest townlean from the rest
but im not the best maria reader.

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are you defending yourself for being absent mastina?
++ scum points

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she needs to be town first

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nope, you need to get out of my poe.

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is nymph being bad on purpose because it's an alt gimmick or

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do it

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Anyone else get nothing from the Mastina and Nacho posts or is it just me

its not just you.

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so who is scum, nacho?

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I dont want to be spared. Im useless in a pt where i cant talk to people and figure them out.

[Wisdom]

and nacho ignoring this means hes likely scum

[Wisdom]

nacho/xayah my top scumreads, nymph just behind them, mastina still pretty null, others more or less townish

[Wisdom]

dont see how lynch is better

[Wisdom]

Id lynch xayah if we had to lynch
but id rather spare rakan or chennis or elements

[Wisdom]

shes scummy

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yeah lets spare rakan

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Idc if rakan is town because even if ur town sparing rakan is prolly in scums gameplan

Why?

[Wisdom]

Wisdom is near universally town read

I have no clue as to why but if someone gives me a nudge i see Wisdom being today's spare

no

[Wisdom]

spare rakan cmon. Just 3 days left.

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Otherwise ill switch to chennis.

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I do trust Wisdom.

you trust me to lead the game to victory from a pt?
yeah right. You just want me out of the thread.

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then its good to spare him

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Do you mean to say that you thought rakan healing was rvs or..?

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HURT: Mastina

Not even sure that this is correct but I don't hink that it's a much better direction than yesterday. I don't want Chemist spared. I don't think Chemist is even a valid spare target. Is one of Oversoul/Elements willing to take a stab at explaining why?

ew. nacho still scum

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HEAL: gingie

ill reread chemist, maybe ill join that, but gingie is town
I can probably heal elements too

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But Rakan was scum

wrong

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I isod chemist and don't feel comfortable sparing him.
Lets spare gingie.

[Wisdom]

mastina if youre town youre not helping
leave your ego aside

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^
spare town over lynching angry mastinas

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elements. heal gingie.

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We're def not sparing you and we're not lynching
Heal gingie.

[Wisdom]

Wait that's wrong
HURT: gingie
627 is way tmi

no

[Wisdom]

I don't like Elements anymore.

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Scum are against sparing another obvtown so theyre stalling, huh?

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all i see is scum afraid of the 4 town spares

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id be too in their place

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I wasn't in the last game so i don't particularly care about it

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just spare town with me and we wont have this problem

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yet i was at the top of your list a few posts ago

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It feels like youre just trying to spread paranoia, which feeds even more into my belief that scum are afraid ill just sweep them

[Wisdom]

sure

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we weren't anyway

[Wisdom]

mastina is mastina. She can be like that as town.

If we had to lynch, id go for nacho, xayah, or elements.

But we're sparing gingie.

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Town aren't always playing pro-town. If youre so shallow you will rarely catch scum.

Nacho is much better than this as town.

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nah chennis would be my default spare if he wasnt dead. He was pretty obvtown.

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three days to go is not a lot of time in ms

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and i don't "constantly" say i dont want to be spared. I did it twice when people put it forward as the thing to do

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and how do you get "i want to be townread" from any of that?
if anything pushing for pacifist seems to be pretty unpopular, so?

Still looks to me like you just dont want people to townread me.

[Wisdom]

sure you do

am i right on nacho being your buddy? Im missing my 100% accuracy old times

[Wisdom]

i don't like that im not killed

something is wrong here

HURT: nacho

[Wisdom]

The problem with going for a pacifist ending is that there are no chances to reevaluate and that is very extremely horribly bad for town. No flip games have an obscenely high scum win percentage for that very reason; the chance that we get it 100 percent right on our first try is not great but with the chance to reassess our win % improves

HEAL: Oversoul

notice whats wrong here?

[Wisdom]

whats your nacho read

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pro tip if you want to pressure vote dont announce it as such

[Wisdom]

Your conclusion doesnt follow. Shouldn't you want a flip to help you with the things you mentioned?

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And really, you say you want pacifist and youre healing oversoul over me?
bull. You don't do this as town.

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THAT BEING SAID, I agree. I don't think any of your "big three" should be spared - I think those three players + Xayah have the largest scum ranges and if we're going Pacifist they basically don't get touched.

so youre saying town you cant say im town here?

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unless i was a pacifist supporter so you felt safe

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if ive spared your buddy and im gunning for pacifist, sure

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why are you not sparing me, nacho? you still didn't answer that. I dont buy for a second you townread oversoul more.

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And why do you feel this is doomed and you want to go pacifist onstead of getting a flip? That also makes zero sense.

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excuses. You know this is town me and even tried to spare me on a previous day.

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early game went fine, we spared two pretty town people. Even this solely shows you dont have the mindset you should have.

Who said we need to lynch twice? One flip is what you should want given the thought process youve described.

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sorry i dont see how you give up on scumhunting, declare we go for pacifist even though you don't like pacifist and while theres still time to change that, and heal a mediocre townread on top of that.

Nothing youre doing even remotely resembles what i expect from town you.

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"i would do x as scum" is commonly argued by scum after the chance has passed. Its not a good argument.

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Like there are myriads of reasons you keep me alive, some of which i already outlined. And they even go beyond logic. It can be as simple as "I want to endgame Wisdom. We're not killing him."

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so even if i accept everything else

how is sparing oversoul the key to turning this, in your opinion, bad gamestate, around?

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srsly now?

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nice one