Mini Normal 2101 - Electronic Music Mafia [GAME OVER]

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hey all!

VOTE: nom

@sky i have regular vla fridays and saturdays

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Seems like I have fans
VOTE: Tchill13

Hey nom

Did u roll scum this time?

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Oh, I just checked the playerlist.

VOTE: Luca

You have 3 posts to prove to me youre town. Good luck

Why does he have 3 posts to prove he's town? Do u know him from before? Do u expect him to obvtown by then?

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VOTE: pmysterous

Y was that post a voteworthy offense?

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Seems like I have fans
VOTE: Tchill13

Hey nom

Did u roll scum this time?

I wish.
Now I actually have to scumhunt lol

I like my vote on tchill though for what it's worth.

y tho? has he even posted yet?

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Why might it be enticing?

Same reason why I voted tchill: awkward entrance. Call me crazy but I pay a lot of attention to wording. Tchill ending a sentence with "lol." makes me feel awkward, possibly because I've rarely seen someone put a dot after a "lol" which makes the post sound forced but I might be wrong.

Havo is more or less the same reason: the two posts gave me this feeling: "hi! Oh crap I forgot to vote like everyone else usually does HERE'S A RANDOM PERSON", which also sounds a bit forced.

Again, might sound crazy, but I've caught scum this way before so hey

oh i didn't even notice that he'd posted whoops

i dont' think that the lol there makes the post feel forced really
i kinda agree with havo's tho, the vote seems kinda like an afterthought and like he realized he forgot to do the Thing To Do (tm) in this stage of the game

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VOTE: flubbernugget

What a name lol.

Yes he has lol

yeah i missed it somehow

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Btw for those at home counting, Luca is at 4.

Personally idc if he gets lynched, but theres scummier people at hand right now

like who?

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Azure is just seems at Luca for some reason. But why is Vorkuta voting for Luca too?

this is pinging me ^

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I'm kind of weirded out that everyone takes Azure's posts seriously when for me it seemed pretty clear it was lolposting.

Unrelated but I got a town vibe on Vork right now, can't explain it.

idk she reads to me as being kinda serious?

like the way she's presenting it is a little weird (you're at 4 votes rn) but i do think she means things like 'there are scummier people than luca'

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uh hi wtf was that yesterday

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there's no way that was an all-town wagon

i dont' like any of: vork, fallsoul, tchill

robb was being awful but in a way that i think is nai for him
i think tchill can prob read him better than i can but i'm not townreading tchill rn so i'm wary of trusting him

luca i actually kinda think is townie

i don' really have reads on the other people

this is one of the games where i have too many scumreads and don't have nearly enough townreads

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i actually think that vork had one of the worst votes out of all of them. why are you waiving away his vote?

i don't really feel like the day should have ended there, and i didn't really get the vibe that he just wanted the day to end either and that's why he hopped on
(tbf i also read the whole day in one chunk overnight so it's possible i missed something)

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pedit @ pm ^

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I dont see an intent to hammer.

let's fix that

intent

intent intensifies

Is there a TL;DR (didn't wade through pages of shitposting and obviously personal attacks) for yours truly as to why you think the way ^?
Can it not be entirely plausible that the conflict is TvTv...T?

vork i didn't like these two posts ^
they came way before the selfvote

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Seriously though, PM's above posts don't really do anything for me. I don't get his line about my 'motivation' for being on the Azure wagon. I didn't just vote her because she put me under pressure - that had nothing to do with it whatsoever. I don't really like the analysis in general, particularly the points about Tchill and Rob at the end. And I'm not as likely to be scum because I was 'lax' about the wagon? Again, I don't get it.

i feel like pm's post to open the day was very iioa

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Skitter 'feels' Townie, but not enough content to get a concrete read yet.

yeah this is generally a p bad reason to townread me

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First order of business IMHO: is this post death spewing accurate or personally motivated?

i think it's everythign she had on her mind but i don't put much credence into it; she lists like more than half the game as being in her scumpool

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luca is still townie

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maybe tchill also, actually

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VOTE: fallsoul

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i dislike both of them

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VC 1.02

Azuresky (6): Robbnva, Luca Blight, Fallsoul, Tchill13, Azuresky, Vorkuta
nomnomnom (1): skitter30
Fallsoul (1): nomnomnom
PMysterious (1): Flubbernugget

Not Voting (2): Havo, PMysterious

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-30 00:30:00).

Fun fact - The electronica album I've been working on is basically done! It's coming out in December.

doubt the d1 wagon was all town.

VOTE: Luca

no

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I think Luca, Flub and Pmysterious need rope.

"but why tchill, explain yourself"

I dont like overly explaining this early. Those are the ones i think should be pushed.

y flub ?
y pm ?

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i dislike both of them

Is there more than one post that pings you?

fallsoul's entire iso is awful
i don't like vork's intent yesterday
i don't actually inherently have a problem with the vote, i dislike the posturing that happened well before that

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PM, you seem to have a few SR’s but you’re not pushing them or voting anyone. Any reason for this?

I don't want to push any scum read unless I'm certain about it. All I have for each of them is the Azure wagon and their reasons (as stated on their posts and by the actions of Azure) for being on said wagon. By itself, this is not a lot to go off of, but it does act as a solid starting point, since as stated by so many people, it clearly is not an all-town wagon.

right, and this is why you're feeling hedge-y to me, and iioa-y to me

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You say posturing, I say trying to solve and/or peacekeep.

the intent came before the meltdown and selfvote, that's what i keep saying

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Vork felt somewhat townie on D1 but PM hasn’t shown anything positive yet.

pm i see you have an older join date - have you played much mafia recently?

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Flubs continues to be ridiculously low-key. In a weird way I’m almost leaning town because he’s not even trying to make himself look good. Him and Havo need to step up either way.

i'm not sure this is ai for flub
or at least i'm p sure it isn't inherently scummy for him

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UNVOTE:
voteparking on someone who siteflaked probably isn't that helpful

i can vote vork i can think

i'm not really feeling the pm wagon rn
i kinda hate the way he's playing but i'm not sure it's actually scummy

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Skitter 'feels' Townie, but not enough content to get a concrete read yet.

yeah this is generally a p bad reason to townread me

Why is this bothering me?

idk
i apparently have some need to point out when people are reading me for nai reasons

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I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

i wanna add vork to this
not sure if flub should be in this
prob not pm either tbh

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Vork felt somewhat townie on D1 but PM hasn’t shown anything positive yet.

pm i see you have an older join date - have you played much mafia recently?

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I haven't played much in the past 2 years. I'm just now getting back into Mafia again. So, my playstyle may be a little different from before. It's been 7 years since then after all.

Outside of that, I can't really add a lot at the moment.

I'm not sure pm is scummy really ^

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flub needs to be invest or vigged.

luca or Vork is my best bet at scum on the d1 wagon.

Luca i think was the towniest vote on the wagon, i dont get why you're scumreading him
I agree that vork's interactions with the wagon were p bad. And he keeps saying i dislike his vote which i've repeatedly said is *not* what i'm pushing him for

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I hate their music: Luca, Vork

I've never heard of them: Pmysterious, flubb, fallsoul

I'd go to a concert for free: skitter, Robb, Havo

I bought front row tickets: (still saving my money)

Why are havo and robb townie?

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UNVOTE:
voteparking on someone who siteflaked probably isn't that helpful

i can vote vork i can think

i'm not really feeling the pm wagon rn
i kinda hate the way he's playing but i'm not sure it's actually scummy

I feel like PM is trying deliberately not to do anything scummy, which is scummy in itself.

If you're fine with voting Vork then why not do so?

I very probably will when i finish catching up and see a vc

I feel like pm has been out of site meta for a while and doesnt know how to adopt to the new meta, esp if this is their first game back

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Tchill looks pretty town. I would have liked to have seen them do more than just two things D1 (azure placate & nom push) but I'm pretty sympathetic to why that isn't the case. They deff had a good effort to try and dig the game out of the situation it was in, and I believe them when they say they wouldn't do that as scum.

Where do you think he tried to dig the game out of the situation it was in ????

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The majority of rob's play D1 was an azure tunnel which deff doesn't ring town. Town does tunnel too so it's not lockscum but I wouldn't have much concern if a wagon sprung up here.

That being said their D2 play looks a little better

Unfortunately i think this is wholly nai for him

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Oh boy

Why do you feel so like subdued ... ???

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Oh boy

I was actually going to come in defending this slot a little, but I think this is scum indicative.

Heya fl

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VOTE: vork

i shall be vla until wednesday, with no interner access for most of that time

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Because i dont think you've done anything ai or that you cant fake ?.
Why should i be townreading you here?

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I’ve done more than half the player list including you so da fuck you talkin bout Willis?

a) it took me a while to place this quote lol
b) doing more than half the pl is townie because ____ - now you fill in the blank

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As of right now, I have a hard town read on Robb, and a decently strong scum read on Skitter. I don’t have much time today.

do tell on both of these

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So you think he’d be playing differently as scum this game?

honestly, i don't know
it's more that i don't think the reasons he's being scumread for are very good

or, in other words, the things he's being scumread for are nai imo

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I would like these questions answered before the end of the game day if at all possible.

this might be a weird question but if you were scum here how much would you be using the scum pt ?

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Well I wouldn’t argue with adding Vork, but a lynch pool of just Vork and Fall seems a bit weak to me.
I haven’t seen enough out of PM or or flub to feel they are town.

a) i'm going to point out that i wanted vork/fall before they became the pushes de jour today
b) i don't think the things pm or flub are being pushed for are ai
they need to be resolved somehow before lylo but i don't think they've actually done anything scummy imo

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I agree, that post was bad but I think it was genuine. I don’t see scum making that post.

i guess i kinda feel like scum would be more try-hardy than that tbh
it was a post that rang very honest imo

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Vork, Fall and Flub.

I’d like to hear more from Tchill

weren't you just saying that a pool of vork and fall is weak?

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@skitter- come on. What even is this push.
You know my MO when it comes to scum games so if you think this even compares to cats then I have nothing but facepalm emojis for you

you seem to like have ~real thoughts~ when you're town
when you're scum you make shitty pushes (ahem on the slot that claimed miller in cats)
and seem to lose motivation to post sometimes (although tbf you were apparently vla, but i didn't know that like before this post)
i think your push on azure yesterday was god awful
if you're town how am i looking at this wrongly?

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I guess it’s possible he could be scum, but I can’t remember scum ever being lynched in such an easy manner when a game has been in such a lifeless state. The current game state is the perfect environment for scum to stay in the shadows.

i mean the game is just kinda dead
if vork is scum it's with one of the players who have been very low impact / who don't know how to change the wagon / who arent' able to change the wagon

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I contribute at my own pace as I can't pull decent and solid reads out of my backside, especially when I'm in the center of attention and hogging the spotlight

um since when is this a thing?

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@skitter- come on. What even is this push.
You know my MO when it comes to scum games so if you think this even compares to cats then I have nothing but facepalm emojis for you

so why do you think skitter is town?

Don’t really appreciate you ignoring this question. You talk to skitter like you know he’s town. You ignoring it makes me think I may be right. Unless he’s your scum buddy. Either way it looks weird.

(i'm still a she)

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Ugh, I haven’t read completely, and the slowdown of the site messed with me.

I’m VT. I think I’m L-2, right?

Pushing me as “needs to get in here” is a bad reason because I’m an incredibly active scum player, and Havo has seen me as scum.

this is, uh, not the reaction i expect from you, as either alignment

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I disagree as I am horrible at having any "good" (correct and relevant- not just crowdpleasing) thoughts as town and my only contribution is to sheep someone I hope is town (unless I have a PR).
Shitty pushes as scum was just a trick or two trying to invoke "too audacious to actually be scum". I wasn't quite satisfied with the results so yeah.
As for the azure "push", it was honestly genuine questioning and poking around until the self-vote. I have a history of distrusting any and all scum-claims/self-votes.
If Azure would've kept a clear head, I'd've probably moved on.
Motivation comes and goes tbh. You can imagine how motivated I am/was to poke around in the middle of personal drama, and deal with the inevitable fallout (I still think robb should be policy'd for his D1 play)

a) i said ~real~ thoughts, i didn't say good ones, necessarily. what i mean is that when you're town, i can track your thought processes for the most time, even if i disagree or don't like what you're thinking. in contrast, i don't really see that here.
b) for like the fifth time, it's not your vote on azure that bothered me. it's the fact that you gave intent *before* her meltdown, on like page 6. *that* to me felt like you were itching for a lynch. i can understand the vote later, i don't like the intent before the self-vote. i also dislike how you keep going back to the vote when that isn't, and never was, what i was talking about
c) i mean are you saying you're still demotivated because of the azure thing?

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since all my town games?
As scum, I just have to pull stuff out of my backside and appease the crowd.
As town, my reads actually have to be.... you know... "correct" as pretending to do shit doesn't get me closer to my wincon

VOTE: tchill- reread his ISO, disagree with his D1 play, don't like his D2 pushes

i mean, am i supposed to read this as you trying to be 'correct' and not just you 'pulling stuff out of your backside'?

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skitter and papa leaf are just players that I probably will never be able to read confidently and the hypothetical utility that they may bring to town will outweigh any case I may come up with for lynching either of them early.

also isn't this what you pulled in ofrhz's game?

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Skitter,

If vork as scum can have issues with waning activity, why would they be playing into robb's tunnel so hard while the vork wagon dies down? Seems like a perfect opportunity to lay low

he responds to pressure as scum iirc, when he isn't like ~needed~ he tends to fade into the background

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I would probably check on it when I get the chance to do so. The more times I have to check it, the better, just like any other topic board. Is there any particular reason to ask?

i had a reason for asking but i'm blanking on it, i'm sure it will come to me soon

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Flavor was saying that he intended to defend Vorkuta, who was the main wagon at the time, but found this remark to be scummy.

Oh boy

I was actually going to come in defending this slot a little, but I think this is scum indicative.

i read it like this ^

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as of right now vork is more dead weight than any player in this game who's inactive because he keeps talking about how bad he is as town and he even mentioned skitter/leaf being "Gods" of some sort. talked as if he couldnt even touch them.

not happy with vork or flavor at all.

tbf i actually get that a lot
as does fl i'm p sure

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I don’t have really thoughts and I was just blowing smoke on my entrance. I have trouble grasping games and getting reads when i replace in under fire.

i don't even know what to do with this coming from you

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i don't even think i've seen you do this as replacing in either, as either alignment

i'm still happy with my vork vote, i think

fl is a great invest target imo

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fl is a great invest target imo

is it weird that i think that town!fl is more likely to be like this spaced out of the game?

All right guys and gals. Having surgery in the morning. Won’t be active much tomorrow.

good luck! i hope it goes ok!!!

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Once again- for like the fifth time, I am unable to HAVE a thought process when all I'm doing is defending from a death tunnel after an unfortunate period of downtime

funny, i was about to say that it doesn't look like you're doing anything besides responding to people pushing you. i don't get why this precludes you from forming other reads

.....
you know that even azure herself acknowledged that as a reaction test right?

she thought you were onwagon already

40% yes- robb is still in the game and with 0 ramifications and that's complete bull. 0 scrutiny whatsoever on that slot and everyone's shrugged it off and that's BS

so instead of pushing rob you complain about how demotivated you are because ...

doesn't mean it's not true and I don't feel that way
I pull this exact shit with papa leaf in every game regardless of alignment so idk

it's still weird as fuck

ehhhh, no. As scum, I like taking advantage of declining activity/game-state (for some reason there's been quite a bit of that in some of my games ) and score free town-points by pretending to show initiative/stepping-up/leading/contributing
faking it is much easier than actually getting it right

i remember you disappearing for long periods during the more chaotic periods of cats. like you were literally nowhere during the me/nero thing

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Skitter,

If vork as scum can have issues with waning activity, why would they be playing into robb's tunnel so hard while the vork wagon dies down? Seems like a perfect opportunity to lay low

he responds to pressure as scum iirc, when he isn't like ~needed~ he tends to fade into the background

That's what I'm saying though

It doesn't feel like it's needed here

i'm not sure i follow what you're saying

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Again, like Flavor, Tchill never answered the question I had for him, which is a problem for me. A big problem.

why is this such a problem for you?
or, asked differently, why do you view this as a scummy act

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i don't even think i've seen you do this as replacing in either, as either alignment

i'm still happy with my vork vote, i think

fl is a great invest target imo

fl is like 3rd or 4th on invest target viability atm.

i mean, who would you put ahead of him on the list?

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Flubber shows reasoning. He's more active than when he previously was in cats (idk if activity is a tell for him or not) but yeah

it's nai for him

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scum is not gonna loudly tunnel a different person every day phase that is a horrible strategy.

eh i'm p sure it's just robb's playstyle, and that he does just that as both alignments. i'm not sure he actually has a strategy when he does it

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i think tchill comes off a lot better than vork in their thing

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so 4 of us have been weary of vork scum the majority of d2.

flub has done little to nothing. FL replaced into a suspicious slot in a lifeless manner.

prob 2 scum in Vork/FL/Flubb

if 3 scum probably one in havo/skitter/Robbvna (cus im not perfect)

both lists are in order of suspicion.

Vork def needs to be the lynch this day phase given 4 ppl have fos'd him pretty consistently. He flips scum im looking at Havo/flubb.

Vork flips town im looking at FL/Flubb/(if a 3rd) Skitter

my read of you is independent of vork. Youre scum because you havent made an effort to solve hardly at all. most youve done is take vorks side in robb! scum.

scum ML me. Scum ML robb next day phase.

Pretty sure thats whats going on here. Especially since Vork made the comment that Robb is mislynch bait and wont be NK'd by scum.

regardless of my feelings towards vork 3 others believe hes scum also.

Flub youre just scum based on your play. Regardless of vorks alignment.

just like vork is scum based on vorks play. regardless of vorks alignment.

only association ive ssen so far is maybe havo/vork and that i dont believe FL is scum with Vork but thats much weaker than the havo/vork connection.

ehhhhh actually i'm not such a fan of these

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Vork, Fall and Flub.

I’d like to hear more from Tchill

weren't you just saying that a pool of vork and fall is weak?

@havo

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Well that's a bizarre nk

I think it might be lylo, depending on how many scum there are

We should prob mass claim

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I feel like Tchill is scum and Skitter and Havo were the ones protecting him.

I dont do half-assed defenses of scum partners like that
(Outside of the newbie queue, at least)

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Tchill directs the invest onto Flavor, meaning it will be wasted when Flavor is night killed. He also has motive for killing Flavor as they are familiar with each other’s game.

i rely on the manipulation of FL to win me scum games. I dont nk the guy.

Recent example?

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i'm v confident luca is town
pm probably is too

i dislike tchill the most rn

i don't have good reads on havo or robb. i have no idea how to read robb and i honestly don't remember most of what havo's said this game

flubb's prob town too

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again that isn't how i interact with partners, ty

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you can even ask tchill

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havo how do u read luca rn ?

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i think he was out late last week cuz of surgery, not sure where he's been since the day started tho
i hope it went well

you've played with him a lot, do you think you can read him?

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that was about rob ^

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the third one i get,
i wasn't aware that he was tr'ing tchill that hard tho

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robb i feel like gets into those shitty tunnels as both ailgnments, and sometimes becomes toxic
toghether it's like impossible for me to read him i feel like

tchill's tone is also p similar as both alignments
i think for him it's more useful to look at what his motivations are and what he's trying to accomplish

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i will be vla till wednesday night

Will prob be around tomorrow, wont be around wednesday really

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Ok, makes sense.

I was kinda guessing something like that since the read flipped so drastically, didnt really want to probe there for that reason

I'm not going to have internet access tom, so if people dont want to wait for me i can claim now

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Not lynching Luca or Tchill today

I know I'm town. So I really just need one more person I'm comfortable not lynching to start thinking about this

why wouldnt you lynch me???

I've town read you to some extent for most of the game and i cant say that about most other players

This isn't obvious?

no, it wasn't

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I hope Robb is okay. Haven’t heard anything out of him since he said he was having surgery.

+1

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ok i guess i'll claim now

i'm a joat
1s loyal vanilla cop - on luca n1; i got back vanilla townie
1s loyal visitor - on fl last night

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indeed.
i made sure to make it pretty obvious in hindsight just in case something happened to me

and i have no fucking idea what the point of a loyal visitor is

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ya we need to wrap up massclaim

luca is town

i kinda thought that luca's 'pm is town' thing had to have come from pm somehow because i know that luca is vanilla, which is why friendly neighbor made sense

i dont' know if robb has something along those lines as well since luca was townreading him strongly too, until he retracted it

given the crumb, i believe havo is indeed a motion detector

i need the rest of the setup before i can try to figure out if it makes sense as town tho

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{}
{Luca}
{skitter, HAvo, Tchill}
{Jigglypuff, soul, Flubber}
{Robb}

Some of these are "policy" reads but I hope that will change as the day goes along and they contribute something AI.

red flag on PM's claim.

PM should be conftown at this point.

? not sure what you mean here?

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ahhhh ok i get what you're saying

the thing is that i know that luca is town and he's saying that pm is town tho

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You realize you quoted it already, right?

Pedit @tchill

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Yep.
Pm's already confirmed themself to one living player, and who the fuck lies about being a friendly neighbor anyways

Pm can only be scum if luca is, but luca isnt

I think the chain of confirmed players is becoming too big and the poe pool is narrowing so scum feel like they need to try to create mislynches within that group

I have no idea why vork didnt strongly townread pm, but vork was town and dead, and there's someone else who i know to be town who is confirming it so

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Luca is town, did you read the last few pages???

Nom was sus of fallsoil and tchill iirc

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ok i guess i'll claim now

i'm a joat
1s loyal vanilla cop - on luca n1; i got back vanilla townie
1s loyal visitor - on fl last night

To clarify, i actually got back vanilla, but since i'm loyal that functionally means vt

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We should prob mass claim

red flag.

Do tell

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And i'd be lying about that because ...

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Did you even claim yet

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We should prob mass claim

red flag.

Do tell

asking for mass claims is always sketchy as fuck. I hate mass claims and i don't ever see a point.

It's day3 in an 11p game, in potentially lylo
At this poiny we ought to have some kind of useful results to pool together to put together a solve
Why on earth do you think there isnt a point to this at this time

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asking one as a pr especially doesn't make sense, makes me think it's a fake claim. Maybe trying to clear your buddy? idk yet but I don't like the ask

Of course it makes sense, how else do you put all the claims together

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Did you even claim yet

no, and I won't be

Well this is a dumb hill to die on

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Did you even claim yet

no, and I won't be

Well this is a dumb hill to die on

except i don't think i will die on a hill

This is policy-worthy
I did it the last time this came up and i'd do it again
It isnt acceptable to just not massclaim in lylo

I'd vote you if it wasnt potentially lylo rn

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Same ^

@pm

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you said there are multiple claims already, so you don't really need mine.

If you want to policy lynch me go ahead but I don't care about dying. Probably would be doing me a favor.

This isnt how massclaim works
I dont get how this is a remotely acceptable mindset

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The fact that you aren't willing to claim is sketchy as well

why?

For all i know you'll lolclaim a pr after everyonr else has claimed and you realize it's safe

It's impossible to make any assessments about people's alignment based off of the setup if we dont have the full picture

I utterly hate it when people lie or withold claims in massclaim

[skitter30]

Luca's vt

[skitter30]

Again, it's policy worthy
I hate doing that, but i have in thr past and i'll do it again if need be
There'a literally no reason not to now

[skitter30]

Robb, just claim

[skitter30]

I thought you quoted it

My Dudes

M = motion = my
D = detector = dudes

That's what i thought we were talking about ...

[skitter30]

Again, it's policy worthy
I hate doing that, but i have in thr past and i'll do it again if need be
There'a literally no reason not to now

suggesting a PL in a possible lylo scenario is laughable.

Yeah and not claiming in possiblr lylo is policy-able and dumb

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because he never quoted it.

Also i'm a she

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Also luca is conftown to me
If he says pm is conftown to him why would i not be believing that here ?

If luca's trying to pull some shitty gambit and we lose because of it then i'll blame him for the loss but otherwise i see no reason not to believe him rn

[skitter30]

I thought you quoted it

My Dudes

M = motion = my
D = detector = dudes

That's what i thought we were talking about ...

ohhhh....

ok. i paologize for being sarcastic. caused a lot of confusion. i couldnt see the crumb but skitter claimed they did.

Yeah i didnt get what you were asking, i thought you quoted it

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Also luca is conftown to me
If he says pm is conftown to him why would i not be believing that here ?

If luca's trying to pull some shitty gambit and we lose because of it then i'll blame him for the loss but otherwise i see no reason not to believe him rn

luca cant be pulling a gambit or you'd be dead... remember?

???
Not sure ehat you're saying

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If I town read everyone who claimed a PR, then the lynch pool, is just the VTs but I don't think everyone who has claimed a role is telling the truth.

I didnt tell you to townread everyone who claimed pr
What i said is that it's impossible to make set-up based assessments of people's alignments without knowing thr whole picture, this is not at all the same thing

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nah i dont think town luca pulls that gambit anyway.

i just want to know why pm didnt react to vork having her as a SR.

Exactly

And idk why pm didnt but it's functionally irrelevant to me rn and i think it's p bad that you keep trying to push this

[skitter30]

Maybe scum and have an rb/jk and they targeted pm?

Idk just spitballing
Either way i dont think it's important

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not only is it weird that Vork didnt do that but PM just let that crap go.

yes, ok I get what you are throwing down now. sorry my head is fucked up

@skitter - nom was a jk already. Just no idea who nom would have jk'd

True

Wait didnt pm target vork n1? Maybe nom jk'd pm that night ?

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is it impossible a VT think its weird? i mean come on.

Yes? From my pov luca needs to lying for pm to be scum

From your pov you need me *and* luca to be lying for pm to be scum

[skitter30]

I think my preferred lynch rn is tchill

[skitter30]

Skitter, who was your second investigation?

I'm a joat, my second shot was a loyal visitor, which i used on fl last night.

I dont exactly have any useful information on the outcome of that tho

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is it impossible a VT think its weird? i mean come on.

Yes? From my pov luca needs to lying for pm to be scum

From your pov you need me *and* luca to be lying for pm to be scum

im scummy for saying the way pm and vork handled pm's n1 action makes zero sense.

i have not defenitively called you, pm or luca scum. chill.

I mean it looks like you're trying to shade pm rn

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I softed pretty hard yesterday that i was going to be on fl last night, i think you even commented on it

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is it impossible a VT think its weird? i mean come on.

Yes? From my pov luca needs to lying for pm to be scum

From your pov you need me *and* luca to be lying for pm to be scum

im scummy for saying the way pm and vork handled pm's n1 action makes zero sense.

i have not defenitively called you, pm or luca scum. chill.

I mean it looks like you're trying to shade pm rn

i mean i get where your coming from but i havent even pushed them yet. all ive done is ask a very legitimate question.

Uh from my pov this whole convo looks like you're trying to push them

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Did havo even say who he was on last night?

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I softed pretty hard yesterday that i was going to be on fl last night, i think you even commented on it

i wish you would continue to assume what im thinking.

please calm down until we have all the info, then i will tell ppl exactly what im thinking.

I dont get how this is a response to this quote

[skitter30]

Sheesh

[skitter30]

Skitter, JOAT 1-shot Loyal visitor 1-shot Vanilla Cop (absolutely concrete crumbs)

LOYAL vanilla cop

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The thing with flubber is that he looked exactly like this in all the games i've played with town!him

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if flubb/luca/pm/skitter is town then it leaves me/havo/robb

thats obviously what skitter is leaning towards here.

i apologize for not being too convinced of that yet.

I mean, where am i going wrong?

And why are you getting so annoyed at me?

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if flubb/luca/pm/skitter is town then it leaves me/havo/robb

thats obviously what skitter is leaning towards here.

i apologize for not being too convinced of that yet.

I mean, where am i going wrong?

And why are you getting so annoyed at me?

[skitter30]

ok, why is tchill town

[skitter30]

im more annoyed that this probably is a setup that allows for over 1/3 ppl to be conftown than anything.

Ngl i think this is a scummy reaction to the situation

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ok, why is tchill town

Because I can read him. And no there’s nothing specific I can point too to convince you he’s town. Just my experience from playing with him.

Him pointing out that PM had no interest in Vorks reaction on Day 2 is quite telling.

How are you gonna be a friendly neighbor and your first action is on Vork and you show zero interest in Vorks play the day after you message him?

A) this doesnt help me read tchill if he's town really
B) i dont get why we're still talking about the pm/vork thing, it's weird, sure, but ultimately irrelevant

Like what is it telling if exactly?

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I’m not saying PM is scum, but his play day 2 after sending the message makes no sense.

Like if you're not calling them scum ehat is it telling of exactly?

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Ugh, if all we have pr wise is joat and motion detector havo is probabaly town

If there's scum in the pr vlaims it has to be havo from my pov

Also technically nom was a 1s jk

She was probably on pm

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Makes sense for robb not to submit a kill since hes unanimously unreadable

I’m not unreadable. People have figured out the nuances between my scum and town games.

What are they then?

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I’ve played with havo before. He’s a great liar. I could see him making up this MD claim.

Other people need to make him do something this game. I can’t be the only one who actually cares

Well he crumbed in the first post of the game. He probably is an md

I just think he's a scum one

If he has to make up results probably not multitasking then, if he did the nk last night and isnt multitasking he couldnt use the pr too

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Why would she probably be on pm?

It explains why vork wasnt hard townreading pm the next day

[skitter30]

so maybe it was possible that Vork was JK'd?

This isnt how jk works

[skitter30]

What has Tchill?
Flub?
Pm?

Jesus Christ do we have a 4 man scum team?

No, if you guys did have a 4 man scum team, then scum would win right now. Regardless, I've made my statement, and Luca can vouch for me on it. If I were scum, then Luca would be as well, but you don't ask about Luca, now do you?

Let's be clear, you have been asked to claim, you've stated that you will not claim. Whether you are town or not, your stubborn attitude is not going to make this any easier on any of us. This stubborn behavior is selfish, and right now, selfish people are not good people.

Vcte: Robb

I agree with the sentiment, but i think you should unvote given that it might be lylo

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Havo - visited the dead guy night one. Claims a no visit on a Vt. Not very impressive

I think maybe havo has been making the nks
That would make me think that his partner is more suspected than he is

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If it wasn’t for the mass-claim i’d be scumreading Skitter still, but the fact is she called me as VT before I claimed which solidifies her claim a bit.

I mean theoretically i could be a scum rolecop or something

But then i'd also have to be lol-confirming like a third of the living players, but you know

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I found it weird how Havo withheld his Robb result but then just revealed it anyway before Robb has claimed, essentially letting him off the hook. I feel like I’d have been more curious to see if Robb would have faked a night action, but perhaps Havo was more interested in beating Robb to the punch to solidify his own claim.

Ya this makes sense

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I also agree with unvoting. Robb could be scum but I think Havo/Tchill/Flubs is where we should lynch today.

That's p much where i'm at

I think it's probably havo/tchill, with robb/flubb as a third if there are three scums
I really hate how both of them are shading pm while being very careful not to actually call them scum

And havo is hard-townreading tchill here because ...

And i think tchill's frustration last night comes from being backed into a corner, this prob doesnt look very winnable from his pov

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Not to mention Tchill was hard-townreading PM at the end of D2.

Yep

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Ya

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In that case, I wouldn't say it's a hard town read, but a soft town read. Still, he did think I was Town to an extent, only to switch it the next game day. Very strange.

I mean i think he's been backed in a corner, having like a bajillion people conftown kinda makes endgame difficult for scum

[skitter30]

I'd want to lynch through robb/tchill and then havo if we're looking at a third

I want tchill or havo today

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im more annoyed that this probably is a setup that allows for over 1/3 ppl to be conftown than anything.

Ngl i think this is a scummy reaction to the situation

think what you like. ive made it known that this site panders to town wway too much in setups.

Ngl i think this is a scummy reaction to the situation

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I think we missed a chance to confirm cuz idk if the mod would count that with the misspell

In that case, I wouldn't say it's a hard town read, but a soft town read. Still, he did think I was Town to an extent, only to switch it the next game day. Very strange.

I mean i think he's been backed in a corner, having like a bajillion people conftown kinda makes endgame difficult for scum

VOTE: flubbernugget

I'd tell you to unvote but i'm pretty sure you're scum so i'm not sure it matters

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i wanted to see who'd jump on pm and call them scum for what i was saying. I very much believe pm has the ability to handle that vork situation that poorly as town.

I mean from my pov it looms like you were seeing if you could shade pm enough to make people doubt their claim and put them in the lynch pool, but sure

[skitter30]

*looks

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I'd want to lynch through robb/tchill and then havo if we're looking at a third

I want tchill or havo today

Why havo today? Do you think 3 scum?

I'm kinda conflicted bc the motion detector reads green w/ three scum and red w/ two. We have that mislynch to go after havo in the latter case

I want tchill more

But i read them as buddies, i dont think all prs here are town, i dont like havo suddenly townreading tchill here, i dont like his reaction to the conftown situation

But you're right, tchll should prob be first

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i wanted to see who'd jump on pm and call them scum for what i was saying. I very much believe pm has the ability to handle that vork situation that poorly as town.

I mean from my pov it looms like you were seeing if you could shade pm enough to make people doubt their claim and put them in the lynch pool, but sure

well change your perspective on the situation.

youve seen how calculated I am as scum.

I mean i dont see why i'm wrong so

I gotta bounce for the weekend, i should hopefully be here tom night

[skitter30]

so skitter is hard TR'ing Flub because of meta?

Harder than you, that's for sure

[skitter30]

Why the fuck are we throwing around votes in potential lylo

I have to catch up now

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How do you expect people to hop on shading a conftown when the site panders to town by your own admission holy shit

i wanted to see if anyone would.

if pm is gonna ignore how vork played on d2 then its possible another slip up occurs.

did havo say PM was scum for sure and push the hell out of pm?

Wait why arent you sus of havo here?

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I'm actually in a very specific positon where it's more important for me to look town than it is for scum to do so and if you had a problem with that you would have said something when I first brought it up (or maybe the second time too)

a very specific position after poor to low activity on days 1 and 2.

quite convenient.

Incredibly!

I already said something about that.

I think this is townie

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cus hes town.

Y tho

If you explained later give me a few minutes, i'm like five pages behind

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Yes, i agree that the claim is prob true

My point is why is he a *town* motion detector?

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Have fun on “date night”

Which I totally don’t believe btw. You’re ignoring questions you clearly can’t provide answers for so you go lurk some more and cast baseless accusations.

Town havo plays better than this.

Hey, there's no reason to do this, or not ti believe him about date night.

It's kinda icky to shade people for being busy irl

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motion detector was town aligned 4/5 games luca looked up.

havo has an 80 percent chance to be town here.

only reason i believe skitter is town is because his claim and crumbs.

A) i'm a she
B) right, from my pov i'm kinda skeptical about havo, i'm not sure town have 4 prs here, and if one of the prs are scum it has to be havo.

Obv me and pm are the major prs, so to speak, and i guess havo's alignment probably depends on how maby scum there are. If there's 3 he's town, if there's 2 i think he's scum

I think flubber is right and that he's not the lynch for today

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robb however is shading the claims

Cause town doesn’t have 4 PRs in this setup

y not?

4 out of 9 townies are PRs.

2 scum with good PRs.

doesnt seem crazy to me.

So you think scum are in the vts?

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Flub willing to vote Tchill in what May be a LyLo is very telling to me.

Ehat is it telling of

[skitter30]

I’ve said my piece. I’m content with this game.

Just waiting now to see now who Luca, PM and Skitter want to vote.

So just going to sheep the actual townies? lol

If you are town, skitter or pm is fake. Why are you willing to sheep them both?

VOTE: havo

No way this flips town.

Um

[skitter30]

I think the logic in that post is ~very~ wonky but i'm kinda exhausted and dont know how to articulate why just no
But i think there's something very wrong there

[skitter30]

Also if you think it's havo/tchill why the fuck are you voting havo when tchill and flubb are crossvoting and from your pov that pair must contain one scum

[skitter30]

Actually no technically you can have havo/flub as a 2man dcumteam from your pov but that's not what you were pushing so again ... um

[skitter30]

why dont you lynch me instead?

Cause I’m not as confident about you

Ok y more confident on havo?

[skitter30]

if havo flips town who's scum robb?

i guess flubb is right?

Skitter/flub/you. I won’t come in with an agenda like you did.

Lmao no

[skitter30]

I’m voting havo cause he has basically confirmed he’s scum to me.

I'm confused by this part

[skitter30]

I have to figure out the skitter/pm situation, which means it’s most likely skitter.

How the fuck do you have me or pm as scum here ?

[skitter30]

I’m starting to feel like one of Tchill/Havo are scum and one is successfully pocketing the other

I actually kinda agree with this

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You know what, I actually think Flubs is the most likely of anyone to flip scum right now. Nothing about his iso makes me feel like he’s Town.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Flubbernugget

I’m happy enough to Lynch any of these three but I think this is my slight preference.

Uh how do you go from tchill/havo/flubb like this?
Of the 3 i still vastly prefer tchill i think
Why did you settle on flubber here

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I’m not sure how much more is to be learnt from today. I can’t see my reads changing much at this point. I’m content to go along with the Tchill lynch.

VOTE: Tchill

That’s L-1

Don’t you always scum read Tchill?

Bleh posts like these do make me paranoid of havo/tchill

[skitter30]

Uh huh

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That’s why I am completely ok with me or Tchill being the lynch today. Because when either of us flip town it seals scums fate.

I mean if there's 2 scum, sure
But if there's 3 and you're both town this just loses us the game.
This feels like either knowing that there's 2 or knowing that a tchill/havo flip wont end the game

[skitter30]

It just occured to me that there may be a traitor

[skitter30]

Ok i think i still want tchill today

And then sort out robb/havo/flubb tom

[skitter30]

It just occured to me that there may be a traitor

oh my lord this game isnt worth keeping up with anymore.

ive said what i needed to say. deuces.

Why is this the thing that makes you peace out ???

[skitter30]

i will be vla until tuesday night with limited access

[skitter30]

Yo.

Havo what did you do last night?

I'm at 2/3 of flub, havo, and robb

[skitter30]

Yo.

Havo what did you do last night?

I'm at 2/3 of flub, havo, and robb

Why should I town read you over havo?

Because in what universe am i scum here, pray tell?

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Robb/havo is the only pair that can make sense fmpov I think

I havent removed you from the mix yet.

I'm leaning towards flubb/robb

I want to talk to pm before i settle on anything

Did anyone get a friendly neighbor message?

[skitter30]

Robb/havo is the only pair that can make sense fmpov I think

So are you willing to lynch Robb?

Probably

Are you?

Meh

[skitter30]

Crumbed my role right from the start.

Targeted players that made sense.

Again crumbing your role isnt ai; i think your role is real but that it speaks nothing for your alignment

Why were you on flubber last night?

[skitter30]

VOTE: havo

What's with the lolvoting in lylo

[skitter30]

It would be nice to be able to rule out just one of you because then the game would just be solved, tho

[skitter30]

I mean it's still kinda hard to believe that there are 4 town prs

[skitter30]

Yeah i was just thinking that although lolvoting is dumb, it's onoy dangerous if we assume scum is flub/pm, which i think we can safely rule out

[skitter30]

I mean it's still kinda hard to believe that there are 4 town prs

You mean havo being MD?

Ya

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Or at least, again, i believe the md, i'm not sold it's a town!md tho

[skitter30]

Right, that's why i believe the role is real
I dont believe that doing so makes him town tho

[skitter30]

Ya i asked a few times i think

[skitter30]

Maybe you're just scum

[skitter30]

So you ask the person you're voting what they think about me/flub?
That makes loads of sense

[skitter30]

Because I was on Robb last nite.

?

[skitter30]

I'm kinda thinking robb/flubb rn

[skitter30]

I think you're conflating weak and loyal maybe

[skitter30]

Flubber obvs

[skitter30]

Is anyone here townreading flubbs?

[skitter30]

Also pm didnt town clear luca, techinically

[skitter30]

Scum have to have some powerful prs, to make up for 9:2

It would kinda make sense for the md to be scum and for one of the vts to be lying

If both robb and flubb are scum they need to be prs in some way to make up for the balancing and then neither kill or act on the night havo was on each of them, which feels unlikely

[skitter30]

From a setup perspective i think scum!havo makes a lot of sense tbh