Undertale Semi-Open 1.1 - Snowdin Snowdown

[Xayah]

Gin spell it out to me like I'm 5

[Ginngie]

when mastina is being a meanie, she will only bully kids who wouldn't tattle tale on her to the rest of the class.

That way she doesn't get in trouble with the teacher

[popsofctown]

Spare Votecount 2.0

Nachomamma8 -

Elements ------

mastina --------

Ginngie -

Xayah ---------

(1)

Xayah

Oversoul ------

Wisdom -

Chemist1422 -

(2)

Elements, Oversoul

Nymph -

Not sparing:

- (6) Nachomamma8, mastina, Ginngie, Wisdom, Chemist1422, Nymph

Fight Votecount 2.0

Nachomamma8 -

Elements -----

chennisden ---

mastina -

(2)

Nymph, Nachomamma8

Ginngie -------

Xayah -

Oversoul ----

Wisdom -

Chemist1422 -

Nymph -

Not Fighting:

- (7) Elements, mastina, Ginngie, Xayah, Oversoul, Wisdom, Chemist1422

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Ginngie is rather hesitant about deciding on anything. "It doesn't make any sense to debate or argue until we have the most accurate set of facts. I don't think we should do anything until we create an investigative committee and conclude a preliminary inquiry. "
No one seems to understand what that means, and the monsters argue past Ginngie while he stands in the middle. A cacophonous din of raised voices argue about punishing someone for chennisden's death, the risk of harming the wrong person, the idea of protecting the evildoer's next potential victim, and the wisdom of continuing to build the treehouse.
"Welp," Ginngie mumbles. "Thaaaaaaat's politics!"

(expired on 2019-10-28 21:06:42)

[Wisdom]

HURT: Mastina

Not even sure that this is correct but I don't hink that it's a much better direction than yesterday. I don't want Chemist spared. I don't think Chemist is even a valid spare target. Is one of Oversoul/Elements willing to take a stab at explaining why?

ew. nacho still scum

[Wisdom]

HEAL: gingie

ill reread chemist, maybe ill join that, but gingie is town
I can probably heal elements too

[mastina]

Spare Votecount 1.<3

chennisden ----

(2)

Chemist1422, mastina

Ginngie --------

(1)

Ginngie

Rakan ----------

(4)

Wisdom, Nymph, Elements, chennisden, Rakan, Oversoul

Wisdom --------

(1)

Nachomamma8

Not sparing:

- (1) Xayah

Great going, guys.
You fucking spared half the scumteam on fucking day one.

Now we have literally no fucking choice other than to go neutral because yeah we can't win pacifist now.

VOTE: Nymph

[mastina]

Spare Votecount 1.<3

chennisden ----

(2)

Chemist1422, mastina

Ginngie --------

(1)

Ginngie

Rakan ----------

(4)

Wisdom, Nymph, Elements, chennisden, Rakan, Oversoul

Wisdom --------

(1)

Nachomamma8

Not sparing:

- (1) Xayah

Great going, guys.
You fucking spared half the scumteam on fucking day one.

Now we have literally no fucking choice other than to go neutral because yeah we can't win pacifist now.

VOTE: Nymph

Okay so technically speaking.
There's a minimum of 20% chance of having spared scum on D1, and thus only a theoretically-14.28571428571429% chance of lynching scum, pragmatically-25% chance of lynching scum.
Which means there's an 80% chance of theoretically having spared town on D1, and thus having a pragmatically-50% chance of lynching scum, theoretically-28.57142857142857% chance.

But Rakan was scum and you're all fucking morons for not fucking sparing chennisden.

[mastina]

Fucking chen? No way. So I'm like ???

What's this?
Surprise that THE FUCKING PERSON WHO BY ALL FUCKING RIGHTS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FUCKING SPARED YESTERDAY was the scum's NIGHTKILL?



Of course chennisden was the fucking nightkill. You know why? Because no fucking shit, he was the person who we should've fucking spared on D1 until the blatantly scumdriven Rakan sparewagon MAGICALLY somehow went through.

[mastina]

Spoiler: State of the Game

1 Nachomamma8	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
2 Elements	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
3 chennisden	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
4 mastina	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
5 Ginngie	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
6 Xayah	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
7 Oversoul	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
8 Rakan	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
9 Wisdom	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
10 Chemist	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph
11 Nymph	Nacho	Elements	chennisden	mastina	Ginngie	Xayah	Oversoul	Rakan	Wisdom	Chemist	Nymph

Green: Explicit in thread support for town
Yellow: Explicit in thread null read or N/A interactions
Red: Explicit in thread support for scum

mastina has a policy of dont kill anyone that scumreads you. Source: her unending wisdom in Civ 5 mafia, was on that team and was instructed by her on this core philosophy.

Now, looking at the state of the game, mastina and chenn have similar reads, and chenn was the only person to actually explicitly townread mastina. That makes the perfect kill for "paints my scumreads in bad light," and satisfying the condition of not killing a townie that scumreads you.

Oh fuck off Ginngie.
You do NOT get to fucking call me scum here.

[Ginngie]

Never participated and then complains about what we did

[mastina]

Various degrees of not a townread:

Elements
Xayah
Oversoul
Rakan
Nymph

Of these, Elements is the one who I am most willing to consider town; Oversoul isn't that far behind.
If I had been scumhunting on D1 (I was as I said, explicitly giving zero fucks about scumhunting), that would leave three names for two scum:
Xayah, Rakan, and Nymph.

Spare Votecount 1.<3

Rakan ----------

(4)

Wisdom, Nymph, Elements, chennisden, Rakan, Oversoul

Not sparing:

- (1) Xayah

Literally the only one of my not-townreads who didn't vote to heal Rakan yesterday was Xayah. Between that and MariaR naturally being scummy as town more often than not, if you factor in the above of Elements being who I am most willing to consider town and Oversoul not that far behind, ya know what that leaves?

Oh yeah.

A scumteam of Rakan and Nymph.
And guess who you fucks.
Decided to fucking spare.
Off of posts I fucking told you weren't fucking town indicative.

[mastina]

Never participated and then complains about what we did

I did fucking participate.
I told you to fucking spare chennisden. I told you that Rakan wasn't fucking town. I told you he wasn't town for what he did. I told you that chennisden was.

So damn fucking straight I get to fucking complain because you fucking spared scum against my fucking wishes.

[mastina]

We identify four townies and win. Townhunting is better than scumhunting and this playerlist is good for application

Agree with this and will give it a go when I have more time to spare. (Currently have other obligations that require my attention more than a game which started literally just today.)

"We should townhunt".

Hi

Town.

"chennisden is town".

HEAL: chennis

Town?
HEAL: chennisden

"I support healing chennisden".

Spare these townies:

chennisden
Wisdom
Nachomamma8

Town enough:

Chemist
Ginngie

Various degrees of not a townread:

Elements
Xayah
Oversoul
Rakan
Nymph

Mind you--I haven't really tried to generate scumreads. Scum would be in the not-townreads, but I don't particularly care to try and figure out the particulars of who the exact scum are yet. Because I am a hippie who loves peace and pacifism and would prefer townhunting to scumhunting.

"Rakan is not a townread".

@mastina:

How is Rakan not town from his Oversoul interactions?

What's town about them? I saw hyper-aggression. If I knew who Rakan was maybe I'd be able to judge that hyper-aggression in the context of "oh for Rakan that's town" or "oh for Rakan that's scum" but lacking that knowledge all I can really say is that in isolation nothing about it was town. Would Rakan be my vote if I were interested in genocide/neutral? Oh heck no. (Okay, so I can't outright rule it out, but I can say that almost certainly? Probably not.) But while Rakan's not someone I'm interested in lynching, he's also not someone I see any reason to save, either.

"What's town about Rakan's content? I saw hyperaggression but that hyperaggression doesn't make him town."

Why would I address it? I'm town hunting, not scumhunting. Rakan's hyper aggressive posting as far as I know doesn't make him town. So if it doesn't make him town and my priority is townhunting…why WOULD I comment on it? I have no reason to.

"I'm townhunting, not scumhunting. Rakan's posting isn't town."

[mastina]

Just because you fucking ignored what I said and went against my fucking desires doesn't mean you can pretend I didn't fucking contribute because I did.

[mastina]

so far nymph and gingie are on my radar for awkward entrances

towny mindmeld

I don't see how Nymph can be considered awkward from her posting so far, I don't agree with this, so weird "mindmeld" in my opinion

Defense of Nymph.

OK. If you want something more substantive, you'll need to explain why you think Nymph's early posts were awkward then.

More defense of Nymph.

Nymph isnt a slot i particularly have a lean on

Generally I'm a very hard slot to read.

Which means you're a good choice for a slot to spare

IMO we shouldn't spare people we know are town, since on the neutral route we get told how many scum are within a group of people

Defense Nymph. Also, says "we shouldn't spare people we know are town".
He voted to spare himself.
If he were town, he violated his own stance because he'd know himself to be town.

We're either fighting or sparing Oversoul today.

"Oversoul must leave by one method or another today".
And yet he ended up sparing himself.

I tr Wisdom and Xayah

If Nymph wasn't a townread, then why was he defending Nymph?

[Ginngie]

You said you didn’t think he was town for what others said

And then said you didn’t want him dead or saved, essentially null.

Blanket reads are not content, and you didn’t aggressively push anything, you just let town do it’s own thing

[Ginngie]

Like you can say you objected to it, but you can’t tell me with a straight face that your ISO screams defense of chennis or pushing Raken scum/Nymph

[mastina]

You said you didn’t think he was town for what others said

I said this, yes!

And then said you didn’t want him dead or saved, essentially null.

I did not say this!
I said that I was townhunting, not scumhunting. I said I had zero interest in sorting ANY of the names I had as "varying degrees of not town", Rakan among them. I said I wanted to go pacifist so I wanted to do nothing but save. That does not mean "I neither want Rakan fought nor saved". That was saying exactly what I fucking said.

"I want nobody fought" and "Rakan is not someone to save" != "I want Rakan neither fought nor saved".

Blanket reads are not content, and you didn’t aggressively push anything, you just let town do it’s own thing

Okay Ginngie absolute fuck you.

I know you're fucking town here but this posting is so disingenuous that I really fucking wish you were scum because this is something that you should NEVER be fucking saying about me on every level and yet somehow here you are.

[mastina]

Like you can say you objected to it, but you can’t tell me with a straight face that your ISO screams defense of chennis or pushing Raken scum/Nymph

Yes I fucking can and when you stop fucking around you fucking can too because YOU HAVE FUCKING PLAYED WITH ME BEFORE and you're fucking pretending you haven't with this bullshit.

Like.

I am seriously.
Seriously.
Just thinking.
"Maybe Ginngie's scum."
And you know what's keeping me from that?

It's not, "But I thought Ginngie was town D1".
It's not, "But other people including Nacho think Ginngie is town".
It's purely just because I think the fucking scumteam is exactly Rakan-Nymph and I swear to fucking god if this were a three scum game you'd be my fucking third because you are playing like a fucking scumfuck.

[popsofctown]

Okay Ginngie absolute fuck you.

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[Wisdom]

But Rakan was scum

wrong

[Wisdom]

I isod chemist and don't feel comfortable sparing him.
Lets spare gingie.

[Ginngie]

I isod chemist and don't feel comfortable sparing him.
Lets spare gingie.

Am cool with this

[Nymph]

I'll join if I can't get my mastina lynch.

[mastina]

I'll join if I can't get my mastina lynch.

I mean you already got your scumbuddy spared so keep dreamin'! You might very well just get that game-winning mislynch going!