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Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:53 am

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Vote: Iron Man
because superheroes don't belong in Texas.
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Post Post #9 (isolation #1) » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:34 am

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Using dice stinks.
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Post Post #28 (isolation #2) » Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:18 am

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This could be manipulated by scum very easily. The only way is to use the dice feature on the forum, as scum could just lie about the results got from random.org.
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Post Post #30 (isolation #3) » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:15 am

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Original Roll String: 1d12
1 12-Sided Dice: (9) = 9

Original Roll String: 1d11
1 11-Sided Dice: (5) = 5

Original Roll String: 1d10
1 10-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

Original Roll String: 1d9
1 9-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

Original Roll String: 1d8
1 8-Sided Dice: (4) = 4

Original Roll String: 1d7
1 7-Sided Dice: (5) = 5

Original Roll String: 1d6
1 6-Sided Dice: (6) = 6

Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

Original Roll String: 1d4
1 4-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

Original Roll String: 1d3
1 3-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

Original Roll String: 1d2
1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

Original Roll String: 1d1
1 1-Sided Dice: (1) = 1
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Post Post #31 (isolation #4) » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:18 am

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From that:

ClockworkRuse & Dcorbe
Light-Kun & Iron Man
farside22 & Crazy
somestrangeflea & Linehouse
Sun Tzu & The Fonz
Tom & ashmite84

I realize this may not be the final plan, but if we decide to do it, there is a completely random list.
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Post Post #39 (isolation #5) » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:56 am

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Iron Man wrote:Cant we just do a circle shoot? Then everyone gets shot, unless a scum deviates, which jut helps town. The only way for this to fail is if a scum would be ordered to shoot anther scum.
That could also work, but you could be scum suggesting that knowing that it could fail, eh?

Okay, here's an explanation of how I did the die rolls...

-I pasted all the names on the first page into NotePad.
-I rolled a 12-sided die. I got a 2.
-ClockworkRuse is #2 on the list.
-I removed ClockworkRuse from the list.
-I rolled an 11-sided die. I got a 3.
-Dcorbe is #3 on the remaining list.
-I paired ClockworkRuse and Dcorbe.
-etc.
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Post Post #44 (isolation #6) » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:59 am

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If we lynch a mafia, the odds of the circle thing failing is 2/11, which is 18%. So that's an 82% chance that we win.

I've done some test trials on random.org of that circle method (before this game started), though, and the results seem more favored to the town than 42-52%. I'd like to do an experimental batch of these (say, 100) and see what results I get.
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Post Post #45 (isolation #7) » Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:16 pm

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EBWOP: I'm thinking Light could be right. I don't understand his math, but I just did 100 tests of the circle method on random.org (with 3 mafia). The results were:

Town won: 56 times
Scum won: 44 times

That's definitely not something we want to go on.
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Post Post #49 (isolation #8) » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:19 pm

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I agree with farside. I'm still gonna kill him though. :P
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Post Post #57 (isolation #9) » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:48 am

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The pairings give better odds than the circle method, anyway.
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Post Post #60 (isolation #10) » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:51 pm

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Okay, then, is there any objection to using the random pairs that I posted earlier?
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Post Post #64 (isolation #11) » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:05 pm

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I just did 100 test trials of the pair method on random.org. My results were:

Town won: 72 times
Scum won: 28 times

The Fonz said the town's chances of winning were 73%. Needless to say, the results match the math. This totally pwns the circle method.

I support this, and I conclude that Texas Justice is biased towards town.

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Here's the list again.

ClockworkRuse & Dcorbe
Light-Kun & Iron Man
farside22 & Crazy
somestrangeflea & Linehouse
Sun Tzu & The Fonz
Tom & ashmite84

If we go through with this plan, and it looks like we will,
everyone will use their one shot to kill the person you are paired with
. For example, I will kill farside and she will kill me. The town will win unless if two scum are paired together. The chance of that happening is only 27%.

First of all, are there any people here that we have to worry are inactive? I'd hate to see this ruined by a vig that didn't use their shot.
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Post Post #73 (isolation #12) » Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:38 am

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Dcorbe and Sun Tzu may also be missing, although I'm not sure.

We're currently at L-2, so I suggest nobody vote until they all confirm their presence.
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Post Post #82 (isolation #13) » Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:41 am

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Tom, Sun Tzu, and dcorbe, I believe.
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Post Post #85 (isolation #14) » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:07 pm

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Iron Man wrote:O.o
QFT
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Post Post #90 (isolation #15) » Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:27 pm

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Maybe a scum roleblocker or a scum doctor would fix it?
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Post Post #94 (isolation #16) » Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:12 am

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somestrangeflea wrote:
Iron Man wrote:True, but you got any better ideas?
11 player game.

Pairs system, GONE.
Circle system determined to be not-that-good-anyway.

Problem solved.
Then the town could no-lynch and no-vig and force a draw. Still not very good.

Mod: Can we get prods on dcorbe and Tom?
I believe the holiday weekend is over.

Ah was not intendin' on sendin' out prods til the 9th, in case anyone was late in gittin' back, but since you requested it, ah'll go whip out Ol' Sparky and prod them now.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #17) » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:07 am

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Dcorbe was just replaced in another game I'm in; I'm thinking he'll need to be replaced here.
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Post Post #100 (isolation #18) » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:46 am

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Then the pair system could still be used when there were 10 people. The odds wouldn't be as good for the town, but I believe it would still be beneficial.
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Post Post #110 (isolation #19) » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:06 am

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(Replace Dcorbe with Starkmoon on that list)

Activity check...

Last posted today (Thursday)
-Crazy
-Starkmoon
-SSF
-Farside

Last posted yesterday (Wednesday)
-Iron Man
-ashmite
-Clockwork Ruse
-The Fonz

Last posted Tuesday
-Light-Kun

Last posted Monday
-Tom

Last posted Sunday
-Linehouse
-Sun Tzu

Fortunately, everybody in the game has confirmed the pairing system plan, so I'm sure it's safe to vote at this point.
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Post Post #123 (isolation #20) » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:50 am

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Woo, super-fast win!

And, yeah, this setup is broken. But there are some ways to fix it, like a mafia roleblocker, or replacing some of the vigs with townies.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #21) » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:13 pm

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Well, Sun Tzu would have already seen the pairings and known he'd lost.
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