Mini 2090 CYS: AtmosFEAR of Terrors

[Pine]

Scum was actually my third pick this game.

Shake things up a bit.

[Pine]

Dude

Scum is way too obvious for me

It’s asking to lose

[Pine]

I’ve been working on my Towngame. The rand isn’t hard to beat if you’re *trying* for Town.

[Pine]

ok but u have more fun playing scum

I have more fun when I’m winning. Completely stomping a capable scumteam in Hall of Mirrors recently was the most fun I’ve had in a Mafia game since Turn of Camn.

Choosing scum with my reputation in a UPick is pointless.

[Pine]

VOTE: Plum

[Pine]

I didn’t like Plum’s reaction to implosion’s setup spec

[Pine]

Yeah, something’s definitely off about Plum. That little diatribe is way overdone for what amounts to a misunderstanding of a complicated, unique ruleset.

[Pine]

Dude, you're acting like I showed up with a fake nose and mustache, danced a jig, and sang, "Nothing to see here, folks!"

I was effectively

asked.

The scum PT clearly said to each other in N0, "Hey guys, Pine ML first?" "Yeah, easy mode."

Not saying that everyone jumping on me is scum, clearly not...but there's definitely a low-hanging fruit motive to this push.

[Pine]

Alisae
skygazer
GreyICE
Katsuki
Plum

No clue so far, it's too early to have a real readslist. But now that you self-consciously mention it, your vote IS hella scummy, and saying "no points" doesn't make it not opportunistic AF.

[Pine]

Dude, you're acting like I showed up with a fake nose and mustache, danced a jig, and sang, "Nothing to see here, folks!"

wait you’re not wearing a fake nose and a mustache, and you didn’t dance a jig and sing “nothing to see here, folks!”

[Pine]

You realize that its not completely unreasonable to think “hey, the person who literally stars in a series of games where he is a scum IC treestump is likely to pick scum right?”

That's why I picked Town though.

Picking scum was legit suicide in a choose your side game.

Fucking cop me.

[Pine]

Plum, I listed everyone so I could do a PoE and analysis, but not one of those names has done anything (anything) other than make a meta WIFOM case against me, if that.

The only exception is you, and you practically came in your pants when the opportunity to hop on a free wagon showed up.

I’d love to do some scumhunting, but the only topic that’s really come up, aside from meta spec on me and Plum’s opportunism, is implosion’s brief foray into setup spec, which I want to say is mildly Townish

[Pine]

Tbh Katsuki you're quite serious compared to last time I played with you

When have I played with you before? I have no recollection of you. I assume it was some shitfest of a game though.

I would imagine that there's a difference in playstyle when I'm playing a game with scrubs, and playing in an actual game of mafia.

You repped out if Heroes Wanted but we played there

Was that the game where I posted nothing but youtube videos in protest because you guys spammed a few hundred pages in a few game days?

Yes

Yeah, that doesn’t count.

[Pine]

No, but I am similarly irritated by spam shitposting in a gamethread. If that’s what you were referring to, no wonder Kats didn’t remember it.

[Pine]

That ain't a scumlist my fren
I've said so again and 'gain
Reading is hard, I know
You don't get a pass, though
Go stuff your damn opinion

If you're going to fake a post restriction, make it internally consistent. Your limericks suck, and don't meet the definition.

[Pine]

I mean, for Christ's sake, you actually quoted the part where I said it was too early for a readslist.

Plum, you were asking after the low-hanging fruit? There you go.

[Pine]

Then what was the list of people if not a readlist, sounds like having your cake and eating it too.

I collected together everyone who was voting, took a look at them individually, collectively, and decided mid-post that it was too early to have any kind of real opinion about most of them. Ali and sky didn't give real reasons iirc, Grey and Kats were specifically meta reasons, and Plum was opportunistic. Only the last of those is at all AI, so I decided not to do the full thing.

This isn't weird, and I feel I've thoroughly explained myself.

(

Merci, Madame!

? I don't know if I count, some dickhole slipped me the Black Key.)

[Pine]

Oh, the "special ability" of the Black Key is that I can't win while holding it, even if Town would otherwise win.

[Pine]

Then what was the list of people if not a readlist, sounds like having your cake and eating it too.

I collected together everyone who was voting, took a look at them individually, collectively, and decided mid-post that it was too early to have any kind of real opinion about most of them. Ali and sky didn't give real reasons iirc, Grey and Kats were specifically meta reasons, and Plum was opportunistic. Only the last of those is at all AI, so I decided not to do the full thing.

This isn't weird, and I feel I've thoroughly explained myself.

(

Merci, Madame!

? I don't know if I count, some dickhole slipped me the Black Key.)

How did someone slip you a key

It apparently has its own method of being passed which...I think I prefer to keep to myself for now. I’ll hold onto the key for a bit, because I don’t really want to be inflict it on anyone yet.

I’m at L-1 now, by the by.

[Pine]

I don't know if I count, some dickhole slipped me the

Black Key

.

I can prove it, actually.

[Pine]

Proof

[Pine]

Sorry for brevity, wanted to move quickly.

The black key can be passed by bracketing someone else’s posts with your own. I didn’t see the point of sharing this method or inflicting it on anyone, but it didn’t occur to me that people would think I’d invented it completely.

Skygazer should be able to verify my account of the black key as soon as LLD gets around to PMing her.

[Pine]

Screaming about the black key?
Scumhunting zero?

Fuck you people. Neither of these things is true.

[Pine]

Scumhunting zero?

What

I’m being accused of doing no scumhunting, despite the fact that it’s practically impossible to do when two-thirds of the playerlist hasn’t done anything except say how omg scummy Pine is.

I’m going to be honest, I’m a little upset with this game.

[Pine]

Kuribo, take a look at Plum. So far she’s the only one really pinging my scumdar

[Pine]

The black key is a thing in this game
I don't care it's just a pain
Pine ain't a hero
His scumhunting's zero
CHOO CHOO ON THE LYNCH TRAIN

218 was a direct response to this.

And for (at least) the third or fourth time, 87 was a simple list of people voting me, not a readslist.

Are you even reading? Why do I have to answer the same question the same way this many times within 48 hours?

[Pine]

I think I need a break from this game, put it down for a while. I’m starting to take this shit personally, and I’d prefer to avoid a kuribo-style detonation

[Pine]

Then what was the list of people if not a readlist, sounds like having your cake and eating it too.

I collected together everyone who was voting, took a look at them individually, collectively, and decided mid-post that it was too early to have any kind of real opinion about most of them. Ali and sky didn't give real reasons iirc, Grey and Kats were specifically meta reasons, and Plum was opportunistic. Only the last of those is at all AI, so I decided not to do the full thing.

This isn't weird, and I feel I've thoroughly explained myself.

(

Merci, Madame!

? I don't know if I count, some dickhole slipped me the Black Key.)

I’ve already responded to Plum’s assertion that I had no interest in that list of five. At the time, Plum was the only one of them who’d done anything at all AI outside of voting for me, and I was scumreading her before that anyway

[Pine]

I’m being accused of doing no scumhunting, despite the fact that it’s practically impossible to do when two-thirds of the playerlist hasn’t done anything except say how omg scummy Pine is.

I’m going to be honest, I’m a little upset with this game.

It's CYS, you couldn't have missed
We can scumhunt with a player list
A shitty reaction
No excuse for inaction
Burn this, TL next, don't care who is pissed.

No, you can’t scumhunt.

You can make meta guesses, and that’s it. I picked Town *specifically* to avoid this, and a meta argument is tantamount to WIFOM

So, are you going to hide behind your fake-ass post restriction all game, or are you going to stop using it as an excuse not to do anything eventually? Seems to me that Alisae has made eir thoughts known just fine despite a real PR, whereas you’ve harped and mocked on one or two topics while avoiding anything else

[Pine]

No you can’t scumhunt solely from a playerlist*

That read differently that intended

[Pine]

Pine, why do you keep implying that GreyICE's post restriction is faked? And if you do think that, how do you read him?

A) He’s not actually sticking to the form of a limerick, but LLD isn’t busting him
B) His alleged post restriction is incompatible with the real inflicted one we’ve seen given out
C) GreyICE is

exactly

the kind of player to fake a post restriction in a playerlist like this, then use the ‘restriction’ as a shield to give limited and trite explanations

[Pine]

Oh and D) It doesn’t make sense from a setup perspective to have all of these events, curses, and added shenanigans, but also have one player hobbled the whole game. You’d just use the limerick PR as an event/curse etc

[Pine]

Oh and D) It doesn’t make sense from a setup perspective to have all of these events, curses, and added shenanigans, but also have one player hobbled the whole game. You’d just use the limerick PR as an event/curse etc

... so what do you make of GreyICE faking this?

I think...I dunno. It's probably NAI? Gimmick-y gameplay happens as any alignment. When Aeronaut and I made Caesar Wills It before Civ mafia, we decided to do it before roles and alignments were randed.

Strictly speaking, I think it means Grey decided to dick around, no more, no less. Functionally, it makes him almost impossible to fairly read, and makes questioning or refuting him frustratingly difficult.

[Pine]

kuribo, I should charge you rent if you're going to be camping out in my head like this

[Pine]

If he chose to do this, I actually find that hilarious because it's not like he could just stop and not get shit for lying

If this wasn't a real restriction, he's gonna have to keep it up for weeeeeeeks

Actually, I've seen people stop fake restrictions and not have it held against them. Personally, I'd give him a pass on it and be happy to have a GreyICE I could have a real conversation with. He'd be an asset in a game like this.

Gimmicks are fun, and I think people get that. I just think it's wildly counterproductive here.

[Pine]

B) His alleged post restriction is incompatible with the real inflicted one we’ve seen given out

How
Also don't get A but that's probably me being ignorant

Limericks have a defined meter which he's not following very closely. Without going through them with a fine-toothed comb, I'd ballpark about 1/3 of them as technically not limericks.

Is it possible that LLD is giving him a pass for best effort? Maybe. Likely, in a game like this where she's gleefully punishing petty infractions? Nah.

As for B), how exactly is he supposed to make a limerick with imgs and gifs? If GreyICE's slot had randed that event (or really any future PR) they would be incompatible at a design level.

PE: At this point, I'm beginning to suspect that Katsuki is a some sort of Lyncher variety.
PE2 HA GOT IT

[Pine]

Hai Kats

I was getting all pissy because I was taking it personally, but I get it now. You do you, Cupcake <3

[Pine]

I think because of the playerlist scum would lurk less

PE: I actually already passed off the black key.

[Pine]

OH I LEFT OUT THE MOST IMPORTANT DETAIL IN THAT WHOEVER HAS THE BLACK KEY LOSES THE GAME

SO UNLESS YOU GUYS WANT TO BE THAT PERSON WHO LOSES, YOU GUYS CAN JUST CUT DOWN PINE THE HOLDER OF THE BLACK KEY

HEBI/SKY CAN PROBABLY BACK ME UP ON THIS

A) I already included that detail
B) You're leaving out the actual important detail that the black key gets willed along like the rest (as far as my reading of its description goes)

[Pine]

And also, again, I don't have the black key anymore. I gave it to skygazer to verify its existence

[Pine]

The lyncher is the third party, Maria. Kats claimed it.

Taking the flapless thing into account I still don't mind Pine getting voted but I value him as a player enough to let him play the game a bit more.

Blushing!

Gamma is town btw. Don't ask why at the moment it's in no ones best interest to know why.

I concur.

[Pine]

I'm not performing.

Think about it from my perspective for a sec - I got a really large, serious wagon on me for a bullshit (but kinda valid) reason right out of the gate. I was excited for a funky game with people I like, but then get practically policy lynched. That hurt, and I did take it personally. Ever since I've been trying to recover and get to work, but it's not easy.

I actually think GreyICE is faking his restriction. I don't know why, but Occam's says "for lulz"

I do actually think Kats is a Lyncher. It's by far the best explanation for his behavior, and has literally (not figuratively) done absolutely nothing so far but attack me, despite having the fourth highest post total. I think he's ballsy enough to claim it, thinking he won't be taken seriously. This is bastard mod, remember? With explicit third party? Lyncher satisfies that.

[Pine]

What's really frustrating me is that "nuh-uh" is an invalid defense to the assertion you're making about my choices here.

I actually do enjoy playing Town once in a while, and thought that picking scum would be suicidal.

Guess that concern was right.

[Pine]

I didn't think they'd be this intense...reputation or not, my actual preference for scum is pretty mild. I did think it would help me enjoy the game a bit more - I'm gearing up for the third installment of the Revenge series, and I don't need that "hunted by competent people" stress in my life, especially during camp season.

I'm actually rather shook that a WIFOM argument like "Pine always chooses scum" is holding water with people this experienced. That's why I smell a rat.

Also, I somehow have the black key again, despite the rules of it suggesting that Alisae should have it. Someone's using shenanigans to move it around. I'm going to hold onto it for a bit, because I'm not a dick.

Implosion, do me a favor. Throw out the "Lynchers don't exist" preconception you have, and ISO Katsuki. Show me one post - just one - which doesn't fit a Lyncher.

[Pine]

Scum was actually my third pick this game.

Shake things up a bit.

Quote things like an adult.

[Pine]

YOU'RE NOT SCUM BECAUSE OF YOUR INCLINATION TO PICK SCUM
YOU'RE SCUM BECAUSE OF THIS

312 in response to this.

[Pine]

did you think picking town would save you from the onslaught of "pine will definitely pick scum" arguments?

Sorry, wrong button. In response to this.

[Pine]

Let me rephrase

Show me any Katsuki post where he does anything a non-Lyncher Town scumhunter would do.

PE: Of course there is. I've gone after several people so far. That's inconsistent with a Lyncher. Katsuki HASN'T

[Pine]

I didn't. It took me a while to get there.

If Katsuki had been pursuing a couple of targets and not looking at possible Town or w/e, I'd say scum.

We're in a flagged-as-bastard game with acknowledged third party, and Katsuki HAS NOT posted ANYTHING except attacks on me and deflections about himself. Nothing. Not one single opinion about anyone or anything else. No setup spec, no scumhunting, no Townreading, not even any banter. Single-minded attacking of a single target, plus unprompted and repeated claiming of Lyncher.

Any other game or situation, I'd agree with you. In this game, Lyncher isn't only possible, but actually kind of likely.

[Pine]

The funny thing is that I've been scumhunting this entire time, my genius lies in my ability to scumhunt without anyone being able to tell.

Yeah? Who’s scum, then? So far I just clock Plum

[Pine]

This fucking game

I pick Town ONCE and get lynched for it

Let’s see, last minute reads

I have a gut feeling that {Skygazer, Alisae} contains 1 scum
Grats to Lyncher Katsuki
Kuribo and implosion are probably Town
Plum still scum
Take a good long look at Maria, I think she bailed on my wagon when she thought it would look bad later to be on it

Umm everyone else idk and don’t give a shit

Hopefully I’m reading this wrong and can save everyone else from the black key

[Pine]

So apparently I’m banned from CYS games

[Pine]

Alisae claimed Miller, right? In {Skygazer, Ali}, it’s probably the latter

[Pine]

Eat a dick

[Pine]

Have a key

[Pine]

Because I’m feeling bitter, and decided not to be noble

[Pine]

Dude I’m already lynched. I don’t care anymore. There was no process, no intent, just hammer, and oh we’ll slip you the black key too

This was a poor form D1

I feel unjustly policy lynched

[Pine]

Hope I can pass the key in twilight

[Pine]

No, implosion

I was put to L-2 before there was any meaningful content on the board at ALL, specifically for meta reasons. They weren’t even RVS votes. Then when I panic a little, I get a lyncher jumping down my throat, Ali memeing at me, and everything I said got ignored

The 2/3 OMGUS scumread? I voted Plum first. Plum’s vote was after mine. If anything, you’ve got it backwards.

This felt personal. I tried to tell myself “Dude, they’re afraid of the awesome might of your scumgame,” but bullshit. This had nothing to do with my play here. The last couple of votes, maybe, but the bulk of the wagon was advertised as a meta policy lynch. “Pine chooses scum here every time”

No I fucking don’t. I like having my reputation, but lately it’s made actually playing the game really hard, because I get reverse-BOP’ed in every damn game.

It’s really bothering me, because while I get that there’s some merit to the initial suspicion, I’m not really being given any kind of fair shake

[Pine]

doesn't town!pine at least like, claim here or something. it's a no-flip game. you gotta give us something to work with if you're actually town.

Nah, fuck you

[Pine]

Sorry, I don’t mean to make it personal

I get that it’s probably not

But it feels like it is

I’ll stfu

My role name is Cockatrice (because they’re cool). I was a bit JOAT-like, but...not? 3-shot reflexive immunity to events targeting me, 2-shot make someone drop a key

[Pine]

Still don’t want the key back

[Pine]

PINE
YOU GET TO PLAY THE GAME
HI PINE!

Not really. I wasn't allowed to play this game, and you're pretty much telling me I'm still not allowed.

Merci Madame!

or w/e

[Pine]

Merci, Madame!

Here are the things I have to say:

All groupscum are very likely ghosts.

Whoever comes back - if it isn't me - needs to be removed again.
At least one of Implosion/TL is scum.
Get rid of Kuribo. They are anti-town.

The bolded is ridiculously implausible. I haven't kept up at all (because I didn't think I'd get back into the game) but I seriously doubt you people are such ace shots that you got the whole scumteam already.

[Pine]

Are you fucking kidding me

no one gave two shits about his meta

Everything he posted was scummy af
he was scummy
i scumhunted him
he claimed scum to me
i put him in the grave
simple as

Unless you somehow think it's townie to claim the person pushing ROPE is a lyncher in which case
I refer you to Dr. Kuribo.

you claimed lyncher, you twat

[Pine]

PINE CAN YOU JUST BE NICE AND CLAIM SCUM FOR US SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ON WITH THIS GAME

IM A PINE LYNCHER WHO MUST LYNCH HIM BEFORE WE HIT 57 TO WIN THEN I CAN EXIT THIS GAME IN PEACE

[Pine]

ya u mad?

No, not at all. It actually explains things perfectly, and I don't hold grudges. I actually kind of think you're Town these days anyway...kuribo's the TP, and I don't think scum!Katsuki does this.

[Pine]

There's that too ^^

PE: Maybe? It's the other stuff I'm not so sure about, like claiming you need the purple key in your first post etc. I think you'd be more self-controlled.

[Pine]

Hey Ali. How you been?

[Pine]

That’s reasonable. I trust GEmerald more than most players in this game

[Pine]

You may give him a chance
We won’t tho

Tho him being able to make MariaR drop her key might change my mind

[Pine]

As far as I can tell, Skygazer’s “resurrection” of me was bullshit anyway

[Pine]

GEmerald is going to kill her. That will drop the key. Why would I waste a limited power for no good purpose?

[Pine]

And again, I’m pretty sure I’m still a ghost

[Pine]

Hmm

I did in fact miss that

[Pine]

GEmerald is going to kill her. That will drop the key. Why would I waste a limited power for no good purpose?

wait I thought the vote was limited to ghosts
am I wrong?

Nah you’re right, I just reread it

Aren’t you going to just lynch Maria? I’m still not sure what the point of making someone drop if you’re gearing up to get rid of them anyway

[Pine]

Okay, that makes sense

[Pine]

Sent it in. Still not sure if it will even work, the role PM doesn’t specify whether it’s active as a ghost or not

Checking my role PM also reminded me that it will also suppress her voice and vote for a little while

[Pine]

Got a reply

Ghosts can’t use actions

Well then *shrug*

[Pine]

banish implo/sky
lynch the other
pine drops mariar's key

As I said, I can’t while a ghost

[Pine]

banish implo/sky
lynch the other
pine drops mariar's key

As I said, I can’t while a ghost

as soon as you're not a ghost

Until then, get off my tits

[Pine]

There's a mysterious voice whispering in my ear that Pine was in fact town and that we should resurrect him so my apologies Pine!

Would you like to atone for your scummy play by telling us who's scum?

Beats the shit out of me. I haven’t really been playing

Ali’s constant attempts to maneuver the game around since ghost town started give me indigestion, and I’m not a fan of Implosion

[Pine]

I wouldn’t weep if Skygazer fucked off though. She is pretty flail-y and I can’t figure out why

[Pine]

Hot take: GreyICE is solidly Town

[Pine]

if you wanna hear a hot take
I got one Pine

It is to me. I didn’t read fucking anything from when I was banished to when I came back. I’m treating this like I replaced into a poisoned slot or something

What’s your take

[Pine]

I didn’t need your permission, but thanks

[Pine]

Ummm

That would have been a good line in 99% of games

Technically, as a ghost, I suppose I DO need permission to be Town...so thanks for real? #confusingmechanics

[Pine]

Because a non-Ghost (probably) has to choose to bring us back

[Pine]

That is...I mean...fucking obviously not what I meant

[Pine]

Yes. I am dead and need someone to give me permission to be alive again, and therefore a full member of the game. At which point, I will again matter

You’re making this way more complicated than it needs to be

[Pine]

I fucking did

[Pine]

How is she not?

[Pine]

Alternatively, I don't care to beg. I'm not likely to be the sole survivor, so I'll focus on who I'd rather banish.

[Pine]

YOLO

SOMEONE BANISH IMPY

MY WINCON DICTATES I BANISH PINE
NO WONDER IT STATED I HAD TO LYNCH HIM TWICE

BANISH PINE

Shocker.

[Pine]

Banish Implosion

[Pine]

Yay, pine was town!

Yay, I'm also town!

Banish: TemporalLich

Awww. Sorry to banish you then bruh. We’re not winning this I think

[Pine]

This setup was really cool

[Pine]

Third Party Kraken Kuribo WINS,

Third Party Lexi, Katsuki, WINS

Second Wave 2019

Second Wave 4 Life

...wave?