Mini Theme 2103 - E Bastard

[Chickadee]

Hi again to chickadee, jigglypuff, nomx3, RCE, Baezu, and chemist.
Nice to meet the rest of you.

Uh.... RIP korina.... except it wasn't written in the blue text of truth so idk what's up with that

Hi!

[Chickadee]

Chemist, yo, let's chill.

[Chickadee]

Chemist, yo, let's chill.

oh that was a joke sorry

Oh I meant chill as in hang.
Let's hang.
Not lynch hang.
Like, what's up?




Also wtf is with all these votes by page 3??? Y'all are crazy.

[Chickadee]

So don't ask me things.

Ew

[Chickadee]

I know who I'm shooting if Cyrus flips town and it rhymes with pick a tree.

lol ok

that's a wild extrapolation you did there

[Chickadee]

Do you think I was saying ew to changing your vote? No. I was saying ew to the "don't ask me things" part. I don't care if you change your vote. There's nothing to care about yet as far as votes are concerned.

I care that you're shutting down interactions before they happen.

[Chickadee]

Someone has an invisible vote or Korina is voting gameplay beyond the grave.

gameplay506 (1)??;

What the shit why did I miss that

Can anyone here kindly tell us if this is a bastard mechanic that they're not sharing with us or not?

I'd rather they not. I don't think it's something we should be concerned about at the moment.

Somehow this feels like scum!vork.

I like the way you think.

[Chickadee]

Drew I think you should go ahead and tell us.

[Chickadee]

I still think Vorkuta is scum by the by.

But Drew needs to die today.

I'm cool with lynching doc tomorrow. 1 cultist but they may not be able to recruit without doc.

VOTE: Vorkuta

Um no.
We don't let a cult go unchecked for even one night. Eliminate it while we can.


VOTE: Doctor Drew

[Chickadee]

@Drew any feelings as to who might be the living cult here?

I know it wasn't directed at me...

but omnonmnonmnono seems to want Drew to live

[Chickadee]

If you have any questions about your role, you should ask the mod. He will either answer them, or tell you that he can't (for mechanic reasons). It's way better than us discussing possibilities for several pages.

I thunk though that your role saying it's not good for town, means literally that....being recruited is bad for town. As is such with cults.

[Chickadee]

If you have any questions about your role, you should ask the mod. He will either answer them, or tell you that he can't (for mechanic reasons). It's way better than us discussing possibilities for several pages.

I thunk though that your role saying it's not good for town, means literally that....being recruited is bad for town. As is such with cults.

This is a bastard game.

For obvious reasons I can't just copy and paste the role PM here. There is alot of room for interpretation though. I understand the core mechanics, there is some vagueness though that I feel is intentional.

So talking it out helps with solving the game.

Is there something about my role that worries you? We can talk about it.

I don't have any concerns that talking about would help. I actually do think your town. I'm just saying if YOU have any questions about your role, ask the mod. For instance, ask the mod if your role will still enable recruiting if you're dead.

I just think it's your time to go, because of the negative town utility.

Jesus I need better reading comprehension.

I think it doesn't matter if I am alive or dead the first two nights, I still will recruit. And then I will recruit after that every night only if I am alive.

Sorry, I have been trying to decipher my role PM like it is a riddle and I pick something new up Everytime.

So.....votes off me?

Ask the mod.

[Chickadee]

Can you make a compelling argument why town should allow a cult to grow when we have the chance to just not?

Mechanically I really do think you are today's lynch, and it has nothing to do with your play, or what you've said. You're pretty town sounding here. But...you enable a cult to start growing.

[Chickadee]

gameplay506 (1)??;

Whoever this is

Would you like to communicate with me?

We've already talked about this, and (I'm in a rush here, so I'm not gonna go back and check who) a few people said it's better for this person to stay hidden.

The "??" are in green, but the text at the bottom of the vote count is blue. Text of truth.

can we pressure the dude that says Drew is obviously town and wants to lynch there without questions asked?

Hi, I also said this.

Can you tell me what Drew has done to make you think he's not town? Mechanically sure, it's easy to see. But look at his actions and words.

[Chickadee]

apologies for the slow start from me. I've been adjusting to a new job i started last week, and a whole new schedule. I'll be able to sit down and look at this better tomorrow night.

I don't think mechanically there's a different vote from me though.

But I'll be able to give some reads.

[Chickadee]

Ok guys. I lied. I did not expect to come back to 5 pages, so I will not be able to go into depth tonight. But I'll try to at least catch up.
So far, not interested in this Ico-Cyrus debacle. Seems TvT

[Chickadee]

Posting thoughts as I read. FYI


PM can be lynched. But still want Drew today. I seriously don't like PM's hang up on mechanically trying to see if there's a way we can No Lynch. It seems like they're trying to hard to look townie, but they're failing, and they just want to be seen doing something.

[Chickadee]

Very ashamed that town let Drew live.

VOTE: Dr. Drew

So we'll never know what Korrina really was. Such a shame. Another shame, is that there are more powerless people like me. I finally feel like there's someone like me.

Real talk, I do want to know this.

Mod: Are you allowed to disclose what Korrina originally was before the modkill and what rule she broke to get modkilled?

PM continues to try and look like they're doing something. They're not.

Also hot take

RCE is/was the only VT in this game.
Discuss

Um....what makes you say this?

[Chickadee]

It's a game of mafia so there has to be a scum team.

[Chickadee]

Lol.

I recruit into cult, I should be lynched.

Sounds a bit like you aren't sure about lynching me.

Hmm?

I really love the pace of this game, however will remain behind. Work is kicking my butt and on top of that I feel like I might be getting sick. Yay childcare.

I'll post when I can. Super sorry.

[Chickadee]

What even is this game?
Why is there any debate about this????

Drew- from what I remember (sorry, sick, not taking time to look back) you will recruit N1 and N2 regardless of being dead or alive, but past that, will only recruit if alive, yes? If that's the case, we just lynch Drew tomorrow.

[Chickadee]

In a nutshell, every night I am alive some one randomly(I have no say in the matter) is recruited into a cult. This happens the first two nights, and maybe the third. Also I cannot be one of the recruits.

Ah ok, this is what I was thinking of.

Nevermind.

[Chickadee]

Cyrus what’s with the reads list before EOD yesterday? It seemed like you thought you were gonna die???

[Chickadee]

For now I think a Shos and Vorkuta team is likely.

I think massclaim is inevitable. I want shos, Vorkuta, gameplay, cyrus and chick to claim first. In that order.

I'm good with a mass claim and can claim whenever.

But if you'd been paying attention I don't think you'd need my claim.


I think Vork could be scum. But I want to wait and say why until after a claim.

In case anyone doesn't know how this goes, once you claim, popcorn off to the next person.

[Chickadee]

Cyrus can you talk about these posts from the EOD yesterday? Why did you think you were going to die? These came across as very fake.

i think that was a hammer i'll have to look again

well before im dead here is my realist

town
icon
doctor
me
chekdee
nom
scum
gameplay
vork
shos
pm
num chimiist

[Chickadee]

Guys, no one gets to dictate the order. Whoever claims popcorns to the next.

[Chickadee]

Cyrus can you talk about these posts from the EOD yesterday? Why did you think you were going to die? These came across as very fake.

i think that was a hammer i'll have to look again

well before im dead here is my realist

town
icon
doctor
me
chekdee
nom
scum
gameplay
vork
shos
pm
num chimiist

have you ever fired as gun in pitch dark? i accused icon shos . pm and vork of being scum i thought if i was right i be nk. but like most mafi games im shooting in the dark.

Yea, I get that. It just all feels very made up and dramatic.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Cyrus

This is all really bad reasoning. on literally everything.

BTW I've been in TONS of games with FF. Does that make me scum too?

[Chickadee]

I swear he selectively reads what captures his interest and ignores the rest

i did read all you said however

i respond to what i understand

.

So why not let people know if there's something you don't understand?

Because honestly it often feels like you're selectively playing only half the game.

[Chickadee]

We won't think you're stupid, and anyone who does and treats you as such is way out of line.

[Chickadee]

Fair. But I've been super wrapped up in the exhausting job of preschool teacher, and this game hasn't been a priority.

It can also be said if you that I'm an easy push. Please tell me the scum motivation in any of my actions.

[Chickadee]

I don't know who we're still waiting on. I don't think anyone has popcorn to me, but I'm VT.

This game has become very boring for me.

[Chickadee]

I'm sick (again) and this game is low priority for me if people continue playing the way they have.

I tried D1 to do the sensible thing as town and no one listened. Drew lived, and now people are trying figure out ratios because omg cult, when we could have nipped that in the bud before it started. And everyone is wasting time about this whole mass claim business. It should have been a simple come-in-claim-get-on-with-it kind of deal.

So why should I care if the rest of town doesn't doesn't care about playing the game? That was an incredibly cheap shot to take at me nom. I was just trying to vent a frustration at the game state.

[Chickadee]

Based on?

[Chickadee]

I'm intrigued by this so I'm trying to engage.

Look at me engage.

[Chickadee]

Look at me engage.

I buy this AtE- the reengage attempt feels more or less genuine, and I'll be butthurt if scum!chikadee has this in her scum repertoire

I'll request you don't answer that

there's a reason why I half-assed that post without more quotes, so we're on the same page.

However

shos said he's gonna ignore you

so.....

I wish I were scum this game.

Honestly I've rolled VT like 18 times in a row and I hate it.

[Chickadee]

Vork I want you to claim next.

[Chickadee]

"pretty much" and "have explicit" are different things.

Could you just play along.

[Chickadee]

I feel like I've been missing something for quite some time. Where did people find that at least 50% of roles will be bastard roles?

[Chickadee]

Where did people find that at least 50% of roles will be bastard roles?

It was advertised as such- the quote below links you to the game signup post

Spoiler:

this game has been advertised as BASTARD, and you think you know the exact number of PR's vs VT?

Yes
Cyrus is obviously speculating out of his backside, but I have some """"insight"""""

Flavor/Mechanics:At least 50% of all players will get a bastard role. Other than this.. it could contain bastard and non-bastard mechanics.

6 VTs & 7bastard roles
Ez

/s

Anyway "at least" is amazingly ambiguous.
Scum could have a Bastard roll and a noBastard roll or whatever combination
Let's do the math after the MC

Please put the town points in my tip jar

UNVOTE:
Ok that's what I was thinking.

I'm just gonna throw a wild theory out there. The sign up post is not in the truth of text color. I could absolutely see that mattering in a bastard game where there exists a text of truth color.


Which means it gives Vork some scum equity in my book.


So I want Vork to completely and fully claim or eat rope.

[Chickadee]

Why would you self vote as town if it loses us the game?

[Chickadee]

Ok, caught up.

You guys have me for about an hour before I have to go to a doctor appointment (side story, the lady not he phone this morning asked why I was coming in and got very concerned and said "Oh dear" when I told her I'd been sick for a week and a half. It was adorable.)

Still unsure about Vork, but it's not happening so I won't be pushing there.
Nom can be town
Icon can be town
Spicey, but I even think Shos can be town

[Chickadee]

Anyone that isn't me, or isn't on that list.

My preference would be PM

Cyrus feels too easy

Gameplay is null because they seemed to site flake. Would prefer to wait for a replacement before doing anything with that slot.

[Chickadee]

Chemist I would have to look back at. Forgot they were here

[Chickadee]

Chemist feels town. I buy what they're feeling.

[Chickadee]

Nom can you elaborate on PM a bit

[Chickadee]

Same

[Chickadee]

7 days after Korina was mod killed, he was site wide banned from games for cheating. I don't know how/why though or if the two are connected.

I don't think focusing on Korina is the key, as it's unlikely to give us any answers. No one knows anything, and no one can confirm anything. It's all speculation.

[Chickadee]

Drew absolutely would have been lynched D1. I have to believe people would have come to their common sense.

It's hard to say what could have/would have happened in the past, because there's a lot of things that should have unfolded differently. I don't know how it helps. I think we should be talking about who we want today.

[Chickadee]

Chick can be town. Actually is a good ISO skim, really

Why?

[Chickadee]

Read his ISO. I haven't read it all word by word, but everything I did see gave me good vibes, or actually, never gave me bad vibes. Either he is superb scum or he is actually trying to make himself useful, and as it appears, fails

Ok thanks
I like that answer

[Chickadee]

Kelly Chen. We did a mass claim. What's your role?

[Chickadee]

Kelly Chen town

Btw if we found cult, would we lynch them? Or do we have to find PMysterious' group because of the NK potential? Sounds like the feeling, at least used to be, to go for scum before cult. But we got one now.

We absolutely kill scum first. Cults do not typically have a night kill (and we don't have anything to prove so far that they do), and should still be invested in hunting scum that could take them out.

[Chickadee]

Ok, thanks for that Chickadee. Are you saying I'm town or you're town there?

I'm saying you're town.

[Chickadee]

There were plenty of people who didn't vote PM. Myself included (was really banking on a deadline extension). What makes shos more worthy of a vote today based on that?

[Chickadee]

That sounded really bad.

It's ok to look at other players, and reevaluate. It sounds like you're voting shos just to stay consistent.

[Chickadee]

That sounded really bad.

It's ok to look at other players, and reevaluate. It sounds like you're voting shos just to stay consistent.

No, I just vote shos because that's where I'm the most sure.

Also I re-evaluated reads but I guess it's easier to dismiss those just to shade me huh?

Read what you wrote as if it came from another person, and tell me what you think. Not your intentions. I honestly want to know what you would think if someone else wrote what you wrote.

[Chickadee]

Well scum dead are obviously useless. Townies may be useful; can you speak with Korina? Can we get role information with her?

Also I assumed that this is not all his role...

Why are you fixated on Korina?

[Chickadee]

Lots to look at. Will get to this on lunch break, or after work.

[Chickadee]

What did I even just read?

@Ico - between show and nom, I would lean more toward nom being town than shos. Yesterday I would have said the opposite, but reading over things today and seeing how they're both responding to the game state changes things.

@shos - You asked what makes it a fixation? You keep bringing up Korina, when he was MODKILLED. Never even posted in thread. MODKILLED. So if Korina is somehow a magical puzzle piece for you, just come out and say it. Otherwise it's a waste of time to keep bringing it up. Let's sort players still here. Preferably scum players. I have no interest in cult hunting.

[Chickadee]

Haven’t caught up. Just responding to this one thing real quick.

Ur talking about weeks ago, not now. also, it was extremely relevant to know wether or not Korina was a VT, AND not to mention I asked that particular question because Cyrus claimed that the information WAS available, but the 'mod removed it'.

As for your comment about being dead, no. Being modkilled =/= being dead.

I don't know why I haven't been having dreams. Have you considered the fact that MAYBE they don't know they can? Or MAYBE they know, but not who? I've fully claimed all I know, and I tried baiting the NK by leaving some in the open while actually being a useless role.

Do you honestly have doubts about my claim?

I also remember reading it and will also back up that the mod removed it.
But I don’t think we should base anything solid on it since it appears to be information we “don’t have.”

@shos you keep seeming to forget the part where I’m capitalizing MODKILLED to emphasize that line of questioning is pointless. It wasn’t a regular game death. If you really want to waste your time with it that’s fine but I would encourage anyone not to waste with you. I’m trying to get the group focused on things that matter and you’re taking that and spinning it to shade me.

[Chickadee]

I need a vote count. I'm out of touch and should be packing. Eeep

[Chickadee]

Was there a lynch or no? I'm lost without a vote count.

VOTE: shos
In case it matters

[Chickadee]

Icon kill makes sense. Honestly surprised they lasted this long. They were the most widely town read.

Why do you think it’s odd?
Also why would you think it’s odd there’s still a killer? The game is still going.

[Chickadee]

FYI I’m not declaring VLA, but I’m in the middle of a move, and I’m sick, and I don’t have WiFi set up at the new place yet, so yea.

[Chickadee]

I think nom flipping scum puts shos town too. If anyone thinks they could have been scum together, I’d like to talk about it.

[Chickadee]

Again. Nom flipped scum. I don’t think shos and nom are scum together. Do you think they can be, or are you just curious why my opinion changed? It so, it’s because of the flip.

[Chickadee]

Ok guys, I've been depressed by the game state from he beginning, and I want to work with town.

So fuck it.

I am the one and only cult member, and as far as I know, there is no way for the cult to grow. I have a PT for cult that only I can post in. DO NOT lynch me today. I am working with town. I have always been working with town. I want to hit scum. It does you no good to rid cult at the moment. If we hit scum and make it to tomorrow, go ahead and kill me. But I repeat, it is absolutely stupid to lynch cult at this point. Cult cannot kill.



inb4 there's a line to lynch me anyway....

[Chickadee]

I started the game as town. I even crumbed VT on D1. My claim of VT was never a lie. It's what I started as. I got converted N1 by Drew's role. My win condition is to gain the majority.....AS THE LONE CULTIST. So you can see why I'm depressed af about the game.


THE ONLY condition where it might be smart for town to lynch me today is if there were a town killing role. But no one claimed one. And at this point, I would not trust any taksie-backsie claims. But a town killing role could account for another kill last night. Outside of that, it has to be scum.

I have no reason to out myself and lie. If I were planning on lying I would just stay hidden. I have no hope of winning this game, so I'm siding with at least my former alignment.

[Chickadee]

Kelly I’m a town vote. I will not actively vote against someone I think is town. You guys should be scum hunting. Don’t even consider me today unless we’re getting down to deadline.

[Chickadee]

Vork, you are literally the only person I'm willing to talk to right now, followed by Shot I think. Let's talk about this.

[Chickadee]

Why would you not be able to Lynch me? Even if the game ends when scum dies I don’t have a majority and I can’t get a majority. I’m literally just a guaranteed town sided vote at this point. I can’t win the game and only want to help town to get this game over with.

And if you don’t hit scum you bet they’re killing Vork tonight.


I knew claiming was stupid

[Chickadee]

Why did we hash out who to redirect? If we’re wrong, scum just kills to frame it how they want it to look anyway.

I’ve largely checked out of this game, hopefully understandably. You guys aren’t gonna let me live anyway.

[Chickadee]

I just got really frustrated being the only cult. And D2 I had to keep up with lynching Drew, otherwise it would out me. And rolling VT before being cult was frustrating as well. I wasn't kidding when I said I'd rolled VT like 18 times. I seriously cannot remember a game recently where I wasn't VT. And it's seriously getting depressing. I figured I would have won if I survived, but I was too frustrated to keep up the facade.

And I told town not to lynch me...and no one listened.

Korina, I would have loved the role you got, just FYI.