Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Kerset

[Flubbernugget]

I don't think you have any way to point me as scum right now so I would also be interested in seeing a wagon attempt on me.

Yeah there's been this pattern of weirdness between nom and skitter where they both keep going after the same person on dubious grounds

do tell

There's the initial thing where im scum for playing more like a typical townie

And now there's this xayah thing where they just feel "off"

[Luca Blight]

Wooper, please don’t try to portray Billy as a newbie - that’s the reason he was townread in his previous scumgame, for passing a couple of reaction tests no-one believed he was capable of as scum. He’s a fast learner and very clued-up, don’t underestimate him.

When I’m on a computer I’ll make a scum case against Billy, because I do still believe he is scum.

[Kerset]

Frost is maintaining his view despite the pressure. He could have gone on Billy or Kerset which would have been easier going, but he seems to genuinely want the Xayah Lynch.

I don't think that there was anything harder about it.
Sorry for no url this time i am on mobile

843 844 845 even you agreed that xaya is your second pick

Then xaya gave posts and things didn't get bettter for her
881 883 the offer to wagon comes in

885 aaron arrives
Mad xaya continues
889 reveal of his stand point

Sure he could go for billy or me but don't tell me that xaya wasn't easy thing to push. It was clearly a forming wagon and there was no difficulty atm. He did get pressure for bad execution of this plan but he would only lose by backing off at this point ( rb gives chocolates).

[Luca Blight]

He’s been defending Billy a bit with his recent posts though (by saying we should lynch regardless of the list) when he could easily have voted him or at least kept the option of voting him more open. Obviously they could both be scum together, but I just think the case against Frost is really weak anyway.

[Luca Blight]

Actually I can only phone post until next week, so not sure if I’ll be able to give a full Billy case. I’ll see what I can do, though.

[AaronFrost]

i guess part of me is stuck in that when i compare this game to the prior one i've played with town!him he feels ~quite~ different. he was kinda like obvtown there and very ... not agressive exactly, but more insistent on getting his pov across, he feels a lot more reactive here in comparison, and like he's just kinda posting without thinking about it too / the implications too much
i don't have meta on scum!him tho

i also don't particularly like his voting pattern

Aaron Fucking Frost's one and only horribly played scum game

I don't usually like using self-meta as an argument but since others have brought it up I might as well link to my scum game.

[AaronFrost]

I like his tone around page 44 - I believe he is the main wagon at this point but is still expressing his point in a calm, reasoned manner (even though the opinion he is expressing of lynching regardless of PR’s doesn’t help himself atm, a likely pr).

Frost is maintaining his view despite the pressure. He could have gone on Billy or Kerset which would have been easier going, but he seems to genuinely want the Xayah Lynch.

I would be willing to compromise on lynching Kerset if the Xayah wagon doesn't go through, but I'd still prefer to lynch Xayah today.

I also maintain my stance on lynching PRs.

[AaronFrost]

Between aaron or kerset i'd push kerset if I had the certainty he'd be lynched.

VOTE: Kerset

I don't have faith in a Xayah lynch.

Not sure what you mean by this?

[AaronFrost]

Sure he could go for billy or me but don't tell me that xaya wasn't easy thing to push. It was clearly a forming wagon and there was no difficulty atm. He did get pressure for bad execution of this plan but he would only lose by backing off at this point ( rb gives chocolates).

Why would I take that risk as scum though? Yeah plenty of people are on board with lynching Xayah but the wagon is also being met with relative resistance. Kerset/Billy wagons had almost no resistance to them so if I'm scum then placing my vote on one of those is the objectively better move. The only reason I would do this as scum is if I believed that Xayah got some really strong power that I was afraid but right now there is no reason to believe that.

[Luca Blight]

yes maria, your lack of any content that isn't just you defending yourself is supremely scummy

because your focus is blatantly nothing but actually staying alive

This is actually a good point.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Xayah

[Xayah]

Sure he could go for billy or me but don't tell me that xaya wasn't easy thing to push. It was clearly a forming wagon and there was no difficulty atm. He did get pressure for bad execution of this plan but he would only lose by backing off at this point ( rb gives chocolates).

Why would I take that risk as scum though? Yeah plenty of people are on board with lynching Xayah but the wagon is also being met with relative resistance. Kerset/Billy wagons had almost no resistance to them so if I'm scum then placing my vote on one of those is the objectively better move. The only reason I would do this as scum is if I believed that Xayah got some really strong power that I was afraid but right now there is no reason to believe that.

My wagon didn't show any resistance until recently. You didn't vote me recently you voted me when you thought it would go through.

yes maria, your lack of any content that isn't just you defending yourself is supremely scummy

because your focus is blatantly nothing but actually staying alive

This is actually a good point.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Xayah

No it's not? It's not even objectively true but even if it was it's not even a good point.

What's your read on flub/PM?

[Sirfetchd]

Actually it was vanity at the time. So I reckon it checks out.

[Luca Blight]

Xayah, you haven’t done anything in your recent posts apart from defend yourself. I’m not seeing any game-solving from you.

My reads on Pm and Flubs are null.

[Xayah]

What game do I need to solve when I have most of my reads in check?

[Luca Blight]

Ok, can you run me through your reads, then?

[Xayah]

I don't do reads lists. I hate them. If you want to know a few of my reads give me some names and I'll run you through them.

[Luca Blight]

I’d like to know your thoughts on just about everyone really. Can you just give a sentence on how you feel about every player?

[TheWizard]

Xayah (5):

AaronFrost, rb, Wooper, Sirfetchd, Luca Blight

AaronFrost (3):

Xayah, skitter30, Kerset

Kerset (2):

Flubbernugget, nomnomnom

rb (1):

PMysterious

Not Voting (3):

Sujimichi, Billy Pilgrim, Something_Smart

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-03 00:30:00)

[TheWizard]

@mod proxy vote to skitter please

if you allow this kinda thing

To vote, you must use vote tags, or type "vote:" followed by a player's name.

[Luca Blight]

I have to say the Xayah wagon has a townie feel to it.

[Xayah]

1.Wooper: I liked his late game posting. Didn’t have a lasting impression early game. He’s not doing obvious scum stuff that I’d expect from him.
2. Sirfetchd: I think he’s pretty obvious town. I liked most of his play, even if he asks some pretty dumb questions at times. I nodded my head to most of his stuff.
3. Sujimichi: I’d be shocked if anyone had a strong opinion on this slot at the moment. He’d be an easy lynch, but that’s NAI
4. Skitter30: Skitter has a great scum game, but I don’t really see an agenda in post of there posting. It’s clear they’re lowing low but It’s not clear why yet.
5. Something_Smart: Pretty blatantly obvious town. If he’s scum he extended his range hard. He’s clearly solving and going at this game in the SS style.
6. Nomnomnom: I think noms late game posting is getting better. Goes right up to SS levels of town if Aaron is scum
7. Kerset: I already said why Kersets tone and overall play makes them town here. Along with how Aaron wagon is going I think Kerset is the town in the two
8. AaronFrost: You already know my feelings here.
9. Flubbernugget: One of my null slots that has done basically nothing.
10. Billy Pilgrim: Billy posts a lot and asks a lot of questions, but I want to see where his reads are and what stances they have. I want to see the results of their ‘solving’
11. Rb: I’ll continue to ignore rb until he decides to do some legit solving and not make invalid arguments
12. Luca Blight: Pretty obvious town. His thoughts are very easy to understand and the flow of his posting is amazing.
14. PMysterious: Ngl I think I’ve read a total of 0 PM posts.

[Luca Blight]

I get your reads for the most part. I don’t get why you only suspect Frost primarily for asking pointless questions when Billy has been guilty of the same thing?

And like the fact that you’re using meta for to hard-Tr SS, I’m doing the same with Frost. Look at his previous scum game and see how different his play is. I’m having a hard time believing he could improve so much as scum in a short time frame.

[Luca Blight]

Although you did vote Billy earlier, so fair enough I guess. I feel like Billy has been far more in the shadows than Frost though, who has been transparent by comparison. I also hate Billy’s iso wall post on Xayah, it feels like fake scum hunting. He usually scum hunts through interactions, not like this:

I’m just gonna stock with my biggest scumread.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Billy

[Sirfetchd]

haha I was about to make a post about who people are inclined to vote on out of Xayah, Aaron, or Kerset bc we at the 48 hour mark. That said I can probably be around at deadline, so if you drum up support quickly power to you.

So, tell me about Billy bc I stopped reading their posts when they got longer than a single paragraph.