Micro 898 | Forest Fire | Over

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.06

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Blatant Scum

(3): Pine, PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald

Pyrrha Nikos

(1): Dannflor

Not Voting

(5): Blatant Scum, sheepsaysmeep, eth0s, Pyrrha Nikos, Banakai

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-16 07:30:00).

Mod notes:

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[Dannflor]

So, hot and spicy read, Blatant Scum is town.

This is based on nothing to do with his own play, I consider pretty much all of his actions up until now largely NAI and given he's decided to troll I'm going to leave directly sorting him till a later date. Instead, I'd like you all to consider that Blatant Scum has become and maintained his status as the leading wagon throughout a day where every other player has posted at least once.

No one has even voted

since Gamma voted Blatant Scum in #81. No RVS votes, nothing.

Blatant Scum is a mislynch because if he were scum than he and his scum buddy would be more intent on driving up some sort of counterwagon, especially with so many people checking in to say "my vote is still good on BS," or basically expressing intent to vote BS like Banakai has. The people who haven't scumread or voted BS, namely sheepsaysmeep and eth0s, have neglected to push an alternative. This is exactly what I'd expect scum to do in a situation where the early leading wagon is town. Soft-defend it and hope it goes through anyway.

I'm disappointed that

no-one

has laid down a vote since the first few pages of the game. RVS is important and I feel we've skipped entirely by it. Regardless, I think this game-state indicates that BS is more likely town than not.

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Anyway, VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

His entire ISO revolves around his town read on Blatant Scum, which is like, fine in a vacuum—I now think it's an accurate read. However, look at what he's actually doing. He responds to people questioning him on his BS read such as in his interactions with Pyrrha but doesn't seem interested in directly sorting any player, Blatant Scum included. His non BS reads are generated from other people prodding him, such as in #129 and #159. He's not questioning the multitude of people who came to the exact opposite conclusion about Blatant Scum or trying to place their alignment, despite his only solid read being on BS himself.

Like you can argue passive playstyles vs. active playstyles, but I question what townie sees their #1 town read as the leading wagon with no alternatives and doesn't seek to remedy that in some way—either by prodding people on the wagon about their scum read or pushing an alternative elsewhere. His play exactly fits the modus operandi of my theoretical scum.

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Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative. I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.

[Blatant Scum]

You're also either purposefully dumb-telling here or still haven't read the setup. Scum can only choose to prime or ignite once per night. They would have had to prime RC tonight, and then ignite the next night in order to kill him. It is impossible for anyone to die tonight.

Yes, but he could get doused N1.
Then ignited as stump.

Pretty sure Stumps can be primed too.

Scum probably wouldn't waste 2 nights killing a stump.

[Blatant Scum]

What was your intention in self-voting, Blatant Scum?

To make it easier for you to lynch me.

This plays to your win condition, how?

People usually start townreading me after I troll for a while.
It lowers lynchpool whisout wastling lynch.

Slayer’s Gambit isn’t creative, everyone’s tried it, and it never works well

Slayer's Gambit?
You mean this thing I am doing right now?
It worked for me so far.

[Blatant Scum]

linking this very game as his scum game, self-voting to L-1, and his general tone read rather forced to me. It's hard for me to see townie motivation for those things.

meh agree to disagree
i find that this type of erratic behavior is generally too rash to be w shrug

@sheep, I couldn’t understand why the only link that didn’t seem to be working was the one to his scumgame but Dann is right, that link led straight back to this one. So, please explain to me why town!BS does that?

To get scum readed?

[Blatant Scum]

@sheepsaysmeep, I can see the argument for Blatant Scum's, uh... blatant-ness being townie. However, antics like linking this very game as his scum game, self-voting to L-1, and his general tone read rather forced to me. It's hard for me to see townie motivation for those things

It's not forced

nor towny

.

What?

It is genuine and NAI to me.

[Blatant Scum]

If there was only 7 slots in this game, I’d probably be voting BS for 26.

@BS, can you link me a town and scumgame of yours? Thanks.

Town games:
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=80916 (I was a little off-meta here)
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=80922
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81029

Scum games:
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81212

It works just fine for me. What does it do?

I just want to point out that blatant scum linked to THIS GAME as his scum game ???? (and then confirmed it's correct ???) is this a legit mistake? the worlds stupidest scum slip? reverse psychology?

Reverse psychology.

[Blatant Scum]

So, hot and spicy read, Blatant Scum is town.

See?
My strategy

does

work!

[Blatant Scum]

Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative. I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.

Factional Communication:

During the night phase

you may talk with your partner [Private Topic Link]here[/Private Topic Link].

Out of curiosity, how would you stop me?

[PenguinPower]

Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative. I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.

Let's not leave it at that since you brought it up. It happened over the course of 2ish hours - read: quickly. Very likely that you weren't even present before or during the interaction.

[Banakai]

pyyre strikes me as tryhard but tough to decide alignment

sheep strikes me as a town but bad at it

Blatant scum would be my biggest vote RN but I won't vote and leave him 1 away from death. -- also he's potentially just one of those trolly players, which I would normally like to lynch anyway (but in this game if we lynch him and hes town he sticks around)

my reads so far in conclusion:

pyrr: neutral, hard to read

RC's slot: medium to heavy town lean

sheep: medium town lean

blatantscum: heavy-ish scum lean

everybody else: I haven't decided

Why is sheep “town but bad at it”, because you disagree with his reads?

Basically (also just to note I consider myself bad at town too, or at least I was. This is my first game in 5 years)

I just don't agree with the notion that "Scum would never do anything rash like express intent to lynch in the first page(s)". In my experience as scum you very often try to do unexpected things like make yourself the center of attention to throw off the town.

So I find his reasoning for the town read on BS dumb, but also recognize he's making a decent attempt to look at the game deeper

[Banakai]

Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative.

I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.

yes I agree with penguin please explain this

[Gamma Emerald]

What was your intention in self-voting, Blatant Scum?

To make it easier for you to lynch me.

This plays to your win condition, how?

People usually start townreading me after I troll for a while.
It lowers lynchpool whisout wastling lynch.

Slayer’s Gambit isn’t creative, everyone’s tried it, and it never works well

Slayer's Gambit?
You mean this thing I am doing right now?
It worked for me so far.

Oh really, how well.

[Gamma Emerald]

So, hot and spicy read, Blatant Scum is town.

See?
My strategy

does

work!

Yeah,

some

people town read you. How has it helped in other games?

[sheepsaysmeep]

idk what to say to dann's read on me i'd agree with it if i wasnt me

[sheepsaysmeep]

dann's prolly my strongest villa at this point maybe for the wall on this page alone but was already v leaning before that

the flip on bs feels very, very, genuine; he's overall reminiscent of some mini normal we played a while back though i was wolf in it but he has the same good content

[sheepsaysmeep]

sheep strikes me as a town but bad at it

this is a good read

i dont like it but prolly a genuine read

[sheepsaysmeep]

1. Blatant Scum
2. Pyrrha Nikos
3. Gamma Emerald replaces RadiantCowbells
4. eth0s
5. sheepsaysmeep
6. Banakai
7. Pine
8. PenguinPower
9. Dannflor

sheep, bs, pyrrha, banakai, dann all some degree above null

leaving gamma, ethos, pine, penguin

[PenguinPower]

You don't have gamma slot above null.

[sheepsaysmeep]

can you talk to me about them

is there meta or something that im missing

[sheepsaysmeep]

im actually really confident in sheep bs pyrrha dann all villa

is the size of the remaining poe game winning

[PenguinPower]

I mean you didn't talk about why you found anyone else above null - and it's pretty easy to pick up on - so, no I don't really feel like it.

I find it laughable that you and pyrrha have such strong reads right now. Two slots haven't even generated any content and one is just creating noise.

[PenguinPower]

Dammit plot. I want to gif.

[sheepsaysmeep]

I mean you didn't talk about why you found anyone else above null - and it's pretty easy to pick up on - so, no I don't really feel like it.

bs is twtbw and genuinely believes that everything he's been doing is protown and dann's analysis of hsi wagon is actually very sheepable

pyrrha was legitimately trying to sort me; this read is maybe a bit weaker pending them posting more

dann's content is well thought out and some of his content is honestly just.. like too good to be fake


i still havent gotten anything from gamma's psoting shrug

[sheepsaysmeep]

what are your thoughts on my v reads rn