Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Oversoul]

Bring me to LyLo they get insta voted
If volpe lives to tomorrow gets insta voted

Why are you so sure that scum always NKs me instead of you when you constantly are nagging us that you're

completely spewed town

and from what I see almost everyone seems to think that me being scum is more likely than you?

I don't understand the logic of your pov - at all.

I felt like I was more town than fire but then he died so I don’t really think scum see me as a threat
As town I become obvtown but then scum don’t kill me ever and it’s really annoying

[Oversoul]

Dann GDGW’s reaction this morning echoes what he did earlier today that I did no like. Like he knows what the townie thing to do is, but doesn’t do it until another townie does it then does it

Like I self voted for baton first and then Cephrir town self voted for baton and he even complained about pnot getting baton voted but then realized if he was town he should have voted himself and only after that does he vote himself

[Oversoul]

I felt like I was more town than fire

You're kidding right?

No I am not

[Oversoul]

I could be wrong in that belief but I do believe with how I interacted with SS it immediately spewed me town

[Oversoul]

I live in my own reality

[Oversoul]

I personally did not townloxk Fire. I outsourced that read to Cici. I think fire is a really good scum player

[Oversoul]

I was happy from a solve perspective that he died but unhappy that I did not die because it meant more torture

[Oversoul]

I literally townread everyone in this game. I hate this

[Oversoul]

Dann if I lynch GDGW with you will you nk me?

[Oversoul]

Oversoul, Fire was killed for the difficulty it would've taken to lynch him I feel.

Right now, I think you're the hardest slot to lynch aside from CC.

Why wouldn't you be the NK?

I feel like there are very few universes where you get lynched in LyLo. Isn't that why you didn't want to deal with LyLo?

If it’s not GDGW or you I’m telling you scum gonna pull some sneaky wifom shit and drag me kicking and screaming to LyLo

I am hoping my ultimatum of not voting Cici gets me to the dead thread thougj

[Oversoul]

At some point S_S and OS had a spat that lasted like 7 pages

I have a hard time seeing that as scum theatre

It was like 4 pages
Still mad Nancy locktiwned SS for that

[Oversoul]

Going with my gut. Dann is just too reasonable sounding to be scum. Ank must have had shit reads

VOTE: GdGw

[Oversoul]

Literally I just think there’s too many cooks in the kitchen. If we are wrong today we are wrong. Let the poor schmucks (please dear god not me) in LyLo deal with this

We keep producing too much noise

I think I want to kill GDGW because they are lest likely to produce good content in LyLo and this are liability plus I just think they are most likely scum based off my tonal gut reads from everyone else

[Oversoul]

I’m confused why Cici scum reads Volpw

[Oversoul]

Something_Smart(3) ~ Volpe14163, Tr1ckster69, Oversoul
OkaPoka(3) ~ Gay Dance Gone Wrong159, Dannflor, Celestial Coordinates
Tr1ckster(1) ~ Firebringer174
Dannflor(1) ~ OkaPoka288


Not Voting (1): Something_Smart123

9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Scum was definitely voting Oka at this point in the game. There is no doubt in my mind.

[Oversoul]

Why did we kill Oka yesterday again? I should have given more of a shit. I really thought it was Oh. Ugh.

[Oversoul]

Yeah. GDGW, Dann, and Cici is the final scum container.

We need to focus our efforts there.

[Oversoul]

Hmm? You switched to Oka why then?

[Oversoul]

Something_Smart(3) ~ Volpe14163, Tr1ckster69, Oversoul
OkaPoka(3) ~ Gay Dance Gone Wrong159, Dannflor, Celestial Coordinates
Tr1ckster(1) ~ Firebringer174
Dannflor(1) ~ OkaPoka288


Not Voting (1): Something_Smart123

9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Scum was definitely voting Oka at this point in the game. There is no doubt in my mind.

Scum was probably voting for S_S probably for the hard bus.

So you’re scumreading the two most likely town slots in the game?? Umm ok

This confirms my vote I guess

[Oversoul]

I will gladly die if it means no LyLo for me. But you’re still gonna be stuck with the Dann vs GDGW delimmas we are currently facing

[Oversoul]

I will laugh if it actually is GDGW because that means both of the last scum were drawn in by my siren calls of quasi obvtownie quasi scummy

[Oversoul]

I will laugh if it actually is GDGW because that means both of the last scum were drawn in by my siren calls of quasi obvtownie quasi scummy

That would be the dumbest move ever if I was scum

-bit

Would it though?

[Oversoul]

GDGW/Bitmap, why are you still gunning for my head?

[Oversoul]

OS because Bitmap wants him dead.
Vople because while I townread his posts on surface I just can't get rid of this tingly feeling I get.

There’s legitimately no you’re not scum for this post, dude.

So much fencesitting to get that lynch today.

Nancy, I think you’re just flat out wrong about GDGW. Can you explain why you town lock them? Is this gonna be another SS-Oka situation?

[Oversoul]

literally fuck whoever is scum

[Oversoul]

I'm 99% sure I'm voting Oversoul

Dude this shit is triggerrrrrring me

You know I’m fucking town. I’m playing to my town meta to a fucking t and not to my scum meta at all. You are better than this. Unless you’re scum.

[Oversoul]

This is actually giving me anxiety. I have an important assignment due tonight so I will not be here tonight. Good bye

[Oversoul]

literally fuck whoever is scum

[Oversoul]

My brain says volpe
But my heart says Cici

[Oversoul]

I can’t focus. God. I just asked for one nightkill just one nightkill. Why can’t I have just this one thing

[Oversoul]

How do I make the dice tag work. Just gonna yolo this so I don’t need to devote brain power to it

[Oversoul]

There will be no words because I am town thank you. If there are words it will be with Shoshin for her replace out trust tell

[Oversoul]

Like logic dictates if I’m not dying then Volpe should be dead if Volpe town...

Heart dictates that RC should realistically never scum read me at this point in the game...

Is Volpe being a mastermind or is RC just bad? Hmm...

[Oversoul]

I’m so down to pause this game for until the weekend actually. I would very much like that

[Oversoul]

VOTE: pause

[Oversoul]

This game is really testing the strength of my moral character. Do I give into the spite/petty vote or not

[Oversoul]

You’re just tacking on reasons to vote me. If you’re gonna vote me do it. If volpe is scum then you just suck and it’s not sweat off my back. You’ve already made up your mind you want me dead despite thinking I am town or at least acting like I’m town for the majority of the game. I don’t really care if you think my self pity posts are fake.

[Oversoul]

I wish this could be like that moment in Harry Potter when all his dead loved ones come back from the dead and repel Voldemort

Where my dead townie souls at. Give me guidance. Put it into the universe

[Oversoul]

How has my slot behaved terribly? Your slot literally cost us not baton killing SS when I had his ass dead to rights.

[Oversoul]

You think you have done no wrong but that is very far from the truth

[Oversoul]

When have I shat on your reads. Please quote me shitting on a read that isn’t on me. And yes I was being a dick on purpose earlier in the game as just general ribbing. I fully acknowledge you have better reads which is why I sheeped you on gp and wisdom (mainly wisdom cause Gameplay pitted and so did Kagami, but)

I think the only read I said was bad was the Oka one. Then I had Nancy literally using the words townlock on SS when I made my case against him after I performed the second coming of the Spanish Inquisition on him.

[Oversoul]

Like it’s fine if you want to separate yourself/your reads from Nancy

[Oversoul]

Ok. I get that you can’t call your own hydra partners reads bad but I can. So that’s what I’m saying.

[Oversoul]

I could totally see you heavy bussing knowing you won’t die because if te BP.

[Oversoul]

This day phase coincided with so much RL drama I just want it to be over.

[Oversoul]

Cici are you town. If you are scum I get one condition free carry in a future game.

[Oversoul]

Sorry town if this is wrong

VOTE: Volpe

[Oversoul]

Oh thank fucking god

[Oversoul]

Wow. Shoshin actually did a trust tell. Hollllyyyy shit.

[Oversoul]

SS’s comments and upsetness about Shphsins trust tell are because he thought he was unfairly winning. Hmmmm

[Oversoul]

Now that I personally know who is scum so much anxiety is off my chest and I have moved it to you Cici. I am sorry but also not sorry

[Oversoul]

I had it in my mind going into last night that if Volpe didn’t die then he had to be scum because he was more universally townread than me. I am weirded out that he didn’t kill me though. I would like to know that reason

[Oversoul]

Cici not gonna lie I was typing up a rage post and vote on you when you unvoted

[Oversoul]

Points for volpe:
He should have been the kill last night. I 100% would have kept Dann in the situation that I was scum because he hard townread me and also was skeptical of Cici. No way to I kill Dann.

[Oversoul]

Dude all 3 of me gdgw Dann thought volpe was the scum lol

More points for a Dann kill being getting rid of the person who scum reads him

I dunno. I trusted in the ethics of Shoshin. That was a mistake clearly. But at least I got it right in the end

[Oversoul]

Like Cici I’m not gonna lie I think you have like no bearing on my play if you think I’m scum here. I’m not the scum that goes for the power wolf move. I follow the path of least resistance every time. I set up my mislynches days in advance by calling them scum. I was scumreading Dann. If I was scum I wouldn’t have killed him because he town read me and also gives me an easy vote in LyLo.

[Oversoul]

Like you were the real obvious NK that didn't happen

It’s so weird when you (objective you, not you personally) state things that are going to happen or are true. But if you don’t let people come to that realization on their own they think your statement is like prophetic and therefore witchcraft that must be burned at the stake.

[Oversoul]

That’s why I think people get weirded out when I say objectively true things like I am town and I won’t be nightkilled. Because here we are. Where I have been town this entire game at some times more so than other times and I said scum wouldn’t kill me.

[Oversoul]

I just find it so odd that someone kept me around when I said I would never vote Cici and I meant that until cici derp voted me.

But maybe

Cici if you’re scum this is so incredibly bad manners

[Oversoul]

I’m going to appeal to reputation right now. Cici if you fuck this up and vote me I will trash your name to high heaven. I’ll find your ass on MU and make sure people know how much of a scrub you are

[Oversoul]

Fwiw I think right now the reason you didn't SR me was because I had you as more town than CC and you clearly tried to pivot on CC here even if you said you would never do that before

I guess you just saw I wasn't really buying much into the scum!CC argument?

Mmm love the speculation to try and shade me

[Oversoul]

Let’s look at all the people who townread me
Fb
Nacho
Sakura
Dann

Let’s look at the people who scumread me
GDGW
Cici
Volpe

Why the hell do I kill two people who town read me? Makes no sense

[Oversoul]

the reason you didn't NK me* I meant

but also if I remember right you did a 180º on CC yesterday when they were beginning to suspect you and said that scum HAD to be in Oka wagon before when I was the unique one not in the Oka wagon at that moment

so like

strategically buddying when you realized Nancy wasn't as locktown on you as I was?

idk I really feel like this game is lame now that you're confscum from my pov tbf

I think bussing is pretty stupid objectively. I wouldn’t have bussed in that situation because I have no confidence in my skills as scum and I would not want to solo scum against Cici or the other heavy hitters. My reasoning was wrong about that wagon but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong now.

[Oversoul]

I just find it so odd that someone kept me around when I said I would never vote Cici and I meant that until cici derp voted me.

But maybe

Cici if you’re scum this is so incredibly bad manners

You think CiCi can still be scum...?

I have ptsd from when FB didn’t hammer to win and we were scum together and he had the opportunity to hammer and very nearly got me killed instead

[Oversoul]

I don't keep score for Hydra games

You can trash me for this if you must if you're town

Volpe why does scum OS vote me here when I've already voted him

If you seriously vote me it’s unforgivable and you won’t ever deserve a Paragon nom :/

[Oversoul]

I’m just like quite frankly sick and tired of people calling my logic shit in game and in real life and it’s very damaging to my self esteem so either vote me and we can move on with our lives or do the right thing and vote volpe. The choice is literally yours. I’m not gonna case until the weekend if ever but I feel like I have made myself more than obvtown in ways that cannot be faked whereas Shoshin did hers threw a trust tell which could be faked.

[Oversoul]

Alright see you all on the weekend or post game whichever comes first

Bye for real

[Oversoul]

I get that I look like a crazy crack head right now but it’s because my anxiety is so high
I implore you to read just like one of my scum games and see the night and day differences between this game and that game. Olease

[Oversoul]

Im not gonna speculate on why Volpe chose this endgame but I will go through Shoshin and Volpe posts to point out why they are scum

[Oversoul]

Also me being a dick or rude is actually town indicative of me but that’s more a personality thing that I don’t think people pick up on

[Oversoul]

I actually am so not looking forward to having to work. Cici just bank onnuour original scumread and let’s go home and grab some beers. Much oreferable

[Oversoul]

You people are so fucking bad at this game.

[Oversoul]

Honestly RC I was going to nom you for Paragon but you’ve lost any credibility with me going forward. Good thing I’m quitting!

[Oversoul]

I love how people just wanted me to lose because I was using AtE. Thank you for the spite. I hope someone returns the favor to you all one day.

[Oversoul]

For those who wanted to know what I was warned about this game, I was warned about my threatening to replace out.

[Oversoul]

Do keep in mind

I led on every single scum that ever flipped

And faced intense resistance from town every time.

That’s fine argument to make but you also led on every single town lynch. Just because you led on every single lynch in the game doesn’t mean you were good. It just means you were on every single lynch.

You can only claim to have good taste for wagons if you actually have restraint with who you wagon. Otherwise, it’s pointless. Of course you’re gonna kill scum if you kill literally everyone but yourself.

[Oversoul]

Please don't let a loss get to your heart.

I'm not even mad.

This game is now officially a meme.

woulda been a better meme if i was scum and won

Fun fact: if you were scum and brought me to LyLo with RC I was gonna insta vote RC for Dann the Deep wolf facts. That would have been an immensely more fulfilling outcome than this game.

[Oversoul]

You can only claim to have good taste for wagons if you actually have restraint with who you wagon. Otherwise, it’s pointless. Of course you’re gonna kill scum if you kill literally everyone but yourself.

Mate

If I weren't around

SS never dies wisdom never dies and Shoshin gets baton all game.

I tried my best. I caught four scum D1.

Contrary to shitting on me.i think I kinda deserve a medal for this game.

SS definitely does without you. Wisdom also probably does without because Nacho would live forever and we wouldn’t burn through townies just because. We also win in LyLo because Nacho knows how to actually read people whereas you kinda just get lucky on who your first push is.

[Oversoul]

Sorry I mislynched the people I mislynched I guess.

SS definitely does without you. Wisdom also probably does without because Nacho would live forever and we wouldn’t burn through townies just because. We also win in LyLo because Nacho knows how to actually read people whereas you kinda just get lucky on who your first push is.

Yeah I sure was lucky that I called Shoshin/GP/Wisdom as scum together 30 pages into the game.

If you can’t close out games you’ll never be as good as Ellie or other paragons, hate to break it to you.

[Oversoul]

It’s funny to me how Shoshin has her only 2 scum wins against RC. If that isn’t poetic justice, I don’t know what is.

[Oversoul]

I would just like someone to actually case the reasoning for scumreading me other than... AtE. Which seems more like a policy lynch or personality clash than an actual scumread. Which fair I guess people are just bad and don’t know how to handle it, but

[Oversoul]

I think by virtue of you not winning she very much won. I hope this gets to her in Africa.

[Oversoul]

Literally every townie who got lynched used AtE or self pity. The scum just took it. Each and every single one.

[Oversoul]

I would just like someone to actually case the reasoning for scumreading me other than... AtE. Which seems more like a policy lynch or personality clash than an actual scumread. Which fair I guess people are just bad and don’t know how to handle it, but

Your scumread on me was baaaaaaaaad

It’s funny because my scumread on you was the same scumread I had for Shoshin. It made no sense that you both didn’t start voting yourselves but once you were townread thought it was a good idea. Looked opportunistic as fuck. At least I was half right.

[Oversoul]

When will people start believing me when I lay out every single aspect of my meta. People on this site do not respond well to truth. It’s kinda sad.

[Oversoul]

I would just like someone to actually case the reasoning for scumreading me other than... AtE

no no no

AtE was the reason I town read you

logically you were scum

I don’t get the logically component.

[Oversoul]

Then you should have relinquished the BP. There were plenty of non-me viable candidates for it. If you know yourself to be like that, then do it.

[Oversoul]

What is for the homies?

[Oversoul]

@OS your arguments often didn't make sense, seemed fabricated, or obviously came from nowhere, all of which are scum characteristics. It was very apparent you made up your scum reads on the fly, you were playing very defensively (like the only thing that really mattered was your own life, which in a single scum situation, is true), and let's not forget

your last post looked VERY SIMILAR to a "for the homies" post, which is plagiarism and also very scummy

You and I have very different metrics for scum tendencies I think.

[Oversoul]

Nacho TR both SS and Shoshin D1 when I scumread them.

Etc.

Just... this game wasn't meant to be.

Why did you lynch me? You never really explained your scumread on me and I think it was mostly because i was telling you what to think about me and you didn’t likenthe lack of control.

[Oversoul]

quoting this with the hope that rc was thinking the same thing I was:

======

I actually am so not looking forward to having to work. Cici just bank onnuour original scumread and let’s go home and grab some beers. Much oreferable

This doesn't look familiar at all.

Spoiler:

I know you know I'm town, cuz if you didn't think I was, you'd have shot me yesterday. Let's lynch RC and win this thing for the homies?

This^

I promise you that I don’t think you’re as important as you think I think you are.

[Oversoul]

Really the only one I feel bad about is Oka and that was again mainly due to the influence from the Cici slot. *sigh*

[Oversoul]

Really the only one I feel bad about is Oka and that was again mainly due to the influence from the Cici slot. *sigh*

I townread him too.

That’s nice. Nancy wanted his head though. Even after his wagon was the counterwagon to SS. Makes no sense.

[Oversoul]

I mean RC has now burned his ability to read Alchemist, Fush, and now me. So really he’s just like th rest of us. Grasping at shadows when it comes to reads. Such a tragic fall really. :\

[Oversoul]

Like I'm serious

You're criticizing my play

But how do I kill Shoshin D1 without being complete fucking cancer

You kill her slot in LyLo like any sane person.

[Oversoul]

Cardinal rule of lylo right?

And lol GDGW was the only AtE I actually townread
Sad they had to die

We townread them at the time and wanted them to live to lylo

I mean when the gamestate is such that the towniest 3 people don't wanna play the game then yeah it's set up for a loss

I wasn't following close enough to say what made it toxic but I could feel the frustration hardcore from the final 7

Self voting was bad but those 3 got SO close to turning themselves into a townbloc that just kinda
petered out

I really felt I had immense town cred from that too once Dann had flipped. But nope. Moon beams and shadows.

[Oversoul]

ANYWAY. I apologize for using the fbomb as much as I did. That was unwarranted. Good game Volpe!

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Shoshin

People scumleaning me literally have no idea to read me. Let me teach you.

Is Oversoul lurking?
If yes, scum.
If no, town.

This concludes our lesson.

Shoshin is conftown in my eyes.

Also Shoshin, congratulations on Peace Corps! That’s amazing.
I applied but I did not get in

Says the person blaming me for the loss when I was calling Shoshin scum btw.

Damn right. You didn’t vote her slot when it counted most. I don’t know why you’re trying so hard to defend a game you don’t care about when it’s not even going on your game record. hitoshrug

[Oversoul]

Love how RC is saying I was tied to that Shoshin read within the first 15% of the game. Newsflash this game was over 400 pages. I told my reasoning for the Shoshin read. Not lurking + trust tell. I’m sorry that I also fell for the trust tell bit that supplanted my activity read on her.

[Oversoul]

Legitimately RC I think the only one who was shat on was me. People wanted me to lose way more than people wanted you to lose.

[Oversoul]

I shat on you as a joke within the first like 500 posts of the game. You can calm down with that. And when you come at me with stupid reasons to think I’m scum later in the game of course I’m goong to shit on you when you present yourself across this site (and right now) as better than everyone else. When you obviously aren’t.

[Oversoul]

Hot take: INDEPENDENT OF SKILL, GDGW is most responsible for the ultimate outcome of the game due to premature self hammering
CC-slot is second most responsible literally because of lylo and *partially* contributing to a difficult to solve atmosphere
Volpe is third most

Volpe fooled us and Oversoul was hard to read.

Volpe played a fantastic game.

And don't get me wrong

OS meta townread was PRETTY FUCKING STRONG

but if he had given me something meaningful in lylo instead of lol I don't wanna effort then idk!

I asked for the weekend and you quick hammered me. Shit the hell up about effort. You caused me not to be able to give effort.

[Oversoul]

That’s ridiculous and borderline policy lynch worthy for both your slots.

[Oversoul]

LyLo literally lasted like 4 hours in the middle of a work day.

[Oversoul]

I have called Shoshin 100% lockscum on the first few pages of every single game she's been scum, ever. She's never been mislynched in a game where we were t-t.

You're arrogant and stupid if you think that your read on her, whatever it is, whatever your reasons, outweigh that, particularly when she has a staggering tendency to get townread for the most banal shit imaginable.

Idk

I read day one again

Every time I do I'm like

Yeah

You all can get fucked for not listening to me

I mean this is just like your 100% read on me and Alchemist right? Get out of here.

[Oversoul]

At this point your read rates mean nothing. You’re going to have to start backing things up now.

[Oversoul]

Alright then you’re never allowed to appeal to reputation based on your read rates if you yourself don’t even put stock into them.

What I find most interesting is that RC is very subtlety trying to shit on Nancy’s reads and influence in this post game and then Nancy comes in and says everything was equal. RC trying to play on both sides of the ball. I will day from the outside looking in it looked like Nancy had the worst of the wrong reads, but if they’re equal maybe RC is trying to downplay his own wrongness.

[Oversoul]

Like it kinda feels to me like you're trying to start shit between me and Nancy

You can think that but you’re wrong. Not that I expect you to be able to I terrier my posts or I tentions properly no guess this is just par for the course now

[Oversoul]

RC you need to play on hidden ales to show your proficiency (without being an asshole) and then no one will ever be able to question you again

[Oversoul]

What’s a king to a god

[Oversoul]

But what’s a god to a nonbeliever

[Oversoul]

I truested you to be able to read me and you failed me, i no longer have faith in you.

Quote of the game.

[Oversoul]

Its hard to gauge if this game was more toxic than Pine v. Slides. I’d probably say this game. Although if I was in a 27 player D1 I would probably suicide.

[Oversoul]

Slides = Alisae

[Oversoul]

What would happen if in 3P LyLo instead of the baton pass mechanic going away it stays. Does that change the EV, Kagami? I realize there is no real way to actually force a game to 3P LyLo organically (at least not that I thought of), but I imagine it improves the EV?

[Oversoul]

I miss it too. I wonder if the proliferation of automatic day chat has influenced how often scum wins on this site. I would say probably, but I cannot say how much.

[Oversoul]

Oh yeah, Nancy, how about that is English your second language scumtell?