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PolicyIn post 44, Saladman27 wrote:Wimpy, why?- Wimpy
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No but I’m not really into rvs voting, rvs was basically over, and I honestly can’t work with anyone who thinks it’s ok to self vote so I figured that’s the best place for it.In post 50, profii wrote:You're not another one of these people that wont scum hunt on day 1 are you ?
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We don’t have any scum yet and there’s multiple people already rubbing me the wrong way which is going to make working together difficultIn post 60, Saudade wrote:
We already have one scum why u say thisIn post 58, Wimpy wrote:This is going to be a long game.- Wimpy
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Why are you trying to put words into my mouth?In post 66, profii wrote:If RVS is "basically over" that means we are doing serious votes
You are voting Vortuka for policy - lynch self voters - which means you dont find him scummy, you just can't work with him - this wouldnt usually be a serious vote, more of just an RVS reaction test that doesn't acheive anything in the long run
Why are you trying to change how I’m playing?
I do think self votes are scummy hence the policy. You don’t establish a policy lynch policy over things you don’t think are scummy.
If you don’t like my vote, vote me. If you think I should vote somebody else, convince me.- Wimpy
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You can’t say I won’t budge or not. And insulting me isn’t appreciated. Please don’t do it again.In post 68, Vorkuta wrote:@profi
It's all valid, but he won't budge, so why bother. Call him our VI and move down the roster.
@wimpy
Have you seen his 'i quickhammer @l1 k' shit and do you think it comes from town?
I have seen town say that before. So it’s nai.
Nobody has done anything AI yet. It’ll take pages and pages to get an accurate read and even then otcan be wrong. At this point a bunch of gorillas pounding their chests is all I see so far.
I do actually have a gut ping on somebody but it’s too early to show my hand.- Wimpy
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What I said was fact. What you said is an insult.In post 72, Vorkuta wrote:Sorry- I thought we opened the floor to colorful language so I responded in kind.
As pointed out there is a rule against playing against your win condition and self voting is playing against your win condition.- Wimpy
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You haven’t provided useful discussion though. You’ve also made it impossible for me to accurately read at least one player.In post 72, Vorkuta wrote:In post #6? When it generated such useful discussion and a potential read on a player?
Do better
I’d say if you are town you’ve done more harm than good. It’s awesome if you gained something but if you’re town you’ve alienated one of your teammates. Somebody who you may need as an ally at some point.- Wimpy
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actually there is a game rule that supports what I said IS a fact.
This exchange has produced nothing useful at all. The only thing it has done is annoyed me even more than I already am and I still don't know if you are town or scum.
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I am angsty by nature. anxiety sucks assIn post 84, Elements wrote:yo wimpy, why you so angsty? Take a chill pill my dude.
VOTE: Elements
It's not counter win condition to vote yourself at this stage. There are no wagons, there's no possibility to be lynched from it. It generated discussion which is pro town. I think you should
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In post 85, Elements wrote:I think you should vote yourself. It's very liberating.- Wimpy
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too many to countIn post 90, Saudade wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmm how many games have you played so farIn post 83, Wimpy wrote:why do people think quick hammers are bad? Like why is wake getting shit for that statement?- Wimpy
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I mean like if wake actually quick hammered somebody and we were having this discussion day 2 that would be something else but just cause somebody says they will doesn't mean they actually will.
The difference between what i am doing vs the people voting wake is I am not trying to pretend my vote is something more than it actually is. The votes on Wake are clearly policy votes. Just because you say you think he is scum doesn't mean he actually is and his stance on quick hammers doesn't confirm his alignment.
Can people at least be honest with what they are doing? Hiding your intentions makes me trust you less.- Wimpy
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huh? Who said anything about lying?In post 102, Elements wrote:answered your question, so does that mean I lied?!- Wimpy
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so according to you, I am not allowed to accuse you of playing against your win condition because self voting in rvs doesn't mean you will self vote to end the day
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You have issues with wake saying he will do something but have no idea if he actually will?
seems a bit hypocritical to me- Wimpy
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idk how you got that from what I saidIn post 110, Elements wrote:So you're saying we shouldn't vote our scum reads?- Wimpy
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I think you are reaching too hard here.In post 114, Elements wrote:You said you don't like the votes on wake because they're policy votes. So you don't think they should be voting wake. They say they scum read wake. Ergo you don't think they should be voting their scum read.
Wake's statement, if he actually goes through with it is anti-town. Him making that statement doesn't make him scum and I don't believe anyone legit scum reads wake based on that statement alone.- Wimpy
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I don't think people need to ignore me but we should definitely stop talking about policy lynch voting.In post 116, Saudade wrote:Just ignore wimpy you are not going anywhere with this- Wimpy
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noted, I don't agree that I am wrong though. glad we had this talk. it's been really productive...In post 126, profii wrote:I think you are wrong- Wimpy
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This basically what I was trying to sayIn post 128, alimdia wrote:wake88: statement is null- Wimpy
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Nobody said it was, so what is the point of making this statement?In post 135, Zote the Mighty wrote:is not a scum tell, especially during RVS- Wimpy
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you clearly don't know what policy lynching meansIn post 140, Zote the Mighty wrote:Even still, it was clearly a joke vote and you seemed eager to take opportunity of that.
PEDIT: No
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why? I don't see how you make that connectionIn post 142, profii wrote:If wake flips town the Zote could be scum here- Wimpy
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In post 145, profii wrote:Let's assume a realistic probability that me and Saudade haven't caught scum within like the first page or 2..
like I said earlier...In post 71, Wimpy wrote:At this point a bunch of gorillas pounding their chests is all I see so far.
Do you have an actual reason to scum read wake? I mean a good one?
Anyone who says that statement he made makes him scum loses credibitly so let's drop that nonsense already and get to legit scum hunting.- Wimpy
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no it doesn't.In post 148, Zote the Mighty wrote:alimdia's question was worded in a such a way that it seemed like it was in defense of it.
if somebody says "I have seen this before and it came from scum"
the very logical question to follow up that statement is
"Have you ever seen town do it"
Don't you want to know if saudade and profli have ever seen town do that? if no why not? you should imo- Wimpy
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I don't really think him saying he won't self hammer is Ai either though. Town shouldn't ever self hammerIn post 150, profii wrote:That was also page 1, so still the best thing to push at the time. If he had said he would self hammer, I would have been like "hes just making a point, he accepts that even in his death town, including him can still win, thats cool"
But by saying he wouldnt do it, it makes me think "scum can't really make that sacrafice, obviously they are the minority and suiciding yourself on day 1 would be nuts" this guy is scared to die and those reasons make sense so lets have a look at him...- Wimpy
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so wait. You are saying you seriously scum read wake for that statement? like seriously?In post 150, profii wrote:but if you dont go whole hog at your scum reads how do you get people to trip over themselves and give the game away for us to catch them?- Wimpy
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please answer profiliIn post 152, Wimpy wrote:
so wait. You are saying you seriously scum read wake for that statement? like seriously?In post 150, profii wrote:but if you dont go whole hog at your scum reads how do you get people to trip over themselves and give the game away for us to catch them?- Wimpy
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you have also encountered it to be town twice before.In post 132, profii wrote:
question does not make sense - we are looking at a solitary person making a statement on their own and I've encountered it to be a scum thing before... there isn't anyone else for it to be VsIn post 130, alimdia wrote:
Umm how many times has someone said the exact same line but turned out to be town vs scum?In post 49, profii wrote:
This is also why I am voting - I caught someone saying the exact same line.In post 25, Saudade wrote: Wanna guess what other person I know said the exact same line he did and turned out to be scum?
@Saudade, answer this q as well please.
so how do you determine scum or town saying it?
p.edit - ok great. that makes things more interesting. Thank you wake
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blindly believing a mason claim and self voting makes you lose credibility but that hasn't stopped youIn post 162, Vorkuta wrote:Questions like these really make you lose credibility in my eyes- Wimpy
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kind of hypocritical don't you think? You haven't provided any useful content.In post 163, Vorkuta wrote:His contributions have been of the highest quality.- Wimpy
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For those playing at home, Here are the two games where town player says the same thing as wake,
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I really need to hear a GOOD explanation from profli as to why he is so quick to scum read wake for it when he has seen town do it twice and thus making it null as alidade and myself have pointed out.- Wimpy
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But town does it also.In post 169, Saudade wrote:in my experience only I have said it and I rolled scum that game.
so one to zero
That makes the action null.
What else besides that do you have to scum read wake? You should have something better.- Wimpy
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Why do you town read him?In post 170, Vorkuta wrote:His claim is not why I townread him- Wimpy
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That’s a very narrow minded way to play.In post 172, Saudade wrote:That's not my experience, no.
Plus I just provided examples so while that doesn’t tie into your personal experience, it’s Information you should consider if you are town and genuinely trying to find scum.- Wimpy
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I haven’t seen anyone make the argument that he only makes that comment as scum.In post 173, Elements wrote:this don't mean jack shit if wake only says it as scum. you should be checking his game for when he's said it.
I don’t need to check his games to know the statement is null regardless who says it.
The burden of proof is on whoever is bold enough to claim wake only says that as scum.
I’ve proven my argument that it’s null because town say it also.
Those who say wake is scum now how to prove their argument and I don’t think they can- Wimpy
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Tbh if you are actually town this game you need to learn how to play not me.In post 177, Saudade wrote:And no I'm not going to teach you how to play the game, that's what newbie games are for- Wimpy
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Yes. Everything he’s posted is null.In post 182, Saudade wrote:Why should I have something better? have you read his posts?
Others have posted scummier things but you’ve ignored those.- Wimpy
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In post 186, Saudade wrote:I am mason
So say you want to policy lynch him. Why hide that?In post 189, Saudade wrote:Suppose its null, he still havent expressed ANY intention to game solve, that alone is good enough for a viable wagon.- Wimpy
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Where is this proof?In post 194, Vorkuta wrote:Which we've already demonstrated and you've only *handwaved* away
I haven’t seen anyone prove that wake only says that as scum. Show me and I’ll drop it- Wimpy
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so it's bad for me but it's ok for saudade and profli to cherry pick? how does that work exactly?In post 194, Vorkuta wrote:You've cherrypicked and found yourself a statistically irrelevant sample size
do you not read context?In post 204, Vorkuta wrote:
Oh we've also moved the goalposts while we were at it.In post 202, Wimpy wrote:wake only says that as scum
My bad
i didn't move the goal posts. Elements did.
This is where elements has introduced wake only does this as scum. He says I should be the one checking it but why? I am not the one making the argument that wake is scum.In post 173, Elements wrote:this don't mean jack shit if wake only says it as scum. you should be checking his game for when he's said it
You accuse me of cherry picking but that is basically what you just did in post 204.- Wimpy
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Let's play out the conversation in context shall we?
In post 173, Elements wrote:this don't mean jack shit if wake only says it as scum. you should be checking his game for when he's said it.In post 187, Wimpy wrote:I haven’t seen anyone make the argument that he only makes that comment as scum.
I don’t need to check his games to know the statement is null regardless who says it.
The burden of proof is on whoever is bold enough to claim wake only says that as scum.In post 194, Vorkuta wrote:In post 187, Wimpy wrote:
The burden of proof is on
Which we've already demonstrated and you've only *handwaved* awayIn post 202, Wimpy wrote:
Where is this proof?In post 194, Vorkuta wrote:Which we've already demonstrated and you've only *handwaved* away
I haven’t seen anyone prove that wake only says that as scum. Show me and I’ll drop itIn post 204, Vorkuta wrote:
Oh we've also moved the goalposts while we were at it.In post 202, Wimpy wrote:wake only says that as scum
My bad
So vork
Elements brought up wake only doing it as scum
I said nobody made that claim that he only does as scum. If somebody wants to make that claim, they have to prove it
You said somebody already has proved it
I asked where
you then accuse me of moving the goal posts.
You are the one who interjected yourself into the conversation between myself and elements and then you try to twist my words.
I didn't move any goal posts as you claim. I haven't cherry picked anything either.
All I am doing is trying to show what I have already said. The statement is null. I don't know why people want to argue about it. If people want to policy lynch wake for his opinion, that's fine go right ahead but don't pretend that it is alignment indicative because it isn't.- Wimpy
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but i'm not though. I have never once said wake is scum for his entryIn post 213, Elements wrote:you're the one involved in this argument not me- Wimpy
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and you did put yourself into that argument when you said this.In post 173, Elements wrote:this don't mean jack shit if wake only says it as scum. you should be checking his game for when he's said it.- Wimpy
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So here is where I stand in a nut shell and I will take a break. I really play this game to have fun, not argue and I feel like people are picking fights with me for trying to keep town on the right track.
My opinions
1. Wake's statement is null. We can't possibly tell wake's alignment is by him making it.
2. Just cause Saudade and Profli have seen scum do this in other games, doesn't mean everyone who does it is automatically scum
3. Saudade and profli both look bad for hard pushing something null, but given profli has two games where somebody as town did something similar and he is arguing wake is scum, makes me think profli is probably scum
4. Saudae - you can claim god of the universe, this doesn't mean that you actually are. Your mason claim doesn't do anything for me. I don't typically believe claims at face value. I need to look at the play and right now i don't see anything that demonstrates you as clear town
5. Vork - I have him as a scum lean. He seems like he wants to start arguments with me. He is also very hypocritical in his arguments. accusing me of stuff but not others who have done the same thing. Accusing me of cherry picking when his cherry picking argument is actually him cherry picking
6. Elements - I don't really like how he added in something new "wake only saying this as scum" but expects me to verify that. I actually did "search" wake's games and besides an ongoing one I can't really find an example of him making that statement. I use "search" because all I did was click his posts and type the word hammer. That is about as far as I am willing to go because to me the statement is telling of anyone's alignment
My lynch pool in order is
Profli, vork, elements, saudae
I actually think saudade is probably town and profli piled on in an attempt to buddy.
I won't be arguing anymore. It really fucks with my anxiety and makes the game not fun and I play to have fun.
It's lunch time and I have some work to do this afternoon so i will use this as a way to cool down.
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