Death Note: I’ll Be The One Writing Your Name

[Evenstar]

Okay, all these mechanics posts are bullshit. Flavour is

absolutely

indicative.

For example, I'm Ryuk, but because I'm a Shinigami my name can't be written in the death note, and therefore I cannot flip. Observe:

FLIP ME RYUK

And for good measure:

FLIP ME LIGHT YAGAMI

FLIP ME L LAWLIET

FLIP ME MISA AMANE

FLIP ME REM

FLIP ME NEAR

FLIP ME MELLO

FLIP ME WATARI

FLIP ME TOUTA MATSUDA

FLIP ME SOICHIRO YAGAMI

FLIP ME RAYE PENBER

FLIP ME TERU MIKAMI

FLIP ME SHUICHI AIZAWA

FLIP ME KANZO MOGI

FLIP ME HIDEKI IDE

FLIP ME HIROKAZU UKITA

FLIP ME MATT

FLIP ME BEYOND BIRTHDAY

FLIP ME NAOMI MISORA

FLIP ME AIBER

FLIP ME WEDY

Blah blah freaking blah you get it. Either I can't flip or I'm a ridicuously small bit part. Feel free to request more FLIP MEs from me if you want.

Claiming this now because the role is essentially a Miller in this setup.

[Evenstar]

Nay. Other than my inability to flip I'm vanilla.

[Evenstar]

Okay, so.

1: I'm not lynchproof.
2: I'm not even certain I'm NK-proof. It'll be fun to see whether I die in the night.
3: Either way, it was worth getting the inevitable wagon out of the way, since I tend to attract attention and saying "sorry I can't flip" when I was already close to being hammered would be bad. I'm not gonna repeat Magical Girls Mafia and get lynched as a miller D1.
4: Flavour is not randomized, powers fit the character.
5: Flavour might also be AI, for reasons.

[Evenstar]

Kira can only kill people who are flipped. If there's a Vigilante I assume you can get shot but otherwise the scum team can't kill you.

And I don't get how being a bulletproof makes you a Miller?

Being unable to confirm my damn role - unlike most people - makes me a miller. I am inherently less trustable than other players because less information about me is mechanically confirmable.

[Evenstar]

Kira can only kill people who are flipped. If there's a Vigilante I assume you can get shot but otherwise the scum team can't kill you.

And I don't get how being a bulletproof makes you a Miller?

I was under the impression that getting the player's role name right was sufficient.

[Evenstar]

Oh for crying out loud. At the barest mention of anything vaguely BP-like, everyone inevitably goes "SK! SK!"

No. Hard claim not a killing role. Look elsewhere.

[Evenstar]

Sorry, my neighbour(s) is/are being a pain in the ass about my claim, and it's making me crabby. You didn't deserve that kind of reaction.

[Evenstar]

I'd say it's missing Kiyomi Takada and Kyosuke Higuchi.

Eva you should do this

nice my hood pal is town~!

FLIP ME KIYOMI TAKADA
FLIP ME KYOSUKE HIGUCHI

Good thought, but no, I am neither of these people.

[Evenstar]

Chara and Mord are getting a free pass for bad reasons right now.

VOTE: Mord

Also, y'all are leaking like leaky things. Like three different people are softing Mikami/Misa each. Stop that. Get more original falseclaims.

[Evenstar]

The three Misas in particular should get their claims in order: I'm fairly sure at least one of you is falseclaiming scum.

[Evenstar]

The three Misas in particular should get their claims in order: I'm fairly sure at least one of you is falseclaiming scum.

First of all, claimhunting is bad.

Second of all, locking in claims is bad.

Third of all, :thorface:

~Rockso

You in particular have absolutely zero credibility on this.

[Evenstar]

You in particular have absolutely zero credibility on this.

Why?

~Rockso

Do you

really

want me to answer that question?

[Evenstar]

I mean...

If I say that we haven't made any posts related to our flavor does that change your stance?

~Rockso

Not really, no. You're still benefitting.

[Evenstar]

i think the rest of your iso is townier and the rest of a50's is scummier - this exchange has been kinda confusing

You know what? I've had it with people shading/suspecting me just because, and

especially so

when you have the guts to call me scummier than Vecna.

I thus have decided this (and not particularly in this game): If I'm EVER brought to L-1, I will self!hammer.. with no claim.. and if -by any chance- I'm an investigative; I'm not claiming my results. In fact, if I have ANY information (like if I was informed, if I was a Vig who shot someone, if I somehow learn I had saved someone from a kill.. etc) I will keep it to myself. You can treat me as an eternal VT in all the games I roll town. (This will also help my scum game a great deal, since I won't have to fake claim at all).

Now go take a swim in the pool, ducky.

Yeah, I'll just go ahead and call this bluff.

VOTE: Almost50

[Evenstar]

eva have i told you today that i love you?

I mean, you have

now.

[Evenstar]

<3

[Evenstar]

Wooper is >>rand not scum due to interactions we've had in our neighbourhood, IMO. I could be wrong, but he's gone out on a limb to be cooperative and helpful. I'm never lynching him today.

[Evenstar]

Well show us some of thise interactions then. We can't just take yiur word for it.

Ha ha no.

[Evenstar]

Wooper is >>rand not scum due to interactions we've had in our neighbourhood, IMO. I could be wrong, but he's gone out on a limb to be cooperative and helpful. I'm never lynching him today.

neighbourhood interactions are a lot easier to manipulate as scum than thread ones. if wooper can be cooperative and helpful in the hood, he can be that way in the thread too!
that's my neighbourhood rule, i always value it less than the thread.

If wooper was being helpful in a way they could do in thread, I'd have quoted it in the thread.

Wooper is >>rand not scum due to interactions we've had in our neighbourhood, IMO. I could be wrong, but he's gone out on a limb to be cooperative and helpful. I'm never lynching him today.

Scumslip? Youre not in our neighbourhood

Wooper is in two neighbourhoods. We could in fact pass notes if you trust them as an intermediary.

[Evenstar]

Even, we've been disagreeing consistently from the start, why are Mord and i coasting? or however you'e like to phrase it.

My logic here is extremely role-based. Given that people are already going "that's baaaad" for my confirming that wooper was in two hoods in response to a direct question, I'm not really in a hurry to share more info that has to do with my conjectured gamesolve.

[Evenstar]

Meganium was my first level 100 pokemon

don't diss chickorita

[Evenstar]

Meganium was my first level 100 pokemon

How do you remember that? Holy fuck.

Becausd it was a pain in the ass to get her all the way there

so many rare candies

so many

[Evenstar]

this game sure got fluffy all of a sudden

[Evenstar]

Even, we've been disagreeing consistently from the start, why are Mord and i coasting? or however you'e like to phrase it.

My logic here is extremely role-based. Given that people are already going "that's baaaad" for my confirming that wooper was in two hoods in response to a direct question, I'm not really in a hurry to share more info that has to do with my conjectured gamesolve.

is there any info you'd like to share? opinions? i thought i was asking about scumreads here, not roles. nothing gets done if you don't sell your opinion.

At least one of you, Chara and RCE is scum. RCE is already seeing some pressure. Thought I'd balance things out, especially given the givens.

[Evenstar]

I am very tempted to just release my attempted full role solve at this point and let the chips fall where they may, but that would be discourteous to just about everybody so I won't.

Wooper: Honestly, make your own decisions. I'm not your nursemaid.

VOTE: Mordhaus

[Evenstar]

Shinigami can't take the shinigami eye deal, for obvious reasons.

[Evenstar]

>shinigami not HAVING shinigami eyes *smh*

IKR

[Evenstar]

You can use it to confirm claims, which is valuable regardless of alignment. Honestly, I'd take a Hated modifier for a flavourcop any day.

Just as a reminder:
- Shinigami Eyes report the name and lifespan of whoever you read with them.
- Shinigami cannot have their names and lifespans read.
- Death Note users cannot have their names and lifespans read.

[Evenstar]

Flipping requires you to out your role to everyone, including the scum. If you are for example a doctor, shinigami eyes might be worth it to let you try and find good targets to protect.

Treating everyone who claims to have made the eye deal as scum is a bad plan, IMO.

I wouldn't be super surprised if you'd advised Wooper to take the deal in your neighbourhood and now you're making a big deal out of "taking the deal means you're scum" as a way to distract.

Keep in mind though - if you're town and decide to take the deal, you should NOT be sharing eye results with anyone else. Remember how Light exploited Misa for her eyes? Yeah, don't be Misa.

[Evenstar]

*specifically, sharing your results in secret is very bad. Under some circumstances, it might be worth sharing them with the general public. "Someone is claiming to be a shinigami but you can see their name and lifespan" might be a good example, since it doesn't need you to actually share the name in order to provide useful info. Similarly, "I can't see X's name and lifespan but they claim to be a human."

[Evenstar]

Eva's claim is legit

Legit, as in she's Ryuk?

Or as in she cannot be flipped?

Also, why would you check some who said they cannot be revealed anyway?

Why are you asking this question?

[Evenstar]

Because I want to understand his statement?? Why WOULDN'T I ask this question?

Because it's blatant rolefishing?

[Evenstar]

So in essence, since I'll basically full claim to make it SUPER clear that this time I gotta be truthful.

I will never flip willingingly, since my FLIP activates millers and Godfathers as an Enabler, but upon my DEATH, they go inert again. So if scum flip me somehow, they gotta leave me alive for the benefits.

So what you're saying is that once you flip we have to lynch you?

[Evenstar]

So in essence, since I'll basically full claim to make it SUPER clear that this time I gotta be truthful.

I will never flip willingingly, since my FLIP activates millers and Godfathers as an Enabler, but upon my DEATH, they go inert again. So if scum flip me somehow, they gotta leave me alive for the benefits.

So what you're saying is that once you flip we have to lynch you?

I'd... Prefer you to not make scum flip me for an easy mislynch?

Like, that's literally the worst case scenario since if scum flip me you'd KNOW I'm town but you lynch me anyway.

... did you literally never think of the possibility that scum might be able to force you to flip using a power?

[Evenstar]

I’m serious about policy lynching anyone else who claims to have rolecopped ANYONE who has publicly flavorclaimed, btw.

I rolecopped myself, does that count?

[Evenstar]

Well 2 people did that with Even cuz they said they couldn't flip.

Oh yeah, Chemist can you confirm their role for us?

If my role is working as I expect it to, they ought to have gotten a "no result." If they

didn't

, then I might be vulnerable to NK. Why are you trying to get me killed?

[Evenstar]

1vAll us bro. No worries.

Like half the thread has softed already. We might as well get people to outright

state

their falseclaims.

Still very tempted to just drop my rolesolve attempt into the thread and have done with all this bull.

[Evenstar]

Anyone softing their flavor is a dipshit since that's only for scum to kill them. Softing your role is reasonable, I guess.

i'm a little curious as to what Even thinks i've softed, if anything.

talking about perfect environments, i rather enjoy this environment where scum cannot kill freely.

Would you like me to state my read out loud for the thread?

[Evenstar]

No. Even speculating about other people's potential flavorsofts is giving scum access to information they don't necessarily have.

Don't talk about flavors that may or may not exist. Don't draw attention to flavor softs. Don't hunt flavor softs. Don't believe flavor softs.

All of that should be elementary. I'm super interested in what you think we've softed, too, but you continuing to talk about it just increases the likelihood that scum picks up on whatever you think you see on the off chance that whatever you see isn't. It can't help town, it theoretically could help scum, and it's a distraction from actually playing the game. If you want to brag in the postgame, PM your list to Morality as a bragging rights thing, but STOP BRINGING IT UP.

I'm not the one who brought it up, Mordhaus.

[Evenstar]

... Man, these wagons sure are volatile.

[Evenstar]

Would you rather we wagon you, "can't flip"?

Is there a

reason

why there isn't a vote in this post?

[Evenstar]

Cuz Mikan/Alisae went after me and look how that worked out.

...

VOTE: Bambi Jay

[Evenstar]

Eh, sure. I have no strong reason not to lynch Misa.

VOTE: Misa

[Evenstar]

I got RadiantCowbells vibes.

[Evenstar]

Re: Bambi: Their attitude is a bad strategy and ought to be policy lynched, but the claim makes me think "probably town".

And as said, I have little reason not to lynch Misa. Part of me is actually hoping they flip town just so I can yell at Bambi for it, tbqh.

[Evenstar]

Still exist. Misa is confirmed non-eyebearer at this point? I'm too lazy to hand-tally votes.

[Evenstar]

lol, both gimmick alts getting replaced

fun times

@Mizzytastic: Show me something worth engaging with, seriously.

(Oh wait, you just produced a whole fucking wall of catchup for me)

(Sweet)

(now I have to do work)

(Good news/bad news situation here folks)

[Evenstar]

Hi creature
What a surprise to see you

[Evenstar]

VOTE: Bambi Jay

I'm pretty sure I'm already voting this but I would like to register that I'm voting it even harder than I was.

[Evenstar]

Woop is town.

[Evenstar]

There's also mechanics that can force at least two of us to flavorclaim without choosing to.

It's not like I fucking claimed it outright on Page 1 or anything.

Damn it I was reading you and Chara as Watari and L with the same setup, if Watari dies L flips

[Evenstar]

ugh

[Evenstar]

My picture of the game right now:
1: Bambi is obvious scum.
2: Wooper did in fact lose access to our hood. He knew this would happen, and is barred from talking about it publicly on pain of modkill. He's been replaced by another player.
3: There was no death last night.

Conclusion:
Either Wooper just pulled a great gambit, or scum didn't have a death note last night.

Pretty sure it's option 2 and Wooper is just town.

[Evenstar]

The selection of which player to add to our hood is a further indicator that Wooper Town.

[Evenstar]

I want more flips today, given that I think town has control of the death note(s) at the moment.

[Evenstar]

Creature is scum. Mizzy is super likely town given he shot scum, but is badly misreading vork. I think given both the flavour and the mechanics that a protective is insanely unlikely; I can buy a roleblocker though.

[Evenstar]

I want more flips today, given that I think town has control of the death note(s) at the moment.

Who do you suggest that should flip?

I want to see RCE and Bambi flip rn.

[Evenstar]

Would not mind a Creature or LUV flip either.

[Evenstar]

Nope, not fucking with you.

Wooper, you probably shouldn't acknowledge this, but JSYK the person you passed your Note to says "thanks."

[Evenstar]

Bambi is forced to flip as a result.

HA

Mello and Near I take it?

[Evenstar]

Flip:Mello

In the next few posts I only want to see shotgun readlists.

Mizzytastic
Bambi Jay

Almost50

Creature

Lil Uzi Vert

Vecna

Ryuk
Vorkuta

Chara

RCEnigma

Evenstar

Wooper

Chemist1442 (Mikan)

I have absolutely no clue why you have me and Bambi backwards. What do you know that I don't?

[Evenstar]

Who did Creature and Chemist replace again, respectively?

[Evenstar]

Bambi is forced to flip as a result.

So Mord was right about Bambi's identity and that's another kill that didn't happen? I am just seriously confused about how we got no kills here. And now we are talking about Notes as a seperate thing from the idea of a factional kill..?

Even, is your read on Vork based on some knowledge about how Death Note kills work in this game? I was hoping that with my flip + mechanics and Naomi being flipped Kira it would help pull him more into the game but D2 has definitely been lackluster from him so far so I'm more open to him being scum.

Creature having no read on me at all is wtf to me. Even if you decide I was pulling some crazy gambit as scum/3rd party I feel like you should have some thoughts on me after my flip.

pedit: Creature replaced Misa. Chemist replaced Mikan.

Wooper claimed to have randed a Death Note in our neighbourhood D1. I chose not to out it because it would almost certainly have gotten him lynched and I had a strong townread on him. He's now passed that Death Note to another player, who joined the neighbourhood as a result. In doing so, he lost all his memories of having the Death Note, IE "being in our neighbourhood." If he talks about it too openly he may be modkilled, or at least he claims so.

Given that my neighbourhood is still composed of two shinigami and a death note user, I'm inclined to believe Wooper was telling the absolute truth and Death Notes are passed from player to player in this game like the most deranged game of musical chairs ever.

Vork is my fellow shinigami, shares a neighbourhood with me, and claimed simultaneously to me in that neighbourhood. I believe his claim, and think the chance of him being part of Kira is damn near nil.

[Evenstar]

Creature is scum

You mean Chemist?

You replaced Ryuk?

[Evenstar]

Creature replaced Misa...

You replaced Ryuk, then?

Yeah, creature scum.

[Evenstar]

Okay thank you

sorry, I kinda tuned out the last half of yesterday because it felt like evrybody was going in circles

[Evenstar]

Was it A50 that took Wooper's place in the shinigani hood?

No. You get zero more guesses.

[Evenstar]

Ooooh, that was probably that thing they call sarcasm

No, that's A50 being a giant troll as usual.

[Evenstar]

So... My hydra buddy hasn't checked in much yet, but I think I'm happy with a towncore of

{Chara, Evenstar, Mizzy, B Jay}

Weird towncore

Would say scum in it

if there is one it's Bambi

[Evenstar]

i remember liking eva but i can't like fully remember why i liked her outside of the fact she is awesome

It was the thing with the stuff, yeah.

[Evenstar]

Wooper is >>rand not scum due to interactions we've had in our neighbourhood, IMO. I could be wrong, but he's gone out on a limb to be cooperative and helpful. I'm never lynching him today.

Scumslip? Youre not in our neighbourhood

Wooper is in two neighbourhoods. We could in fact pass notes if you trust them as an intermediary.

Yes or no. Is this a lie?

No.

Wooper was in two neighbourhoods when they made that post.

I dunno how many they're in now.

[Evenstar]

Stop trying to get the adorable pokemon modkilled, Bambi.

[Evenstar]

YEAH. THE MORDWAGONS. THE KEY TO EVERYTHING. OFCOURSE.

But.....also.......yuk......wagonanalysis. No ty. eeeew.

(but then again, it did work for me when I saw MORD doing the fake distance-whiteknight on misa)

votal wagonomics is an important and useful tool

no dissing the wagonomics

[Evenstar]

In fact,

VOTE: Vecna

[Evenstar]

The playerbase is just beginning to acknowledge their despair, we have a lynchpool of.... "3" people while some have gotten away without any scruitny whatsoever, and the biggest opponent to my massclaim (mord) is... dead and scum.
Come at me.

Who are you, Junko Enoshima? Stop grandstanding and play the damn game.

[Evenstar]

TrueSoulEnergy (Reye): Welcome to the game.

Town.

Creature: A little tame form the Creature I've encountered in the past.

Null

Lil Uzi Vert: I could see this go either way. On the wagon now because I like riding things with Bambi.

Scum.

Mizzytastic (Matsuda):

Town

for D1 actions.

Vecna: Mord wagon connection. Possible

Scum

.

Chemist1442: Should

flip

flavor today.

Almost50:

Town

. I wouldn't expect such a minimalist scum game from A50.

Bambi Jay: It's obvious but I'll say it:

Town

Vorkuta: ??? Leaning

town

. I need to re-ISO our little Vorky doodle poodle.

Evenstar: Was parked on Mord all D1 iirc, WIFOM, maybe.

Scum

.

Wooper: Town, I think. Yeah, I'll go with

Town

.

RCEnigma (Mello): Some want you dead some say you're full

town

. I'll null ya for now.

Chara:

Town

maybe

Scum

... But Chara's D2 content has me putting this slot back into the

Town

pool.

oh this is a bad, bad post

frankly don't see why others are still calling you town given the degree to which this readslist resembles a paper bag filled with hot air

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[Evenstar]

If I get someone Modkilled then I can cross that off my bucketlist later.

Also, can you explain why you think I'm scum to me? I noticed you said I could be scum too but I've focused mainly on gen 3 is shit over there.

You're scum because you're hard-SRing my hardest TR, aren't really playing the game so far as I can tell, have a terrible attitude, and your roleclaim is

hilariously

convenient at best and outright godawful at worst. It doesn't make

any goddamn sense

why

Near

would be

a Lyncher that enables Godfathers/Millers on flip

, (in and of itself an amazingly terribad role), and you haven't contradicted RCE or Mordhaus on being Near. In fact, Mord "outed" you in what must be the worst attempt at scumtheater I've seen in a very long time.

Either RCE and Mordhaus are scum together and are making the most hilariously bad attack on you I've ever seen in a mafia game, or you're just scum. The fact that you seem to know that there's an SK in this game for some reason makes me think you're just scum. ('Cause the obvious way you know that is that your scumteam is one member short.)

[Evenstar]

Look at you trying to be all contrarian after I just showed and convinced the rest of the game that im town. such a badass

You what?

*ISOs*

yep nope

also, why the fuck you scumreading me when we're agreeing that BrightEyed is a pufferfish?

[Evenstar]

If I get someone Modkilled then I can cross that off my bucketlist later.

Also, can you explain why you think I'm scum to me? I noticed you said I could be scum too but I've focused mainly on gen 3 is shit over there.

You're scum because you're hard-SRing my hardest TR, aren't really playing the game so far as I can tell, have a terrible attitude, and your roleclaim is

hilariously

convenient at best and outright godawful at worst. It doesn't make

any goddamn sense

why

Near

would be

a Lyncher that enables Godfathers/Millers on flip

, (in and of itself an amazingly terribad role), and you haven't contradicted RCE or Mordhaus on being Near. In fact, Mord "outed" you in what must be the worst attempt at scumtheater I've seen in a very long time.

Either RCE and Mordhaus are scum together and are making the most hilariously bad attack on you I've ever seen in a mafia game, or you're just scum. The fact that you seem to know that there's an SK in this game for some reason makes me think you're just scum. ('Cause the obvious way you know that is that your scumteam is one member short.)

tbqh I see little reason at all to not just vote this shit 'cause you can instantly clear yourself by flipping lol

or are you claiming Gelus now?

VOTE: Bambi Jay

[Evenstar]

Well the fact you believed the Lyncher part is weird. That was one of my weaker lies I said on the off chance Scum really did have a way to flip me.

I told the truth the first time I claimed, my lady. Still a Godfather/Miller Enabler. Never did I ever combine the 2 claims.

I was calling you on that being an obvious lie, ya dingus.

[Evenstar]

And of course Mord would out me to throw suspicion on me. I just claimed the lyncher thing so scum and town would be off my back but Enigma and Chara weren't buying it either, neither were some others.

So now I'm bored of that lie and am going back to telling the truth.

And Mord knew your role exactly 'cause he used his shinigami eyes on you? Guess that works. Still don't see why Near being alive and flipped makes the game suck for Town.

[Evenstar]

Also, if you flip and your role is legit we can lynch RCE for a 100% confirmed scum, p sure. He's got no reason to try and force your flip if you're samefaction, and your role makes zero sense as a scum role if it's legit.

[Evenstar]

Or are you worried that RCE will flip Town?

[Evenstar]

I'm still trying to believe if Mord thought I was legit a Lyncher because he DIDNT have a Godfather and believed I wasn't legit therefore also not town, or he was really trying to make it so I'd flip nonchalantly afterwards, Giving the GF their ability anyway.

We know the Miller probably would have claimed by now unless they also have something the Mod is forcing them to keep quiet about. So no Miller and No Godfather would make me... A red herring?

Weird times.

I think it makes you a liar.

[Evenstar]

You're scum because you're hard-SRing my hardest TR, aren't really playing the game so far as I can tell, have a terrible attitude, and your roleclaim is hilariously convenient at best and outright godawful at worst. It doesn't make any goddamn sense why Near would be a Lyncher that enables Godfathers/Millers on flip, (in and of itself an amazingly terribad role), and you haven't contradicted RCE or Mordhaus on being Near. In fact, Mord "outed" you in what must be the worst attempt at scumtheater I've seen in a very long time.

Well shit you sound like me now.

I've given up on having chemist flip cuz hood stuff. But I've very much made the deal with Bambi in order to flip them. Bambi's taken a hard stance on being Near, at least in the hood. I want to avoid taking the eye deal but like...it's not hard to confirm.

Honestly, if you can take the eye deal I see no reason not to in order to confirm a claim as squirrely as Bambi's. Especially if you're in a neighbourhood and can keep the result relatively private.

[Evenstar]

Obviously if Enigma is to be believed, my "curse" that happens if I flip has no benefit or drawback to anyone as the game doesn't have Godfathers or Millers... But I can't be sure Mord was telling the truth about no Godfather.

Enigma's role actually makes me believe even harder that a Godfather exists because in order for me to use his ability I gotta be flipped. It's a way to make me flip, but unlikes Reyes and Naomi I get the choice of flipping or not. Very in character for Near, honestly.

... LOL it's a detective subgame

You have to figure out whether a Godfather and/or Miller exist in order to determine whether it's worth it to flip for the power Mello's given you

aight I get what's up with the role now, go about your business

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[Evenstar]

lol fun times

[Evenstar]

Well, thread sure has died

let's try VOTE: Creature

[Evenstar]

I think I'm roughly where Bambi was when she posted #1532

there is method to her madness but it's still pretty fricking mad

especially that last bit

[Evenstar]

VOTE: Creature

you're good people woops

[Evenstar]

So is creature still alive or not?

[Evenstar]

Also, I want more accountability from that damn shinigami hood. Its entirely possible those 2 shinigami's are the 3rd parties and just dont give a fuck about town.

What was discussed there? Why are you keeping it a secret whom was giving the deathnote? Why are you so certain it was town that had it and youre not just getting pocketed?

Wooper's tone and actions were both pretty good. His choice of pass target was also good. Handing off the death note is compulsive; this has been confirmed by the person he passed it to. As far as I can tell, he's Town. If there are two kills tonight I might re-evaluate that. Vork's already gone and blabbed that no new PT is created, so...

shrug.

Yeah, we're 3rd parties and don't really give a fuck about town. It's pretty inevitable that this'll get out in the long run, since we're going to get a new death note user every night and eventually it's going to be someone who won't play ball with us. Shrug.

We're keeping it secret who has the Death Note so that the scum can't target them for death/theft/whatever may exist. Say thank you. We don't

have

to townside like this, I just find it more fun to throw around theories and such.

Both of us can win as Survivors. We have other early-win conditions, but frankly there's not a ton of incentive to go for them since we're probably never dying. Morality's done a pretty good job at giving us that kind of detached not-super-into-it shinigami attitude where we're just sort of trying halfheartedly to avoid boredom/suspicion.

Some setup spec for everybody to have:
- It's become very clear that everybody's in a hood.
- Best of my knowledge, there are the following hoods:

Shinigami

Ryuk (Evenstar)
Rem (Vorkuta)
Current Death Note Holder (???)

Wammy's House

L (Chara)
Mello (RCEnigma)
Near (Bambi Jay)
BB/Watari (Chemist)
If the mysterious 5th lurking player really exists, then Creature is probably Watari and Chemist is just BB.

SPK?

The members of this one decided to keep it secret and have done so fairly well: I could be inaccurate.
There's been confused claims about lurkers/added members here as well.
Raye Penber (TrueSoulEnergy)
Naomi Misora (Mordhaus)
Matsuda (Mizzytastic)
Rester? (BrightEyedFish)
Near (Bambi Jay)

Killers?

This one I've also had to largely infer from partial information and softs.
Light Yagami (Wooper)
Teru Mikami/Misa Amane (Vecna)
Misa Amane/Teru Mikami (Almost50)

Added two players on D2, one of whom was Matsuda. Does this neighbourhood add any player responsible for a death?
D2, + Matsuda (Mizzytastic)
D2, + a second player (LilUziVert? Could be the scum killer?)

The following players are in hoods that I don't know the other members in for sure:

LilUziVert
Vecna's second 2-person hood
BrightEyedFish's second hood
Creature

I'd like you all to note that I have no access to anything other than my own Shinigami hood, so the fact that I have a good 75% of the game mapped

strongly

suggests the scum have the entire thing solved by now. If you have abilities on flip, it's probably better to flip than not.

[Evenstar]

Even

You’re Rem, not Ryuk

Why did you lie

'Cause I'm allergic to nightkills. Thanks for claiming this though, that makes you pretty much 100% town.

[Evenstar]

In case you didn't catch the implication, that makes Vorkuta Ryuk.

[Evenstar]

My flavor is really Soichiro

Why aren't you in a hood with Wooper then?

[Evenstar]

My flavor is really Soichiro

Why aren't you in a hood with Wooper then?

idk, I'm only in a hood with BEF, Mizzy and Chara

Was Mordhaus in that hood?

[Evenstar]

My flavor is really Soichiro

Why aren't you in a hood with Wooper then?

idk, I'm only in a hood with BEF, Mizzy and Chara

Was Mordhaus in that hood?

If he was then he didn't post. We have 1 lurker in there.

So Mordhaus was in a

different

hood with both you and Mizzy?

[Evenstar]

My flavor is really Soichiro

Why aren't you in a hood with Wooper then?

idk, I'm only in a hood with BEF, Mizzy and Chara

Was Mordhaus in that hood?

If he was then he didn't post. We have 1 lurker in there.

So Mordhaus was in a

different

hood with both you and Mizzy?

Mord wasn't in either of my hoods

So Mizzy ultimately shot outside the hood?

[Evenstar]

I am only in 1 hood with Mizzy and I don't recall if she said she was in another hood or not.

Okay, cool. Confirm/deny you are Rester?

[Evenstar]

And/or are in a hood with Bambi? I was feeling a strong connection between the two of you given some of your earlier comments.

[Evenstar]

And/or are in a hood with Bambi? I was feeling a strong connection between the two of you given some of your earlier comments.

No

That makes sense given that you've claimed to be in a hood with Chara.

[Evenstar]

you have Wooper as Light, Even?

pedit: any questions for me, while i'm here for a short time?

yeah, currently

think I may be incorrect about that though

[Evenstar]

you have Wooper as Light, Even?

pedit: any questions for me, while i'm here for a short time?

yeah, currently

think I may be incorrect about that though

We'll know soon enough, since he is my eye target.

(in before: Queue flashbacks to my last deathnote game when I also was onto light, used the eyes, and got cockblocked by a mask)

I predict you'll get a character nobody's heard of. That seems to be how my luck's going today.

[Evenstar]

Given the information I have now, I expect the game to look like this:

[Evenstar]

(yellow lines are speculative)

[Evenstar]

Scum will know for sure if that bottom left corner is correct or not, 'cause Mord was theirs, and likely have someone in the {Vecna, Wooper, LUV/A50, BEF} group to tell them whether it's LUV or A50 who can see all three neighbourhoods... and even if they don't, they can just use an Eye deal on it, which they probably have to spare.

The flavour game should be considered solved at this point, pretty much.

[Evenstar]

Heck, Watari could outright be a Mafia Spy here.

[Evenstar]

Scum will know for sure if that bottom left corner is correct or not, 'cause Mord was theirs, and likely have someone in the {Vecna, Wooper, LUV/A50, BEF} group to tell them whether it's LUV or A50 who can see all three neighbourhoods... and even if they don't, they can just use an Eye deal on it, which they probably have to spare.

The flavour game should be considered solved at this point, pretty much.

BEF is in the hood with me and wooper, and another hidden person. A new hood with me and A50 was created today.

In that case I would say A50 is Watari and makes a new hood with someone each day, and LUV is your lurker. That or you're bullshitting me and you're actually in a hood with TSE. (I would expect the TSE/Mordhaus pair to be floating like me and Vork are.)

[Evenstar]

And/or are in a hood with Bambi? I was feeling a strong connection between the two of you given some of your earlier comments.

Hmm. This is weird.

Also I didn't know Chara was in 2 hoods. God, why does everyone else get the cool Hoods and I just got to fuck with Alisae for a bit?

Yeah, Chara def got lucky randing L.

I was feeling a connection between you and BEF based on all of BEF's talk of "proving their loyalty" to you day 1. I thought that was a reflection of a larger conversation I wasn't getting; now I think Light just misidentified L.

[Evenstar]

When did I ever claim that?

You didn't, but you're in the group with Soichiro, L and Matsuda, are

also

in the group with people I'm pretty sure are the misc. Death Note Users, and are

also

the only person in two large neighbourhoods other than L, whose identity as such is almost assured by the fact that they're in a hood with Mello, BB and Near.

I would be seriously surprised if you were anyone other than Light at this point.

[Evenstar]

So fish, youre claiming you werent in our hood D1 right? You got added overnight, you werent hiding in there?

Correct. I got access at start of D2

Hm. Still seems fishy, if you'll pardon the pun.

Flip me Light

I'll believe it when you flip your actual flavour, and not before. We already know that some characters (like myself and Ryuk) have "unflippable" as a power.

@Vecna:

1: I have no idea if Wooper was able to kill with the Note. He didn't ask us who to kill with it or anything, though, which as a mafioso he might have wanted our opinion on. His pass target is also excellent. I'm never lynching him today.

2: It's not

confirmed

to both of us that we're 3P together, but in the case where Vorkuta is scum he definitely had a detailed safeclaim complete with alternate wincon. I was very careful with the claim process to avoid this exact risk. (Becoming an unwitting extra scum member and getting lynched for it.) He's also assuredly Ryuk, because he called me out on my claiming Ryuk D1 in our neighbourhood.

Our fast wincons are

not

the same, but are mutually compatible with a little pushing and shoving.

[Evenstar]

to be clear, i was added to the second hood with Creature/Fishy/Mizzy/the quiet one on day 2. if that helps.

Soichiro only being able to flip during night is... interesting. i don't know if i believe it, but i believe we can afford to wait.

The fact that this parallels Fish's addition to the Vecna/LUV/Wooper neighbourhood feels like further evidence your two roles are linked somehow.

[Evenstar]

Hm. Still seems fishy, if you'll pardon the pun.

there seems to be a hidden plus one to every hood. in my opinion, it's all the same person. i think you believe the same already, though.

I agree, it feels far more likely that there's a single "spy" role than like three limited-spy roles. Occam's razor.

[Evenstar]

(The case where it's just people deciding to lurk is eliminated by the fact it works out so precisely. No way that happens accidentally.)

[Evenstar]

Misa not existing is pretty plausible given that I'm Rem and I don't have a hood with her. She isn't mentioned by my win condition, either; the only roles our win conditions care about are Light and L.

I think it's pretty unlikely that either of our early-win conditions will happen, to be honest. From a setup perspective, we're here to keep pushing for flips as we hunt for Light and L. Oh look, we found Light and L. I'd

like

to get that Wooper/Vecna/BEF/etc corner sorted out just so I can be absolutely sure we have the right Light, but honestly I don't care enough to push hard for it and risk my easy survivor win.

Everything I've said so far other than the Ryuk claim has been the truth. I will admit to having an ulterior motive for pushing Creature though: I figured some pressure there would help produxe more flavour information and maybe refine our picture of who Light was. It did, yay.

I genuinely think it's silly to be holding back flips right now. This

does

happen to align with my wincon, but that's honestly a happy accident. Keep in mind, the scum are likely trying just as hard to solve the flavour as me and Ryuk, and they've got ~3x the starting info. They claimed to have seven flavours solved D1: I think that's very plausible.

But, like, you do you. I don't

really

care if you guys lose; I'm just a spectator here.

[Evenstar]

Do you still win even if your dead, "Rem"?

lol what shade

Only if the short wincon happens, and like hell I'm trusting your word that you'd do it for me. Besides that, I'm a waste of a lynch. Just ignore me and go about your business.

And if you don't believe me, use your special eyes. Oh wait you can't because you instead used them to out your own nighbourhood member. Whoops.

Either believe Chemist and me, or lynch the both of us together. Oh, and also Vorkuta. Hmmmm. Slight issue there given that there's probably only three scum and Mord is dead already, yeah?

You're not solving, here: you're pushing paranoia to get free kills on civs and work out more of the flavorclaim diagram. I was cool with you doing that earlier, given that you were helping me with my wincon; continuing it now just smells scummy. Not to mention it beimg bad for my health.

[Evenstar]

I was more hoping for Creature to do us the Solid of Suicide bombing you for us and use our lynches elsewhere but frankly I don't know who town wants to fucking lynch at this point if not Creature.

[Evenstar]

Even worse waste IMO.

[Evenstar]

I'm cool with that.

VOTE: Uzi

[Evenstar]

LUV's lack-of-play makes his lynch +EV for town even in the case where he's not scum. I also personally back it because it'll help me solve the flavour diagram better and thereby help with my wincon, but I would hardly be voicing my intentions openly if I didn't think there was a pretty decent case in favour of them dying. I have no desire to be confused with actual scum 'cause I keep MLing townies.

[Evenstar]

Again; WHY? Give me a case. A reason to vote ANYONE at all. There are no leads and nobody's doing the work to uncover the secrets of the game. Instead, everybody's trying to help the bloody scum team by giving them leads to who they are or who others are. If we only had one or two reveals that would have forced Scum to kill within them. Instead, almost everyone is exposed now, so whether they made a wrong guess or a delayed kill last night we're like 99% guaranteed we will be seeing a body at the start of D3.

Unless the only Death Note is in Town hands right now, which I believe to be the case. I'm also invested in that

staying

that way for the foreseeable future, 'cause I am allergic to nightkills and 3ps who trust scum have a bad habit of getting dead for their troubles. Sorry not sorry.

(Not that I don't think the scum aren't playing ball with us so far: thanks for the message from Mord, but L isn't my target right now. Thanks for outing Near, too. Still not gonna hesitate if it comes down to you or us, but I do acknowledge that you've done well by us so far. Town hasn't really been so kind, though Wooper at least has bought some of my loyalty by sharing his eye results.

PS: In case y'all haven't figured it out yet, neither me nor Vork count towards parity, so we're total wastes of a nightkill. Killing either of us is therefore a red flag that we were actually onto a scum, and should be avoided if at all possible. Just play well and we won't be forced to lynch your asses.)

[Evenstar]

And Chara, I dont think im moaning. Im trying to hunt with what Ive got. Why arent you directing these types of messages at other people though? It seems like an odd type of focus

I think A50 also just mildly townspewed in his last post with his wiki diving description. Couldve been an engineered post, I guess, but it doesnt really feel that way.

My hearts desire: Lynch wooper

Good lynch to settle on because we cant always get what we want: RCE

Mediocre lynch that wont give us much info if it flips town, but a lynch is better than no lynch, and it has some equity of being that quiet slot that is hiding in all hoods: LUV

A lynch to strongly consider tomorrow: Creature

Wooper did well by Town. He played ball with us, shared his eye results honestly but

didn't

give us a straight flavour name we could use to kill with if we were scum, and then he passed the Death Note to someone whose killing or not-killing with it would be informative but who was almost certainly Town. I also think he holstered, rather than delay-killing. If there are two deaths tonight, then maybe I'll rescind my read, but ATM I think you'd be a fool to lynch him.

[Evenstar]

what can i say? better the devil you know than the devil you don't. i don't trust Even, and in fact i am aware that she's likely to kill me given the chance, but nobody lives forever. i believe in her motives.

i agree Almost has been pretty towny. we'll see what he has to say later.
VOTE: RCE

Vecna: i appreciate the list anyways. we can circle back to wooper tomorrow if you still feel that way.

I strive to be consistently untrustworthy.

[Evenstar]

We're literally survivors at this point. You nuked both our fast wincons; I won if L died before Light, Vork if he personally killed Light with the Death Note. We have literally zero reason not to just townside 100% and hope to lynch the third scum for a joint win before y'all succumb to paranoia and kill us.

[Evenstar]

Oh, so Vork can kill people then?

He could if he had a Death Note, but he doesn't.

[Evenstar]

Better yet, townside harder by giving us your actual reads.

And did Vork actually use his DN? Be perfectly honest, I'm actually needing your clarity on this situation.

Pedit: hmm. That's... Weird again, but since Wooper is mod silenced please can ya explain that mechanic for me? Are you all legit just trying to find Deathnotes too? I know as Near it's not really something I can do but still.

Hiw many notebooks are actually in play?

To my knowledge there is exactly one notebook and it passes from hand to hand. Chain so far is Wooper -> Chara -> Chemist -> ???

Vork has never had his death note in order to use it AFAIK.

[Evenstar]

Chemist and Chara are probably both town, because otherwise scum got handed a really nasty setup with two Exes hunting their heads. Alternately, Vork is scum. TSE is probably also not scum, because it doesn't make much sense for one scum to flip another scum on death. So I largely agree with the current POE: kill Creature or Fish today.

[Evenstar]

Wait, CHEMIST and Chara had it? Hmm. So it keeps getting passed around? Why? Do scum have to kill the person with the current Deathnote in order to get it?

Chemist had it yesterday, Chara the day before. I'm pretty sure whoever has it has to give it to someone else. Those who own it have guessed that it's taken off the body if they're killed, yes.

[Evenstar]

Do you know the benefits they get? Or is it literally just multiple kills?

I don't even for sure know they can kill with the damn thing. Vork may know more, as his wincon directly involves the death notes, but I don't super trust him at this point.

[Evenstar]

@Light Yagami:
I'm calling your bluff. You have 0 reason to waste a nightkill on us when we don't count towards parity, not when two of your scumteam are already dead. That's literally just being a dick to us for no reason.

[Evenstar]

We have literally zero reason not to just townside 100%

Do this and your name goes into the DN tonight. Promise!

Your threats are as empty as your soul. Mankind ill needs a savior such as you!

[Evenstar]

Do you know the benefits they get? Or is it literally just multiple kills?

I don't even for sure know they can kill with the damn thing. Vork may know more, as his wincon directly involves the death notes, but I don't super trust him at this point.

Finally throwing your other 3p under the bus? Nicee.

So basically you also agree with the Creature/Fish/Vork vote as well.

If Vork would like to show us he's like you, how about he tries and flips for us? That would be appreciated.

We had reason to work together to fish for softs etc, but he made some comments that made it clear he wanted the Death Note even with Light Yagami dead. It's possible he was lying about his wincon, or simply hasn't shared all of it. (Perhaps Light has a similar mechanism to Watari, in that someone else needs to flip first before he dies? Unclear. It's weird that he's a scum Tree Stump though.)

[Evenstar]

So they killed Misa because... That's who had it then? Instead of me or anyone else?

Hmm.

Misa seems to have assumed that Light had a Death Note of his own. He might or might not have; I have no information about how many other death notes than ours there may be, though I'd be surprised if it's more than one.

[Evenstar]

if scum CAN steer kills onto neuts they're not actually dumb enough to do so when they can turn this from 1-9 into 3-7 lmfao I'm p sure Eva and vork are smart enough to call that bluff and just townsided until it's beneficial for them not to

Check your numbers, smart ass. There appeared to be no kill on N1, and then we had TWO NKs on N2 (and probably will have that again on N4) but only one of the two kills was already flipped. Can you guess where the missing numbers are? YES, there are already TWO "dead men walking", so to speak. I won't say more and won't even confirm what night(s) they die.

So 2 players are dead that appear to be alive?

Don't fucking listen to lolcatting scum. It's not worth your time and energy. Probably there's something of value in it, yes, but it's

blatantly bait.

The more you pay attention to the

literal flipped scum,

the less solving gets done, and I have good reason to want you to actually goddamn lynch scum today.

[Evenstar]

@Morality, @TheBaker: Have you processed Watari's attempt to flip?

[Evenstar]

I know he isn't lying about being Watari since I used my eyes on him, but it's funny nonetheless.

Eyes?
Couldn’t he be lying about his ability?

My wincon says that Watari must flip in order for me to learn how to kill L, so that plus the lack of counterclaim says he's trueclaiming.

[Evenstar]

I know he isn't lying about being Watari since I used my eyes on him, but it's funny nonetheless.

Eyes?
Couldn’t he be lying about his ability?

My wincon says that Watari must flip in order for me to learn how to kill L, so that plus the lack of counterclaim says he's trueclaiming.

What if L is Chara.

Chara is obviously L and has been since Day 2. I'll be quite surprised if he ends up being

not

L.

[Evenstar]

(By the way Bambi, nice piece of misdirection with the BB eye-claim. You got me hard. I'm guessing the entire "internal drama" was faked?)

[Evenstar]

(By the way Bambi, nice piece of misdirection with the BB eye-claim. You got me hard. I'm guessing the entire "internal drama" was faked?)

The drama was real, just slightly exaggerated out the neighborhood.

That makes sense. The best lies are the ones that are mostly the truth.

Chara actually "vented" in our neighbourhood, which was a great move on his part; that plus my pre-existing distaste for your playstyle made me swallow that you'd just straight-up out one of your neighbours to the whole thread, when if I'd thought about it I'd have realized that the claim was too convenient. I saw what I wanted to see: bravo.

[Evenstar]

I know he isn't lying about being Watari since I used my eyes on him, but it's funny nonetheless.

Eyes?
Couldn’t he be lying about his ability?

My wincon says that Watari must flip in order for me to learn how to kill L, so that plus the lack of counterclaim says he's trueclaiming.

What if L is Chara.

Chara is obviously L and has been since Day 2. I'll be quite surprised if he ends up being

not

L.

Wait so Chemist Town Reads Chara because Even cam receives information on how to kill Chara?

?????
Is this the shit that’s going down?

I think it may be, yes. I want more info out of Chemist on what exactly his role's supposed to do; he claimed on D2 that he knew there was almost certainly a scum in the Wammy's House neighbourhood - him, Chara, Bambi, RCE. I want to know exactly what that information was, whether L is town-confirmed to him, and why he isn't currently trying to eat RCE's face.

[Evenstar]

Okay. I think there are two potential worlds here, mechanically.

The first one is the easy world where this setup doesn't do anything weird. Light is scum, L is town, Watari is Town by virtue of being Masons with L, Raye and Naomi are of opposite alignments, Mello and Near are same-faction, etc.

In this world, the POE looks like it does right now. Creature looks awful, BEF not much better. Wooper and Vork are possible extensions if necessary.

... Unfortunately, some staring at the setup makes me feel like we're not in that world. It is too clever by half for that.

Myself and Ryuk are a pair of third parties that exist to make the events of canon take place. The moderator claims that flavour is not alignment-indicative, but the setup is obviously built around the existence of Light as a permanent Mafia Spy in all neighbourhoods. Mello and Near have to work together in order to investigate someone and thereby catch Kira. Misa Amane is an innocent that detects as a killer, and her ability lets her get her own way. Matsuda is a dayvig with an extended twilight that lets his target monologue while they bleed out!

The Neighbourhoods are also carefully crafted. Wammy's House is a neighbourhood. The Shinigami are a neighbourhood. Raye and his wife are a neighbourhood. The investigation is a neighbourhood...

... which is why it's very strange that I've got this corner up here that's [LUV, BEF, Wooper, Vecna].

In particular, I would expect Aizawa (LUV) to be in the same hood as Matsuda (Mizzytastic). But they're not. They're only linked by BEF... and BEF is not Soichiro, because

Creature

has flipped as Soichiro.

Why is Aizawa more closely associated with Misa Amane than with Soichiro? Beats the fuck out of me. And that's my point, here - this setup is

not

as straightforward as it may initially appear.

I think we're in the hard world where the setup is

intentionally deceiving.

So I went and I did some NK analysis:

Night Kills:
N1: No Kill
N2: Mizzytastic (Daykilled Scum)
N3: Vecna (Hammered Scum D2 with Doublevote Power)
N4: ?

Scum can delay their kills with the Death Note

one night.

... If the Death Note that's been being passed around has stayed in Town hands this entire time, that implies the scum must have their own Death Note in order to be able to kill.

But if the scum have their own Death Note, that implies they must have done one of the following:

Option A:

N1: No Kill
N2: Kill
N3: Kill

Option B:

N1: Delayed Kill
N2: Delayed Kill
N3: No Kill

Option C:

N1: Delayed Kill
N2: No Kill
N3: Kill

In other words, the scum holstered for some reason on one night. The first-thought answer is "they didn't know anyone's flavour, so they missed N1", but Matsuda had already flipped D1 and was killed N2. There was zero reason to holster on N1. Holstering N2 is blatantly suicidal; why not kill Bambi? And N3's kill is on Vecna, who wasn't a significant threat to scum until they hammered Light; that seems very unlikely to be a delaykill, so they

can't

have holstered that night.

... On that basis, scum probably

don't

have their own Death Note.

I think the following is the most likely set of scum actions:
N1: Delaykill Mizzy
N2: No Kill
N3: Kill Vecna

This could also have happened:
N1: No Kill
N2: Kill Mizzy
N3: Kill Vecna

And even this might be possible if the scum were smart and a bit lucky:
N1: No Kill
N2: Kill Mizzy, Delaykill Vecna
N3: No Kill

What's really interesting about this is that

in no world are both Chara and Chemist town.

Chara has been quite insistent about there being a second death note in this game, but as of yet I can't say that there's any physical evidence. If I were him, I would be trying to lynch Chemist right now on the basis of the N3 Vecna kill. Instead he's insisting that Chemist is town.

Naturally this is going to be deeply suspect coming from the mouth of someone who's an admitted lyncher for Chara's role - you're going to have to take it on faith here that that wincon died with Light - but I would very much like you all to consider the possibility that Chara could be scum.

If you

really

don't think he's scum, Chemist is the natural next place to look. I don't buy that there is a second death note, and Chemist was the one who had it when Vecna was killed - a kill that

could not have been a delaykill if Chara is town.

[Evenstar]

I know he isn't lying about being Watari since I used my eyes on him, but it's funny nonetheless.

Eyes?
Couldn’t he be lying about his ability?

My wincon says that Watari must flip in order for me to learn how to kill L, so that plus the lack of counterclaim says he's trueclaiming.

What if L is Chara.

Chara is obviously L and has been since Day 2. I'll be quite surprised if he ends up being

not

L.

Wait so Chemist Town Reads Chara because Even cam receives information on how to kill Chara?

?????
Is this the shit that’s going down?

I think it may be, yes. I want more info out of Chemist on what exactly his role's supposed to do; he claimed on D2 that he knew there was almost certainly a scum in the Wammy's House neighbourhood - him, Chara, Bambi, RCE. I want to know exactly what that information was, whether L is town-confirmed to him, and why he isn't currently trying to eat RCE's face.

no I didn't what

and Chara isn't town-confirmed but mechanically it's too swingy for them to be scum given the 3p wincons

I was mistaken, sorry: it was your predecessor on D1. See here:

yeah you definitely don't want me outing whats in my role pm chara
you definitely don't

i don't want you to?
then i guess you have your answer from me. :>

but seriously, it is a bit hard to understand. from a hypothetical perspective of "one of RC, Chara, and Bambi is confirmed scum" i probably would have gone about it differently myself. i don't know what else i may not like about your reveal, but i can't make you do it or not do it.

its moreso you are confirmed town to me and the existance of the hood makes me think one of RCE and Bambi is confirmed scum because there HAS to be something to just prevent me from literally telling you everything I know and to have 2 mech cleared slots at the start of D1

[Evenstar]

I got a result he hasn't used a death note

RCE?

Yes

Only people with death note can kill correct?

unless you're Matsuda

Or were handed a gun by Aizawa, but he seems to have died before he could do that.

[Evenstar]

So... we lynching anybody today?

[Evenstar]

@Chara
Is there a good reason why you haven't flipped yet?

[Evenstar]

I don't see this being tremendously useful at this point, not unless Wooper is exactly L. Can we get on with this ML yet?

[Evenstar]

VOTE: Chara

If I'm wrong about this I'll deeply regret it, but I feel like there's too many coincidences stacking up here.

[Evenstar]

Bro you literally wasted your check when the Mafia outted it for us. Why didn't you check Vork to see if he's Ryuk or not?

Bambi, i am telling you Vork is who he says he is. i hope you understand when i say i can't explain further.

Vork is extremely likely Ryuk, 'cause he counterclaimed me; Chara also claims this is confirmed to anybody who gets their hands on our Death Note. So overall, extremely likely that Vork is Ryuk.

[Evenstar]

And so I can sound like I'm brainwashed, I want him to try and flip like you did as well.

You never re-did the "Flip Rem" on its own btw. Even though I believe you I'm still just...

Did he tell you he couldn't flip, same as you?

Yes, he did.

Flip Rem

[Evenstar]

Ain't gonna work though.

[Evenstar]

Ain't gonna work though.

I know, but thanks for atleast helping me prove the point that I atleast wanna see him do the same thing later on.

But fuck me anyway cuz I don't get to deal with the hidden Death Note mechanic despite being the Character who takes out Light in the end.

Honestly I'm still wondering if they're leaving me alive to somehow mislynch in LyLo? Like.... I don't understand.

I think they killed Misa to keep the secret that there's only one Death Note.

... In fact, wait. If Light Yagami had the scum death note, and he was lynched and Vecna got his death note, then how does Vecna die? Don't the scum then have no death note to kill with that night?

[Evenstar]

As the monty python sketch says, GET ON WITH IT

[Evenstar]

Don't really feel like work is getting done at this point.

[Evenstar]

lynching somebody

[Evenstar]

I've been handed the Death Note.

[Evenstar]

Yes, I can use it to kill a person of my choice tonight. I also don't

appear

to be required to hand it off to anyone else; I'm sending a request for clarification to Morality regarding that now.

[Evenstar]

I also don't appear to have any new members in my QT, so it looks like Chara handed the book to me. Which is a fucking weird action, overall.

[Evenstar]

Even should probably have something to announce here. i put my trust in Bambi, but he's dead (as i suspected would be likely).

Ah. Note was handed to Bambi, Bambi died, so... I appear to have gotten my Note back.

[Evenstar]

... does that mean when Vecna died holding the Death Note, it went back to Vorkuta, and that's why he's dead now?

[Evenstar]

Good point. It's possible this is Vork's DN - it's not specifically called "my death note".

[Evenstar]

- Chara, regarding our earlier conversation: I believe the mechanically correct play today is to sleep.

[Evenstar]

This could be MYLO but is never LYLO.

[Evenstar]

Chara, up to you how much you want to back me up here.

[Evenstar]

sorry, it's exams right now and just in general a lot going on.

why not fake a guilty? or, i'm wondering what would have been a useful reaction to you making a bad investigation choice, in your opinion?

Even: i'm assuming you mean ending the day with an NL and letting you kill? wouldn't that just get you killed?

and we don't really know how the Death Note moves, except for what Even has confirmed as true. i don't know if killing a player/hammering them also steals a DN they're holding.

I have to hand off the death note tonight actually.
The math works out in such a way that if town MLs today I kingmake, and I don't wanna deal with that rage & salt but neither do I want to, y'know, die. Scum are very unlikely to nk me because I don't count towards parity.

[Evenstar]

Also, where the hell are you gettig that there are two alive scum rn?

[Evenstar]

If Even wins with scum and has death note basically we are in:

5v2
If we mislynch:
4v2
Groupscum gets to kill one, Even another:
2v2

Uh oh

Even is confirmed to win with scum by her survivor claim, so this could happen. actually, i thought scum might kill her, but they really don't have any reason to provided she chooses town to kill tonight (and why wouldn't she?).
so... yeah, am i just blind? for whatever reason i don't want to do it, but we probably don't have the choice of letting Even live. she's basically a kingmaker tonight, if she kills scum we win, if she kills town scum wins, and she wins either way.
i know that's obvious to say, but whatever.

dude wtf

why you going at me like this after that unjester claim last night

if I survive today I kill you and we both win 'cause Light doesn't count as dead yet, stop fucking this up

[Evenstar]

*Unless Wooper has secretly been L all along

[Evenstar]

VOTE: Creature

[Evenstar]

Why hasn't Wooper flipped btw? Or did I miss that?

[Evenstar]

I figure a decent 50% chance that it's wooper's unflippedness keeping Light in the game as a stump, it'd parallel the Watari/L setup

[Evenstar]

*Unless Wooper has secretly been L all along

he hasn’t

yeah that's super unlikely I'm just paranoid

[Evenstar]

Do you really think this game is just "oh let me add two survivors that can win with town right here and voila!"?

sure looks that way yep

[Evenstar]

if I survive today I kill you and we both win 'cause Light doesn't count as dead yet, stop fucking this up

you can still win by killing me?

and i'm not "coming at you", just stating the situation as i understand it.
and forgive me if i don't fully understand how NLing today and having you kill me is beneficial to

my

wincon.

Ah, it was a falseclaim to try and throw off scum's parity calculations. Nice, nice.

[Evenstar]

Aight, time to cut the bullshit. Some accurate setup math for you all:
5 Town
1 Scum
1 Third Party

There are four cases here. I'll walk through them one by one.
1: Town lynches the last scum, and wins. I win as a survivor with Town. Everybody's happy
2: Town mislynches.
In this case, we're at 4 town, 1 scum, 1 3P going into night.
I kill Chara, and exit the game on my short wincon. -1 town, -1 3p. Edge case, Chara is scum and town wins, but realistically that never happens. We're now at 3 town 1 scum.
Mafia kill a town, -1 town. We're at 2 town 1 scum.

TLDR: Mislynching today means I win and y'all go to F3 LYLO.

3: Town sleeps.
Same as above except y'all go to F4 MYLO. Creature gets an extra investigation if he's Town and you sleep again at MYLO, so this is actually preferable to a ML for town.
4: Town lynches me.
At this point there's a big question mark, which is "What happens to my Death Note?"
Assuming it just disappears, then the Mafia kill a townie and it goes to 4 town 1 scum. I also weep gently, for I hath lost and been slain.

Why this looks bad for me:

1: Yeah, I have no

direct

reason to prefer lynching scum over town right now. So long as I live to night, I win. (Barring weirdness with Wooper's role.)
2: Yes, town does

technically

gain a lynch by dunking me today.

Why that doesn't hold up:

I'm literally in a fight for my life here. I need to convince everybody that it's better to lynch elsewhere today.
What's my best strategy to do that? Well...

Option 1: Play Neutral

Rely on everybody's general disaffection with the game and just sorta limp into a Creature lynch.

Chances:

Might work, but depends on everyone else being idiots. I

don't

think the rest of the players here are idiots. I'm mechanically favoured to be the lynch today, so

I'm

a lazy target. Trying to skate by is a bad plan here.

Option 2: Scumside

Push for a lynch,

any

lynch. Hammer any wagon that gets to L-1. Try to coordinate with the last wolf to dunk the weakest townie available.

Chances:

Ha ha no. The scum have strong reason to throw me under the bus here, and will no doubt do so at their first opportunity. Again, I'm lynchbait right now due to being a confirmed 3P as the game goes down to the wire; killing me is a hell of a lot better than letting the last scum get lynched and lose. Also, if town catches on to what I'm doing I'm just straight-up fucked. This is a greedy, stupid strategy.

Option 3: Townside

Actually fucking scumhunt. Try to lynch the last wolf. Scum are 100% willing to throw me under the bus anyway, why not return the favour?

Chances:

I've literally spent the whole game pursuing this strategy. I claimed D1, have shared a fuckton of information I didn't need to, have faithfully advised multiple Death Note holders how best to avoid letting scum get their hands on the book, and have been putting real effort into solving. Sure, Town might turn around and stab me in the back

anyway

, but in practice this is the best strategy available. It also speaks to my ethics and the way I prefer to play; as the saying goes, "coalition victory is the power of the weak."

This wall's long enough already so I'm going to break it here; I definitely have more to say though.

[Evenstar]

Wow, shorter than I expected. Phoneposting does that I guess.

Okay, so.

Some important observations that people may have missed:

- AFAIK, nobody knows what happens to the Death Note of someone who's lynched.
- If I live, I get to pick who to hand the Death Note to tonight.
- Lynching me does

not

increase the number of mislynches town gets. It just stalls for a day.
- Stalling means that one of the towniest players - RCE or Chara probably - gets nightkilled, and can't participate in the lynch tomorrow.
- If I'm left alone today, I self-resolve as if town had spent a lynch on me. The same two people leave the game. (Me and Chara.)
- You'll also lose my contributions, and while I'm not town, I'm pretty much confirmed not scum.

Conclusion:

It's absolutely better to lynch for scum today than to lynch me.

- The fact that my wincon still treats Light as "alive" while treestumped implies that Light can go from "treestumped" to "dead."
- Wooper still hasn't flipped, and his flavour is "Kiyomi Takada"

according to the scum.

- I'm confirmed as Rem by multiple eye deals.
- Everybody else alive has flipped.
- Mikami Teru isn't in the game, but

Kiyomi Takada

is?
- Almost50 can still see and speak in every neighbourhood despite being treestumped.

Hypothesis:

Wooper is actually Mikami Teru. He's also scum. His lack-of-flip is keeping Light from transitioning from "treestumped" to "dead." The scum care about this because without Light able to spy on things, the Bambi, RCE, Chara & Chemist hood stops having to talk in the thread at all. The scum also lose their secure communications channel with me. (Yes, I'm talking with A50 in the notebook channel right now. He says "hi." (Actually, he says "how do you kill L?" mostly. It's getting kind of annoying.)

Guess what happens when I search for "Mikami" in the thread?

Yeah, youre Mikami

Vecna dies the night after saying this to Wooper. As they say,

interesting.

I'd say it's missing Kiyomi Takada and Kyosuke Higuchi.

Eva you should do this

nice my hood pal is town~!

Why does Wooper want me to try and flip as they role they supposedly are?

Ok.

Wooper is Takada.

I'm hated which means L-1 right now.

Fish's eye deal

does

report that Wooper is Takada. However, we explicitly know that this game has millers/godfathers: Vecna and Misa's roles are proof of that. I think it's reasonable to expect that a mafia godfather in this setup might report a different role on eye-deal investigation. We also have a bodyguard despite that making no sense against a Death Note kill, so the flavor argument doesn't hold.

In any case, there's an easy way to test it:

@Wooper: REPEAT IT IN RED: "Flip Me Mikami"

I will note that a similar chain of logic implicates Chara:
- Chara had the Death Note last night.
- There were two deaths last night: Vorkuta and Bambi Jay.
- Therefore Chara almost certainly killed Vorkuta with my Death Note.
- Light Yagami is not yet actually dead, and scum want to keep it that way, as discussed above.
- Vorkuta had the wincon of killing Light Yagami.
- Killing Vork also looks towny and helps Chara blend.

Conclusion: A theoretical Scum!Chara had means, motive and opportunity to kill Vorkuta yesterday.

This doesn't mean he's not town, but I

am

eyeballing the decision to kill Ryuk over me. I'm literally a executioner for Chara. If he had the ability to kill one of us, why

not

kill me? I guess because Ryuk was a likelier potential scum...?

- oh, and by the way, in the case where I'm the last scum the setup math works out like this:
1 Scum
6 Town

ML, I kill a townie at night, there is no other killing party:
1 Scum
4 Town

I now have to explain why either A: I didn't kill Chara or B: I killed Chara but didn't win. I'm absolutely cornered and am always the lynch. Even if it's me and a

secret lurking fourth scum ooooo

, it goes to F3.

[Evenstar]

*Vecna and Bambi's roles, brain fart.

[Evenstar]

fwiw I am, in fact, an idiot

so option 1 is definitely still on the table

I mean, sure, if you want

Feels a bit easy to me but as I said idgaf who gets lynched today so long as it's not me

[Evenstar]

Oh, from the scumthread, there's a couple things worth noting:

There is definitely one but more likely 2 third party roles. One is a serial killer, one is a hunter. Scum, as such, has decided to leave the obvious kills to the serial killer. There are only three of us, which means town has little power especially with the Dayvig outed, the high playercount, and the inconsistent nightkills.

Bambi is Near, although the claim doesn't make any sense since we have no godfather. Best guess, Bambi is a hunter looking for Light. Good luck, scumbuddies.

What do you guys think of this post from Mordhaus when he outed himself? Do you think there are 3 mafia and 2 third party? 4 mafia and 2 third party looks unbalanced in a 15 player game.

It's complete bullshit, ignore it.

[Evenstar]

VOTE: Unvote

Doing some tallying of claims and I think Creature might actually be town. If so, Chara scum...?

That or scum's doing some A+ narrative crafting here.

[Evenstar]

Timeline:
D1: Mizzy shoots Mordhaus and Mordhaus dies. Wooper has the Death Note. 1 scum is dead.
N1: Nobody dies. Wooper passes the Death Note to Chara.
D2: LUV is executed, and flips town. RCE gives Bambi Jay a cop.
N2: Mizzy dies in the night. Chara passes the Death Note to RCE. Bambi Jay cops A50 in the night.
D3: A50 lynched, and turned into a treestump. 2 scum are dead.
N3: Vecna dies in the night.
D4: BrightEyedFish is executed, and flips town.
N4: Vorkuta and Bambi Jay both die in the night.

Okay, so.
1: Scum can delay their kills by

one night.

2: Both A50 and Mordhaus were dead by N3.
3: In order for Creature's claimed role to be meaningful, A50 can't submit kills while treestumped.
4: Creature claims that Wooper did not use a death note on any of N1, N2, N3, or N4.
5: There are very probably only three scum.

Conclusion: If there are only three scum, Wooper cannot be the third.

Case A:

Creature is scum. In this case, Creature is the third scum, game is over.

Case B:

Creature is town. In this case, both Wooper's hypothetical scumpartners are dead before N3, and therefore neither of them could have made those kills even with a 1-night delay.

Let's look at RCE now. If creature is town, are they clear?
Well, in that case the Bambi kill was made N4 by RCE,

after

Creature's investigation. So that's not a problem.
RCE's partners could have killed Mizzy and Vecna.
But in Vecna's case, it's a little weird, because that implies that Vecna was delaykilled on N2. Why would that happen?
... well, it turns out that Vecna was heavily scumreading RCE. For like, two days running. And he

also

was scumreading A50 and Mordhaus.
So it's quite possible that A50 delaykilled him on N2, and the "MY BOOK" from him was just a fortunate accident. (Or that he expressed his plans for his doublevote in the hood, and therefore scum were ready for it.)

RCE is still a suspect.

Possible 1-scum worlds:

Creature
RCE
Chara
Adorable

[Evenstar]

Didn't we establish kills resolve before invests? So the only argument that can be made for me being scum is that I delay killed the night creature checked me.

But A50 trying to implicate me in the hood tells me this game is pretty much tied up.

Creature checked you N3, yes?
A50 delaykills N1 & N2, no kill N3, you kill N4. You still have not killed at the end of N3.

[Evenstar]

N2: Mizzy dies in the night. Chara passes the Death Note to RCE. Bambi Jay cops A50 in the night.

This a typo? I never received a deathnote.

Whup, that was

Chemist.

Thanks for the catch.

That makes me go HMMMMMMMM, because look at this assuming Creature Town:
D1: Death note is in Wooper's hands. No kill.
D2: Death note is in Chara's hands. Mizzy killed.
D3: Death note is in Chemist's hands. Vecna killed.
D4: Death note is in Chara's hands. Vorkuta and Bambi Jay killed.

If creature town and 3 scum, then:

D1: Death note is in the hands of confirmed town. There is no kill.
D2: Death note is in Chara's hands. 1 Kill.
D3: Death note is in the hands of confirmed town. 1 Kill.
D4: Death note is in Chara's hands. 2 Kills.

Option 1: Town cannot use the Death Note, and everyone who's held it is Town. Scum have their own Death Note. Scum

must

have submitted the following:
N1: Delaykill Mizzy
N2: Delaykill Vecna
N3: Delaykill Bambi Jay or Vorkuta
N4: Kill whichever of Bambi Jay and Vorkuta they didn't delaykill N3.

The first 3 kills here make sense, but then the Vorkuta kill... doesn't. 1 Scum + 2 Survivors + 1 Hated Townie (Chemist) = Game Win For Scum. I'm gonna assume for the moment that the scum did not just throw that away. So that means this

must

be:
N1: Delaykill Mizzy
N2: Delaykill Vecna
N3: Delaykill Vorkuta
N4: Kill Bambi Jay

Which makes

negative

amounts of sense. What sane scumteam delaykills a 3rd party over killing a confirmed town?

Option 2: Sucm have a death note. Town can also use the deathnote, but nobody bothered to until N4 for

some

damn reason. Yeah no this isn't the case.
Option 3: Only scum can use the deathnote, and they can kill twice each night they have it. Chara is scum.

D1: Death note is in the hands of confirmed town. There is no kill.
D2: Death note is in Chara's hands. Kill, Delaykill.
D3: Death note is in the hands of confirmed town.
D4: Death note is in Chara's hands. 2 Kills.

big :thonk:

[Evenstar]

You believe there are two deathnotes then yeah?

If there aren't two deathnotes then Chara always scum

[Evenstar]

Well, in that case the Bambi kill was made N4 by RCE, after Creature's investigation.

Seems like a hell of a stretch

yeah, but all the options are fucky as hell rn

like, Chara is scum and can only kill when they have the deathnote but they can kill twice when they have it???

two deathnotes and a complete WTF of a kill on Vorkuta by the scumteam???

game's just failing to add up at this point if you're town. Help me solve.

[Evenstar]

VOTE: Creature

[Evenstar]

I'm cool with this, regardless of whose gambit it is.

[Evenstar]

FTR I'm expecting creature to selfhammer.

[Evenstar]

TLDR:
Wooper claimed lone wolf to A50.
Wooper + me + 2nd living scum = enough votes to hammer RCE or Chemist, a guaranteed win for me and scum together.
Scum plan that.
Whoops, Wooper was town.

[Evenstar]

And I'm never here tomorrow, because I kill Chara and win if I make it to night.

[Evenstar]

Oh, and I'll confirm A50 gave me and Wooper the same name for the remaining scum.

[Evenstar]

WP all. Sad that A50 got dunked.
I feel like this game had too many clears in it. See:
L & Watari are clear from Light flip, Watari Friendly Neighbour, Shinigami targets.
Near's cop target is pretty damn clear. So is Mello as the enabler.
Raye is clear after Naomi flip.
Matsuda dayvig & Aizawa gunsmith were likely clear.
Light was scum, L was town. Feels predictable.

That leaves like 3 actually not clearable townies. Just not enough lynches for scum.

Overall I loved the flavour though. The shinigami were a very nice touch.

(Personally, I'd make L scum. But that's just me. )

[Evenstar]

Yeah, A50 lost this game for scum with that Vork kill. What a senseless waste of shinigami unlife.