Micro 898 | Forest Fire | Over

[Pyrrha Nikos]

hi i'm the pregame cop

i can confirm that pine is a tree

and pyre is aligned with the arsonist

VOTE: pyrrha nikos

good job guys we're well on our way to winning this one

Very funny.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Yeah, I got the arsonist reference too.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

Because his name makes me think of wool and it’s fucking freezing in my apartment rn.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Pyrrha nikos

who would want to burn down the forest? someone who is freezing, that's who.

You already voted me. I’d just settle for an electric blanket but meh.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

that one looks like rick astley

VOTE: Dannflor

Rick Astley must die.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

I just finished a game with RC where scum wanted him dead. Policy lynching good scum players will just result in scum gamethrowing, so a really terrible idea, always.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

The fuck is this

VOTE: Blatant Scum

+1

FOS on BS for that post.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

I just finished a game with RC where scum wanted him dead. Policy lynching good scum players will just result in scum gamethrowing, so a really terrible idea, always.

But I wanted to policy lynch him because he is a good

town

player.

That makes absolutely no sense. Why would you ever want to pl someone for being a “good town player”?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

I just finished a game with RC where scum wanted him dead. Policy lynching good scum players will just result in scum gamethrowing, so a really terrible idea, always.

Spoiler: Hid animated Gif --P

I mean in

general

obviously. People should always play to the best of their ability and pls based on past scum performance, just punish players for playing well in past games. It’s never a good reason to lynch someone solely based on that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

if you make another post about policy lynching me i'm going to policy lynch you

Why? Are you disagreeing with me? How many times have you bitched to me about that?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Fine RC, if that’s how you’re going to react, I won’t say anything more about it. Just stop complaining to me about it then. Deal?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I wasn't talking to you.

Yeah, I just realized that.

I don’t like BS pushing that but because of the mechanic, I don’t know if it’s necessarily scum indicative but if he persists, I will definitely be suspicious.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Official Vote Count 1.02

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Blatant Scum

(3): Pine, PenguinPower, Blatant Scum

Pyrrha Nikos

(1): Dannflor

Dannflor

(1): Pyrrha Nikos

Not Voting

(4): RadiantCowbells, sheepsaysmeep, Banakai, eth0s

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-16 07:30:00).

Mod notes:

Animated GIFs have been put behind spoiler tags as per Rule 5.

RadiantCowbells has requested replacement

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Why? :/

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I hope you’re happy now, BS.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I hope you’re happy now, BS.

That was the exact opposite of what I wanted to archieve.

RC gets this all the time and he’s sick of it, that’s probably why he plays Newbies so much.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Gamma Emerald replaces RadiantCowbells! Please welcome him

Hey Gamma I’m glad you got in but I just wish it hadn’t have been because of RC replace out.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

You need to learn to read the room.

How can I learn it?

it's been a while since someone requested a page 1 policy lynch on me tbh

i'm sad.

what do you think?

do you think i want people trying to push policy lynches on me?

@mod

i don't suppose you'll take this as actionable

He was clearly upset about it, wouldn’t you be in his position?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Hello, I actually just finished reading the game. Commentary in my next post.
No RVS but-RWBY V3 spoiler ahead

I will say that best girl Pyrrha should probably be kept safe so she doesn’t get incinerated a second time

Can you use spoiler = instead? And ??? What second time?

Is this some RWBY reference? *confused*

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Probably should move on.

p-edit

@pyrrha

Well, it’s not like we have a choice. I am happy Gamma’s playing anyway.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Pyrrha Nikos

Isn't Pyrrha just like gibberish language for Pyro?

You want the long or the short answer?

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

On first impression this would impress me but...

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

The fuck is this

VOTE: Blatant Scum

+1

FOS on BS for that post.

But I had towny intro - I reacted on a post in this thread!

...THIS post is plain AWFUL

it's been a while since someone requested a page 1 policy lynch on me tbh

i'm sad.

You see you don’t BoP PL a player on D1, you do it D3 when they haven’t led a lynch on scum yet

((Does arsonist count as scum?))

What the heck is this question?

You need to learn to read the room.

How can I learn it?

Realize that out of anyone on this site RC is the absolute worst person to direct your ploy towards. RC doesn’t respond well to disingenuous pressure of any sort.

Gamma Emerald replaces RadiantCowbells! Please welcome him

Hey Gamma I’m glad you got in but I just wish it hadn’t have been because of RC replace out.

Yeah the second I saw RC was the slot I knew something went funky already

Hello, I actually just finished reading the game. Commentary in my next post.
No RVS but-RWBY V3 spoiler ahead [spoiler} I will say that best girl Pyrrha should probably be kept safe so she doesn’t get incinerated a second time{/spoiler]

Can you use spoiler = instead? And ??? What second time?

Is this some RWBY reference? *confused*

{spoiler=Omg]Bruh Pyrrha was turned to ash at the end of RWBY Volume 3. Would figure at the very least that had osmosis to you already even if you hadn’t seen the show for yourself.[/spoiler}

VOTE: Blatant Scum
I think this is okay rn

Btw this my first time playing this setup despite loosely speccing a few games before, I never saw any fancy strategy installed, so I’m gonna assume there is none for this one

Spoiler:

I’m not super familiar with RWBY. I created the account because both Krazy and Ank made RWBY accounts for the same game.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Gamma, I agree that post #26 is scummy. However, why does #20 impress you?

@Pyrrha, two separate times in post #25 and post #62 you directly express suspicion on Blatant Scum's slot. Yet, you choose to sit on your RVS vote on me instead of voting Blatant Scum. If you were FOSing Blatant Scum—which I imagine has to be one of the strongest reads you have on anyone so far—why wouldn't you switch your RVS vote over there? Unless you genuinely found me more suspicious off my first three posts of the game, in which case I'm going to need you to elaborate on that as well.

No, my vote on you is still RVS. I was planning on switching it.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

UNVOTE:

for now

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Post 20 impressed me because it looks like a pretty bold statement. If he was earnest about it, that would actually look pretty good. But what he’s doing does not look like it’s in earnest.
Also I’ll just give the long answer. Pyrrha (iirc) is a pseudonym used by Achilles at one point in The Iliad. Pyrrha’s character is actually based on Achilles.

I didn’t know that. The fascinating things you learn on MS.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Gamma, I agree that post #26 is scummy. However, why does #20 impress you?

@Pyrrha, two separate times in post #25 and post #62 you directly express suspicion on Blatant Scum's slot. Yet, you choose to sit on your RVS vote on me instead of voting Blatant Scum. If you were FOSing Blatant Scum—which I imagine has to be one of the strongest reads you have on anyone so far—why wouldn't you switch your RVS vote over there? Unless you genuinely found me more suspicious off my first three posts of the game, in which case I'm going to need you to elaborate on that as well.

No, my vote on you is still RVS. I was planning on switching it.

Like you seriously thought I would stay on you for the reasons I gave? Really?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think Gamma is town. He’s been my scumbuddy 3 times now, so I think I can read him.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Wait a second.

Forest fires create CO₂

CO₂ destroys the ozone layer

The ozone layer preserves the arctic regions

The arctic regions are where penguins live

UNVOTE:

His power is for the good of tree-kind this game. Or he's one sick and twisted penguin.

Time will tell.

You aren’t by any chance a Jingle alt, right?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

On a more serious note I get what BS was saying. I thought the logic was sound although I was uninterested in joining him. Dannflor does make me realize that the logic wasnt great. But I'm not sure if that's something BS was considering. I kinda think he truly believed his own logic regardless of his alignment

Gamma was right, the logic of lynching RC on D1 without even a single cause for suspicion, really made very little sense. I don’t know if he’s scum though. His reaction to it isn’t pinging me but the thing is he self-voted and put himself at L-1, so if he’s scum and that lynch would have gone through, it would look great for RC, so I’m thinking bad town over scum rn. I wish RC hadn’t have replaced out, because then we would know if BS continues to hardpush for this. If he did, it would be more than reasonable to assume he was probable scum. So now, we’ll never get to find that out.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Like you seriously thought I would stay on you for the reasons I gave? Really?

My issue is not that you were voting me, it's that you didn't switch it on expressing suspicion for another slot. I would have had the same question if your RVS vote was on someone else.

What is your current read on Blatant Scum, Pyrrha?

Post 20 impressed me because it looks like a pretty bold statement. If he was earnest about it, that would actually look pretty good. But what he’s doing does not look like it’s in earnest.

Do you think that particular bold statement would be town indicative if it was earnest? Earnest bold statements can come from scum and I'm not sure that particular one is any more likely to come from town than not.

I thought the logic was sound although I was uninterested in joining him. Dannflor does make me realize that the logic wasnt great. But I'm not sure if that's something BS was considering. I kinda think he truly believed his own logic regardless of his alignment

Very very faint town ping from this. The immediate contradiction in "I found the logic sound," to, "I realize the logic wasn't great," is something I think most scum is too self-conscious to make.

@eth0s, do you have a read on BS based off these first few pages? Or are you not finding anything AI based on these first few pages. If not, reads or vague gut feelings on anyone else?

I don’t immediately switch my vote unless I feel strongly it’s scum and that is pretty consistent for me in practically every game I’ve played. I would never stay on an RVS vote. I either unvote or switch it when I have a decent read, which doesn’t always happen for me on D 1.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

((Does arsonist count as scum?))

Was this a serious question?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

The fuck is this

VOTE: Blatant Scum

+1

FOS on BS for that post.

But I had towny intro - I reacted on a post in this thread!

Which?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

also i'm considering switching to prince of renais and making this a meme rather than tryhard game for me

Elaborate.

THIS post is your idea of a “townie” as opposed to NAI “reaction”?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If there was only 7 slots in this game, I’d probably be voting BS for 26.

@BS, can you link me a town and scumgame of yours? Thanks.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i kinda like blatant scum asking to lynch rc actually

in terms of villageriness not agreeableness

Why?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i kinda like blatant scum asking to lynch rc actually

in terms of villageriness not agreeableness

Why?

How are you reading that as “villagery”?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If there was only 7 slots in this game, I’d probably be voting BS for 26.

I'm not sure I understand the correlation here.

He was the scummiest out of the 7 slots who had already posted.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i admittedly understand where bs is coming from and i'd be too scared or self conscious to come in and announce that

i want to lynch rc d1 as wolf

, given the backlash it caused immediately was pretty predictable; also how much he pursues that so confidently for 2 pages shows he genuinely believes it's a good decision?

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

I just finished a game with RC where scum wanted him dead. Policy lynching good scum players will just result in scum gamethrowing, so a really terrible idea, always.

But I wanted to policy lynch him because he is a good

town

player.

But he never called him a “wolf” sheep.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@sheep, there is literally no reason to think RC was a wolf. Based on an ISO of RC posts, did they read scummy to you, because I’m totally not following your train of thought at all here?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

Can I link you to Newsroom where scum!SS did precisely that?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i literally read like 2 of rc's posts

he was not wolfy to me

he was not wolfy to bs either who is the only one ive been talking about

But that’s why it made no sense for him to advocate a pl on him, based exactly on what you’ve posted here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

Can I link you to Newsroom where scum!SS did precisely that?

yes please

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=79327&user_select% ... &start=200

He didn’t go quite as far as calling for RC pl but heavily threw around paranoia on the slot but tbf town!SS did that too in Merchant’s Daughter.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

if someone's done it in the exact way matching the specific things im finding villagery then it would prolly make me think and not push this strongly later but i think with regards to a player newer to the site his entrance exemplified one of the towntells i search the hardest for on this site

Any other reads so far?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Official Vote Count 1.04

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Blatant Scum

(3): Pine, PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald

Pyrrha Nikos

(1): Dannflor

Not Voting

(5): Blatant Scum, sheepsaysmeep, eth0s, Pyrrha Nikos, Banakai

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-16 07:30:00).

Mod notes:

Gamma Emerald is the new RadiantCowbells.[/area]

Hey Dann, considering you made such a big deal wrt my RVS vote on you, why haven’t you unvoted me yet?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i kinda like your interactions with me it does feel like youre legitimately tryign to sort me out

nothign else

I would probably tl you atp if you hadn’t fooled me in two games back to back but you’re thought process seems townie.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

On a more serious note I get what BS was saying. I thought the logic was sound although I was uninterested in joining him. Dannflor does make me realize that the logic wasnt great. But I'm not sure if that's something BS was considering. I kinda think he truly believed his own logic regardless of his alignment

Gamma was right, the logic of lynching RC on D1 without even a single cause for suspicion, really made very little sense. I don’t know if he’s scum though. His reaction to it isn’t pinging me but the thing is he self-voted and put himself at L-1, so if he’s scum and that lynch would have gone through, it would look great for RC, so I’m thinking bad town over scum rn. I wish RC hadn’t have replaced out, because then we would know if BS continues to hardpush for this. If he did, it would be more than reasonable to assume he was probable scum. So now, we’ll never get to find that out.

I can hardpush Gamma if you want.

Why tf would I want you to do that? I never wanted you to push RC.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If there was only 7 slots in this game, I’d probably be voting BS for 26.

@BS, can you link me a town and scumgame of yours? Thanks.

Town games:
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=80916 (I was a little off-meta here)
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=80922
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81029

Scum games:
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81212

The scumgame link isn’t working.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

It works just fine for me. What does it do?

Nothing.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I didn't vote, because I wanted to discuss whether lynching RC is good idea day 1, rather than directly pushing his lynch.
PL lynching him tomorrow might end up into him being doused. Wastling 1 night to ignite RC stump might be worth for scum. Wastling 2 night probably not.
I didn't know that pushing a player outside of game is so easy. Hence, it was not my intention.

Yet, you didn't seem to be trying to discuss it. People had an abjectly negative reaction to the idea and you made wholly unproductive posts such as #53 and #59.

You're also either purposefully dumb-telling here or still haven't read the setup. Scum can only choose to prime

or

ignite once per night. They would have had to prime RC tonight, and then ignite the next night in order to kill him. It is impossible for anyone to die tonight.

What was your intention in self-voting, Blatant Scum?

Hey Dann, considering you made such a big deal wrt my RVS vote on you, why haven’t you unvoted me yet?

I might have switched to Blatant Scum, but considering he already self-voted once, it's not impossible he would self-hammer. I'm not exactly comfortable with him going beyond L-2 at this stage of the game.

@sheepsaysmeep, I can see the argument for Blatant Scum's, uh... blatant-ness being townie. However,

antics like linking this very game as his scum game

, self-voting to L-1, and his general tone read rather forced to me. It's hard for me to see townie motivation for those things.

Yeah, that is exactly what happened when I clicked that link. I thought it was just broken but it leads right back to this game. Weird huh?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

linking this very game as his scum game, self-voting to L-1, and his general tone read rather forced to me. It's hard for me to see townie motivation for those things.

meh agree to disagree
i find that this type of erratic behavior is generally too rash to be w shrug

@sheep, I couldn’t understand why the only link that didn’t seem to be working was the one to his scumgame but Dann is right, that link led straight back to this one. So, please explain to me why town!BS does that?

@Blatant Scum, why did you link THIS game as your scumgame?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@sheepsaysmeep, I can see the argument for Blatant Scum's, uh... blatant-ness being townie. However, antics like linking this very game as his scum game, self-voting to L-1, and his general tone read rather forced to me. It's hard for me to see townie motivation for those things

It's not forced

nor towny

.

What?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Official Vote Count 1.05

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Blatant Scum

(3): Pine, PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald

Pyrrha Nikos

(1): Dannflor

Not Voting

(5): Blatant Scum, sheepsaysmeep, eth0s, Pyrrha Nikos, Banakai

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-16 07:30:00).

Mod notes:

Gamma Emerald is the new RadiantCowbells.[/area]

Yes, yes, I can definitely see the similarities.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If there was only 7 slots in this game, I’d probably be voting BS for 26.

@BS, can you link me a town and scumgame of yours? Thanks.

Why does number of slots matter?

Att I made that post, only 7 slots had posted and imo, BS read to me as the scummiest slot and with the addition of sheep, still does.

Pyrrha
Gamma
Dann
sheep

are my current townblock.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pyyre strikes me as tryhard but tough to decide alignment

sheep strikes me as a town but bad at it

Blatant scum would be my biggest vote RN but I won't vote and leave him 1 away from death. -- also he's potentially just one of those trolly players, which I would normally like to lynch anyway (but in this game if we lynch him and hes town he sticks around)

my reads so far in conclusion:

pyrr: neutral, hard to read

RC's slot: medium to heavy town lean

sheep: medium town lean

blatantscum: heavy-ish scum lean

everybody else: I haven't decided

Why is sheep “town but bad at it”, because you disagree with his reads?

~Tryhard Pyrrha

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Blatant Scum, why did you link

THIS

game as your scumgame?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pyrrha was legitimately trying to sort me; this read is maybe a bit weaker pending them posting more

Can you expand on this? I read their interaction with you a few times and I don't see anything especially towny. Not saying it's scummy but talking about PL meta and asking for reads is like... Level 0 genuine sorting.

Ouch! Dann you wound me.

You’re also being a bit dense. If PP’s noise comment was in reference to me, than that goes double and triple for him. I’m kind of getting tired of having my sorting methods get shit on every damn game. :/

Although, I’m really happy Gamma is in this game, I’m really missing RC.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

what are your thoughts on my v reads rn

Eh I guess you are trying to some extent.

I'm interested in what Pyrrha thinks about this when she returns to the thread

I still think sheep is town here but I’m still not convinced on BS!town. Is he trolling us or scum?
Also agree on Dann.

I’m also tl Penguin. As scum he tends to be mostly useless. We’re mindmelding on Gamma strongly too - PP and me.

I liked Banaki’s entrance.

I’m currently finding Pine and Ethos to be the most underwhelming.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I believe his noise comment was about Blatant Scum's posting, which I agree with.

I'm not trying to shit on your sorting methods. I think you have some good methods. I just didn't see anything specifically in your interactions with sheep that made me go, "wow Pyrrha is town here!"

You obviously don’t know who I am but that’s good because I can’t become a better player by coasting on meta anyway.

Banaki referred to me as a “tryhard”, which definitely amused me because I just don’t care enough to bother doing that as scum. Activity isn’t AI for me but content definitely is.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Would that one post push him above null for you? Or not enough to do that?

i wouldnt say i v read him but at the same time he's better than other nulls

if that makes sense


also i would actually like to know everyones read on bs

I don’t know whether he’s scum or not but I probably don’t want him to get anywhere near LYLO.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Oh, Pyrrha, can you expand on your sheep town read for me?

I have never seen sheep play like this as scum and I’ve played with him numerous times as both alignments. He also gets mislynched a lot.

As scum, he’s been super scummy (really off and fake) - re: MBOS (Mystery Box of Silver 1)
Death tunnelly - ND (No Deadlines)
Coasting - UtS - Under the Sea

But here, he’s really efforting in a very clearly townie way.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

what are your thoughts on my v reads rn

Spoiler: My thoughts

bs is twtbw

dann's content is well thought out and some of his content is honestly just.. like too good to be fake

Um...have you met Dann?

I have a theory that might make sheep’s twtbaw theory actually make sense. On the chance that I’m right, BS might not be the best lynch today.

Spoiler:

I’d rather not elaborate but it’s directly connected to the setup.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Could you just tell me what twtbaw means?

Too wolfy to be a wolf

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Oof - alt using meta.

Need Pine to post so I can take him out of my pool. Need eth0s to do what he promised to do. Need Dann to be town and not a deepwolf (endgame matter). Need sheep to use real words.

I’ve only played one game on this account and no one on this playerlist was in it if I remember correctly, so I obviously can’t have meta reads based on that. You get a cookie.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Pine

Do something.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Could you just tell me what twtbaw means?

Too wolfy to be a wolf

I don't agree with this as an accurate read outside the Newbie queue (and even then, in limited circumstances).

If this setup was mountainous, I’d be in favour of powerlynching him but it’s not and that’s what’s giving me pause.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

But here, he’s really efforting in a very clearly townie way.

Sort of a strange thing to say without elaboration given a stated reason for my scum read on him is that I thought he

wasn't

efforting in a clearly townie way.

What is he doing specifically that you see as townie? Was it his engagement with you or something else?

PEDIT: agree re: the twbtw argument

I find BS' play itself not that indicative,

especially

if he has a history of roleplaying his "blatant scum" persona

Why is it strange, because I disagree with you? I have meta on sheep and this looks like his towngame to me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Pine

Do something.

Do you think voting a slot that is already not doing something encourages them to do something?

If he’s town this might light a fire under him to make himself more readable.

If he’s scum, that would also hopefully became more obvious.

Either way, I need him to be more readable - ergo beetlejuicing him

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Pyrrha, if BS is the Firefighter than he would claim it at L-1 and we would lynch elsewhere. Same as every other slot in the game. Why does the existence of that PR give you hesitance in going after a slot that would otherwise be a "powerlynch?"

Why is it strange, because I disagree with you? I have meta on sheep and this looks like his towngame to me.

No, not because you disagree with me. Because you didn't address the fact that I made the exact opposite point. I understand you have meta on sheep. I have meta on sheep too, and this looks like his scumgame to me.

What exactly about his play

in this game

do you find to be townie efforting? Just quote a few specific posts or talk about something specific he did. Meta aside please.

Okay, I see your point but he seems a lot more waffley and off in that game - coasty like UtS. If he starts making any suspicious pushes, I’ll re-evaluate.

Because I’ve seen tprs try to play scummy to avoid being NK’d but you do have a point. He should probably claim ff, if that is the case.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Sheep seems more sincere here than in the scumgame Dann linked.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

He should probably claim ff, if that is the case.

No. No one claims before L-1.

Well yeah I meant that. He’s still at L-2 now, right?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: pine there are 3 people I am willing to lynch today and Sheep is no longer included in that list.

3?

Btw, based on your analysis, I think you’ve probably never played with RC before. Why would he replace out as scum in particular, here?

No one was actually agreeing with BS about the pl thing, so what would he be “panicking” about?

Re: my comment. RC has a well deserved rep for being one of the best scum players onsite. My argument is that if we pl good scum players and completely ignore their play in the current game, it setup a climate, where players will play more to actively affect their meta, than to their ideal wincon. I think pling players based on what they did in past games, sets up a bad precedent.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

eth0s, your playstyle here is absolutely different from what I saw in vengeful mafia.

What was his playstyle in VM and what was his alignment was in that?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

gut says almost everyone who's been psoting is villa and gut also says it's not that easy idek

Highly unlikely and unless the scumteam is exactly BS/Pine, one or more of my tr is wrong.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

gut says almost everyone who's been psoting is villa and gut also says it's not that easy idek

Highly unlikely and unless the scumteam is exactly BS/Pine, one or more of my tr is wrong.

I would not balk very much at that team guess rn

Well, what gives me hesitation is that Pine left that vote on BS and hasn’t been back, which makes me question them being SvS.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Pine hasn’t been offsite if that is relevant.

mod, can you please prod Pine?

Thanks.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@sheep

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

There’s the fact he didn’t vote there though. I feel like he

would

have voted RC had he gotten support. That part seems wolfy to me.

i disagree but i like this read from you

@sheep

why do you disagree with this?

I want this question to stand out because I think the answer is important.

idk what answer you want

i just disagree that he needed to have voted there

I see Gamma and Ethos’ point. It is certainly odd to attempt to drive a lynch on another player and not vote them. In this particular case though, it isn’t the lack of a vote on RC that concerns me but the point Gamma made wrt to both the timing and context.

Because irrespective of BS’ alignment, both the timing and the context of the purported lynch, really make no sense, for the exact same reasons Gamma already pointed out.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i think it was more of a suggestion than an actual push and that it's being overexaggerated

Tell RC that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i think it was more of a suggestion than an actual push and that it's being overexaggerated

How about BS tells us what it was?

+1

@Ethos is right sheep. Regardless of your read on him, can you at least acknowledge you’re essentially splitting hairs here?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Blatant Scum,

can you give me a reads list with explanations?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

gut says almost everyone who's been psoting is villa and gut also says it's not that easy idek

Highly unlikely and unless the scumteam is exactly BS/Pine, one or more of my tr is wrong.

If you had to choose who do you think you would be wrong on?

I’m the most confident on Gamma. I’m probably not wrong on you or Penguin. If BS is town, sheep probably is as well, because I really can’t see scum!sheep going out on this kind of a limb. I obviously feel the least confident on slots I have no meta with and since I don’t see Pine/BS as SvS, maybe one of Banaki/Ethos is a deep wolf?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Blatant Scum,

can you give me a reads list with explanations?

I am not a good reader.

I don’t care, humour me then.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@BS, stop being so antitown already, I obviously am trying to correctly sort you. I don’t care of your reads are good or not.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@BS, stop being so antitown already, I obviously am trying to correctly sort you. I don’t care of your reads are good or not.

In the towngames of yours I ISO’d you had no problem making reads.

Maybe my non-bussing theory is wrong?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If BS is town, sheep probably is as well, because I really can’t see scum!sheep going out on this kind of a limb.

Did you read my reasoning on sheep? My scum read there kinda rests on BS being town. Do you disagree with my logic?

You said he’s playing here similar to that scumgame you linked and I’m not really seeing that at all. Based on that game in isolation, scum!sheep was clearly fake try harding in that. I still don’t understand why you linked that scumgame of his in particular?

I really don’t think scum!sheep goes out on this much of a limb to save town!BS. I’m also not saying they’re necessarily buddies if BS does wind up flipping scum but scum!sheep doesn’t go this much out to bat for town!BS. Unless, he’s completely switched up his scum meta, town!BS very likely = town!sheep. I actually don’t think their interactions seems like buddies either, based on BS’ reaction to sheep’s hard defending him.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

genuinely believes that everything he's been doing is protown

Doesn’t look like buddies.

Anyhow, barring a dramatic surge of blatant obvtowniness from Pine replacement, I’m happy where my vote is.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

look at us we're in character

Do you have any scumgames I could look at?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

look at us we're in character

Do you have any scumgames I could look at?

Also any reads?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i was

right

, too

Do you have any scumgame ever? I’ll take what I can get.

And while it’s of course nice you were right about a past game, I’m far more interested about what you think about THIS one.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i'm sure ive been scum before but dont think i owe you the labor of searching for a thread; if you're so interested in the info, you can look for it yourself

I have, that’s why I’m asking you.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

it's weird how seriously this post was taken
but if we BS intended us to

take it

as a sincere proposition, then i agree it comes off as disingenuous for reasons mentioned already (e.g., no vote)
still, i dunno if scum would be the type to make such a bold proposal - and the lack of vote probably reflects BS's own awareness that his idea was outlandish
lean town here

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

The fuck is this

VOTE: Blatant Scum

+1

FOS on BS for that post.

But I had towny intro - I reacted on a post in this thread!

was this a serious post or a joke?

@mod

i don't suppose you'll take this as actionable

interesting personality
i can't cop a read off of this, but it does seem a bizarre overreaction

VOTE: Pine

Do something.

ah do people still do this?
you did do that FOS earlier too i guess

It's an attempt to get people to firm up what they are actually saying and create information for later review. Like - what happens when BS gets put to L-1? Does it fall apart? If it falls apart, who becomes the next wagon? Who moves where? This is good information.

You keep repeating it's an attempt to accelerate a lynch and that's just not factually true.[/quote]
oh hey you did this in that other game
guys! he did this in that other game
was a bit annoying though
like you were trying to make fetch happen
you can't just

make

fetch happen

***

Spoiler:

mmmm you all seem pretty town! sure hate games like that, but they're pretty familiar. it's been so long from my last game but it still seems i subconsciously avoid scumreading people at all costs. think i can play a mean poe game though![/quote]

Spoiler:

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@BS, stop being so antitown already, I obviously am trying to correctly sort you. I don’t care of your reads are good or not.

In the towngames of yours I ISO’d you had no problem making reads.

Maybe my non-bussing theory is wrong?

I made some reads, cause town to lose the game, decided to change strategy from reader to mech player.
Right now my strategy is to find a strong town read and then sheep it.
I will probably sheep Dennflor this game.
-
Do you want me to try to do a (shitty) read list (which I am likely to ignore in the future since even I won't trust it)?

It’s more about correctly sorting you then relying on their accuracy.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Banakai
BS seems to be losing steam and I feel like his Dann push is actually somewhat sketchy, he looks like he is grasping for straws.

Well that “fake townslip” thing is a really bad read. I didn’t know scum didn’t have daychat either, so it only strengthened my Dann tr.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I miss Vedith

We all have a little Vedith deep down inside of us.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Speaking of, we getting a rainbow reads list after Pine posts, Penguin?

You can be my new Vedith:

Spoiler:

{Dannflor}

{Psyche}

{Gamma Emerald, Pyrrha Nikos}

{Plotinus, Vedith}

{ }

{Banakai, Sheep}

{eth0s}

{Blatant Scum}

You seem to have same people in "the scummiest" and "the towniest" position as I have.

And you’re in last place in both of them.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeah banakai's dann read is kinda ass but my hesitancy is that it's so against the general consensus

It just seems so forced though

There was also his rather odd post calling me a “tryhard”, could have been an attempt to discredit solvey town?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

It just seems so forced though

idk how it's forced. I'll admit it's a bit weak. I wasn't trying to convince anyone to vote him, I still think BS would be a better overall lynch. I just wanted to get it out there that I saw some peculiar behavior in him. I know most people are and were town reading him, and I'm going to mostly trust their judgement for now until I see more shady shit. I just don't think he's such obv town like everyone else seems to think.

why do you think I would try to "force" a scum read on one of the most town-read players in the game.

Throwing RVS in to your point about asking about votes when it is not involved at all and calling something out as a fake townslip when there’s nothing that makes it less of a possible scum post at the surface level tells me you are trying way to hard to justify yourself.

I didn't throw RVS into anything. Dan mentioned multiple times that he wanted more RVS votes, when the game had already moved far passed that stage. That's what my point was with that.

I said it "reads to me" like a fake townslip. I didn't say it was. to me, "oh I didn't know the scum mechanics" is a common thing scum would say to seem town.

Except he never actually said that, did he? How does it make any sense for scum!Dann to make that adamant statement about how he can’t be BS’ partner, in order to then turn it into a deliberate dumbtell?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Banakai, this might seem random, but has your Pyrrha read evolved at all?

Good question, my gut has been all over the place on pyyrha. I think I might have a neutral to slight town lean. Looking at her posts, I see a lot of questions, most of which are good questions.I'm just not sure because

I don't see a lot of strong stances taken, or personal opinions given, which concerns me a little bit

. Maybe she's a player who holds on to their opinions for a long time until they are really nessacary?

Elaborate.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

The lack of RVS votes is just odd.

Assuming this is what Banakai is referencing, this isn’t calling for RVS votes at all. It’s noting that RVS not happening is unusual.
And Dann could easily make that post as scum, like super easily, to the point that it wouldn’t be valid as a “fake townslip” if that was the case. It’s just scum commenting on something they already knew. Now if he had asked about it, then it would have made more sense. But he didn’t, and it came up in a way he wasn’t at all planning on. So no, that’s not a fake townslip. In fact I feel like writing this out has made me realize it holds more weight as a real townslip. Gratz.

+1

So, I’m trying to decide if Banaki has bad reads here or is scum?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeah banakai's dann read is kinda ass but my hesitancy is that it's so against the general consensus

Who are you currently scumleaning?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I've been around, I haven't posted much because I haven't had much to say

I still think sheep is maybe the most towny

I still think BS is scummy, although I understand now that's part of his playstyle, it really seemed like in the beginning he was actually trying to be town-ish (I don't see the RC thing as strictly scummy, perhaps a bit trolly) and then later once people started talking about and suspecting him, he really started playing up the "scummy" playstyle (claiming scum etc).

I also think dan is a little sus, but everybody else is reading him as town it seems. he's definitely a player I've got my eye on.

I'll admit I feel a little stumped (no pun intended) right now. maybe I'm rusty because I'm not getting much out of the last few pages, it just seems like the same conversations going on and on. glad we are getting some more posts from less active people. Eth0s is a slight town lean for me (although I'd like if he answered my question about his vote), hope we'll hear from pine soon.

Can you give a current readslist?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

Spoiler: re-read

BS - First person to really break away from RVS and it was in his first two posts. Suggests lynching and sheeping RC if he greenflips.

RC - Clearly agitated by BS, probably NAI as a whole and someone later mentions it is within RC meta to be upset when targetted like he was. I have also dealt with this firsthand but am still not convinced that it can be found as AI.

Pine - Immediately jumps on BS for his suggestion against RC. Could be opportunistic.

Pyrrha -

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

I just finished a game with RC where scum wanted him dead. Policy lynching good scum players will just result in scum gamethrowing, so a really terrible idea, always.

not really sure what this means. Elaborate?

BS - 27 really lays on the "scummy player" flavor more than I have noticed from him in the past. Page 2 as a whole is where I get the sense that he thinks his logic is townie regardless of alignment.

24 is a really confusing post

yeah

Gamma - "You see you don’t BoP PL a player on D1, you do it D3 when they haven’t led a lynch on scum yet" this makes quite a lot of sense and even if it's his own slot he's talking about I still like the post.

Dannflor - 82 is good. I think it eliminates the idea of a BS/dann team. It could be very wolfy but I think it's too early to tell, so I will take it at face value as town.

Pyrrha - 89 and 91 read very awkwardly. And a simple unvote feels forced, or like she did it out of fear/pressure from dann? 94 feels like beating around the bush and doesn't do anything to answer why she is sticking out an RVS vote while having a legit FoS on BS. 96 feels out of place.

Wait a second.

Forest fires create CO₂

CO₂ destroys the ozone layer

The ozone layer preserves the arctic regions

The arctic regions are where penguins live

UNVOTE:

His power is for the good of tree-kind this game. Or he's one sick and twisted penguin.

Time will tell.

You aren’t by any chance a Jingle alt, right?

I am not a Jingle alt

-- on a side note I think that dannflor should be the one held to any sort of BoP PL if that's what it comes down to. Even if that happens I would like to follow Gamma's rule of thumb --

On a more serious note I get what BS was saying. I thought the logic was sound although I was uninterested in joining him. Dannflor does make me realize that the logic wasnt great. But I'm not sure if that's something BS was considering. I kinda think he truly believed his own logic regardless of his alignment

Gamma was right, the logic of lynching RC on D1 without even a single cause for suspicion, really made very little sense. I don’t know if he’s scum though. His reaction to it isn’t pinging me but the thing is he self-voted and put himself at L-1, so if he’s scum and that lynch would have gone through, it would look great for RC, so I’m thinking bad town over scum rn. I wish RC hadn’t have replaced out, because then we would know if BS continues to hardpush for this. If he did, it would be more than reasonable to assume he was probable scum. So now, we’ll never get to find that out.

I think given BS behavior up until replacement it's pretty safe to assume he was going to push RC as long as he felt the lynch possible

-- Pyrrha's page 5 continues to feel overly cautious --

sheep - 117 essentially restates what Gamma said in a roundabout way, regarding BS. But also essentially restates what I said regarding the genuinity of BS logic. However he does come to conclude BS as town as a result, which I don't think either I or Gamma explicitly did. On the whole I don't really understand or agree with sheep's logic on page 5. I think something is lost in translation between sheep and pyrra here and kind of makes the discussion feel useless.

BS - in 131 "I didn't vote, because I wanted to discuss whether lynching RC is good idea day 1, rather than directly pushing his lynch." I actually start second guessing my assumption that he thought the logic was genuine. If he really thought it was a good move I think he would have voted him. I somehow missed the fact that BS self-voted and never voted RC. I need to think about this slot more now. Continues to lay on the scummy flavor in an awkward way in 139 and 141.

bs not having wolfed on this site reinforces my read on how confident and unreserved he opened considering this a pretty respectable playerlist

This seems like a pretty genuine thought

linking this very game as his scum game, self-voting to L-1, and his general tone read rather forced to me. It's hard for me to see townie motivation for those things.

meh agree to disagree
i find that this type of erratic behavior is generally too rash to be w shrug

The main reason I disagree with his behavior here as making him town is he's sort of a walking contradiction. "Let's PL RC because town paranoia could get him (mis)lynched at a more pivotal point in time if we don't" yet he is creating a bunch of paranoia over his own slot by acting intentionally scummy, which in turn sets himself up to be lynched over paranoia. I think town!him would consider how a potential mislynch while also cementing himself as a liability is a bad way to handle D1.

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

There’s the fact he didn’t vote there though. I feel like he

would

have voted RC had he gotten support. That part seems wolfy to me.

i disagree but i like this read from you

@sheep

why do you disagree with this?

Banakai - 169 to 172: Weird gut feelings about 169 and 170. They both feel manufactured at a glance. 171 I disagree with actually. I think as town in RC's position I would not be as concerned as I would as scum. At least if I read Blatant's early content as genuinely believing the logic to be sound (like I did) then I would just allow the lynch to go through as I will have a strong towny voice for the rest of the game. Or make the scum waste a prime on a stump. Yes it's annoying to be ML'ed like that but you can still contribute to the game.
However if I'm scum in RC's position and still read BS the same way then I would be panicking because town being in agreement with BS could simply take me out of the game early and severely hurt my team's chance at winning.
It's hard to say how this applies to RC though as he undoubtedly plays this game in a different way than I do. I guess knowing how RC would read blatant scum would be the only real way to gain any real AI intel on him.
172: "Blatant scum would be my biggest vote RN but I won't vote and leave him 1 away from death. -- also he's potentially just one of those trolly players, which I would normally like to lynch anyway (but in this game if we lynch him and hes town he sticks around)" This assumes BS to continue "trolling" after death which I heavily do not agree with.

Penguin -

Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative. I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.

Let's not leave it at that since you brought it up. It happened over the course of 2ish hours - read: quickly. Very likely that you weren't even present before or during the interaction.

This is a hot take. I believe this also eliminates the possibility of a PP/dann team?

Banakai - 185 is good at face value but I will want to revisit it later

I mean you didn't talk about why you found anyone else above null - and it's pretty easy to pick up on - so, no I don't really feel like it.

I find it laughable that you and pyrrha have such strong reads right now. Two slots haven't even generated any content and one is just creating noise.

Sheep being dann's lynch of choice and Penguin being skeptical of dann makes me feel a little weird about this interaction as a whole. I can't put my finger on my feelings yet.

genuinely believes that everything he's been doing is protown

Yeah uh sheep you kinda have been contradicted by the person you are defending

me too though? although I wouldn't call it defending in my case as I haven't TR'ed BS

I find it interesting that both Banaki and Ethos keep accusing me of being overly cautious, waffley, whatever - a stance none of my stronger tr seems to share. Hmmm . . .

[Pyrrha Nikos]

UNVOTE:

Psyche’s looking better.

I’m currently leaning either Ethos or Banaki. Banaki’s reads kind of suck but Ethos feels more off, I can’t really explain why.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Ethos

[Pyrrha Nikos]

even 200 posts in he's still advocating for RVS votes. Why do you want people to vote so bad? idk seems kinda scummy to me. Usually town wants to hold off lynching someone until close to the deadline.

Is he advocating for RVS votes though? People placing votes and seeing how the wagons develop is useful when looking back. I don't see how encouraging it is scummy.

Penguin, I am very confused on what your read on Dann is supposed to be.

I think that’s pretty damned obvious.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Sort of think scum!Banakai just goes with the consensus reads instead of defending this

i would v read if he confidently defended instead of backing up saying his w read isn’t confident he just wanted to post it

VOTE: bankai

will go through him again when im on a laptop

Sell me on Banaki over Ethos.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

even 200 posts in he's still advocating for RVS votes. Why do you want people to vote so bad? idk seems kinda scummy to me. Usually town wants to hold off lynching someone until close to the deadline.

Is he advocating for RVS votes though? People placing votes and seeing how the wagons develop is useful when looking back. I don't see how encouraging it is scummy.

Penguin, I am very confused on what your read on Dann is supposed to be.

I think that’s pretty damned obvious.

I asked this before I got to the readlist.

What are you getting so flip floppy aggressive on me all of the sudden for anyway?

What? How am I’m being “flip floppy”? And how is this even remotely “aggressive”? I obviously didn’t know you hadn’t seen the readslist when you posted that. Why so defensive?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

even 200 posts in he's still advocating for RVS votes. Why do you want people to vote so bad? idk seems kinda scummy to me. Usually town wants to hold off lynching someone until close to the deadline.

Is he advocating for RVS votes though? People placing votes and seeing how the wagons develop is useful when looking back. I don't see how encouraging it is scummy.

Penguin, I am very confused on what your read on Dann is supposed to be.

I think that’s pretty damned obvious.

I asked this before I got to the readlist.

What are you getting so flip floppy aggressive on me all of the sudden for anyway?

What? How am I’m being “flip floppy”? And how is this even remotely “aggressive”? I obviously didn’t know you hadn’t seen the readslist when you posted that. Why so defensive?

it's just a part of it. You went from liking my catch up and more or less agreeing with me, thinking my thoughts on BS were valid, to voting me. And given the context of 393 (as I was catching up on the last few pages chronologically) I think it was pretty obvious that I hadn't seen the readlist yet. Just felt like a snide remark with the hopes of discrediting me, even if only a little bit.

A) That was prior to Psyche replace in and B) I’m not or ever claimed to be a goddamned mindreader, so why do you think I should know it was “obvious”? You’re basically calling me a liar here, so if anyone is doing any discrediting here, it isn’t me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Sort of think scum!Banakai just goes with the consensus reads instead of defending this

i would v read if he confidently defended instead of backing up saying his w read isn’t confident he just wanted to post it

VOTE: bankai

will go through him again when im on a laptop

Sell me on Banaki over Ethos.

why does someone need to "sell you" on voting on someone other than someone that you "just feel weird about idk"?

Because contrary to your misinterpreting of my posting, I’m sincerely trying to figure out the best vote. It comes down to a question of POE and you are one of the slots currently lowest on my list. Does this mean I’m confident on it? Of course not but I am just way more confident about higher reads.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Ethos, @Banaki, can you please link me to some town and scum games of yours? Tyvm.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeah banakai's dann read is kinda ass but my hesitancy is that it's so against the general consensus

Sort of think scum!Banakai just goes with the consensus reads instead of defending this

i would v read if he confidently defended instead of backing up saying his w read isn’t confident he just wanted to post it

VOTE: bankai

will go through him again when im on a laptop

What happened in those almost 7 hours to change your mind?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

even 200 posts in he's still advocating for RVS votes. Why do you want people to vote so bad? idk seems kinda scummy to me. Usually town wants to hold off lynching someone until close to the deadline.

Is he advocating for RVS votes though? People placing votes and seeing how the wagons develop is useful when looking back. I don't see how encouraging it is scummy.

Penguin, I am very confused on what your read on Dann is supposed to be.

I think that’s pretty damned obvious.

I asked this before I got to the readlist.

What are you getting so flip floppy aggressive on me all of the sudden for anyway?

What? How am I’m being “flip floppy”? And how is this even remotely “aggressive”? I obviously didn’t know you hadn’t seen the readslist when you posted that. Why so defensive?

it's just a part of it. You went from liking my catch up and more or less agreeing with me, thinking my thoughts on BS were valid, to voting me. And given the context of 393 (as I was catching up on the last few pages chronologically) I think it was pretty obvious that I hadn't seen the readlist yet. Just felt like a snide remark with the hopes of discrediting me, even if only a little bit.

A) That was prior to Psyche replace in and B) I’m not or ever claimed to be a goddamned mindreader, so why do you think I should know it was “obvious”? You’re basically calling me a liar here, so if anyone is doing any discrediting here, it isn’t me.

Considering my posts were referencing things in posting order and my next post was referencing the readlist, I thought it was pretty obvious.

Me saying that something felt like a snide, discrediting comment is different than me accusing you of actually doing it. I was explaining my POV. Who's being defensive again?

I also never called you a liar or implied it.

I said I didn’t know you hadn’t seen Penguin’s readlist. Do you believe me or not?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Ethos, @Banaki, can you please link me to some town and scum games of yours? Tyvm.

Anything I could link you could be selective and I could just play by/against whatever meta it is to influence how you see me though? Like why don't you just look for it yourself?

Why would it be “selective” if you’re town? And because it’s less work.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

search.php?author_id=30856&sr=topics

go crazy

I asked you for a town and scum game and you link me you’re ISO? I don’t need a link to that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeah banakai's dann read is kinda ass but my hesitancy is that it's so against the general consensus

Sort of think scum!Banakai just goes with the consensus reads instead of defending this

i would v read if he confidently defended instead of backing up saying his w read isn’t confident he just wanted to post it

VOTE: bankai

will go through him again when im on a laptop

What happened in those almost 7 hours to change your mind?

nothing; the first post is an overall statement of disliking


talk to me about ethos? i could be convinced either way theyre somewhat under my radar

Well for one thing, they’re being over the top defensive about everything also a bit of a gutread. Granted it’s not strong. They’re entire play just seem kind of off to me. Also ditto to what Penguin already said.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Ethos, @Banaki, can you please link me to some town and scum games of yours? Tyvm.

Anything I could link you

could

be selective and I could just play by/against whatever meta it is to influence how you see me though? Like why don't you just look for it yourself?

Why

would

it be “selective” if you’re town? And because it’s less work.

see bold underlines.

If I'm scum I can show you whatever I want you to see. If I'm town then I show you which games exactly?

This too kind of pings me. Because when I get asked this as town, I usually just look for the most recent ones, when scum, I am obviously a lot more careful. I wouldn’t have read into anything specific regardless of which games you had linked.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

im ready to say that banakai is very probably town
BS is not very probably town he just leans that way
can't confirm dann yet as he'd be good at scum; his anticipation of potential scumreading of his posts could reflect a scum mindset but probably doesn't
gamma emerald's iso is a bunch of oneliners i don't really

get

much from; if i had to vigshot someone right now it'd probably be him. But I'm not yet at the point where I can credibly advocate for his lynch. he replaced RC though, so I'll have to untangle that whole thing at some point.
Leaves about 3 people still unconsidered

Well, I’m really glad you’re not a vig then, since Gamma is one of my most confident tr.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Ethos, @Banaki, can you please link me to some town and scum games of yours? Tyvm.

again my last games were in 2014, 5 years ago when I was 15 years old. Now it's 5 years later and I'm turning twenty, if you really think that I'll have acted the same 5 years ago as I am today, go back and find it.

Granted, it’s far from optimal but it’s still arguably better than absolutely nothing.

Why are so many people being so unreasonably difficult about this? :/

Just find me one. Any one, I don’t really care which. *sigh*

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: eth0s

My first guess for a scum team was actually Pyrrha/sheepsaysmeep, Pyrrha being my spicier scum read

. I'm now feeling better about both of their slots though so it's quite likely I'm just wrong in some places.

at this stage I'd be ok with [BS, Dan, Eth0s] with dan and Eth0s being roughly tied

Why aren't you voting one of these places? I know I know you don't want to lynch someone so early. But votes are a tool, why don't you use them to help sort this group of three?

Are you seriously kidding me, Dann? Why? Well I guess that definitely settles it then, you clearly haven’t figured out my main, because if you had you’d almost certainly be tr me here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@mod, V/LA through 11/11.

he replaced RC though, so I'll have to untangle that whole thing at some point.

BTW, I forget if I commented on this earlier but the replace out by RC should not be read as indicative either way. Gamma should be generating enough content to be readable on his own anyway.

V/LA noted --P

While I know RC replacing out in general is NAI, in this case I’d have to disagree with you. BS self-voted and put himself at L-1. I don’t see why scum!RC wouldn’t have hammered that in a heartbeat.

But definitely agree, Gamma’s play obviously should always trumps speculation on RC replace out. However, both are lining up for me so far.

Wow, so two people with not so great reads: Psyche on Gamma and Dann on me. So BS if you’re actually town here, maybe sheep Penguin instead.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

RC was already on BS when the self vote happened

But didn’t he unvote before replacing out?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

if you make another post about policy lynching me i'm going to policy lynch you

VOTE: BS

yeah you know what nah

UNVOTE:

hf guys, sorry everyone I asked to join.

This really doesn’t sound like scum!RC to me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

RC was already on BS when the self vote happened

But didn’t he unvote before replacing out?

Yes? Like are you thinking RC’s buddy would have hammered?

No, I don’t think RC was scum and no I also don’t think he’s linked with BS.

In general: waffley RC=town!RC. Deathtunnelly RC/whiny RC - far more likely to be scum!RC. See GS.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Nancy, I knew who you were from the first post you made in this game haha

I didn’t say I scum read you because I knew you wouldn’t like it and I wanted to wait and see if I was wrong. Turns out I’ve come around to town reading you. Still got a little of that Merchant’s Daughter paranoia going on so it takes me a bit sometimes to be confident on you

I don’t think I’m playing anything like MD but I really wish you hadn’t have outed me. :/

I never effort this much as scum because lazy.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: pyrrha

LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

OMGUS much?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Psyche you wanna get in on this pyrrha wagon?

Hey Psyche wanna help me mislynch obvtown?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeeeeeeeeeeet

No one is tr your enthusiasm for your blatant attempt at trying to mislynching me. If I wasn’t already sl you, I’d be convinced you had no clue how to scumhunt but then I wouldn’t want to get into trouble for insulting your

intelligence

ability to play mafia properly.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Ethos, jsyk, this cringeworthy push hasn’t changed my read on you one iota. If you think I’m somehow now tr you for this and considering unvoting you, then BS should give YOU lessons in reading a room.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@mod, V/LA through 11/11.

he replaced RC though, so I'll have to untangle that whole thing at some point.

BTW, I forget if I commented on this earlier but the replace out by RC should not be read as indicative either way. Gamma should be generating enough content to be readable on his own anyway.

V/LA noted --P

it's more likely from scum than town i think

Have you ever even played with RC before? This specific kind of backtracking points to town!RC, plus Gamma’s been my scumbuddy 3 times now, so I’m pretty sure I know how to read him.

You don’t roll scum with the same player scum 3 times and not know how to read them. Creature doesn’t count, since his meta drastically changed since I rolled scum with him over a year ago.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

It’s cool. I knew too.

Am I really that obvious?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Nancy, I knew who you were from the first post you made in this game haha

I didn’t say I scum read you because I knew you wouldn’t like it and I wanted to wait and see if I was wrong. Turns out I’ve come around to town reading you. Still got a little of that Merchant’s Daughter paranoia going on so it takes me a bit sometimes to be confident on you

I don’t think I’m playing anything like MD but I really wish you hadn’t have outed me. :/

I never effort this much as scum because lazy.

I don’t think you are either anymore! There was just some stuff early game I was questioning.

Sorry for outing you, I didn’t realize that was a secret alt.

It’s not necessarily secret but not public knowledge either. RC knew who I was. If you remember his post from bp telling me to check Discord? He was telling me to confirm for this game. Gamma also figured it out pregame. I’m also assuming sheep has to know as well.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Ethos’ spamming up the thread with multiple posts of blatantly faked enthusiasm, really clinches it for me. Out of nowhere, he decides to drive a mislynch on me as a extremely thinly veiled OMGUS. I don’t know whether to be amused or smdh that he seriously thinks everyone has suddenly gotten lobotomies.

But I’ll humour him anyway just for the lulz.

Okay @Ethos, what exactly do you find scummy about my play and be forewarned, I refuse to accept “YEET” as a valid answer.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Pine

Do something.

UNVOTE:

Psyche’s looking better.

I’m currently leaning either Ethos or Banaki. Banaki’s reads kind of suck but Ethos feels more off, I can’t really explain why.

i dont like her going from voting pine as a way of prodding him into activity to unvoting me w the implication that her vote was more substantial than that — seems disingenuous

otherwise the iso is pretty earnest; seems it could easily be town

Pine was last in my POE att. It’s as simple as that. Unlike him, you seemed to be seriously trying to figure out this game, so I unvoted. I’m also not going to ignore my strongest tr reads, who were tr your entrance.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...

(1) Asking questions when the answers are readily available

,

(2) saying something is important but not really pressing it or doing anything with it (299)

,

(3) voting Psyche but not engaging with him at all

, not really pushing anyone really...even your catchup was a regurgitation of the game state and not really your stances.

(4) What are they by the way?

You said you would be willing to lynch 3 players but didn't actually take the time to say who they were.

And, sorry - why are you voting Psyche again? And, I swear to god, if you say opportunistic in your answer I am going to GIFslap you so hard.

1: Citation needed.

2: are you really suggesting that I had no purpose with that? Or that perhaps the answer given didn't do anything to progress where I was going? Weak point.

3: I really thought the reason I voted pine was pretty self-explanatory

4: what are yours? I remember a readlist with no explanation and some side commentary but.. that's about it

penguin can be scum with pyrrha tbh

I still think you’re scum here fr but I really want to see if any towngames actually exist where you are seriously this bad at mafia. Probably more scum flailing than dumb town but eh?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

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Oh Lol, this explains so much. I think I’m townlocking Penguin and never unvoting Ethos until he’s flipped.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80259&start=100

Oh Lol, this explains so much. I think I’m townlocking Penguin and never unvoting Ethos until he’s flipped.

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Actually he also does this dumb OMGUS thing as town but while his reaction as town was also over the top, he reacted like I do as town. Town!him’s is way more likely to think you’re braindead for voting him than automatically trying to drive a mislynch on a slot for pretty much no reason whatsoever.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Lmao @ Penguin. Okay Banaki, I’ll let it go. It’s just that I find meta really helpful when I haven’t played with someone before.

If Ethos flips town here, I will be legit shocked. Penguin nailed it, he isn’t doing any actual sorting. He acts like he’s invested but his reads are basically empty with very little logical reasoning for pretty much anything.

@Banaki, sure it’s “dumb” and I’m sure he is well aware of it. He is making this out of left field nonsense push on me out of basic desperation to get tr for hard pushing anyone, whether he has any actual reason to do it is apparently besides the point. He’s counting on someone tr him for this, based on just that: it being so unbelievably dumb.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...

(1) Asking questions when the answers are readily available

,

(2) saying something is important but not really pressing it or doing anything with it (299)

,

(3) voting Psyche but not engaging with him at all

, not really pushing anyone really...even your catchup was a regurgitation of the game state and not really your stances.

(4) What are they by the way?

You said you would be willing to lynch 3 players but didn't actually take the time to say who they were.

And, sorry - why are you voting Psyche again? And, I swear to god, if you say opportunistic in your answer I am going to GIFslap you so hard.

1: Citation needed.

2: are you really suggesting that I had no purpose with that? Or that perhaps the answer given didn't do anything to progress where I was going? Weak point.

3: I really thought the reason I voted pine was pretty self-explanatory

4: what are yours? I remember a readlist with no explanation and some side commentary but.. that's about it

penguin can be scum with pyrrha tbh

This 100% reads like a scum post. Town rarely reacts this way. Town asks why do you think this? Here is why I did ___. Scum otoh hands just deflects and turns it on the accuser. How dare you express even the mildest suspicion me for my uberscummy play? You obviously have to be scum. If I AtE loud and long enough, maybe you actually might be fooled into actually believe I mean anything that I’m saying.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeeeeeeeeeeet

No one is tr your enthusiasm for your blatant attempt at trying to mislynching me. If I wasn’t already sl you, I’d be convinced you had no clue how to scumhunt but then I wouldn’t want to get into trouble for insulting your

intelligence

ability to play mafia properly.

Die scum

I’m convinced.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Ethos’ spamming up the thread with multiple posts of blatantly faked enthusiasm, really clinches it for me. Out of nowhere, he decides to drive a mislynch on me as a extremely thinly veiled OMGUS. I don’t know whether to be amused or smdh that he seriously thinks everyone has suddenly gotten lobotomies.

But I’ll humour him anyway just for the lulz.

Okay @Ethos,

what exactly do you find scummy about my play

and be forewarned, I refuse to accept “YEET” as a valid answer.

This isnt my scum game yeet

I’m scum here because this isn’t your scumgame. Okay, makes sense.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Pyrrha flipped out really hard when I voted her. Like that reaction is a yikes

A) I didn’t “flip out”. B) You tried to drive a mislynch on me. Stop insulting everyone’s intelligence already.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

eth0s, can you expand on why you think Pyrrha is scum?

I’m not really seeing it off that one post you quoted

I would really love to know that too. What is abundantly clear to me is that he views me as both a threat to him and he’s trying to push my mislynch to save himself.

His push on me is 100% a scum push. Not even a single iota of any attempt to correctly sort me or re-evaluate anything. I could post my role pm and he would still find a way to try to convince all of you that you’re colourblind.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

a part of me wants to think that he's doing this to become a stump, but also I think that's a terrible move as town, it's not like were finding any interesting information. It's just Ethos acting very blatantly scummy, and then what? is he gonna be a stump and say "hey vote these guys cause they voted me when I acted blatantly scummy"

I really don’t see this at all. If you were referring to BS’ play otoh, I could definitely see it but I really think Ethos is hoping that if he keeps up this nonsense, people will tr him for apparently sounding so convinced.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

if pyrrha's nancy then she's been meta clear for the last 50 years why have i been trying

Yes and I don’t understand the rest of this?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i have no understanding wtf ethos is doing

i dont necessarily find that fact scum indicative but in this case it bothers me somewhat

i still dislike banakai's iso

i think of everyone in the list he stands out as the most lacking in content/effort to advance the game or actual hard stances or reads

You’re saying you think Ethos is maybe TWTBAW? I dunno, there’s been something off of his entire ISO. It just reads really fake to me. You could also be right about Banaki but I dunno?


But yeah agree, everyone reads townier to me. I just find that everytime I think the game is an easy solve, I’ve been proven wrong. Newsroom was an exception to that as I correctly and easily nailed both scum in that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i have no understanding wtf ethos is doing

i dont necessarily find that fact scum indicative but in this case it bothers me somewhat

i still dislike banakai's iso

i think of everyone in the list he stands out as the most lacking in content/effort to advance the game or actual hard stances or reads

You’re saying you think Ethos is maybe TWTBAW? I dunno, there’s been something off of his entire ISO. It just reads really fake to me. You could also be right about Banaki but I dunno?


But yeah agree, everyone reads townier to me. I just find that everytime I think the game is an easy solve, I’ve been proven wrong. Newsroom was an exception to that as I correctly and easily nailed both scum in that.

Actually sorry, you’re not saying that about Ethos. It’s Banaki who is suggesting that Ethos is trying to get tree stumped, which I don’t see at all.

Hot take: maybe Ethos and Banaki could be the scumteam?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

people will tr him for apparently sounding so convinced.

thats actually the reason im not voting him

sheep pyrrha dann
bs
pp gemma psyche
ethos banakai

Our reads are not disimilar, except mine are:

Pyrrha

Gamma
Dann/Penguin
sheep

BS/Psyche

Banaki
Ethos

Especially after Banaki’s post about Ethos trying to get tree stumped. I see absolutely no reason to think that. If Ethos flips scum, Banaki could definitely be a buddy based on that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

talk to me about gamma and penguin

wheres your null line on that list?

I have both as hard town. This game reminds me of Penguin’s LNT and I both hard gutread RC’s post when he unvoted BS and Gamma based on rolling scum 3 times with him - 2 of them, pretty recently. If you’ve ever been scum with Gamma, he isn’t that hard to read.

My null line is BS/Psyche. Based on lack of meta and being less confident on them.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

people will tr him for apparently sounding so convinced.

thats actually the reason im not voting him

Definitely town ftr.

Not interested in lynching Gamma, Dann, Penguin, sheep.

Extremely confident, this is all town.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

Like I get called out by multiple people for my vote on pine, which was just a pressure vote to get the slot to do something. Pyrrha was voting him for the same reason and no one cared.

Originally pyrrha just votes me because "Ethos feels more off, I can’t really explain why."
Maybe not relevant but she waits 11 minutes to vote me after saying that.

even 200 posts in he's still advocating for RVS votes. Why do you want people to vote so bad? idk seems kinda scummy to me. Usually town wants to hold off lynching someone until close to the deadline.

Is he advocating for RVS votes though? People placing votes and seeing how the wagons develop is useful when looking back. I don't see how encouraging it is scummy.

Penguin, I am very confused on what your read on Dann is supposed to be.

I think that’s pretty damned obvious.

and I still don't understand the point of posting this right after voting me? it's like shading me for not seeing something? absolutely what would I have to gain as scum not seeing penguins readlist yet?

search.php?author_id=30856&sr=topics

go crazy

I asked you for a town and scum game and you link me you’re ISO? I don’t need a link to that.

pretends to care about meta enough that she has asked like 3 people for examples of their meta yet won't even take 2 minutes to find it herself. probably because she doesn't really care about it and is scum anyway.

@Ethos, @Banaki, can you please link me to some town and scum games of yours? Tyvm.

Anything I could link you

could

be selective and I could just play by/against whatever meta it is to influence how you see me though? Like why don't you just look for it yourself?

Why

would

it be “selective” if you’re town? And because it’s less work.

see bold underlines.

If I'm scum I can show you whatever I want you to see. If I'm town then I show you which games exactly?

This too kind of pings me. Because when I get asked this as town, I usually just look for the most recent ones, when scum, I am obviously a lot more careful. I wouldn’t have read into anything specific regardless of which games you had linked.

this is just a weak thing to point out like seriously. last scum game I played I linked my most recent games when someone asked. I never ask people for examples of their own games because it's so fucking easy to find myself, and I didn't feel like pyrrha was asking in good faith and she confirms it through later behavior.

Ethos’ spamming up the thread with multiple posts of blatantly faked enthusiasm, really clinches it for me. Out of nowhere, he decides to drive a mislynch on me as a extremely thinly veiled OMGUS. I don’t know whether to be amused or smdh that he seriously thinks everyone has suddenly gotten lobotomies.

But I’ll humour him anyway just for the lulz.

Okay @Ethos, what exactly do you find scummy about my play and be forewarned, I refuse to accept “YEET” as a valid answer.

Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...

(1) Asking questions when the answers are readily available

,

(2) saying something is important but not really pressing it or doing anything with it (299)

,

(3) voting Psyche but not engaging with him at all

, not really pushing anyone really...even your catchup was a regurgitation of the game state and not really your stances.

(4) What are they by the way?

You said you would be willing to lynch 3 players but didn't actually take the time to say who they were.

And, sorry - why are you voting Psyche again? And, I swear to god, if you say opportunistic in your answer I am going to GIFslap you so hard.

1: Citation needed.

2: are you really suggesting that I had no purpose with that? Or that perhaps the answer given didn't do anything to progress where I was going? Weak point.

3: I really thought the reason I voted pine was pretty self-explanatory

4: what are yours? I remember a readlist with no explanation and some side commentary but.. that's about it

penguin can be scum with pyrrha tbh

I still think you’re scum here fr but I really want to see if any towngames actually exist where you are seriously this bad at mafia. Probably more scum flailing than dumb town but eh?

Pyrrha flipped out really hard when I voted her. Like that reaction is a yikes

A) I didn’t “flip out”. B) You tried to drive a mislynch on me. Stop insulting everyone’s intelligence already.

this bit just irks me because pyrrha is basically talking down on me this whole time, assuming I'm just bad and insulting me multiple times then trying to tell me not to insult everyone's intelligence?!

Like this is some stupid AtE overreaction. I was civil with pyrrha and for some reason throughout our dialogue she gets to be the upset and offended one? not me, the guy getting mislynched on such shoddy reasoning?

idk buy into the bull if you want.

I'm still more interested in gamma's opinion than anyone elses rn

Yeah, you’re damn right, I’m not respecting your play here, because you’re either open wolfing or absolutely horrendous town and I’m kind enough of getting tired of this but hey don’t let that stop you.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Gamma
Dann/Penguin

Elaborate.

Spoiler:

This is de facto a prodge. I will catch up here today.

I think I’ve already explained this multiple times?

I hardtown read that post by RC when he unvoted you and I’ve rolled scum with Gamma 3 times, 2, pretty recently, so I trust myself to recognize his tells.

Dann is playing exactly the same way here as he was in BP (Baton Pass) and other games he’s been town in.

Ditto Penguin. If you ISO him in LNT (Last Night Tomorrow), you will see striking evidence of this.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

Like I get called out by multiple people for my vote on pine, which was just a pressure vote to get the slot to do something. Pyrrha was voting him for the same reason and no one cared.

Originally pyrrha just votes me because "Ethos feels more off, I can’t really explain why."
Maybe not relevant but she waits 11 minutes to vote me after saying that.

even 200 posts in he's still advocating for RVS votes. Why do you want people to vote so bad? idk seems kinda scummy to me. Usually town wants to hold off lynching someone until close to the deadline.

Is he advocating for RVS votes though? People placing votes and seeing how the wagons develop is useful when looking back. I don't see how encouraging it is scummy.

Penguin, I am very confused on what your read on Dann is supposed to be.

I think that’s pretty damned obvious.

and I still don't understand the point of posting this right after voting me? it's like shading me for not seeing something? absolutely what would I have to gain as scum not seeing penguins readlist yet?

search.php?author_id=30856&sr=topics

go crazy

I asked you for a town and scum game and you link me you’re ISO? I don’t need a link to that.

pretends to care about meta enough that she has asked like 3 people for examples of their meta yet won't even take 2 minutes to find it herself. probably because she doesn't really care about it and is scum anyway.

@Ethos, @Banaki, can you please link me to some town and scum games of yours? Tyvm.

Anything I could link you

could

be selective and I could just play by/against whatever meta it is to influence how you see me though? Like why don't you just look for it yourself?

Why

would

it be “selective” if you’re town? And because it’s less work.

see bold underlines.

If I'm scum I can show you whatever I want you to see. If I'm town then I show you which games exactly?

This too kind of pings me. Because when I get asked this as town, I usually just look for the most recent ones, when scum, I am obviously a lot more careful. I wouldn’t have read into anything specific regardless of which games you had linked.

this is just a weak thing to point out like seriously. last scum game I played I linked my most recent games when someone asked. I never ask people for examples of their own games because it's so fucking easy to find myself, and I didn't feel like pyrrha was asking in good faith and she confirms it through later behavior.

Ethos’ spamming up the thread with multiple posts of blatantly faked enthusiasm, really clinches it for me. Out of nowhere, he decides to drive a mislynch on me as a extremely thinly veiled OMGUS. I don’t know whether to be amused or smdh that he seriously thinks everyone has suddenly gotten lobotomies.

But I’ll humour him anyway just for the lulz.

Okay @Ethos, what exactly do you find scummy about my play and be forewarned, I refuse to accept “YEET” as a valid answer.

Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...

(1) Asking questions when the answers are readily available

,

(2) saying something is important but not really pressing it or doing anything with it (299)

,

(3) voting Psyche but not engaging with him at all

, not really pushing anyone really...even your catchup was a regurgitation of the game state and not really your stances.

(4) What are they by the way?

You said you would be willing to lynch 3 players but didn't actually take the time to say who they were.

And, sorry - why are you voting Psyche again? And, I swear to god, if you say opportunistic in your answer I am going to GIFslap you so hard.

1: Citation needed.

2: are you really suggesting that I had no purpose with that? Or that perhaps the answer given didn't do anything to progress where I was going? Weak point.

3: I really thought the reason I voted pine was pretty self-explanatory

4: what are yours? I remember a readlist with no explanation and some side commentary but.. that's about it

penguin can be scum with pyrrha tbh

I still think you’re scum here fr but I really want to see if any towngames actually exist where you are seriously this bad at mafia. Probably more scum flailing than dumb town but eh?

Pyrrha flipped out really hard when I voted her. Like that reaction is a yikes

A) I didn’t “flip out”. B) You tried to drive a mislynch on me. Stop insulting everyone’s intelligence already.

this bit just irks me because pyrrha is basically talking down on me this whole time, assuming I'm just bad and insulting me multiple times then trying to tell me not to insult everyone's intelligence?!

Like this is some stupid AtE overreaction. I was civil with pyrrha and for some reason throughout our dialogue she gets to be the upset and offended one? not me, the guy getting mislynched on such shoddy reasoning?

idk buy into the bull if you want.

I'm still more interested in gamma's opinion than anyone elses rn

Yeah, you’re damn right, I’m not respecting your play here, because you’re either open wolfing or absolutely horrendous town and I’m kind enough of getting tired of this but hey don’t let that stop you.

you can keep calling my play horrendous as much as you want but it doesn't change the fact that your push on me is bad and lazy because I'm an easy target. There's literally no resistance to my push and if you're town then you're thinking about my slot in a really shallow manner.

What I do know is that you have been death tunneling me for pretty much no damn good reason. If you were actually town here, why would you be doing that and not instead look for alternatives, rather than just non-stop confibiasing me? I haven’t seen any arguments from you wrt to me, other than that you apparently don’t like the way I’ve treated you but do you honestly think scum!me would do that, since I’d probably already feel guilty for wrongly pushing you? So it’s extremely hard to believe you’re town here, when you are basically employing 0 level superficial scumhunting and tried to drive a wagon on me for pretty much no reason.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

You're not that easy though...people are talking about voting you but are not.

and why might that be?

And - I mean - you completely left out what I said about your play which is accurate.

i'll come back to this

How hard is it to give us the three people you wanted lynched originally

"three people I wanted lynched" isn't a true representation of my view. however the three people I was originally willing to lynch today were pyrrha, banakai, or BS

who you scum read now; and, what has changed your mind between the two?

I'm willing to lynch

Pyrrha

- SR: I've been worried about this slot the entire game. You can see in my catch up post that I felt she was treading cautiously and wasn't acting organically even in RVS. The feeling only got worse as she started nitpicking at me like in 397. Then the whole thing went into overdrive really quick, she's going on a page long rant about nothing, and suddenly I'm at L-1 (that banakai L-1 vote is gross btw)

Penguin

- SL: 1st non-RVS vote is on the easy BS wagon (which he never really attempts to interact with, share new perspective on, etc.) In fact the only thing he really says about it is to dannflor and he doesn't even follow up on it, in fact he blankly states a TR on dannflor shortly after. 196 shades sheep and pyrrha, again no follow up. by the time you get to 236 he really hasn't said anything of substance, and yet somehow has all these things he needs others to do? The whole comment on Pine is awkward too. 426 is just terrible.

Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...

this actually applies to Penguin heavily. Read his ISO and prove me wrong.

banakai

- null/scum:

Blatant scum would be my biggest vote RN but I won't vote and leave him 1 away from death. -- also he's potentially just one of those trolly players, which I would normally like to lynch anyway (but in this game if we lynch him and hes town he sticks around)

For one I don't believe that he genuinely thinks stump!bs would keep "trolling" after death. That's basically equated to gamethrowing in my opinion. And while BS does do some things that I don't agree with I think he's generally a good player when town. But why the hesitance to put him to L-1? why is banakai so happy with putting me to L-1, especially when I was a "slight town lean" in 320? Then he gives a whole writeup for why he is suspicious of dann but never even votes him or anything.

That last line is important especially when you look at the last quote I brought up. He's not willing to vote BS because L-1? Fine. But he's not willing to vote dann for... what reason?

It just seems so forced though

idk how it's forced. I'll admit it's a bit weak. I wasn't trying to convince anyone to vote him, I still think BS would be a better overall lynch. I just wanted to get it out there that I saw some peculiar behavior in him. I know most people are and were town reading him, and I'm going to mostly trust their judgement for now until I see more shady shit. I just don't think he's such obv town like everyone else seems to think.

why do you think I would try to "force" a scum read on one of the most town-read players in the game.

bad post. Still not voting. Still thinks BS is the "best lynch" after writing up his thoughts on dannflor.

I slightly agree with eth0's looking scummy. I didn't really see it until people started pushing him hard

lolwat

yeah i would feel fine with Eth0s lynch now, it really seems like he is just all riled up for no reason. Legitimately can't see a town motivation for this pyyra vote by him (but it's also too dumb for me to really see a good scum motivation either)

I don't think we'll get much better in the next 6 days so I *intend* to L-1 if nobody opposes

this is fucking weaksauce. Especially in contrast to the things I have already pointed out.

a part of me wants to think that he's doing this to become a stump, but also I think that's a terrible move as town, it's not like were finding any interesting information. It's just Ethos acting very blatantly scummy, and then what? is he gonna be a stump and say "hey vote these guys cause they voted me when I acted blatantly scummy"

this feels like borderline TMI but whatever.

I've also got a pretty spice theory on who his potential scummate could be.

So you have been essentially lying about being tilted at the way I’ve been treating you. So, even that part was faked?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I will catch up. Reads will either go tommorow, or if noone pressure, perhaps never.

how about if you're town you just tell us what you're thinking

The one question you’ve never asked ME! Not even once but I supposed to think you’re somehow a mislynch? Seriously?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

It's like penguin is going out of his way to do nothing AI

Spoiler:

Yeah, I don’t get it either. His reads are whack, that is 100% obvious.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I'm obviously already at the point where it doesn't matter what I'll say and I'll be lynched. Whether you agree with my lynch or not that should definitely be seen as a bad thing especially given no counter wagon and how people are just sliding by this game and making weak ass pushes.

???

No counterwagon? Are we even playing the same game?

Hello? Banaki is the counterwagon.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Anyway I'm L-1 so I'm a tree. I'll be around tomorrow to remind everyone how badly people handled my slot while I was alive.

p-edit: and you didn't think that people would consider you to be scum for taking that approach?

Why is that scummy? If you claimed FF, you would either be CC’d or not but that can’t happen with Tree.

And if no one CC’d it and you lied, you would have basically fucked your credibility anyhow.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Anyway I'm L-1 so I'm a tree. I'll be around tomorrow to remind everyone how badly people handled my slot while I was alive.

p-edit: and you didn't think that people would consider you to be scum for taking that approach?

No. And I still see it as a pro-town strategy (if RC didn't leave and were active as stump).

Well, let that be a lesson to you then. RC would 100% leave as any alignment, so don’t do that again.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I'll be around tomorrow to remind everyone how badly people handled my slot while I was alive.

If you actually are a tree you should probably take ownership for playing in a way that led to people believing your were scum. You waited until you got a lot of pressure before you started outing any reads and your only non-RVS vote is an omgus vote and a sudden strong scum-read on the person that started your wagon. You refused to provide an answer until quite a bit of prodding on your three people you were willing to lynch, and as I've said before you were just trying to seem busy without doing anything, and now your reads line up almost exactly with the people pushing you.

Atm I think it's just ate though.

everything I have said is consisten. I haven't changed stances at all besides being okay with lynching you now over BS. My reads don't line up with anyone else's so that's just a blatant lie.

And what have you done this game besides look busy?

Spoiler:

[Pyrrha Nikos]

it would change, but I feel eth0s is trying to play the "maybe if I pretend I'm ok with being lynched my wagon will dissolve"

So, you no longer think he’s trying to get stumped?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Blatan Scum

L-1

yeah you know what nah

UNVOTE:

hf guys,

sorry everyone I asked to join

.

This isn’t scum!RC.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Can we move on from that...it's like it doesn't matter what Gamma does, you're judging him based on a replace out and that's just bad imo.

No, I’m also basing it on Gamma’s play here as well. If you read my ISO, I’ve made that extremely clear.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Ok...just stop it with the RC argument then.

But he was still in the game albeit briefly, so it of course, has to figure into my Gamma read. Scum!Gamma wouldn’t have likely said he was tr us both so very confidently.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

The lack of RVS votes is just odd.

Assuming this is what Banakai is referencing, this isn’t calling for RVS votes at all. It’s noting that RVS not happening is unusual.
And Dann could easily make that post as scum, like super easily, to the point that it wouldn’t be valid as a “fake townslip” if that was the case. It’s just scum commenting on something they already knew. Now if he had asked about it, then it would have made more sense. But he didn’t, and it came up in a way he wasn’t at all planning on. So no, that’s not a fake townslip. In fact I feel like writing this out has made me realize it holds more weight as a real townslip. Gratz.

I don’t think scum!Gamma makes this kind of post.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Nothing RC did was AI stop quoting his replace out thank you

Can I requote this, when I am proven right?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Why don’t you think scum!Gamma makes #382?

A) I’ve rolled scum with Gamma 3 times - 2 pretty recently. It’s pretty much beyond his scum range to be able to fake that nuanced a read.

B) That post really doesn’t make a lot of sense coming from scum - regardless of whom makes it. 282 shows a clear townie thought process - one that based on my most recent scumgames with Gamma is beyond his scum meta. If you ever get the chance to roll scum with Gamma, this would then be super obvious to you.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Also, in every single game, Gamma’s been scum in a game I’ve played with him in, something about him’s been off. It’s very difficult to explain exactly what I mean by that but I’m not picking that up here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Also, in every single game, Gamma’s been scum in a game I’ve played with him in, something about him’s been off. It’s very difficult to explain exactly what I mean by that but I’m not picking that up here.

Actually, scum!Gamma is frequently wooden and awkward. He definitely was in MD and CoaLITion anyway. He is pretty much never that way as town and he isn’t wooden or awkward here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i totally disagree that replaceouts should be interpreted as NAI, but i do think it's not particularly useful for discussion to focus on it since RC isn't around to talk about it

I’m being misinterpreted btw, it was what RC did BEFORE replacing out that I’m tr - not the actual replace out, so please stop accusing me of something I wasn’t even doing, tyvm!

That goes for several people, not just you.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

a part of me wants to think that he's doing this to become a stump, but also I think that's a terrible move as town, it's not like were finding any interesting information. It's just Ethos acting very blatantly scummy, and then what? is he gonna be a stump and say "hey vote these guys cause they voted me when I acted blatantly scummy"

overall just bizarre play IMO, does he just not know how to deal with a little pressure?

VOTE: eth0s L-1

This feels like Banakai is preparing for eth0s to flip town but wants to make sure he can still vote there.

Like he’s trying to shield himself from the anticipated Ethos’ sr, maybe?

I definitely thought it was a weird flex, especially wrt Ethos, because nothing in his play pointed towards him deliberately trying to get stumped. That argument could definitely make sense wrt BS because he has been practically telegraphing that through out much of D1 but extremely suspicious read for Ethos, so I agree.

Still hardtown reading everyone in my townblock: Gamma, you, Penguin, sheep. Also still leaning towards BS being a potential mislynch.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i didnt even mention you

Oh come on, that’s what several people were on me for, my RC read, so I was just clarifying what I actually meant.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Anyway . . .

VOTE: Banaki

Besides being at the bottom of my POE, I also agree with Dann’s case.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

a part of me wants to think that he's doing this to become a stump, but also I think that's a terrible move as town, it's not like were finding any interesting information. It's just Ethos acting very blatantly scummy, and then what? is he gonna be a stump and say "hey vote these guys cause they voted me when I acted blatantly scummy"

I never thought he wanted to be stumped but I recognized it as a possibility

if I thought he was a tree i wouldnt be voting him...

I think it’s really strange you even seriously even considered this a possibility and still put him at L-1.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Beyond what I've already said a few times, banakai's posts are just really plainly deliberative that I don't see being faked. Nothing very erratic or unexplained, tends to post thought processes instead of cases while still being clear about his positioning, and so on. He's not carrying us, but it all seems a tough performance to fake as well as he'd have to as scum. It's an easy bet given that it's a townread, but

I'd bet the whole game on him being town

.

im gonna give up on my precious banakai read too for now

So what changed?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I slightly agree with eth0's looking scummy. I didn't really see it until people started pushing him hard

I also think dan is a little sus, but everybody else is reading him as town it seems. he's definitely a player I've got my eye on.

I'll admit I feel a little stumped (no pun intended) right now. maybe I'm rusty because I'm not getting much out of the last few pages, it just seems like the same conversations going on and on. glad we are getting some more posts from less active people. Eth0s is a slight town lean for me (although I'd like if he answered my question about his vote), hope we'll hear from pine soon.

@sheep and anyone else who thinks I'm trying to play off my read as not serious/strong

this is litterally the first post where I stated I think dan is a little suspicious. if you really think that is "strong" than I don't know what to tell you.

Again, I'd rather a BS lynch at that point, but dan was someone who I was beginning to suspect.

at this stage I'd be ok with [BS, Dan, Eth0s] with dan and Eth0s being roughly tied

im ready to say that banakai is very probably town
BS is not very probably town he just leans that way
can't confirm dann yet as he'd be good at scum; his anticipation of potential scumreading of his posts could reflect a scum mindset but probably doesn't
gamma emerald's iso is a bunch of oneliners i don't really

get

much from; if i had to vigshot someone right now it'd probably be him. But I'm not yet at the point where I can credibly advocate for his lynch. he replaced RC though, so I'll have to untangle that whole thing at some point.
Leaves about 3 people still unconsidered

Why is Banakai “very probably town”? And I really don’t think I’ve been posting too many one liners this game.

This may be as close as he got. If Banaki flips scum, which seems likely I’m leaning to Psyche being the most likely to be his buddy. Why Penguin has him as his #2 tr, totally baffles me. 2/3 of Banaki/Psyche/BS are the likely scumteam and I really don’t think it’s BS unless we’re wrong about Banaki and I have real trouble seeing any of my townblock as ever being scum here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Also, in every single game, Gamma’s been scum in a game I’ve played with him in, something about him’s been off. It’s very difficult to explain exactly what I mean by that but I’m not picking that up here.

Actually, scum!Gamma is frequently wooden and awkward. He definitely was in MD and CoaLITion anyway. He is pretty much never that way as town and he isn’t wooden or awkward here.

Isn't being wooden a good thing here?

I obviously mean “wooden” as in fake, or disconnected.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Why Penguin has him as his #2 tr, totally baffles me.

The more annoyed I am by him the higher his town read based on my n=1 game with him. He's dropped to yellow since I posted my read list.

if i hammer now it would belie my uncertainty about this
let me see if i can get a stronger read

VOTE: eth0s

in the end i want to be in the room where it happens

Wasn’t really a fan of this. If he had doubts, why wouldn’t he have waited for Dann to give his assessment?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

it smells like updog out here

Wut?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i thought dann did give an assessment

I’m not gonna have time till tomorrow but please no hammer till I read ty

actually

UNVOTE:

:/

I explicitly unvoted so I’d have time to give input

Nope, you thought wrong.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

it smells like updog out here

Spoiler: Hid Animated Gif --P

Now, I’m wishing Auro was here to explain that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

a part of me wants to think that he's doing this to become a stump, but also I think that's a terrible move as town, it's not like were finding any interesting information. It's just Ethos acting very blatantly scummy, and then what? is he gonna be a stump and say "hey vote these guys cause they voted me when I acted blatantly scummy"

I never thought he wanted to be stumped but I recognized it as a possibility

if I thought he was a tree i wouldnt be voting him...

I think it’s really strange you even seriously even considered this a possibility and still put him at L-1.

no it's not,

if you are actually town you shouldn't ever be sure of anything

. especially on day 1 where most of the game info is pretty superficial.

---

I have no argument to people who think im the scummiest scum scum. I probably have bad reads, im a human being. it seems people are voting me for two reasons - because I voted eth0s (just like the majority of the town did) when he was acting scummy, and because I dared to suggest that I scumread dan

I see, having 4 strong tr and 1 tl is - according to you - apparently scum indicative, or maybe I’m just really good at figuring out this game, similar how I did in Newsroom where I correctly nailed the scumteam. Yes, I’m well aware I was wrong on Ethos.

The bolded kind of reminds of the comparable wisdom that Awstie purported in (can’t remember the name of that game) where “she” insisted that it was antitown to not want to die as town.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

dan is actually probably the towniest on my scum list rn, but I have a lot of scum reads maybe

ppl who i really think are town
- Sheep
-penguin
- Gamma

ppl who might be either
- Dan

ppl who might be scum
-BS
-pyyrha
-psyche

if you want explanations please ask -- I can be more specific but I don't want to explain every read

If I had to choose a team it'd be Dan and Pyrrha or psyche and BS, leaning towards the latter

Dan and Pyrrha I feel have kinda been really controlling the game - maybe they are strong town players - but it feels like they were instrumental in yesterdays lynch. Dan's backing off the vote potentially is a scum not wanting to be "on the wagon" - possibly cause his buddy was too?

BS again I feel like he was trolling us in the beginning, trying to be too scummy to be scummy. Then when the votes shift he starts prod dodging, allowing the lynch to go through mostly unnoticed. -BS potentially felt he could afford to take a risk this game, since there are two scums and it isn't a large game.

I don't really like the combo of psyche's hammer yesterday and the excuses this morning, and that's whats popping out to me VOTE: psyche

I know for a fact that Pine is extremely anti bussing and he voteparked BS before he flaked, so unless he was playing against his meta, unlikely.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Banaki, Dann clearly wanted more time, he wasn’t backing off of anything. Are you now going to argue he’s psychic and knew Psyche would hammer?

Because your argument for scum!Dann is dependent on that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Banaki, Dann clearly wanted more time, he wasn’t backing off of anything. Are you now going to argue he’s psychic and knew Psyche would hammer?

Because your argument for scum!Dann is dependent on that.

I’m not gonna have time till tomorrow but please no hammer till I read ty

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Was Banakai not using that a reason to scumread Pyrrah? I admit I'm doing a lot right now and should probably read again in the morning.

Me and Dann are strong town players who are apparently “controlling the game” - hence super big threats and of course primary Banaki sr.

We are also voting him. Both Gamma and sheep have called us either “town” or “clear”.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Was Banakai not using that a reason to scumread Pyrrah? I admit I'm doing a lot right now and should probably read again in the morning.

But shockingly - NOT - he’s voting Psyche and not either of us, because he already knows we’re flipping town, so he’s bussing his buddy for apparent towncred. What do I win?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Calling it rn:

Banaki/Psyche is the scumteam

.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

also i certainly explained my banakai read in other posts
i still mostly believe it; it's just not a certified "im certain of it" read
id bet money that he's town, but not all of it

Stocks not bonds?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

p sure {psyche, penguin, pyrrha, and GE} contains both scum

Your reads, minus 1 are horrible.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Official Vote Count 1.22

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

eth0s

(5): Pyrrha Nikos, PenguinPower, Banakai, Gamma Emerald, Psyche

<-- LYNCH

Pyrrha Nikos

(1): eth0s

Banakai

(1): sheepsaysmeep

Not Voting

(2): Blatant Scum, Dannflor

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-16 07:30:00).

Mod notes:

Dannflor is V/LA until the 11th[/area]

:thonk:

I do agree two of the Ethos’ votes: specifically Banaki/Psyche probably contains the scumteam.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

lacking motivation to post because i just need flips rn

still locked with sheep dann pyrrha towncore

Banaki’s initial reads on both Dann and me still ping me. He initially referred to me as a “tryhard” and accused Dann of making a “fake townslip”. These kind of reads are far more likely to come from a scum vs. a town mindset.

Why sr a slot for actually trying to solve? Why defacto accuse someone of a “fake townslip”, rather than do what town!Dann did to me in BP - try to figure out whether or not it was a genuine townslip or just an NAI dumbtell?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

And why is he voting Psyche i over Dann, who he’s been on since the beginning? Because he knows his only hope is to bus his buddy. This obviously also goes for me and BS as well.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

Good, mod told me I can troll to get rid of the prod.

I think we should policy lynch Gamma. What if RC comes back?

He can’t, especially since Gamma obviously isn’t replacing out.

Seriously though, do you agree with Banaki/Psyche being the most likely scumteam?

I bet money on this btw. I want my bragging rights when this game is over.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Calling it rn:

Banaki/Psyche is the scumteam

.

ur wrong and a bit overconfident

rather interesting that you didnt really update your priors much after the eth0s lynch
how does one lead a mislynch and then the next day feel sure enough of themselves to call the scumteam?

I hardtown read everyone in my townblock and I think BS is more likely to be a mislynch than scum.

I have always thought that scum was in Pine/Banaki/Ethos, so why would my being wrong on him, change that?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Calling it rn:

Banaki/Psyche is the scumteam

.

ur wrong and a

bit

overconfident

Yes, Banaki and Psyche team is possible.
Call 2 people scumteam.
If at least one of them reacts on the post, it means you are right.
If none of them reacts, it means you are wrong.

I have a small statistic sample for this, but it worked so far.
VOTE: Banakai

Notice how Psyche used the word “bit”? If that isn’t a weird flex, I don’t know what is.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

im gonna make fun of you for these posts later

Those posts sound really weird if you’re town. It’s like you’re almost agreeing with me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Calling it rn:

Banaki/Psyche is the scumteam

.

ur wrong and a bit overconfident

rather interesting that you didnt really update your priors much after the eth0s lynch
how does one lead a mislynch and then the next day feel sure enough of themselves to call the scumteam?

I hardtown read everyone in my townblock and I think BS is more likely to be a mislynch than scum.

I have always thought that scum was in Pine/Banaki/Ethos, so why would my being wrong on him, change that?

i think that this is revisionist and that you're understating the extent you pushed eth0s
more broadly, it's just that if i were in your shoes (and to an extent i am) and had your D1 iso i would really be rethinking the way i approach the game and the confidence i ascribe my reads
maybe i'd stick with the same strategy but i certainly wouldn't go around confidently calling the scumteam with it
it's just weird not to see you appreciating your fallibility in any substantive way — instead you're just doubling down

it's either a character flaw or a gap in your scumplay

will find out which at some point or another

Yeah, please give me lessons in better scumplay. Thanks.

I hard townread everyone in my townblock and I think BS is a likely mislynch. What exactly are you finding difficult about this?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Gamma Emerald, who would you like to lynch today?

Thinking about it rn I individually think Psyche and Banakai are both the most suspect. Psyche’s reads just seem questionable based on the fact he has a take on me that has no basis in fact but is a real common take on me in other games. And Banakai has kinda been spouting nonsense imo.
VOTE: Psyche
I actually feel like this could be scum more rn

I’m fine with either dying. I also think Psyche scumflip, likely clears BS more than Banaki would, due to Pine anti-bussing thing but I’ll happily join either wagon.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

yeeeeeeeeeeet

No one is tr your enthusiasm for your blatant attempt at trying to mislynching me. If I wasn’t already sl you, I’d be convinced you had no clue how to scumhunt but then I wouldn’t want to get into trouble for insulting your

intelligence

ability to play mafia properly.

Ethos’ spamming up the thread with multiple posts of blatantly faked enthusiasm, really clinches it for me. Out of nowhere, he decides to drive a mislynch on me as a extremely thinly veiled OMGUS. I don’t know whether to be amused or smdh that he seriously thinks everyone has suddenly gotten lobotomies.

But I’ll humour him anyway just for the lulz.

Okay @Ethos, what exactly do you find scummy about my play and be forewarned, I refuse to accept “YEET” as a valid answer.

Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...

(1) Asking questions when the answers are readily available

,

(2) saying something is important but not really pressing it or doing anything with it (299)

,

(3) voting Psyche but not engaging with him at all

, not really pushing anyone really...even your catchup was a regurgitation of the game state and not really your stances.

(4) What are they by the way?

You said you would be willing to lynch 3 players but didn't actually take the time to say who they were.

And, sorry - why are you voting Psyche again? And, I swear to god, if you say opportunistic in your answer I am going to GIFslap you so hard.

1: Citation needed.

2: are you really suggesting that I had no purpose with that? Or that perhaps the answer given didn't do anything to progress where I was going? Weak point.

3: I really thought the reason I voted pine was pretty self-explanatory

4: what are yours? I remember a readlist with no explanation and some side commentary but.. that's about it

penguin can be scum with pyrrha tbh

I still think you’re scum here fr but I really want to see if any towngames actually exist where you are seriously this bad at mafia. Probably more scum flailing than dumb town but eh?

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80259&start=100

Oh Lol, this explains so much. I think I’m townlocking Penguin and never unvoting Ethos until he’s flipped.

Lmao @ Penguin. Okay Banaki, I’ll let it go. It’s just that I find meta really helpful when I haven’t played with someone before.

If Ethos flips town here, I will be legit shocked. Penguin nailed it, he isn’t doing any actual sorting. He acts like he’s invested but his reads are basically empty with very little logical reasoning for pretty much anything.

@Banaki, sure it’s “dumb” and I’m sure he is well aware of it. He is making this out of left field nonsense push on me out of basic desperation to get tr for hard pushing anyone, whether he has any actual reason to do it is apparently besides the point. He’s counting on someone tr him for this, based on just that: it being so unbelievably dumb.

Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...

(1) Asking questions when the answers are readily available

,

(2) saying something is important but not really pressing it or doing anything with it (299)

,

(3) voting Psyche but not engaging with him at all

, not really pushing anyone really...even your catchup was a regurgitation of the game state and not really your stances.

(4) What are they by the way?

You said you would be willing to lynch 3 players but didn't actually take the time to say who they were.

And, sorry - why are you voting Psyche again? And, I swear to god, if you say opportunistic in your answer I am going to GIFslap you so hard.

1: Citation needed.

2: are you really suggesting that I had no purpose with that? Or that perhaps the answer given didn't do anything to progress where I was going? Weak point.

3: I really thought the reason I voted pine was pretty self-explanatory

4: what are yours? I remember a readlist with no explanation and some side commentary but.. that's about it

penguin can be scum with pyrrha tbh

This 100% reads like a scum post. Town rarely reacts this way. Town asks why do you think this? Here is why I did ___. Scum otoh hands just deflects and turns it on the accuser. How dare you express even the mildest suspicion me for my uberscummy play? You obviously have to be scum. If I AtE loud and long enough, maybe you actually might be fooled into actually believe I mean anything that I’m saying.

eth0s, can you expand on why you think Pyrrha is scum?

I’m not really seeing it off that one post you quoted

I would really love to know that too. What is abundantly clear to me is that he views me as both a threat to him and he’s trying to push my mislynch to save himself.

His push on me is 100% a scum push. Not even a single iota of any attempt to correctly sort me or re-evaluate anything. I could post my role pm and he would still find a way to try to convince all of you that you’re colourblind.

A couple things really obvious from these posts:
- Pyrra suggests in 714 that her push of the eth0s lynch was primarily a matter of poe. This is clearly false.

No one

D1 was more confident that eth0s was scum than pyrra. Absolutely no one.

- Pyrra says that she'd be absolutely

shocked

if eth0s ends up flipping town. Does Pyrra's D2 posts provide any evidence of

shock

?? Like, the actual emotion? There's no clue of it at all. Instead, we see the evidence of the exact opposite: a muted reaction in the short term, and increased self-assurance, increased confidence in her grasp of the current gamestate in the long term.

I'm not saying that there should have been some big mea culpa; I can appreciate that my own has seemed awkward and overwrought. What I am saying is that there's no evidence even

implicitly

of the sort of emotional impact you'd expect from the eth0s mislynch given pyrra's D1 iso. This is

in addition to

her clear misrepresentation today of her mindset surrounding eth0s yesterday.

We're left with two possibilities. The first is that Pyrra, along with having a

far

more tenuous grasp of the gamestate than she thinks she has, has a very powerful self-serving bias that leaves her not just to interpret but to

remember

the past in the way that flatters her most. The other is that she's playing a muscular scumgame ITT, performing towniness with all these posts seeming to sort and lynch scum while actually trying to orchestrate mislynches.

In either situation, ego plays a big part in explaining why Pyrra's playing the way she's chosen to - whether she's just that confident in her townplay that she shrugs off any mistakes, or sure enough of herself that she's deigned to play for the center of attention as scum. The personality read is easy. I still don't know a reliable way to convert that into an alliance sort.

Nothing you say here even remotely contradicts a single thing I’ve posted. I said, you, Banaki, Ethos were my POE. None of that has changed/will change - no matter how many times you persist in misrepping me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

im gonna make fun of you for these posts later

Those posts sound really weird if you’re town. It’s like you’re almost agreeing with me.

if you're town i recommend a reading course after all this is over

I’d much rather get your “recommendations”, post-game. Watch it btw. Acusing me of having character flaws, etc. is bordering on being reportable. I suggest you don’t go there.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pyrra, what ran through your head when you saw eth0s flip town? what will run through your head supposing i do? still gonna stick with the "hard townreads"?

I’m assuming the exact same thing that went through everyone’s heads who was town who mislynched him. I’ll worry about that

when Hell freezes over

if it happens

Spoiler:

which it won’t.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

dont tell me someones

pretending

nancy can be wolf

“Pretending” being the key word here. He is desperately counting on town having gotten lobotomies. He might pretend sr you for defending me next.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Here Psyche, if enough of town overdose on this, there maybe possibly be some bizarro alternate universe, where I can actually be scum here:

Spoiler: