Micro 898 | Forest Fire | Over

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello, I actually just finished reading the game. Commentary in my next post.
No RVS but-RWBY V3 spoiler ahead

I will say that best girl Pyrrha should probably be kept safe so she doesn’t get incinerated a second time

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Pyrrha Nikos

Isn't Pyrrha just like gibberish language for Pyro?

You want the long or the short answer?

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

On first impression this would impress me but...

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

The fuck is this

VOTE: Blatant Scum

+1

FOS on BS for that post.

But I had towny intro - I reacted on a post in this thread!

...THIS post is plain AWFUL

it's been a while since someone requested a page 1 policy lynch on me tbh

i'm sad.

You see you don’t BoP PL a player on D1, you do it D3 when they haven’t led a lynch on scum yet

((Does arsonist count as scum?))

What the heck is this question?

You need to learn to read the room.

How can I learn it?

Realize that out of anyone on this site RC is the absolute worst person to direct your ploy towards. RC doesn’t respond well to disingenuous pressure of any sort.

Gamma Emerald replaces RadiantCowbells! Please welcome him

Hey Gamma I’m glad you got in but I just wish it hadn’t have been because of RC replace out.

Yeah the second I saw RC was the slot I knew something went funky already

Hello, I actually just finished reading the game. Commentary in my next post.
No RVS but-RWBY V3 spoiler ahead

I will say that best girl Pyrrha should probably be kept safe so she doesn’t get incinerated a second time

Can you use spoiler = instead? And ??? What second time?

Is this some RWBY reference? *confused*

Spoiler: Omg

Bruh Pyrrha was turned to ash at the end of RWBY Volume 3. Would figure at the very least that had osmosis to you already even if you hadn’t seen the show for yourself.

VOTE: Blatant Scum
I think this is okay rn

Btw this my first time playing this setup despite loosely speccing a few games before, I never saw any fancy strategy installed, so I’m gonna assume there is none for this one

[Gamma Emerald]

Post 20 impressed me because it looks like a pretty bold statement. If he was earnest about it, that would actually look pretty good. But what he’s doing does not look like it’s in earnest.
Also I’ll just give the long answer. Pyrrha (iirc) is a pseudonym used by Achilles at one point in The Iliad. Pyrrha’s character is actually based on Achilles.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d say #superfan but I still haven’t seen the second half of V6
The big issue is the fact RT refuses to put it on YouTube

[Gamma Emerald]

Some penguins live in non arctic regions, but they do still live in very southern longitudes
#facts

[Gamma Emerald]

Doesn’t mean I SR Penguin
My only read I have outside of Blatsnt rn is Dann as town

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait a second.

Forest fires create CO₂

CO₂ destroys the ozone layer

The ozone layer preserves the arctic regions

The arctic regions are where penguins live

UNVOTE:

His power is for the good of tree-kind this game. Or he's one sick and twisted penguin.

Time will tell.

You aren’t by any chance a Jingle alt, right?

I don’t think that’s the case.

[Gamma Emerald]

Post 20 impressed me because it looks like a pretty bold statement. If he was earnest about it, that would actually look pretty good. But what he’s doing does not look like it’s in earnest.

Do you think that particular bold statement would be town indicative if it was earnest? Earnest bold statements can come from scum and I'm not sure that particular one is any more likely to come from town than not.

Yes, if he followed through properly and didn’t post stuff like 26 then it would actually seem like he had a genuine idea of something that could be helpful. The base idea itself can come from both alignments but the execution is where the divergence lies as I see it.

[Gamma Emerald]

If there was only 7 slots in this game, I’d probably be voting BS for 26.

@BS, can you link me a town and scumgame of yours? Thanks.

Why does number of slots matter?

[Gamma Emerald]

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

There’s the fact he didn’t vote there though. I feel like he

would

have voted RC had he gotten support. That part seems wolfy to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

On a more serious note I get what BS was saying. I thought the logic was sound although I was uninterested in joining him. Dannflor does make me realize that the logic wasnt great. But I'm not sure if that's something BS was considering. I kinda think he truly believed his own logic regardless of his alignment

Gamma was right, the logic of lynching RC on D1 without even a single cause for suspicion, really made very little sense. I don’t know if he’s scum though. His reaction to it isn’t pinging me but the thing is he self-voted and put himself at L-1, so if he’s scum and that lynch would have gone through, it would look great for RC, so I’m thinking bad town over scum rn. I wish RC hadn’t have replaced out, because then we would know if BS continues to hardpush for this. If he did, it would be more than reasonable to assume he was probable scum. So now, we’ll never get to find that out.

I can hardpush Gamma if you want.

Hmmm...

[Gamma Emerald]

It works just fine for me. What does it do?

[Gamma Emerald]

You're also either purposefully dumb-telling here or still haven't read the setup. Scum can only choose to prime or ignite once per night. They would have had to prime RC tonight, and then ignite the next night in order to kill him. It is impossible for anyone to die tonight.

Yes, but he could get doused N1.
Then ignited as stump.

Pretty sure Stumps can be primed too.

[Gamma Emerald]

PL lynching him tomorrow might end up into him being doused. Wastling 1 night to ignite RC stump might be worth for scum. Wastling 2 night probably not.

Actually, unsure if I misunderstood this sentence. Either way, it would theoretically benefit town to lynch a doused player slightly more than a non-doused town player.

Normally, yes.
If the player were RC? Not sure.

Huh?

[Gamma Emerald]

What was your intention in self-voting, Blatant Scum?

To make it easier for you to lynch me.

This plays to your win condition, how?

People usually start townreading me after I troll for a while.
It lowers lynchpool whisout wastling lynch.

Slayer’s Gambit isn’t creative, everyone’s tried it, and it never works well

[Gamma Emerald]

What was your intention in self-voting, Blatant Scum?

To make it easier for you to lynch me.

This plays to your win condition, how?

People usually start townreading me after I troll for a while.
It lowers lynchpool whisout wastling lynch.

Slayer’s Gambit isn’t creative, everyone’s tried it, and it never works well

Slayer's Gambit?
You mean this thing I am doing right now?
It worked for me so far.

Oh really, how well.

[Gamma Emerald]

So, hot and spicy read, Blatant Scum is town.

See?
My strategy

does

work!

Yeah,

some

people town read you. How has it helped in other games?

[Gamma Emerald]

genuinely believes that everything he's been doing is protown

Yeah uh sheep you kinda have been contradicted by the person you are defending

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative. I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.

Factional Communication:

During the night phase

you may talk with your partner [Private Topic Link]here[/Private Topic Link].

Out of curiosity, how would you stop me?

Actually are you saying you wouldn’t have announced your plan during pregame?

[Gamma Emerald]

Probably not.
I am not planning forward.

Well okay then.
Btw I agree with Pyrrha’s Penguin read, the current level of contribution is good

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: re-read

BS - First person to really break away from RVS and it was in his first two posts. Suggests lynching and sheeping RC if he greenflips.

RC - Clearly agitated by BS, probably NAI as a whole and someone later mentions it is within RC meta to be upset when targetted like he was. I have also dealt with this firsthand but am still not convinced that it can be found as AI.

Pine - Immediately jumps on BS for his suggestion against RC. Could be opportunistic.

Pyrrha -

I think we should lynch RC, if he flips town, we should hard sheep him.

I just finished a game with RC where scum wanted him dead. Policy lynching good scum players will just result in scum gamethrowing, so a really terrible idea, always.

not really sure what this means. Elaborate?

BS - 27 really lays on the "scummy player" flavor more than I have noticed from him in the past. Page 2 as a whole is where I get the sense that he thinks his logic is townie regardless of alignment.

24 is a really confusing post

yeah

Gamma - "You see you don’t BoP PL a player on D1, you do it D3 when they haven’t led a lynch on scum yet" this makes quite a lot of sense and even if it's his own slot he's talking about I still like the post.

Dannflor - 82 is good. I think it eliminates the idea of a BS/dann team. It could be very wolfy but I think it's too early to tell, so I will take it at face value as town.

Pyrrha - 89 and 91 read very awkwardly. And a simple unvote feels forced, or like she did it out of fear/pressure from dann? 94 feels like beating around the bush and doesn't do anything to answer why she is sticking out an RVS vote while having a legit FoS on BS. 96 feels out of place.

Wait a second.

Forest fires create CO₂

CO₂ destroys the ozone layer

The ozone layer preserves the arctic regions

The arctic regions are where penguins live

UNVOTE:

His power is for the good of tree-kind this game. Or he's one sick and twisted penguin.

Time will tell.

You aren’t by any chance a Jingle alt, right?

I am not a Jingle alt

-- on a side note I think that dannflor should be the one held to any sort of BoP PL if that's what it comes down to. Even if that happens I would like to follow Gamma's rule of thumb --

On a more serious note I get what BS was saying. I thought the logic was sound although I was uninterested in joining him. Dannflor does make me realize that the logic wasnt great. But I'm not sure if that's something BS was considering. I kinda think he truly believed his own logic regardless of his alignment

Gamma was right, the logic of lynching RC on D1 without even a single cause for suspicion, really made very little sense. I don’t know if he’s scum though. His reaction to it isn’t pinging me but the thing is he self-voted and put himself at L-1, so if he’s scum and that lynch would have gone through, it would look great for RC, so I’m thinking bad town over scum rn. I wish RC hadn’t have replaced out, because then we would know if BS continues to hardpush for this. If he did, it would be more than reasonable to assume he was probable scum. So now, we’ll never get to find that out.

I think given BS behavior up until replacement it's pretty safe to assume he was going to push RC as long as he felt the lynch possible

-- Pyrrha's page 5 continues to feel overly cautious --

sheep - 117 essentially restates what Gamma said in a roundabout way, regarding BS. But also essentially restates what I said regarding the genuinity of BS logic. However he does come to conclude BS as town as a result, which I don't think either I or Gamma explicitly did. On the whole I don't really understand or agree with sheep's logic on page 5. I think something is lost in translation between sheep and pyrra here and kind of makes the discussion feel useless.

BS - in 131 "I didn't vote, because I wanted to discuss whether lynching RC is good idea day 1, rather than directly pushing his lynch." I actually start second guessing my assumption that he thought the logic was genuine. If he really thought it was a good move I think he would have voted him. I somehow missed the fact that BS self-voted and never voted RC. I need to think about this slot more now. Continues to lay on the scummy flavor in an awkward way in 139 and 141.

bs not having wolfed on this site reinforces my read on how confident and unreserved he opened considering this a pretty respectable playerlist

This seems like a pretty genuine thought

linking this very game as his scum game, self-voting to L-1, and his general tone read rather forced to me. It's hard for me to see townie motivation for those things.

meh agree to disagree
i find that this type of erratic behavior is generally too rash to be w shrug

The main reason I disagree with his behavior here as making him town is he's sort of a walking contradiction. "Let's PL RC because town paranoia could get him (mis)lynched at a more pivotal point in time if we don't" yet he is creating a bunch of paranoia over his own slot by acting intentionally scummy, which in turn sets himself up to be lynched over paranoia. I think town!him would consider how a potential mislynch while also cementing himself as a liability is a bad way to handle D1.

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

There’s the fact he didn’t vote there though. I feel like he

would

have voted RC had he gotten support. That part seems wolfy to me.

i disagree but i like this read from you

@sheep

why do you disagree with this?

Banakai - 169 to 172: Weird gut feelings about 169 and 170. They both feel manufactured at a glance. 171 I disagree with actually. I think as town in RC's position I would not be as concerned as I would as scum. At least if I read Blatant's early content as genuinely believing the logic to be sound (like I did) then I would just allow the lynch to go through as I will have a strong towny voice for the rest of the game. Or make the scum waste a prime on a stump. Yes it's annoying to be ML'ed like that but you can still contribute to the game.
However if I'm scum in RC's position and still read BS the same way then I would be panicking because town being in agreement with BS could simply take me out of the game early and severely hurt my team's chance at winning.
It's hard to say how this applies to RC though as he undoubtedly plays this game in a different way than I do. I guess knowing how RC would read blatant scum would be the only real way to gain any real AI intel on him.
172: "Blatant scum would be my biggest vote RN but I won't vote and leave him 1 away from death. -- also he's potentially just one of those trolly players, which I would normally like to lynch anyway (but in this game if we lynch him and hes town he sticks around)" This assumes BS to continue "trolling" after death which I heavily do not agree with.

Penguin -

Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative. I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.

Let's not leave it at that since you brought it up. It happened over the course of 2ish hours - read: quickly. Very likely that you weren't even present before or during the interaction.

This is a hot take. I believe this also eliminates the possibility of a PP/dann team?

Banakai - 185 is good at face value but I will want to revisit it later

I mean you didn't talk about why you found anyone else above null - and it's pretty easy to pick up on - so, no I don't really feel like it.

I find it laughable that you and pyrrha have such strong reads right now. Two slots haven't even generated any content and one is just creating noise.

Sheep being dann's lynch of choice and Penguin being skeptical of dann makes me feel a little weird about this interaction as a whole. I can't put my finger on my feelings yet.

genuinely believes that everything he's been doing is protown

Yeah uh sheep you kinda have been contradicted by the person you are defending

me too though? although I wouldn't call it defending in my case as I haven't TR'ed BS

My D3 BoP line was partly joking, also after your response I can see how people can call what BS is doing pro-town, BS just said they aren’t towny

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d say Scum!Pine doesn’t lurk but Town!Pine doesn’t lurk either and the last time he was lurky he was scum (although he was lurky due to irl reasons, it feels similar)

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda like your sheep read but I still think BS is scum
Pyrrha I think I’m fine calling her town rn
eth0s eh I don’t believe I do

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda like your sheep read but I still think BS is scum

you still think sheep has scum equity or you think he's probably town?

unsure what liking my read means in this instance

Think sheep has scum equity
Wouldn’t include the qualifier otherwise

[Gamma Emerald]

gut says almost everyone who's been psoting is villa and gut also says it's not that easy idek

Highly unlikely and unless the scumteam is exactly BS/Pine, one or more of my tr is wrong.

I would not balk very much at that team guess rn

[Gamma Emerald]

on Dan:

why I didn't elaborate: I didn't have time to type out every thought the other day

at the start of the game he's very suspcious of BS, then suddenly in post 176 he changes to "BS IS TOWN" seemingly instantly. Just seems a little weird to me. What caused this sudden change?

I'm disappointed that no-one has laid down a vote since the first few pages of the game. RVS is important and I feel we've skipped entirely by it. Regardless, I think this game-state indicates that BS is more likely town than not.

im actually really confident in sheep bs pyrrha dann all villa

is the size of the remaining poe game winning

So... Put down a vote on one of them?

these and many other quotes in his ISO seem to indicate he really wants people to vote. even 200 posts in he's still advocating for RVS votes. Why do you want people to vote so bad? idk seems kinda scummy to me. Usually town wants to hold off lynching someone until close to the deadline.

Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative. I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.

also this - he says he isn't BS' scum buddy because the BS vs RC situation wouldn't happen, an argument that makes no sense. Later when questioned about it, he redacts this statement.

also just in general this quote shows he's worried about being called scum? IMO pushing the alternative in general isn't the scummy thing. He already said he was townreading BS, why does he need to prove his vote isn't scummy?

Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative. I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.

Factional Communication:

During the night phase

you may talk with your partner [Private Topic Link]here[/Private Topic Link].

Out of curiosity, how would you stop me?

Oh, I haven't played in a game without day talk in a while.

to me this reads a little like a fake town slip

Why is advocating votes bad, in fact how the heck does RVS figure into it at all? Also how is the alleged “townslip” that?

[Gamma Emerald]

look at us we're in character

Do you have any scumgames I could look at?

Not anything recent that I can recall
Like legit the last time I recall seeing him play was 2016

[Gamma Emerald]

Cool

[Gamma Emerald]

He wasn’t scum in the game I remember
I know that much

[Gamma Emerald]

im really not gonna do it, you're gonna have to let go

Spoiler:

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Banakai
BS seems to be losing steam and I feel like his Dann push is actually somewhat sketchy, he looks like he is grasping for straws.

[Gamma Emerald]

Did he actually surf through the town games? Even then scum can fake-meta. Caught a scum off a poor attempt once.

[Gamma Emerald]

HOW does Dannflor resemble Vedith

[Gamma Emerald]

Ah
Also Vedith is a butt

[Gamma Emerald]

I only mean that like halfway, and even then it’s silly

[Gamma Emerald]

It just seems so forced though

[Gamma Emerald]

It just seems so forced though

idk how it's forced. I'll admit it's a bit weak. I wasn't trying to convince anyone to vote him, I still think BS would be a better overall lynch. I just wanted to get it out there that I saw some peculiar behavior in him. I know most people are and were town reading him, and I'm going to mostly trust their judgement for now until I see more shady shit. I just don't think he's such obv town like everyone else seems to think.

why do you think I would try to "force" a scum read on one of the most town-read players in the game.

Throwing RVS in to your point about asking about votes when it is not involved at all and calling something out as a fake townslip when there’s nothing that makes it less of a possible scum post at the surface level tells me you are trying way to hard to justify yourself.

[Gamma Emerald]

The lack of RVS votes is just odd.

Assuming this is what Banakai is referencing, this isn’t calling for RVS votes at all. It’s noting that RVS not happening is unusual.
And Dann could easily make that post as scum, like super easily, to the point that it wouldn’t be valid as a “fake townslip” if that was the case. It’s just scum commenting on something they already knew. Now if he had asked about it, then it would have made more sense. But he didn’t, and it came up in a way he wasn’t at all planning on. So no, that’s not a fake townslip. In fact I feel like writing this out has made me realize it holds more weight as a real townslip. Gratz.

[Gamma Emerald]

im ready to say that banakai is very probably town
BS is not very probably town he just leans that way
can't confirm dann yet as he'd be good at scum; his anticipation of potential scumreading of his posts could reflect a scum mindset but probably doesn't
gamma emerald's iso is a bunch of oneliners i don't really

get

much from; if i had to vigshot someone right now it'd probably be him. But I'm not yet at the point where I can credibly advocate for his lynch. he replaced RC though, so I'll have to untangle that whole thing at some point.
Leaves about 3 people still unconsidered

Why is Banakai “very probably town”? And I really don’t think I’ve been posting too many one liners this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

eth0s wagon is a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

RC was already on BS when the self vote happened

[Gamma Emerald]

RC was already on BS when the self vote happened

But didn’t he unvote before replacing out?

Yes? Like are you thinking RC’s buddy would have hammered?

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s cool. I knew too.

Knew before coming in but would’ve known it was her after one meta game reference

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: pyrrha

LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

What the fresh fuck

[Gamma Emerald]

Seems like eth0s has pushed
>Pyrrha
>Penguin
Both of whom I townread
Not a fan.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma*

I think your pushes are awful and on bad targets
I am considering voting you

[Gamma Emerald]

sheep pyrrha dann
bs
pp gemma psyche
ethos banakai

Explain your middle 2 tiers pls

[Gamma Emerald]

I still want gamma's input on this situation.

Ok why did you want it so much

[Gamma Emerald]

It was a serious intention. When it started to be discussed a lot, I figured up, that the first person who would stop talking about it and would actually try to scum hunt would be likely town.
The problem is that town went from talking about mechanics to talking about me!scum.

Ok who is town by this

[Gamma Emerald]

if you're only giving 3 hours then just get it over with.

this is stupid. gamma and dann should be giving input before I get hammered.

This...feels like stalling

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: eth0s
Hammer whenever, if he was FF he would have claimed it by now

[Gamma Emerald]

Psyche if you still just have “he posted one-liners” as your reasoning for your read on me then you are quite off the mark. My ISO is not all one liners, there’s quite a few points where I write quite a bit out about what I am saying.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, where are your reads at right now?

Still pretty good with my Town core of {Dann, Pyrrha, PP}. Don’t really suspect anyone else too strongly but I might want to pick up the thread with Banakai again because I don’t recall wrapping that up

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s still there just cooled off. This game has been in the back of my mind for the entirety of the night phase.

[Gamma Emerald]

The lack of RVS votes is just odd.

Assuming this is what Banakai is referencing, this isn’t calling for RVS votes at all. It’s noting that RVS not happening is unusual.
And Dann could easily make that post as scum, like super easily, to the point that it wouldn’t be valid as a “fake townslip” if that was the case. It’s just scum commenting on something they already knew. Now if he had asked about it, then it would have made more sense. But he didn’t, and it came up in a way he wasn’t at all planning on. So no, that’s not a fake townslip. In fact I feel like writing this out has made me realize it holds more weight as a real townslip. Gratz.

Did Banakai ever actually respond to this
Also I believe there’s a question I asked BS about his conclusions from his early stratagem that is unanswered

[Gamma Emerald]

it smells like updog out here

What’s a smell?

[Gamma Emerald]

The lack of RVS votes is just odd.

Assuming this is what Banakai is referencing, this isn’t calling for RVS votes at all. It’s noting that RVS not happening is unusual.
And Dann could easily make that post as scum, like super easily, to the point that it wouldn’t be valid as a “fake townslip” if that was the case. It’s just scum commenting on something they already knew. Now if he had asked about it, then it would have made more sense. But he didn’t, and it came up in a way he wasn’t at all planning on. So no, that’s not a fake townslip. In fact I feel like writing this out has made me realize it holds more weight as a real townslip. Gratz.

Did Banakai ever actually respond to this
Also I believe there’s a question I asked BS about his conclusions from his early stratagem that is unanswered

Banakai since being subtle doesn’t work, please give a proper response to this

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean everyone who voted eth0s was wrong on him. Don’t see why anyone has to explicitly state that.

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean everyone who voted eth0s was wrong on him.

not true.

*if they are town
HAPPY?

[Gamma Emerald]

Official Vote Count 1.22

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

eth0s

(5): Pyrrha Nikos, PenguinPower, Banakai, Gamma Emerald, Psyche

<-- LYNCH

Pyrrha Nikos

(1): eth0s

Banakai

(1): sheepsaysmeep

Not Voting

(2): Blatant Scum, Dannflor

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-16 07:30:00).

Mod notes:

Dannflor is V/LA until the 11th[/area]

:thonk:

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I definitely don’t see where you explained how Dann wanted RVS votes. He wanted more activity and more effort it seems.

[Gamma Emerald]

It was a serious intention. When it started to be discussed a lot, I figured up, that the first person who would stop talking about it and would actually try to scum hunt would be likely town.
The problem is that town went from talking about mechanics to talking about me!scum.

Ok who is town by this

@BS

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald, who would you like to lynch today?

Thinking about it rn I individually think Psyche and Banakai are both the most suspect. Psyche’s reads just seem questionable based on the fact he has a take on me that has no basis in fact but is a real common take on me in other games. And Banakai has kinda been spouting nonsense imo.
VOTE: Psyche
I actually feel like this could be scum more rn

[Gamma Emerald]

It was a serious intention. When it started to be discussed a lot, I figured up, that the first person who would stop talking about it and would actually try to scum hunt would be likely town.
The problem is that town went from talking about mechanics to talking about me!scum.

Ok who is town by this

@BS

Push mechanics->scumhunting is towny
but push mechanics->mislynching me is NAI

So noone.

Can’t accept this answer. Even if you were the push there was scumhunting going on.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lynch pyrrha and if it flips town lynch psyche, one of them is scum.

Why

psyche should be given the leniency today

Why

[Gamma Emerald]

I wouldn’t say that pushing someone for suggesting PLs on town is “no reason”

[Gamma Emerald]

Except that probably makes the game toxic. So no. And that doesn’t really address what I am talking about.

[Gamma Emerald]

Here Psyche, if enough of town overdose on this, there maybe possibly be some bizarro alternate universe, where I can actually be scum here:

Spoiler:

Is that a real website lmfao

[Gamma Emerald]

@Dann that criticism is fair but psyche’s read is so low effort it’s hard to rebuff it in any other way. I can see your take on Banakai too, I do remember MD going the way you described.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Dann that criticism is fair but psyche’s read is so low effort it’s hard to rebuff it in any other way. I can see your take on Banakai too, I do remember MD going the way you described.

What about his other reads though? I think he has some interesting takes but you kinda just rebuffed them all in one fell swoop

If I already feel his read on is lazy how do you think I’m going to judge the rest of his reads? I guess I could do it despite that but I doubt anything will impress me.

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI you can use the PM button and then cut the text and paste it where you want to post it to quote locked threads

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s under the user’s avatar (if they have one), it goes to a PM page with the text from the post selected already there in the message box
So you can use that and then take the text from that box and put it into the message box you want to put your quote in

[Gamma Emerald]

sheep pyrrha dann
bs
pp

gemma

psyche
ethos banakai

Lol, just noticed this. Sheep, you never ever want to confuse Gamma with Gemma. I doubt I will ever forget Gemma and her getting me modkilled.

Wait who the f was Gemma
Sheep’s called me that since forever I believe

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s a pretty spicy take, kinda like it

[Gamma Emerald]

GE can you be more specific about which sentences in banakai's spicy take you like??

The part about thinking you might be overcompensating seems authentic

That’s a pretty spicy take, kinda like it

Like it or agree?, because I’m never scum here regardless but it’s making me less want to vote there.

Like it, but don’t wholly agree

[Gamma Emerald]

and he says i'm voting pyrra but i'm not and i never have

No but you were pushing me yesterday but you haven’t voted me. The only one who has is WOAT Ethos iirc.

think i believe the meta reads re:pyrra
i'm gonna revisit my gamma read and decide whether i'll double down on it or not

Could Psyche/sheep be the scumteam?

I think people in these games are always too ready to townread the people making the neat cases and finding the tells, and scumread those who are comparatively inactive or messy. It's a useful bias that helps drive useful content, but when push comes to shove it results in strong townreads that can throw games.

Being someone in pyrra's poe and having my role pm, I know by my own poe that at least one of her hard townreads are probably wrong

. The kinds of stuff she thinks are scummy just aren't ("bit"??) and there's probably analogous weaknesses in her townreading. She's not the only one in the game w/ her general readlist. The wake-up call ought to come sooner rather than later.

How do you

know

one of my hard townreads is wrong? Your role pm tells you nothing about any other slot in the game.

BS was never a “hard townread” but a townlean and you also shouldn’t

know

Banaki’s alignment either so this reads like a possible TMI?

How do you not have any read on sheep yet?

penguin, pine, and sheep have been in the background all game to me
haven't seen one post yet that has really held my interest, even while i've scanned through all their isos at least once
something will come eventually

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah that question weird af
I’d call the scum text color more of an orange

[Gamma Emerald]

Or just look at the op lol

[Gamma Emerald]

@pyrrha

[Gamma Emerald]

Like you disagreeing with Gamma over something that was an obvious fact - BS wanted to pl RC, for example.

i disagree that bs needed to vote rc when no one in thread agreed with him anyway

It wasn’t that he needed to, it’s that if BS was genuine he should have

[Gamma Emerald]

they are both black (besides a few words in scum text)?

is this a scum test or a color blind test?

Prodge.
Also, there was like 1% chance, that if you are scum, you could slip and say you had brown text.

I am having a funny test tomorrow, so I will post a highly informative post which is likely to win us the game.

@Banakai, was your role in role PM written in red or brown colour?

So was the point of this, is if he answered brown, you would take it as a scumclaim?

Yes.

This makes no sense. Why would you assume it was a scumclaim off a 1% chance? I hope you never go to a casino because you suck at odds

[Gamma Emerald]

Have some new thoughts on who might be the scumteam (new for me anyway) but want to let things develop further before saying what I think

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Banakai is trying to make the point that by being pushed for a PL it discredits the idea of pushing him, but I can definitely see how that message can slip by
@pyrrha

[Gamma Emerald]

Wdym you expect Psyche to be lower

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Banakai is trying to make the point that by being pushed for a PL it discredits the idea of pushing him, but I can definitely see how that message can slip by
@pyrrha

Disagree. I don’t think scum ever wants to be pl’d for any reason. I do buy that scum would prefer being pl’d to sr but for Banaki to actually claim he’d be “happy” about that strains credulity, imo.

See I don’t think that’s what Banakai was saying at all, it just comes off that way because he phrased it poorly. If someone gives a bad reason to vote you and you’re scum, you’ll probably be happy about it because you can refute that and tear apart the idea you’re scummy, because even if good reasons exist the bad reasons can obscure them.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wdym you expect Psyche to be lower

He was a replacement, why wouldn’t he be lower?

Like Idk what you’re trying to say by saying Psyche being higher than Banakai is nagl, who is it nagl for, and how exactly?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Banakai is trying to make the point that by being pushed for a PL it discredits the idea of pushing him, but I can definitely see how that message can slip by
@pyrrha

Disagree. I don’t think scum ever wants to be pl’d for any reason. I do buy that scum would prefer being pl’d to sr but for Banaki to actually claim he’d be “happy” about that strains credulity, imo.

See I don’t think that’s what Banakai was saying at all, it just comes off that way because he phrased it poorly. If someone gives a bad reason to vote you and you’re scum, you’ll probably be happy about it because you can refute that and tear apart the idea you’re scummy, because even if good reasons exist the bad reasons can obscure them.

No one is ever “happy” to be pushed for a lynch and I didn’t/don’t read RC’s being upset about it as AI in the slightest. What I liked was that he unvoted BS, right before he replaced out. His being unhappy about being pl’d was NAI.

I agree about RC’s reaction bring NAI because that’s his base reaction but you’re acting like Banakai is spouting nonsense when I can get what his idea is

[Gamma Emerald]

I think that is IMPLIED, despite not really being written out.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I read his interactions with you as townier than they actually are.

I need to talk to Gamma.

Whatcha need? I’m actually probably gonna leave in 10 or so minutes

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: sheep
I’ll let this be my answer to “what is my sheep read” for now

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: sheep
I’ll let this be my answer to “what is my sheep read” for now

Can you elaborate on what made you want to vote this over Psyche?

The truth is my current team guess is actually sheep/BS but I wanted to give them time to react before I jumped to a conclusion. When you asked about my read I still wasn’t ready to do full disclosure but I was willing to reveal half of it. I recall Pyrrha suggesting that team earlier and thinking about past interactions that team might actually be solid. And I kinda feel sheep has higher scum equity if that’s not the team too. I could definitely see a sheep/Psyche team.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: sheep
I’ll let this be my answer to “what is my sheep read” for now

Can you elaborate on what made you want to vote this over Psyche?

The truth is my current team guess is actually sheep/BS but I wanted to give them time to react before I jumped to a conclusion. When you asked about my read I still wasn’t ready to do full disclosure but I was willing to reveal half of it. I recall Pyrrha suggesting that team earlier and thinking about past interactions that team might actually be solid. And I kinda feel sheep has higher scum equity if that’s not the team too. I could definitely see a sheep/Psyche team.

What's your read on Banakai?

Mostly I'm curious what made you shift from "Psyche/Banakai" are the two scummiest slots to "Sheep/BS is my team guess."

Psyche and Banakai were rather scummy, but imo their partner equity is lower than sheep and BS

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not satisfied with that explanation from Gamma, Pyrrha

I still want to know where his overall thoughts are, especially on Banakai

If possible, I'd love a reads list ranking his bottom reads

So just the scumreads?

[Gamma Emerald]

And like I feel like my current headspace is Psyche is my strongest individual scumread, sheep is second strongest individual, and BS and Banakai are both somewhat nebulous around third and fourth. I feel like you may have a point about Banakai pushing you being a town thing but I also think his logic has kinda sucked and he acts like he has explained himself when he hasn’t

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not satisfied with that explanation from Gamma, Pyrrha

I still want to know where his overall thoughts are, especially on Banakai

If possible, I'd love a reads list ranking his bottom reads

So just the scumreads?

Or everything if you can

I just wanna know where you're at holistically

Ok
To add onto that I think Pyrrha is like irrevocably town here, she’s been consistently driving the game forward, I don’t detect any agenda, and her stances feel like they come from town
You and Penguin are also town for me, but tbh I feel like Penguin has dropped off a little lately which does make my TR on him a little weaker than my TR on you
As for you your reads look genuine and imo you kinda have been showing an underlying paranoia that kinda comes from town

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah it feels like it’s just us chickens in here

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, why do you scum read BS?

He hasn’t really done anything to actually help the game
His attempts at contribution so far just feel like smoke and mirrors

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we just agree that if we lynch Sheep today and he flips scum we lynch me tomorrow? I think you two arguing about me is a waste of time here.

[Gamma Emerald]

I honestly think lynching scum once puts the game heavily in town’s favor. As such I am willing to make a sacrifice like that upon a scumflip.

[Gamma Emerald]

Could you link those games please?

[Gamma Emerald]

l’pagetop

[Gamma Emerald]

eth0s I think I just don’t understand how your brain works

[Gamma Emerald]

They are not good posts but I thought the second one was a response to pyrrha

You're right. I misinterpreted the pyrrha post but I still dont like the gamma ones.

You need to check yourself because it looks like despite having it be pointed out that your read pretty much makes no damn sense since there WAS a reason to make my second post, you still want to suspect what I said. What the hell is suspicious about trying to un-derail the discussion? I would normally not get bothered by this brand of shading since it’s normally a town thing I feel but you’re flipped so I think it needs to be addressed.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we please get someone that will consistently post this time

[Gamma Emerald]

They are not good posts but I thought the second one was a response to pyrrha

You're right. I misinterpreted the pyrrha post but I still dont like the gamma ones.

You need to check yourself because it looks like despite having it be pointed out that your read pretty much makes no damn sense since there WAS a reason to make my second post, you still want to suspect what I said. What the hell is suspicious about trying to un-derail the discussion? I would normally not get bothered by this brand of shading since it’s normally a town thing I feel but you’re flipped so I think it needs to be addressed.

I mean dann agreed that the posts were bad and you don't care? why don't you discuss this stuff with a living slot and actually try to sort them instead of the dead slot that can't vote?

I have Dann solidly sorted as town, plus it sorta functions as a general response too.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think scum have given up

I wish stumps couldn't talk.

I'm fine with sheep today. I won't necessarily sheep dann if it flips red though. Psyche slot is underwhelming.

I'm still trying to parse this post and it looks scummier every time I look at it.

Which part, the part about him apparently dissing you or the part about his read on sheep/Psyche being good?

Like I can understand WHY you don’t like it but why you actually sr it, is a mystery to me.

there's the fact that I'm contributing much more than him but he feels the need to complain about my ability to talk, how he is "okay" with the easiest lynch of the day but doesn't dive in any deeper. Saying he won't sheep dann if the thing he's been pushing basically all game flips red (when he's basically been sheeping dann already anyway) and is basically just shading psyche.

It’s good he said he wouldn’t sheep Dann AT the SPECIFIC TIME he said it, because Dann wanted to lynch Gamma and please tell me why you’re townreading Psyche here?

I never said I was townreading psyche

Seems like you did to me
I might fetch the quotes indicating this

[Gamma Emerald]

@Blatant Scum, what is your current read on Psyche or anyone other than sheep, Banaki, me, for that matter?

Who do you think is Banaki’s buddy?

I townread you and Dannflor

I think that Psyche's reaction on you calling Psyche/ Banakai scumteam makes their team very likely to be scum.

conftown: Blatant Scum eth0s
town: Dannflor Pyrrha Nikos
NAI: Gamma Emerald sheepsaysmeep PenguinPower
scum: Banakai Psyche

If at least one of {Banakai, Psyche} is town, it makes the other go to NAI

Why am I in your nullreads

[Gamma Emerald]

Don’t really have much else to say

[Gamma Emerald]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyway
I feel sick as hell today so I’m probably going to be doing jack shit. In addition:

VLA between Wednesday and Saturday (up through the end of November), Thanksgiving means family time and that means less phone time.

V/LA noted --P

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

Okay, so my initial read on Gamma was right then. I don’t believe Gamma fakeclaims here.

So, then it’s probably Banaki?

What do you think, @Gamma?

Or would scum!sheep really townlock his buddy?

Maybe BS really did tell the truth when he posted that this was his scumgame?

My initial thinking is BS has partner equity as I stated yesterday but I think I should check that for all suspects today

[Gamma Emerald]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.

Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2.

Are you conceding?

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Like this is way too much.

UNVOTE:

You’re CCing Gamma?

@Gamma, your response to this?

I don’t think BS is lying.

Who douses in this setup? I think you townslipped here though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Pyrrha...

Prime a target for ignition by

dousing

them with gasoline.

Oh. UNVOTE:

So BS really is conceding?

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Idk if he’s conceding but it might be RiA

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw Dann remember scum!Oversoul’s suspicious push on me in MG?

Also

Banaki voted me right after Gamma confirmed I wasn’t ignitable

. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

I don’t think you have my role right
I only stop the priming on the night I target a player. If they’re primed earlier or later my role does nothing.

[Gamma Emerald]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.
Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2.

I am tree!

Why did you claim to douse us then and you were very specific?

I just switched Gamma's actions. I though it would be funny, "ha, you got the order wrong"!

This makes sense
Doesn’t clear you though

[Gamma Emerald]

Pyrrha...

Prime a target for ignition by

dousing

them with gasoline.

Oh. UNVOTE:

So BS really is conceding?

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Idk if he’s conceding but it might be RiA

RiA?

I think he’s a frame and sheep distanced Banaki.

RiA = Refuge in Audacity

[Gamma Emerald]

Haven’t looked for myself but Pyrrha’s points on Banakai look good

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel that self voting is against wincon when you are town or the only scum left.

Idk it could be trying a gambit as scum thinking he’s effectively read the room
Like the timing seems ripe for that burst of AtE
Plus he only does it when it doesn’t hammer him

[Gamma Emerald]

i hate people who self vote there's quite literally no reason to ever self vote

this is like the one thing that's an automatic reason for me to lynch someone

i can see this likely flipping town but now i'm obligated to vote him

Do it then
And like there can be reason to self vote
I have self hammered a few times as town to avoid deadline no lynch or just take myself off the table
I won’t say it was the best idea but I don’t feel like I need to apologize for it

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: january

Why
I think january makes a fair statement about how townread you are

[Gamma Emerald]

Perhaps you missed the part where she agreed about

trying to find support for a predetermined read

and for some reason thinking that Bs and Banakai were bastions of town compared to me.

Don’t buy it.

?
What does that mean

[Gamma Emerald]

She assumed I was scum and then read my posts with the intention of finding supporting evidence...admittedly.

Why did she assume you were scum

[Gamma Emerald]

sorry to leave you hanging january

v/la for a day or two, very sick

UNVOTE:

V/LA noted. Get well soon --P

My condolences, coming off of a bug myself

[Gamma Emerald]

Prolly gonna start this day from scratch because I’ve missed some shit

[Gamma Emerald]

heyo! yes, i've read around 2/3 of the game

current reads are (town to scum)
Dann
banakai
pyrrha
penguin
bs
gamma

will go on to explain them but i like starting out with reads first to save everyone time

We’re these explained yet? Your reads are kinda zigzag of the consensus here it seems

also: im aware that my slot has been pretty heavily scumread but in my (completely unbiased!) opinion psyche was actually quite towny and would place him around 2nd or 3rd on that list^

i feel like he was scumread mostly for the way he posted rather than the content itself... if that makes sense? like to me dann is obvtown because he's more active and leader-y but i feel like theres a few of psyche's posts that were quite towny but ignored

Was this explained, also? Because like I actually was SRing Psyche for his what rather than his how

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah fair i felt like pyrrha's early d1 was a lot scummier than the rest

i did base most of my reads on early game just because i skimmed through late d1 and early d2

i just feel like her playstyle just seems a bit... different? feels like her reads are a bit too jumpy. i'm a bit lazy to compare meta rn but if anyone has info i'd appreciate it

oh and also i feel like she's relying way too much on meta to make reads. for example the sheep read - felt like if she had disregarded meta then sheep would have been pretty obvmaf to her. forgot if she ended up changing her mind but my point is just that meta does not go nearly as far as you might think it does

Why are/were you thinking I was scum if you didn’t read much of D2? I think that’s when the reasons to scumread me became more solid.

I thought Pine was extremely scummy.

Pine had 2 posts...

And yeah I'm gonna case Gamma but not tonight

Yeah lol what about Pine was scummy
I’m not against the idea outright but that needs some rationale

I thought Pine was extremely scummy.

Pine had 2 posts...

And yeah I'm gonna case Gamma but not tonight

january trying to push me here, is pinging me pretty hard. If he tries to push a mislynch on me, he’s defacto scumclaiming imo.

did you quote the wrong post too lol

and idk why you think that someone scumreading you makes them scum...
its not like you've been towny lmfao

waow someone is triggered
Like you seem to have this caustic blowback as your default reaction to pressure. Not the best.

ok well that's quite annoying lol

if i was to randomly start this day scumreading dann, i think he'd ask me why rather than just quickly calling me scum
and i'd townread him more for that

Yeah, if you started this day sr Dann, I’d probably also call you scum. You’re lhf yes? So, why wouldn’t I sr for pushing

anyone

whom I read as obvtown?

it's a hypothetical and i wasn't talking about you i was talking about dann

and oh idk because people have different reads maybe?

You’re missing the point, whether you’d pushed Dann or Pyrrha, her reaction would have been the same

im more than willing to 1v1 you if you for some reason make the mistake of forcing it (:

if only because i know for a fact i'll win and i want to prove it

but that's beside the point... i don't think that'll get anywhere except for improving my ego

January gets into this ego thing quite a bit and part of me thinks it’s somewhat towny because of just being a dumb thing to get into but there’s no issue in the perspective I see for it to be scum

it has nothing to do with your flip and everything to do with me being townier than you (:

anyways this isn't getting anywhere i'm going to sleep

lmao you think you are townier than Pyrrha rn?

exactly! you're supporting my point rn

if i win the hypothetical 1v1 then it proves you wrong, thus it's an "ego lynch" rather than a game-furthering lynch. i come from a site where people accept these as 2 different things, so maybe we're just using different vocabulary. maybe "annoyed with you so i lynch you without regard to whether or not i think you're scum" is a better description of what i mean by "ego lynch"?

of course your ego didn't feel good lynching eth0s he was obvious town lol

Yeah no eth0s wasn’t obvtown or else he wouldn’t have been lynched. Tbh you really should back that up because at this point either you really suck at making reads, or you’re scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

dont tell me someones pretending nancy can be wolf

Okay, maybe january is town. Would sheep really say that to a buddy? Unlikely

Why

i kinda like blatant scum asking to lynch rc actually

in terms of villageriness not agreeableness

i admittedly understand where bs is coming from and i'd be too scared or self conscious to come in and announce that i want to lynch rc d1 as wolf, given the backlash it caused immediately was pretty predictable; also how much he pursues that so confidently for 2 pages shows he genuinely believes it's a good decision?

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

i literally read like 2 of rc's posts

he was not wolfy to me

he was not wolfy to bs either who is the only one ive been talking about

Maybe this was less about BS than Gamma? Because sheep obviously knows that BS and Gamma are never SvS. If Gamma really is scum here, than BS is my hero.

Iow, if Gamma is his buddy, BS townflip is terrible for Gamma.

I never really saw much of an expansion on this idea, can you do that now? I don’t get how you got so certain of this idea.

UNVOTE:

Okay, so my initial read on Gamma was right then. I don’t believe Gamma fakeclaims here.

So, then it’s probably Banaki?

What do you think, @Gamma?

Or would scum!sheep really townlock his buddy?

Maybe BS really did tell the truth when he posted that this was his scumgame?

My guess would january rn, yeah the thing about Banakai being inactive around the time of the sheep wagon is pretty valid but on top of existing suspicions on Psyche, january just seems like scum trying to scramble here

sorry i'll spell everything i say out very very clearly

beating you if you forced a 1v1 would improve my ego because it would mean i'm townier than you
this would prove that you are incorrect about you being more "obvtown" than me and therefore mean that i am actually more "obvtown" than you
thus improving my fragile ego by proving that i am better than you
QED

Hi, fellow mathematician.

Why why WHY is THIS what you choose to engage with???

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you think january has a mental condition?

[Gamma Emerald]

yes sorry for not posting much I have a lot going on

tbh I completely didn't expect sheep to be scum and wouldn't have been on the wagon (I wasn't there for it anyway)

I was actually thinking this gives pyrrha some credibility because I believe she was going for sheep pretty hard but now im not sure

she really seems to be squirming today cause of january

VOTE: pyrrha

ill admit i could go over her iso a little better and probably will. but I don't like how she looks today.

Yeah maybe january Russell’d Pyrrha’s feathers a little bit but that isn’t a point against Pyrrha imo. What I judge more harshly is january having like the wonkiest set of takes all game.

[Gamma Emerald]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.

Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2

.

Gamma claiming to target me over Dann N1 is sus, because no one was more obvtown than Dann D1. This reads more like, FF probably is probably saving Dann, so Pyrrha is likely ignitable.

Yeah, it’s Gamma. That fake Ff claim was pretty ballsy. Did you seriously not think you’d not get CC’d?

Btw
If it wasn’t clear already, Pyrrha is town. I don’t see her talking so certainly about my scumflip in these instances if she is scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I am tree!

Ok Groot

[Gamma Emerald]

pls read

go back to my post
and look where it says “this is my second game”

if my first game was town, and this is my second game (also town!! who would have guessed haha!) then do you think i have any completed scumgames? (answer is no)

I think Pyrrha is calling for offsite meta -_-
Unless this is like the only place you’ve played mafia so far, in which case how did you hear about it in the first place lol?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you think january has a mental condition?

He seems like a person who thinks like a mathematician to me.

Sorry but “mental condition” sounds somewhat ableist tbh
Question still stands: why do you choose to engage with that over real content?

[Gamma Emerald]

responding to all of gamma’s stuff, sorry quoting doesn’t work on mobile so it’s just a big block of stuff
—————
i did explain the reads i think? they definitely changed since then but if you have questions on a specific read it’d be easier to explain

i can show u the quotes i liked. i townread him more for the “what” and i think his delivery was just perceived as weaker? idk how to explain it exactly but i’ll find the quotes

can also explain this in more detail. but i think i just townread everyone else more than you. i made a list of reads and i had at least one post that i was like “i’m pretty sure this person is town” for everyone except u. clearly that was wrong but at the time it seemed valid to me

yeah i was annoyed and i kinda still am. self meta but i do it more as town. it frustrates me when i get scumread for something that isn’t even scummy. won’t say more just cuz... don’t say things when you’re annoyed right

no i think both of u misinterpreted my point. i said that DANN would not immediately scumread me if i said i sr him. the hypothetical has nothing to do with pyrrha, it was just me criticizing her response by comparing it with how someone else might respond. i’m quite aware that pyrrha would probably respond the same if i was to scumread dann

eth0s had one particular post that was Very Towny to me, i’ll find it. sure i think he was probably stronger early d1 than the rest but at that point i had set him aside as town already. don’t see how having this read makes me scum and i can’t be that bad at making reads if it’s right...

Responding in order:

I think the best thing for you to do regarding explaining reads is tell me about what determines the order, that’s what feels weird imo
Okay I’ll wait for that I guess
I find this idea of townreading everyone else more mildly sketchy tbh but I’ll wait to go further until you respond to this and explain the read order
Ummm okay
Point taken but I was more explaining the point Pyrrha was making
I want to know how that one post made him “obvtown”. And like that eth0s read was “right” but he was very scummy, especially towards EoD1 which probably would explain your lack of feeling that way. And that read alone doesn’t make you scum but as a whole I find your board of reads scummy.

Also I would like it if you voted some time soon

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: bankai

will go through him again when im on a laptop

and i feel like this interaction could go either way so i'd say disregard this part

on one hand, this could be an attempted halfhearted bus between sheep and partner-banakai bc the reads backing this are kinda lacking

on the other hand, could be an attempt to make it seem like a bus. or it's just sheep's attempt to get a scummytown lynched

love wifom

Why does this post exist
Like it doesn’t really add to the case at all and it looks like Jan knows it
It makes me extra cheesed because I dislike WIFOM along these lines and Jan just pulled it up for no apparent reason argh

Also 1399 is uhhh because like I just made the comment about why Jan would SR me if she hadn’t really seen D2 and now there’s this
Really makes me think sheep/Psyche left her a road map to play this game in the scum PT and she’s trying to read it but it’s got water damage so she can’t see it clearly

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait I linked the wrong post there

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I meant to link 1374

[Gamma Emerald]

oh and btw this is kinda late and mostly irrelevant bc i hope we can lynch maf in less than 3 lynches

it was better for FF not to out who they (poured water on? i forgot what the power was called)

bc if mafia thinks they're successful with dousing every night, then they'll try to ignite after ML #2, which would decrease our lynchpool and increase odds purely statistically

I counted the lynches and stuff that we have left so I might as well post it here even though hopefully we don't need to get that far

Spoiler: lynch math

D3: 1 maf, 6 town... 2 town primed (assuming worst case)
mislynch on D3 -> D4: 1 maf, 5 town...

mislynch on D4:
Worst Case: 3 town primed - Loss
* Ignite: 3/4 living town were doused < worst case scenario, where all douses were successful and still alive
Otherwise - we get an extra lynch
* Ignite: 1 maf, 2 town (1 maf prime failed)
* No ignite: 1 maf, 4 town... 3 primed

tldr - we have 3 chances to lynch maf if any one of the douses failed or died

Tbh I outed my targets as a talking point, plus I figured some one was gonna ask.

[Gamma Emerald]

Haven’t looked for myself but Pyrrha’s points on Banakai look good

I still think this but rn Jan is also rather suspect

[Gamma Emerald]

i hate people who self vote there's quite literally no reason to ever self vote

this is like the one thing that's an automatic reason for me to lynch someone

i can see this likely flipping town but now i'm obligated to vote him

Uhhh the fact Jan hasn’t voted afaict given this post is kinda a wut moment
Seems like scum posturing tbh
VOTE: January
Not totally final but Jan has been all over the place in a rather scummy way

[Gamma Emerald]

I disagree with you there...quite a bit.

Ok, elaborate then?

I already did. I think her "case" on me is predicated on her "read" on me and not the other way around.

Idk about this
You might have a point but I also feel like she makes a decent point about pushing your reads
Of course that can be for multiple reasons, not all being related to being scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you think january has a mental condition?

He seems like a person who thinks like a mathematician to me.

Sorry but “mental condition” sounds somewhat ableist tbh
Question still stands: why do you choose to engage with that over real content?

The post and series of posts before it were very close to my mindset. I like things close to my mindset so I reacted.
Also, I asked a question in 1262, which was engaging with real content.

I mean yeah but that content came later, you came in with something that seemed super random
Thanks for the explanation tho

[Gamma Emerald]

preferably not me after i’ve towntold a lot

and yes i would like to lynch penguin but i know i’m not confident on that

(no that’s not scum setting up for a mislynch, i seriously don’t feel confident in any of my reads. i just have a gut read that banakai isn’t scum and penguin reads as scummier than me)

You really seem to have a lack of conviction here
You seem to be super doubtful of your scumreads and you are giving reasons that aren’t very strong
This kinda doesn’t mesh with the confident persons you have been putting forward imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Am I allowed to vote Banakai yet
Would still kinda prefer Jan but I also like the reasons for Banakai

[Gamma Emerald]

btw my problems with you were

well I think I had this like fever dream while I was sick that everything clicked together and I KNEW you were scum for some reason but now that I'm actually thinking about it I have nothing like that

I did feel that you coming into Psyche's slot were doing exactly what a scum!january would need to do to win the game however. Like you come in with one hard scum read on Gamma, basically just sheeping me, and then when Gamma turns out to be an IC you kinda flounder for a while and from an outside perspective it felt to me like you were panicking a little bit. The jump to challenging the Penguin town reads instead of say, Blatant Scum, who was next in line on your reads list seemed off to me, like you needed to break up the consensus town reads first instead of going for the lower hanging lynch bait in order to win. There's also the fact that you're paranoid of me at first, and then when I express suspicions of you, you completely drop that paranoia which sorta read like a desperate attempt to pocket me?

A lot of this might seem like conf biasing, and maybe it is, but I think it's important to get it all out there anyway.

Also, I kinda feel like your Banakai "town tell" is very weak and the extent to which you're defending him reads TMI.

Tbh I don’t think you’re confbiasing because I got the exact impression you did

[Gamma Emerald]

also like I don’t even know that I want to lynch january

I don’t know who I want to lynch at all

Sorry guys no masterplan I’m just trying to figure things out

We don’t need a masterplan
Just need you to stop killing the momentum
This is the third day in a row you’ve wanted to wait to sort the game

[Gamma Emerald]

also like I don’t even know that I want to lynch january

I don’t know who I want to lynch at all

Sorry guys no masterplan I’m just trying to figure things out

We don’t need a masterplan
Just need you to stop killing the momentum
This is the third day in a row you’ve wanted to wait to sort the game

I don’t want to kill momentum. I’m here, I want to keep sorting. Can you explain why january is your top scum read for me? I feel like I know what penguins reasons are but I forgot why you’re voting there. I think it might help me clear my head.

I agreed with what you said on the matter: it looked like Jan was playing the way scum should play coming in. My own personal spin on that is the fact I think she was given pointers in the scum PT about what to press, which led to some rather incongruous looking thought processes.
As for thoughts on the Penguin case I think I found it somewhat interesting but not really convincing

[Gamma Emerald]

I think she was given pointers in the scum PT about what to press, which led to some rather incongruous looking thought processes.

What? Sheep is dead, also there's no day talk. I'm not sure about this one.

I mean it was very clear that I was going to be one of the first ones pushed today
But yeah no day talk screws with my thinking

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah sheeep wasn’t stumped

[Gamma Emerald]

Wot
idk if “BS is playing” is a valid statement

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Blatant
L-1, do it ASAP

[Gamma Emerald]

That was a pressure L-1 but w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

I was responding to BS saying he’d do things today/tomorrow

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyway, I don’t BS is trolling so he’s probably town

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh I see now
Hmmmm
BS will you do everything in your power to actually catch up today?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
Whatever, still p much stand by what I said barring a recontextualization

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think Gamma caught it

It took me a second but I noticed
Also yay!

[Gamma Emerald]

Game Events

day 1

• eth0s
  is lynched with 0 scum on his wagon.

night 1

• Gamma Emerald
  is dousing
  Pyrrha Nikos
  .
  
• The arsonists
  are priming
  Dannflor
  . (success: Dannflor is primed)

day 2

• sheepsaysmeep
  is lynched with 1 scum on his wagon.

night 2

• Gamma Emerald
  is dousing
  Dannflor
  .
  
• The arsonists
  is priming
  Pyrrha Nikos
  . (success: Pyrrha Nikos is primed)

day 3

• Blatant Scum
  is lynched with 0 scum on his wagon.

Links

Links

• Public thread
  
• Mod PT
  
• Arsonist PT (will be released in (expired on 2019-12-07 23:20:00), or sooner if the arsonists agree, or a bit later if I go to bed on time tomorrow night.)
  
• Dead thread
  
• january's notes

HOLY SHIT HE ACTUALLY CLAIMED HIS ACTIONS
Like what the fuuuuuuck

[Gamma Emerald]

I wish I just pled BS instead of getting stuck moralizing about whether it was right to policy lynch and potentially drive a newer player away from the site

Eh BS still got lynched and no one’s feelings got hurt (I think)

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: Micro 898 | Forest Fire | Arsonists

Do as you wish.
I am really bad in night killing.

Idk about this, both of them were good targets and you ended up dodging me by picking the possibly weaker option