Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

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VOTE: Pine

He knows his way around a governor power

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Because of your username, your memes must be related to heisting. Your cooperation will be noted, and resistance will be policy lynched.

Only you ain't no mod this game, and you have no power over us. Does that bug you?

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VOTE: Icon

Even when he's town this dude is scum.

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Also, aren't you supposed to be V/LA for the first half of the game so that everyone will townread you?

I don't have a scumteam this game to carry me, so no.

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STOP PICKING ON ME

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You guys, including Bingle, are just salty you couldn't get me lynched

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Iconeum's gifs aren't funny

your pagetops aren't funny

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which should be policy-lynch worthy this game

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Iconeum's gifs aren't funny

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immabouta end this dragon's whole career

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this dragon is about to experience fear

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But if you unvote me I'll never get the governor shot which will make me irresistible to the cult leader who will then die on recruiting me because I'm scum.

trust me by the end of this day, cult recruiter will be BEGGING me to join them

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ico babby i got some news for ya...

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Iconeum's gifs aren't funny

i will suffocate you in my gifs until YOU FIND THEM FUNNY YOU HEAR ME

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masterminds like Kanye.

@Mod VLA until LYLO

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his name is Iconeum?
imma bout to throw him out like I did with my euphonium

why did you throw it out?

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dw it clicked as soon as i posted #75

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my friends euphonium got stolen last month

sad story

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I thought I was loved by the woopers
this one must be as lame as the coopers

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great plan, guys

just keep poking the dragon

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Imma make it blast worse than a bomb filled with plutonium.

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better make those pagetops worth it

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NO

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NOOOOOOOOOOO

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Sorry, punctuation is a thing.

Cyrus says no

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I also feel like the CHK in CHKflip might stand for ColdHeartedKing, no?

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nothin' much

votes aren't counting yet, either btw (still in conf phase)

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but if we could all agree on a no-lynch vote for the gov, that might speed up the next phase

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i'm all for a no-governour. lynches are much too fun to be denied

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and also, 40 (fourty) player game. PEOPLE NEED TO DIE

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I've heard Dong has a huge…

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PAGETOP

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it's not a lie

it was

in fact

a pagetop

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scummy trip-od

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VOTE: no lynch

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haven't read since page 5

ish

i might tomorrow

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extra no lynch = extra cult recruit option

the role is strictly anti-town

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why are there players voting elsewhere then No Gov?

unless ya'll wanna be recruited?

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Ok after reading that, these are my off the cuff impressions:

If xofelf or chemist turns out to be scum, they are not scum together. I don’t know xofelf but she seems a little clueless/confused for her join date but I can’t tell if it’s a tell or not since I don’t know if it’s normal.

UT seems town to me so far. He is usually an easy read for me, from years ago.

Melnaque seems to have an ulterior motive, but not necessarily scum. Maybe third party.

Bingle is pushing his agenda hard. My gut says that’s a personality trait that he’d do as any loyalty but I’ll wait and see.

Zoraster is town. (Long time no see btw). His thoughts basically echo mine. I had no idea game started.

Bbmolla is acting scummy (for him)

Nero Cain seems town - doesn’t seem concerned with his appearance or how his posts will “seem”

Full disclosure: I have a 60hr/wk job and a 1 year old toddler. I am extremely busy. I’m not sure what my presence will be like in such a big game. I won’t disappear but I won’t be available Willy nilly- maybe one or two dedicated short time periods per day for this game, period, at least until it gets smaller and moves slower. But I will do my best to be active enough to make an impact. It’s been a long time since I’ve played.

nice shotgun reads

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@Amrun

Wrt Bingle, I see Bingle pushing an agenda solely related to the banning of an anti-town role. Why the shade?
Wrt Bbmolla, got anything concrete other then 'he is scummy for his doing'?
Wrt Menal, how are you even managing a third party read at this time?

Can we vote to lynch already or?

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you aren't interesting to me right now

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warning u the cost will be high tho

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I just wanted to see how you responded there

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Doubt that would be fun, but whatever you like.

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I don't know why but it feels good.

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oh shit it's onnnn

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Did you guysVOTE: Vorkuta for your governor yet?

no but you can get my vote after we have lynched amron

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the first five pages make me absolutely furious

stop fucking posting useless garbage or I will fucking vig you

yes I am claiming vig and I will be targeting the person who I count has the most fluffposts, I don't even fucking care if they're a confirmed innocent child

fluffposting is pro-scum in this game

oops

yes please

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the first five pages make me absolutely furious

stop fucking posting useless garbage or I will fucking vig you

yes I am claiming vig and I will be targeting the person who I count has the most fluffposts, I don't even fucking care if they're a confirmed innocent child

fluffposting is pro-scum in this game

the game hasn't even started yet bruh

instead of fucking threatening the guys who are having some fun, could you comment on the actual relevant topics, mr pooper?

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the fun part here is that you joined a 40 player game and are expecting everyone to be serious about it, BEFORE the game even starts?

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BB, you think ur the only one with a gun here?

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Ico do you believe I should have skipped the first 27 pages?

I think there's a number of really interesting posts already made

And reads going on.

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I've already nailed a scum, so you could just shoot there if you like

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The election will work just like any other day; the difference being the winner gets the 1-shot Governor instead of being lynched.

D1 will commence immediately after a winner is chosen, or in 8 days, 19 hours, 35 minutes. Whichever is sooner

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Day hasn't started because mod says so

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VOTE: creature

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ur right

VOTE: no lynch

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89 pages

WHAT IS THIS EVEN I LEFT YESTERDAY AT 25 OR SMT

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and now it's not even in english anymore?

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VOTE: creature


Lets make this game playable

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VOTE: creature


Lets make this game playable

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VOTE: amron

Actual scum

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Have we lunched amron yet?

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ok i'm here after the long weekend

do I need to reply to anything?

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I saw that people think amron is a bad lynch.

why is that?

@FF, I'm town this game, baby.

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you should

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@Amrun

Wrt Bingle, I see Bingle pushing an agenda solely related to the banning of an anti-town role. Why the shade?
Wrt Bbmolla, got anything concrete other then 'he is scummy for his doing'?
Wrt Menal, how are you even managing a third party read at this time?

Can we vote to lynch already or?

Bingle: Yes, as I stated previously, he’s 100% technically correct. However, he seemed to be pushing it pretty hard. As I stated in that same sentence, I got the feeling that it was a personally trait rather than a tell but I didn’t know him enough to say. Since, I’ve decided it’s alignment-neutral.

Bbmolla: As scum, he deflects as much as possible. Obviously it was early for any sort of reliable tell, but IMO, sharing early reads, as sub solid as they may be, gets the ball rolling. And it certainly has. A number of people have commented it and now, my read on bbmolla is neutral, and I have a scum read on Firebringer. And they are certainly not scum together.

Menal: A third party read is a lot less strange in a game where a third party is known to exist. I think menal’s singleminded push for governor is either just goofing off with a complete and utter disregard for game mechanics, or it’s a cover for an actual game mechanic. They want to RP as mayor the whole game? Why, when the governor will most certainly become cult if they survive? Perhaps they are already cult, or immune to cult, or there’s actually a role mechanic that incentivizes cult recruit. Most of these possibilities are anti-town. At the very least, (s)he doesn’t seem to be showing regard for town. In essence, it’s just something about the way they are pushing for mayor that struck me as very off - like they really didn’t care about how it effected the game, but trying a little too hard. And something about it just made me feel like they do not have teammates. UT, on the other hand, and a handful of other people, have made campaigns for governor that didn’t bother me in the slightest.

The entire early list and these answers give me the feeling that you felt compulsed to post a list? And you can't really justify it so you resort to neutral reads on the points that I question it? I wonder what would happen if anyone picked up on some of the stuff you threw at the wall and started eating it.

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so we are lynching either amrun because scum/not town, or chennisden to save this game from his scumtactic of flooding, right?

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so we are lynching either amrun because scum/not town, or chennisden to save this game from his scumtactic of flooding, right?

you should see creature

oh right

i don't any good reason to have 500+ posts at this time

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whattup with Drew case?

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ur a muppet

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you think drew is scum, FF?

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i don't even know how to sort/play a 40p game at this stage

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canyouevenimagineit

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well, i think amrun can die

so can the hyperposters

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Imagine complaining about a 40 player game and then complaining about hyperposting.

hi

not complaining

just sayin' they can go

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you found scum yet, ali?

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and while I'm waiting for bodies to drop I'm shitposting/lurking

got a problem with that?

and yet you barely half

half

of the top posters posts

that's my problem

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have half haf hawffff

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And last but not least.

TSE is still scum but I agree with Bingle, we could leash his power for today.

So let's play a game people: inspired by the one and only, the tree we all love and hate, Mr. Pine himself, I'm giving my vote to the best offer I get. This will be revoked if the winner asks me to vote for one of my 24 townreads, that's the only exception I'm making. Be creative!

Notice this. I wanna play

Didn't town lose in a dramatic fashion, partly due to players giving their vote away?

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InsideJob rolled town this game probably.

probably yes

also amrun is still scum, @Pink Bill

you could just vote park there for now

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InsideJob rolled town this game probably.

probably yes

also amrun is still scum, @Pink Bill

you could just vote park there for now

I wonder if there’s a day cop in this setup.
:/.

it's totally possible there's a bunch of day roles in this setup

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And last but not least.

TSE is still scum but I agree with Bingle, we could leash his power for today.

So let's play a game people: inspired by the one and only, the tree we all love and hate, Mr. Pine himself, I'm giving my vote to the best offer I get. This will be revoked if the winner asks me to vote for one of my 24 townreads, that's the only exception I'm making. Be creative!

Notice this. I wanna play

Didn't town lose in a dramatic fashion, partly due to players giving their vote away?

That's because they were giving their vote to CONFIRMED SCUM; I'm offering it to anyone who is creative enough to make an alliance with me.

Come on Ico, I know you want it

Ok a game it is then.

I will take your vote (and place it on amrun), in exchange you can decide whom I target with my action.

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i know nothing

ur the one talking about day actions

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i think ur trying to see things that aren't there

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I mean, considering how rare day actions tend to be I would say 'more then 1' is a bunch.

Dayvig
Double voter
Gouvernor
Daycop
Gladiator
Vengeful

Just to name a few

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Literally had a novice desperado last game in theme

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day actions

day powers

depends how you look at it

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literally depends how you look at it

any actions that your power/role do that is not during night can be considered day? or twilight?

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So, day actions are common as dirt.
I really should have been talking about day roles/powers.

yeah actual actions that a player can do during day are limited

desperado/vig being most common I'd think

possibly a vote stealer in a setup like this

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But I digress. Amrun scum. Vote there.

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or convince me he's town works too

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oh please use it on me

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that would save a whole bunch of trouble later on

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what who'd you target?

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I've heard Dong has a huge…

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Okay dragon boy it's your turn

come at me, bro

VOTE: creature

Considering all of Iconeum's posts before this are way more useless than mine, this is a quite bit hypocritical.

Ejjjjjjjjjjjj

Oh oops, that's the governor vote

though, there were later policy votes

yeap. can you like understand the shock of coming in after a day and see 120 ish pages? most of which came from 1 or 2 players?

VOTE: creature


Lets make this game playable

You aren't even playing anyway...

dude please, didn't you see my amrun pushy thingy?

ico is just scum. Maybe, prob, like Bingle brings up a decent point about him being lynchbait but jesus fuck the guy is scummy.

I'm actually neither scum nor lynchbait :s

ico is just scum. Maybe, prob, like Bingle brings up a decent point about him being lynchbait but jesus fuck the guy is scummy.

Oh well, as I said I think he's talking pretty freely in the posts I just quoted. He seems scummy because he has done mostly nothing and has been hypocritical, but most likely he's just lynchbait

Give me little break tho? In a game this size, I literally don't really know how to handle it very well. Sorting into lynch and don't lynch could work, but ehh. We'll get to that. For now, more votes on Amrun.

And scum won’t hit him because he’s claimed PGO.

And I am the one who scum slipped lol.

VOTE: flavor leaf

wut

That's...not a scumslip at all

agreed

Untrod = Bad Town or Scum.

This is a bullshit post. TSE lynch worthy

I think Alisae is town here btw

agreed

I’ve said repeatedly Creature is probably town. That’s kinda irrelevant.

I've seen first hand just how these large games go down. It WILL come down to having a single mislynch available or not at the endstages, so requesting the death of one of your TOWNREADS isn't gonna do you much good.

Try again

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Drew might have scumslipped and excepting role shenanigans we probably lynch him eventually anyway so let's do it

are you considering this a 'good enough' type of lynch?

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Almost50 replaces jadesmar, effective immediately.

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how to solve a game that has too many posts

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Cool. Now what were your initial reads (the very first read list you had on mind), and what changed, if you can give me that. (You know why I ask, right?)

From what I can tell you

DocDrew apparently answered poorly to what is being described as the lie detector test
Vorkuta is being scumread for fluffing
People like Amrun wanna lynch in their townreads to kill off hyperposters
FF is threatening to Gladiate 1 or 2 players

Untrod and Flavor Leaf might be good ISO reads
People are calling Wooper a scummy ducky but I don't see it yet. Not that I'm famous for having good reads so yeah.

That's about it?

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I think that's gonna be close to the 10% actual content you are looking for tho

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I feel like that’s trying to communicate something to me but I don’t really know just what it is trying to communicate to me!

maybe try communicating that he needs to communicate more clearly so your communication gets better

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Vorkuta is being scumread for fluffing

holy shit no he isn't. Vork is being scumread for being a non-scum-hunting lurksack.

pretty much the same thing

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Vork is being scumread for being a non-scum-hunting lurksack.

Also vorkuta was like the main campaigner to have governor. There was a whole phase dedicated to voting who got the 1-shot governor, ended up in Nobody.

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Creature has switched to content-related posting now. I might have given him a little crap (rightly so) early on but I don't scumread there rn.
I see what you mean on Vork.

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Also vorkuta was like the main campaigner to have governor. There was a whole phase dedicated to voting who got the 1-shot governor, ended up in Nobody.

ok but is that A.I and if it is why does it point to town and not scum?

oh no I disliked that don't get me wrong

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@A50, there was also a claim by someone that said he could effectively reduce the needed votes on a lynch by half or smt?

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If the Mod can confirm my ability works with 1 Shot Governor you only have to get me over half way the votes.
I’ll just auto it myself.

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Yeah vote me I just looked it up.
Governor is legit the opposite of my role.
Instead of stoping it I end it quickly.
So giving me governor will allow me to also stop Lynching as well.

I think I’ll play Town Leader for this game.
TP on me.
My role allows me to make the top wagon lynched if it’s over half votes on the wagon.

here i found the actual claim

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Oh yeah cult is a thing i should have mentioned that lol

Mod posted a Cult Q&A Special somewhere just ISO the mod

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Vorkuta's been playing a controlling game

wanting absolute control over governor
attempting to direct town power

without actually scumhunting

yeah i can support this lynch

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Vorkuta is a useless-slot lynch. I’m personally null on it, but he’s 100% not playing protown. I would lynch that.

DrDrew is a better lynch IMO but either one is fine. Both are better than creature lynch.

why is drew actual scum and Vorkuta isn't?

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but the rest of their posting has been pretty ingenuine.

what do you consider ingenuine?

details plz

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Oh hey A50 is here

VOTE: A50

Traditional dictates etc etc

i'm trying to break my tradition with A50

trust me it's better for everyone

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I will as again: Why aren't we demanding a claim from Vorky at this point?

nothing stopping you from doing that

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it's not a scumslip imo

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VOTE: TSE

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also i didn't get culted i'm sad

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Time to lynch papa leaf

VOTE: FL

and how do you think you'll get any kind of support for this?

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: amrun

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as much as i dislike the player behind TSE, I don't think it's scum

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what's scummy there?

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I’m town

I’m scum

I’m cult or third party.

There you go lie detector.

because at the time i didn't believe scum would risk posting this 'just in case'

TrueSoulEnergy, don’t execute Vorkuta. I need him alive, please.

Eh?

There’s zero chance Scum Vorkuta makes it past me, and there’s zero chance that if Vorkuta was ever S/S with me that I don’t end up bussing him anyways.

I have actual case and reasoning for Doctor Drew to be scum, Vorkuta is townie from the Governor campaigning

Execute the PGO

i kinda wish TSE would just hammer Drew.

TSE, do it for me!

and i also doubt that in a game this size scum want to be this vocal about what they know will turn out to be a mislynch, there's plenty of votes around to make that happen

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In hindsight, I think this game is multi-ball. The orcs being one team and the Goblins being the other (since that's consistent with D and D flavor.)

don't forget about dragons

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there's a couple players including myself speaking out against TSE lynch

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whattup

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amrun promise you're town?

amrun promise you're town?

Pinky swear.

does the law necessarily care who is evil?
amrun is the law.

wtf is this

wooper don't let his scummy ass lie to you

it's what they do

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VOTE: virgo

carry me to victory, menal

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The list is not the reason for my wagon. It's the excuse.

and what are your thoughts on that list?

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Nevermind i cant even get wagon leader, people are just resting their votes on the fucker

I'm just going to silently join that then

VOTE: TSE

what's so great about TSE wagon?

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oh i didn't read the posts on this page when posting that :s

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A few posts to refresh your mind on why hes awful:

Once Amrun and UT are dead and both flip Mafia.
I’m hard pushing Chen regardless if it’s 20 or less players left.
Just going to be honest.

Seems more concerned with getting a chen lynch through than figuring out chens alignment, though this is a milder one as if he was %100 certain it was chen with no other possibilty eh. I still think admitting to a tunnel vision at this stage sucks.

And if your excuse is “it’s a bastard game”
Then why TF do you decide to join?
Try or get lynched.
You should NEVER be allowed in Final players. (12 or less probably)

Asking for a policy lynch, great. Didnt have a chance to read all his posts on chen but its clear hes just diverting attention with this.

how is any of this pointing to scum!TSE?

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I think a focus like that on Chennis comes from town, not scum.

And wrt to the second part, if you wanna scumread everyone who asked for a policy lynch, look at the TSE wagon itself lol

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ok i'll hold while you case TSE

i'm not a fan of the TSE policy lynch but if you actually have a scumread there i'm happy to read it

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@Dong @Ico
TSE is more likely 3p than scum + there's still a possibility of him being town. I think davesaz mentioned that a little while ago if you want to go back and find it.

In short, we should have a better idea of TSE's his alignment once we flip scum somewhere else.
If scum factions(s) is/are goblins, there's a very high chance TSE is town.
If scum = pretty much anything else, TSE is probably 3p SK or something.

I've already stated i think TSE is unlikely to flip scum. That doesn't take away the fact that I'm interested if anyone is scumreading there.
Also I think it's +

town

sanity if we keep a role around that lets us have easier lynches.

And with a misstep on TSE's part wrt the use of his powers, we can always lynch there next.

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Can we stop fucking trying to pretend that someone slipped because they said "If they're town, they're playing the claimed role suboptimally" but forgot to put an "assuming they're town" disclaimer in every other sentence? That's not how people talk. Trying to phrase your posts exactly so that no one could possibly think them slips is, if anything, summer. Ironic this happens to FL when he tries that line of attack all the time, but hey.

TSE took a role action D1 that benefited town where there's really clear scum benefit to keeping it quiet. The wagon today started off on a policy lynch kind of vibe, and seems to persist due to inertia.

I'm aware I need to pull my damn finger out and vote, I'll probably do so on Friday.

i like you

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Looking at my wagon.
@Gamma
What’s your reasoning to voting me.
I understand how the rest on the wagon feel towards me but I don’t recall you actually feeling I was Scummy during the duration of Day 1.

So I was reading TSE iso for what that indication of being one shot might have been and saw this, uhhh I voted you because your approach to the game is awful and self-centered, and if you’re not scum you need to fix your damn play style like yesterday. Your play is the epitome of reactive.

Another thing I want to bring up is TSE’s talking about how his ability is “an indication mafia has Day abilities” and such things. That honestly reads like mafia trying to adjust the initial phrase “the other mafia has Day abilities “ to a town perspective. A perspective strain is what I would call it.

and again i don't see how any of this is scum indicative

douche indicative sure but not scum

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but there’s the fact his play has looked scum-motivated

only it's not

he claimed his power

willingly

what is scum motivated about taht?

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In fact putting that in writing it seems you are using your douche-indicative comment to write off my perspective strain idea which gives you partner equity with TSE

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In fact putting that in writing it seems you are using your douche-indicative comment to write off my perspective strain idea which gives you partner equity with TSE

you could use this exact thinking on anyone who is defending the one you are pushing

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the fact you are using it as a means of threatening me out of defending him, says more about you then it does about me

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scum Mastina, as a gladiator, outted her power and continued to hold town hostage with it.

but this isn't a gladiator power

and town has full control over it right now

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i'm here i'm playing i'm scared

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what has vorkuta done to get him to 16?

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{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball

Ftr here is the list

wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?

why are we lynching outside of this?

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However, I won't claim to correct you. Claiming here is stupid.

Not necessarily, imo.

Not claiming here is good if Vork gets lynched, but TSE could complicate things for you. If he gets back and decides to execute you over Vork, you'll have missed the opportunity to claim + possibly save yourself.

I can only Execute the top wagon.
When the top wagon because Titus I’ll Instantly execute.

Oh look another excuse on why TSE can't shoot scum

Wait what?

Like I doubt this is AI, but you literally just called yourself scum.

i don't think i've liked more then a handfull of posts from Amrun and I'd lynch here in a heartbeat

now you are saying something's not AI but you scumread it anyway

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VOTE: amrun

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it's your friggin list

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The misrepresentation, followed by a vote with no response to the post that tells him he's misrepping Amrun, combined with his misrep of her being the only apparent reason he's voting her looks pretty darn terrible

ngl, i haven't read every post this game and i haven't read anything that calls me out for misrepping anyone

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Also trying to start a new wagon at <48 hours left.

i'm not trying to start a wagon on amrun, i don't have the power to do that

i'm putting out here that amrun is scum and that's it

i'm not comfortable voting titus right now and i've yet to see the reason for vorkuta wagon

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it's your friggin list

Exactly my point. I’ve been your scumread from day 1. Why would you magically come back into the game after lurking just to say “why aren’t we lynching out of this list of my #1 scumread” and then immediately vote outside the list. It makes absolutely no sense.

i've not been lurking this game

i've stated that we should be lynching inside your list, as that would be optimal play

because either everyone believes ur town, and they should follow a PR
or we believe ur scum and we lynch you

neither is happening and that's wrong

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Also trying to start a new wagon at <48 hours left.

i'm not trying to start a wagon on amrun, i don't have the power to do that

i'm putting out here that amrun is scum and that's it

i'm not comfortable voting titus right now and i've yet to see the reason for vorkuta wagon

Then say that?

What you did with your vote is scummy, regardless of what you call it.

okay let's assume i'm scum here

you think i just walts right in here, post some crap and move my vote around with a fuck all attitude?

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Ok, well people are trying to lynch inside her list - Titus is in the list. So why are you not voting Titus, then?

i've been voting there for days already, and only JUST moved it

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neither is happening and that's wrong

This is specifically untrue.

possibly, haven't read the last 70 or so pages yet

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You just got publicly prodded, so I disagree about you lurking.

i got prodded during my FIXED VLA, that ANY player who regularly plays with me will confirm.
I failed to inform the mod this game, however

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I agree with you about optimal play, but your thought progression was absolutely all over the place and seemed very ingenuine to me.

well think about what allignment being all over the place like that is most likely to come from for a minute lol

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Iconeum- if you want to lynch in my list, why are you not wanting to lynch Titus?

P-edit: Well clearly I wasn’t aware of that either so...

i've had my vote there for a long while tho

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Ingenuine thought processes most often come from scum. Please answer my question.

i disagree with it being an ingenuine thought process

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Also trying to start a new wagon at <48 hours left.

i'm not trying to start a wagon on amrun, i don't have the power to do that

i'm putting out here that amrun is scum and that's it

i'm not comfortable voting titus right now

and i've yet to see the reason for vorkuta wagon

That hardly matters in light of this post.

i believe the slot i was voting for got replaced by Titus, around the time my weekend VLA started IIRC

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I'm v confused. You were voting Virgo, Titus subs in on her main and then you didn't want to lynch Titus?

yeah this

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why not

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VOTE: Vorkuta

L-2

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why not

Step A. Suggest lynching down list of Amrun’s results

Step B. Unvote said resultee to vote nonviable wagon or Amrun at nth hour

Step c. ???? Profit.


Why would you unvote a slot just because it was replaced - at deadline - when it follows your self espoused optimal play to vote that slot?

how did I profit exactly?

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I'm v confused. You were voting Virgo, Titus subs in on her main and then you didn't want to lynch Titus?

yeah this

Because he'll look hella bad when I flip green. When I was Virgo, I was a VLA lurker ok to lynch. When I'm Titus people know my end game utility and can't be on me for no reason.

Oh and UT, assuming you're manipulated, manipulating you onto Vork is a win win for scum. Also, the manipulator might not be scum (it's not me just saying). I once had a role where I shut the lights off and made everyone vote anonymously as town.

WHY?!

i don't know what u'll flip

i was fine voting you for reasons as stated by yourself here

i'm fine lynching vorkuta for his dubious play around his PR and the requested tracker on him alone

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Step D.

Ignore entirely and vote competing wagon to self espoused optimal play

P-edit: It’s a meme, iconeum. My point is it’s the most nonsensical, cognitive dissonance-filled play you could make, and you have offered ZERO explanation for it.

i bet you would feel pretty bad in my TeamMafia Team

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Step D.

Ignore entirely and vote competing wagon to self espoused optimal play

P-edit: It’s a meme, iconeum. My point is it’s the most nonsensical, cognitive dissonance-filled play you could make, and you have offered ZERO explanation for it.

Seriously though. I'm fixated on your slot. I either wanna lynch you, or try to confirm you through your action (list). That's obviously an unpopular opinion, and there's no need for me to drive through on it right now.

But there's also no harm done in letting everyone know how I feel about it.

Vorkuta is not my lynch of choice, but I don't feel bad lynching him.

And there's 37 players left, we can use some flips

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Iconeum. Why are you, by your own admission, playing suboptimally?

I think you see it as SubOptimal. I obviously don't. My thoughts on the matter are pretty clear.

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Did Titus’ replace in change your opinion of the slot? If so, how?

P-edit: why wouldn’t you want to flip the person on my list with a viable wagon right now, then? That’s my whole point.

Yes. It started playing.

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I don't think it's the right call to lynch off the list, TODAY.

However once that list shortens due to NK's, we'll be able to do so usefully.

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I don't think it's the right call to lynch off the list, TODAY.

However once that list shortens due to NK's, we'll be able to do so usefully.

When did your opinion on this change?

around the time i made that post

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spicey

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I don't think it's the right call to lynch off the list, TODAY.

However once that list shortens due to NK's, we'll be able to do so usefully.

When did your opinion on this change?

around the time i made that post

Which post?

You hurt my soul, Iconeum.

Like just before 7834

I'm sorry

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Amrun have we played together before?

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wasn't vorkuta the one actively trying to get the governor as well?

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doesn't it make sense from town!Icon, scum!Icon or both?

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doesn't it make sense from town!Icon, scum!Icon or both?

btw i'm just trying to help you sort me that's all

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doesn't it make sense from town!Icon, scum!Icon or both?

It honestly doesn’t make sense to me from a human being, but it makes relatively more sense from scum Icon because scum don’t have to stay internally consistent because they’re not scum hunting.

Huh. Do you realize town are a lot more free to spew thoughts then scum, and that scum are a LOT more worried about telling a consistent story then town?

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anyway, you know what i'm thinking, make up your mind about me accordingly

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A Titus lynch confirms Enter’s alignment to be Mafia if Titus Flips Mafia.

how?

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this is pretty convincing

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Vla weekend here monday

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what's up

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how the hell are this many cultists being hit

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FL with the full blown meta defense?

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can someone summerize why they want FL gone?

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VOTE: FL

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I am thinking it might be good to mass claim?

you want a 30ish p mass claim

for real?

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how about people with actual information that is +town claim said information, or otherwise stay quiet wrt their roles?

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VOTE: cyrus

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VOTE: Icon

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wait

UNVOTE:

VOTE: cyrus

is good vote

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what?

FL is good vote

Cyrus is good vote

why can't both be good votes?

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Am I allowed to express my reads by using my vote?

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Sure, you just have to put a couple words there too that explain why a little bit

ok

Cyrus is miles away from his town meta

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You wanna explain how your stance on Amrun doesn't conveniently contradict your play regarding her now, or are you just going to try and misrepresent her posts so that you can vote her again for reasons that don't even particularly pertain to the posts in question?

i'm not gonna pretend i understand what ur trying to say

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can we keep it simple and talk about you finding my Cyrus vote scummy?

because i think it's a good lynch

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i'm not relating my Cyrus vote to amrun at all, i wasn't even thinking about amrun at all

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Gobble is town.

Icon I will sort later. I didn’t forget my head splitting convo with them.