Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

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Greetings peasants and noble men and ladies, i shalt be your beacon of hope in these trying times. If thou shalt recognize thee as thoust leader

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That is a lie, dont believe the fake news

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Im very out of the loop on this, i only know that we're electing a governor

I dont think we should elect a governor at this point when there really isnt anything concrete to base reads off off (and i havent been able to read all of it either)
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VOTE: No governor

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Just vote no gov seriously it's NOT that hard

DO YOU READ?!!!!?

Scum probably has roles that harm us if we don’t have a Governor.
Given the fact that I’m Town that has an opposite Governor ability.

Can I like... suggest playing conservatively instead of outguess the mod

Can I suggest actually using a Brian and realizing that Governor is available for a reason instead of trying to prevent town from gaining an advantage.

who is Brian?

brian mama

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Fucking same argument for communism every time it comes up its like a broken record "it worked on paper"
No it didnt, even on paper there had to be a leader above all that did fuck all but still controlled everybody, its not like its anarchy with no head of state its the same cocksuckers dining on stolen stuff from the poor

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I suppose your conception of socialism is the mix of capitalism and socialism?

I'm feeling the Bern, and have a mini chub for Warren.

What about biden? Hes seemingly the guy thats going head to head against trump and can actually win. Bernie is a wet dream and i dont see him winning most of the time

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"No, socialism is not like Stalin"
1 minute later...
"STOP CRITICIZING ABOUT MY BELOVED STALIN"

"Stalin was hot in his young years "

Doesnt realize the photo was doctored by the state to make him look more appealing

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With the sexual accusations I've seen against Biden, I think he's gonna be another Hillary Clinton.

Hope not, the impeachment maybe able to overshadow the news over these small fry

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Fucking same argument for communism every time it comes up its like a broken record "it worked on paper"
No it didnt, even on paper there had to be a leader above all that did fuck all but still controlled everybody, its not like its anarchy with no head of state its the same cocksuckers dining on stolen stuff from the poor

Wasnt the deal that on paper it didnt have a state mentioned, and that that only came about when people irl realized that there was an opportunity to take advantage of a loop hole that you could drive a tank through?

Lenin was the leader even during its inception, there always was a leader so that wasnt a surprise addition at the last second
However lenin actually gave a fuck about this utopia whereas stalin made a dictatorship, lenin even specifically told the government in place to NOT put stalin in charge
Its not that it doesnt work, but once you have one person without %100 goodwill then it crumbles

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I also have a theory that Biden knows he can't win and is being sent out there to take the blows from Trump early and waste his energy there, while the real cadidates, Bernie and Warren make good faith arguments and say what needs to be done because it needs to be done, not because its going to make them and their friends rich off our backs.

Thats some tinfoil hat stuff. I think trump is just a moron that got into office trying to market his business and now doesnt want to leave for his own ego.

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I still think Trump could've been fine if he actually distanced himself from explicitly neo-nazi/white supremacist groups.

Considering the whole reason he was elected is "the worst white nan is better than the best black man" ideology, that would cost him %99 if his voters

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Fucking same argument for communism every time it comes up its like a broken record "it worked on paper"
No it didnt, even on paper there had to be a leader above all that did fuck all but still controlled everybody, its not like its anarchy with no head of state its the same cocksuckers dining on stolen stuff from the poor

Wasnt the deal that on paper it didnt have a state mentioned, and that that only came about when people irl realized that there was an opportunity to take advantage of a loop hole that you could drive a tank through?

Lenin was the leader even during its inception, there always was a leader so that wasnt a surprise addition at the last second
However lenin actually gave a fuck about this utopia whereas stalin made a dictatorship, lenin even specifically told the government in place to NOT put stalin in charge
Its not that it doesnt work, but once you have one person without %100 goodwill then it crumbles

How does Marx fit in? I thought he was the architect behind the principles it was built on.

pedit- total tinfoil hat shit, but he was a democrat until a few years ago...

He was. But im not really an expert on marx, i just know that whatever lenin was doing that worked relied on a central state to expend the resources equally, one that wasnt corrupt. I dont know how marx would have it without someone processing everything

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pedit- total tinfoil hat shit, but he was a democrat until a few years ago...[/quote]
He doesnt care about politics, i wager he doesnt know the constitution. Back then all he cared about was to plaster his face in marketing ads so his shitty business gained some traffic. This isnt the first time he party switched, hes been doing it since what, 2000? Even as far as back then he was running for president and his plan is just to be as outrageous as possible about whatever party hes in now's beliefs.

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I still think Trump could've been fine if he actually distanced himself from explicitly neo-nazi/white supremacist groups.

Considering the whole reason he was elected is "the worst white nan is better than the best black man" ideology, that would cost him %99 if his voters

That's a shame, I liked his book with Robert Kiyosaki and wished he focused more on enterpreneurship

but in politics people can't actually mind their own business

When he did focus on his business, he bankrupted a casino, so i would believe it was in his best interest to run for prez

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Do you support socialism?

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Do you support socialism?

We effectively already live in a socialist society anyways. All the services that we get for our taxes like police and fire, trash pickup, roads and bridges being built, its all paid for by our taxes and are socialist policies and ideals.

What about healthcare? There are still private hospitals. I think that is the first thing to check if you're socialist or not. Everything else is a given anyway. And i dont know which country doesnt have taxes or doesnt help with trash, if not are they even a country?

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Like basically every capitalist society has taxes and public services of some sort.

I agree, and those are socialist ideals and policies. It depends on what part of the scale you are on.

I dont think that makes you socialist though. Education isnt a necessity for survival, not living in trash is.

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Goddammit i kept getting ninjad

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I got ninjad while complaining about it

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I didnt know there were 2 different plans. Which do you think is better? I only knew about medicare for all but healthcare sounds even better if at the expense of medical professionals who already dont have money problems

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Why do we assume that the primary motive of people would be making as much money as possible in a future system? Why is it assumed people would only be productive for salary?

Because it is. Besides maybe tech people ta the top, artists, and basically professionals most peole work for money. Thats maybe %10 of the population once you add in people who have a dream job AND have got it. Also people are simply unqualified to do their dream jobs and they resort to menial labor that they dont care about. How % of amazon workers actually enjoy theie jobs for example?
Anyway, point is, most people are lazy and will try to get people to work fkr them.

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I think there's credit based on amount of skills and effort needed

Being CEO isn't simply sitting in a chair and watching your workers struggle

I never said that it was. But without the workers there wouldn’t be a company. Why does what the CEO do merit a greater reward than them?

Because of the risk they took doing it. A menial laborer knows what hes getting at the end of the month. Someone putting all their chips onto a new fad doesnt.

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I think there's credit based on amount of skills and effort needed

Being CEO isn't simply sitting in a chair and watching your workers struggle

I never said that it was. But without the workers there wouldn’t be a company. Why does what the CEO do merit a greater reward than them?

Because of the risk they took doing it. A menial laborer knows what hes getting at the end of the month. Someone putting all their chips onto a new fad doesnt.

I’m sorry, but I don’t think that’s a satisfactory answer, and it certainly isn’t for the level of discrepancy that we have in income/wealth between different people in a business.

Fundamentally, the business would not be profitable without people doing the day to day of selling or working. If you have a business that is profitable because 100 cleaners clean 10 houses each a day for £10 per house to the business, and the cleaners get paid £50 per day while the CEO makes £5000 a day, you have a situation where the value creation is not going to the people actually creating it.

I understand. What i meant was the person who initially started the business, not someone who then replaced him to make the decisions like is the case with disney and other old corporations.
Sure theres wealth inequity there but the example you gsve is very extreme and it isnt what im supporting, more like 50 for the workers and 200 for the ceo for example. It isnt just sitting in a chair either, everything the cleaner does is basically predetermined once he/she chooses the job and it doesnt extend from that.
A ceo has to make decisions on behalf of the whole corporation and on where it is going, handle the legal stuff, is responsible for the behaviour of everyone under his wing, and more while the cleaners only responsibility is cleaning. When you look at it this way ceos definitely deserve more, just not a 1/100 cut like you said.

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Why do we assume that the primary motive of people would be making as much money as possible in a future system? Why is it assumed people would only be productive for salary?

Because it is. Besides maybe tech people ta the top, artists, and basically professionals most peole work for money. Thats maybe %10 of the population once you add in people who have a dream job AND have got it. Also people are simply unqualified to do their dream jobs and they resort to menial labor that they dont care about. How % of amazon workers actually enjoy theie jobs for example?
Anyway, point is, most people are lazy and will try to get people to work fkr them.

I mean most people have to work to survive. If we were meeting everyone’s basic material needs, what do you think is going to happen? There aren’t going to be any more artists/designers/sports players/inventors?

How many inventions came about from people clearly knowing what they wanted to create vs tinkering and fucking around and accidentally creating something of immense value?

Dont know how to reply to this. I dont think i was able to convey what i meant properly, which was that everyone who works at low end jobs dont like the job for what it is.

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I think there's credit based on amount of skills and effort needed

Being CEO isn't simply sitting in a chair and watching your workers struggle

I never said that it was. But without the workers there wouldn’t be a company. Why does what the CEO do merit a greater reward than them?

Because of the risk they took doing it. A menial laborer knows what hes getting at the end of the month. Someone putting all their chips onto a new fad doesnt.

I’m sorry, but I don’t think that’s a satisfactory answer, and it certainly isn’t for the level of discrepancy that we have in income/wealth between different people in a business.

Fundamentally, the business would not be profitable without people doing the day to day of selling or working. If you have a business that is profitable because 100 cleaners clean 10 houses each a day for £10 per house to the business, and the cleaners get paid £50 per day while the CEO makes £5000 a day, you have a situation where the value creation is not going to the people actually creating it.

I understand. What i meant was the person who initially started the business, not someone who then replaced him to make the decisions like is the case with disney and other old corporations.
Sure theres wealth inequity there but the example you gsve is very extreme and it isnt what im supporting, more like 50 for the workers and 200 for the ceo for example. It isnt just sitting in a chair either, everything the cleaner does is basically predetermined once he/she chooses the job and it doesnt extend from that.
A ceo has to make decisions on behalf of the whole corporation and on where it is going, handle the legal stuff, is responsible for the behaviour of everyone under his wing, and more while the cleaners only responsibility is cleaning. When you look at it this way ceos definitely deserve more, just not a 1/100 cut like you said.

But the world we’re in is one where CEOs do make significantly more than 100 times what the average worker makes. Also, if you allow businesses to be run collectively, that takes a significant amount of strain off the CEO, making their job easier. For instance, if everyone in the business is coming together to vote on what the long term strategy and where it should be going is, then life is easier for the CEO, who then only has to help implement that.

But besides this, why not let people dexide for themselves? If all businesses were owned by their workers, and the CEO really did do a harder job than the average worker, why are we so quick to assume that people would not be reasonable about this? I don’t see why it’s more likely that everyone would say “nah, fuck you, you’re doing something harder but you get nothing for it” rather than “okay, your job is a bit harder, why don’t you make X multiplier in whatever the base salary is that we all make”. And again, I think this would be a much more likely outcome in a world which had transitioned to a socialist economy and was in the process of a values transition.

I like your good faith argument, but i dont see it working after the company has reached a certain point and has grown too much. Like, do you do this kind of analysis for everyone who works hard? What about the council thats deciding who gets paid what, do they need to be paid more for everyone that they analyze? Is there even a council like that? If not, does just the general workers decide? What if someone objects to a raise or a downgrade on someones pay with sufficient evidence but not a lot of backing from others? Do we need a judge to oversee that? And so on and so forth. Just giving all of that power on someones livelihood to an imaginary council opens a can of worms, that a set pay for everyone doesnt.

And if you let the council decide things company wise and not pay wise that kight work, but then you'd be giving the millions a ceo gets to maybe 20 people now, which isnt so much different. And now the bad decisions cant be pointed at someone and the people with good ideas get fucked over while the people fucking up kind of blend in (in the case of a bad pr move etc)

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A wealth tax would take care of all of this. It would allow people with innovative ideas to thrive, but would also put things in place for when they grow to big that they start getting into Bezos territory. Then they start giving back, which would slowly raise the lower and middle class towards the upper and it would stop people from going from the upper to untouchable.

My problem is that the rich are already keeping their wealth in secret vaults and hoarding it to avoid paying taxes, what difference would a new tax make?

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Those are some rookie numbers

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But i'd really like to wait until menal comes, if we're spamming i'd like it to be of the productive nature.

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That's a great movie, shows the banality of war. Like when he keeps shooting their communication lines and the guys to fix them.

Whats the point of saying war bad though? Everybody knows that, everybody is told that, yet it will continue because its profitable. No one seems to want to do anything about it other than make the one trillionth war bad movie.

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Wut

#yanggang

Fuck the yangers, make america ying again

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Wut

#yanggang

Fuck the yangers, make america ying again

No, traeremos el yang, no habrá yin. El equilibrio es producto de tu imaginación.

Sen öyle düşünsende yang asla başkan olamaz, tüm oylarım ve herkesin oyu bernie babaya

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89 pages

WHAT IS THIS EVEN I LEFT YESTERDAY AT 25 OR SMT

Creature 3D (2014)

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and now it's not even in english anymore?

Puta, tu sei lezze irone

Evet, devrim başladı

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Oh shit creature actually knows italian, lets hope he doesnt expose that i just put random words there and pretend i actually know the language

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Spoiler: @Nero Gamma posts I thought demonstrated solveyness (not exhaustive, but demonstrative)

How does one use the 1-shot Governor won by being elected? What happens when it is used?

I have good feels from Chem and Mena and bad feels from GE and Ico based on the governor shenaynaygans, btw.

itt Bingle rewards contrarianism...? Idk about Ico but those two are campaigning for someone to actually get the gov and I changed my tune to not wanting to give it to anyone when it was announced to result in a no lynch. What metric are you making these reads from?

I will say the tinfoil of “what if it’s a lynch” despite that clearly not being possible is slightly towny though

Ok after reading that, these are my off the cuff impressions:

If xofelf or chemist turns out to be scum, they are not scum together. I don’t know xofelf but she seems a little clueless/confused for her join date but I can’t tell if it’s a tell or not since I don’t know if it’s normal.

UT seems town to me so far. He is usually an easy read for me, from years ago.

Melnaque seems to have an ulterior motive, but not necessarily scum. Maybe third party.

Bingle is pushing his agenda hard. My gut says that’s a personality trait that he’d do as any loyalty but I’ll wait and see.

Zoraster is town. (Long time no see btw). His thoughts basically echo mine. I had no idea game started.

Bbmolla is acting scummy (for him)

Nero Cain seems town - doesn’t seem concerned with his appearance or how his posts will “seem”

Full disclosure: I have a 60hr/wk job and a 1 year old toddler. I am extremely busy. I’m not sure what my presence will be like in such a big game. I won’t disappear but I won’t be available Willy nilly- maybe one or two dedicated short time periods per day for this game, period, at least until it gets smaller and moves slower. But I will do my best to be active enough to make an impact. It’s been a long time since I’ve played.

Talk about your BBMolla read please
Also I don’t think xofelf being confused is A.I.

I’m perfectly aware he’s prone to goofing off as any alignment. Why, then, would you insist I’m “wrong” to say he is scummy?I take it back... bbmolla is not scum with Firebringer, who is scum.

because I like pointing out incorrect things.

also congrats on being more right! proud of u

I like this so far by Fire

Why is Bingle producing the most content in the thread

What timeline have I jumped into

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We can definitely make this the longest game on site.

I'm already a part of the largest newbie game on site, why not go for longest large game as well?

You guys wanna talk about religion next?

God is dead. Discuss.

We dont have cyrus to spam

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Whos gov

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We dont have cyrus to spam

I was top poster in that game by far bruh

If cyrus didnt lose interest near the end and got confused by me he'd definitely be shitting the thread up more
And half your posts were music videos

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Whos gov

This moron is probably town or he’d have asked this in his scum PT.

Lmfao XDXD you got me good fella

Thanks for your insight

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My dick

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yes we can

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VOTE: Amrun

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Dont split wagons please, lets just have 2 major wagons and everybody participates in that or we end up like america

Mafiascum should get rid of first past the post system in larges tbh

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I mean sure? I don't really see why Amrun is obv scum though but I'm not necessarily opposed to the wagon.

VOTE: Amrun

Lots of posturing and trying to look like she’s doing something without really doing much of anything

Quite a lot of empty posting in her ISO

Fb push is v bad and reads as scum going after someone they think is a viable mislynch

Is the gist of it

Also, noice

Empty posting?! EMPTY posting?! From the person whose FIRST thing of substance has been THIS exact post? Countless number of stupid politics posts? I don’t have any empty posts except complaining about shitposting from people like you.

That’s so ridiculous it actually pisses me off.

Despite the fact that this push is moronic and devoid of any reasoning that makes ANY sense, I actually like it from you since I’m not low hanging fruit. It makes me think you are not scum. I think it will attract some scum sheep, too, so it’s fine. Stupid, but fine. It will generate information whatever the outcome.

Full admission (and have never pretended otherwise) that my “case” on Firebringer could be play style related, but there’s a fairly large number of other people that would be significantly easier to get lynched if that were my goal. That is one of the weakest arguments I’ve ever seen

P-edit: Rauth, I was pretty clearly stating that Bingle’s case against you had merit. That doesn’t necessarily mean I’m willing to lynch you at this juncture.

It took you 5 paraghraps to wrote "no u"

Damn, who knew it would take being the same alignment for me to agree with menal

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No one should be looking at the "30 odd players", no one has the time, we agree on someone until we can wittle them down to a managable state

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Smh why r people trying to lurker hunt

Because in big games like this, you find yourself getting close to lylo and all you have are a bunch of null-read lurkers.

Who gives a rats ass?

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How do you plan to get a 21 player consensus on a random lurker? Especially with on average 10 lurkers?

We just play with who is playing now and we'll figure out the lurkers once we know who actually is lurking.

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That was to post 2734 but it works as a response to you as well, espresso

You wont ever reach a consensus on a lurker lynch, so lets just create two wagons and duke it out until we dont have to

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MENAL TR ME

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Dong should I be worried that when I was scum I actually did think your posting was badposting and that this seems different to that?

Well i am badposting by my standarts right now, i dont want to be make any grand statements about my play because im inexperienced with larges. I'll probably get better as the player count drops.

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Constroi

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It’s D1 still so, I appoint myself as designated hammerer as always.

I was thinking on taking this on myself. Though it all depends on timing of when the opportunity comes up -- as someone who works 40-60 hours and volunteers on top of that there are large swathes of time that I might not be able to get to it fast enough.

The battle is on, but I warn you, Le Champion never loses.

Bro what happened to your post restriction Bro? Is it tied to your avatar bro? If so can you pick a dbz avi bro?

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It’s D1 still so, I appoint myself as designated hammerer as always.

I was thinking on taking this on myself. Though it all depends on timing of when the opportunity comes up -- as someone who works 40-60 hours and volunteers on top of that there are large swathes of time that I might not be able to get to it fast enough.

The battle is on, but I warn you, Le Champion never loses.

Bro what happened to your post restriction Bro? Is it tied to your avatar bro? If so can you pick a dbz avi bro?

Yes, it is tied to my avatar. Now that you are talking to, Le Champion, you won’t hear me saying bro constantly. Unfortunately I don’t know enough of the DBZ universe to properly mimic a character. I only have base level knowledge.

What about joe pesci? Or samuel jackson?

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We passed upon the stairs,
We spoke of was and when,
Although i wasnt there,
He said i was his friend,
Which came as some surprise,
I spoke into his eyes
I thought you died alone
A long, long time ago

Oh no
Not me
We never lost control
You're face
To face
With the man who sold the world

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What am i getting wrong here? Rauth is still alive right? So are we simply waiting for the mod to kill him?

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I used it already, sorry bud. Maybe in a couple days if I make it there.

Rauth.

What what? You claimed daycop and you said you targeted rauth. Hes still alive

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And last but not least.

TSE is still scum but I agree with Bingle, we could leash his power for today.

So let's play a game people: inspired by the one and only, the tree we all love and hate, Mr. Pine himself, I'm giving my vote to the best offer I get. This will be revoked if the winner asks me to vote for one of my 24 townreads, that's the only exception I'm making. Be creative!

Notice this. I wanna play

Didn't town lose in a dramatic fashion, partly due to players giving their vote away?

That's because they were giving their vote to CONFIRMED SCUM; I'm offering it to anyone who is creative enough to make an alliance with me.

Come on Ico, I know you want it

Ok so.
If your town, lay off me now because I’m also Town.
If your Mafia, I’m curious where your going to go with this. Keep going.

By the way this is the most ass post i have ever seen, TSE is my second lynch after amrun

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I didnt do it to get you to TR me, but ok.

And yeah, my bad on the daycop thing

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Cobble is town but is orcus also town?

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This is my alt

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Cobble is town but is orcus also town?

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ok

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My minds been at TSE anyway, but what is miss lynchs ability? Also regarding flavor,

Cobble is town but is orcus also town?

Cobble is town but is orcus also town?

Cobble is town but is orcus also town?

Cobble is town but is orcus also town?

Cobble is town but is orcus also town?

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Im town, i know it says im scum here but thats just flavor

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They see me rolling they hating

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What happened to the TSE wagon?

I got dibs on being the wagon leader then

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Nevermind i cant even get wagon leader, people are just resting their votes on the fucker

I'm just going to silently join that then

VOTE: TSE

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I really dont know why we flipped from TSE to Virgin, we had a good wagon going and i see no reason why we shouldnt go back

Granted i didnt read the game so if you had a good reason, tough luck, we're going back to TSE

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A few posts to refresh your mind on why hes awful:

Once Amrun and UT are dead and both flip Mafia.
I’m hard pushing Chen regardless if it’s 20 or less players left.
Just going to be honest.

Seems more concerned with getting a chen lynch through than figuring out chens alignment, though this is a milder one as if he was %100 certain it was chen with no other possibilty eh. I still think admitting to a tunnel vision at this stage sucks.

And if your excuse is “it’s a bastard game”
Then why TF do you decide to join?
Try or get lynched.
You should NEVER be allowed in Final players. (12 or less probably)

Asking for a policy lynch, great. Didnt have a chance to read all his posts on chen but its clear hes just diverting attention with this.

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Spoiler:

UT is the confirmed scum BTW.
He called my lock town read scum and said “Solving is Scum Indicative”
No ones that bad at the game.
UT is Confirmed Scum.

Untrod = Bad Town or Scum.

why do you think you need to be every other post in this game? serious question. What does it add?

why did you join this game? Serious question because you tried to play AvP, an invitational, and replaced out, and D1 was less then 100 pages at that time.

So someone trying to solve is scummy?
Yep and that’s how I usually get miss lynched Day 1 too.
Damn so much Scum/Bad Town this game LOL.

So much of his iso is deflecting critism by calling the people criticizing "bad town" in an unwitting attempt to guilt them into reconsidering. I'm pretty sure that these kind of posts subconsciously made people reconsider their scumread without even knowing it. I dont need to tell you this is scum behaviour, but also the way that he doesnt even fully commit to the blanket "bad town" statement by also putting a possible "scum" banner in there to vote there in case their read changes, very bad stuff.

Pedit: Diverting attention from himself by trying to paint chen as "not trying/throwing because it is a bastard game" seems pretty scum motivated to me. I am trying to catalogue most of the scummy things he did but step by step.

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TSE wagon isnt a policy lynch, sure there are people on the wagon that are there because they are annoyed, but i have reason to believe he is ALSO a scum lynch, two birds with one noose.

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I got bored casing TSE

Who are we wagoning right now?

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VOTE: Tits