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[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

yeeeeeeeeeeet

No one is tr your enthusiasm for your blatant attempt at trying to mislynching me. If I wasn’t already sl you, I’d be convinced you had no clue how to scumhunt but then I wouldn’t want to get into trouble for insulting your

intelligence

ability to play mafia properly.

Ethos’ spamming up the thread with multiple posts of blatantly faked enthusiasm, really clinches it for me. Out of nowhere, he decides to drive a mislynch on me as a extremely thinly veiled OMGUS. I don’t know whether to be amused or smdh that he seriously thinks everyone has suddenly gotten lobotomies.

But I’ll humour him anyway just for the lulz.

Okay @Ethos, what exactly do you find scummy about my play and be forewarned, I refuse to accept “YEET” as a valid answer.

Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...

(1) Asking questions when the answers are readily available

,

(2) saying something is important but not really pressing it or doing anything with it (299)

,

(3) voting Psyche but not engaging with him at all

, not really pushing anyone really...even your catchup was a regurgitation of the game state and not really your stances.

(4) What are they by the way?

You said you would be willing to lynch 3 players but didn't actually take the time to say who they were.

And, sorry - why are you voting Psyche again? And, I swear to god, if you say opportunistic in your answer I am going to GIFslap you so hard.

1: Citation needed.

2: are you really suggesting that I had no purpose with that? Or that perhaps the answer given didn't do anything to progress where I was going? Weak point.

3: I really thought the reason I voted pine was pretty self-explanatory

4: what are yours? I remember a readlist with no explanation and some side commentary but.. that's about it

penguin can be scum with pyrrha tbh

I still think you’re scum here fr but I really want to see if any towngames actually exist where you are seriously this bad at mafia. Probably more scum flailing than dumb town but eh?

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Oh Lol, this explains so much. I think I’m townlocking Penguin and never unvoting Ethos until he’s flipped.

Lmao @ Penguin. Okay Banaki, I’ll let it go. It’s just that I find meta really helpful when I haven’t played with someone before.

If Ethos flips town here, I will be legit shocked. Penguin nailed it, he isn’t doing any actual sorting. He acts like he’s invested but his reads are basically empty with very little logical reasoning for pretty much anything.

@Banaki, sure it’s “dumb” and I’m sure he is well aware of it. He is making this out of left field nonsense push on me out of basic desperation to get tr for hard pushing anyone, whether he has any actual reason to do it is apparently besides the point. He’s counting on someone tr him for this, based on just that: it being so unbelievably dumb.

Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...

(1) Asking questions when the answers are readily available

,

(2) saying something is important but not really pressing it or doing anything with it (299)

,

(3) voting Psyche but not engaging with him at all

, not really pushing anyone really...even your catchup was a regurgitation of the game state and not really your stances.

(4) What are they by the way?

You said you would be willing to lynch 3 players but didn't actually take the time to say who they were.

And, sorry - why are you voting Psyche again? And, I swear to god, if you say opportunistic in your answer I am going to GIFslap you so hard.

1: Citation needed.

2: are you really suggesting that I had no purpose with that? Or that perhaps the answer given didn't do anything to progress where I was going? Weak point.

3: I really thought the reason I voted pine was pretty self-explanatory

4: what are yours? I remember a readlist with no explanation and some side commentary but.. that's about it

penguin can be scum with pyrrha tbh

This 100% reads like a scum post. Town rarely reacts this way. Town asks why do you think this? Here is why I did ___. Scum otoh hands just deflects and turns it on the accuser. How dare you express even the mildest suspicion me for my uberscummy play? You obviously have to be scum. If I AtE loud and long enough, maybe you actually might be fooled into actually believe I mean anything that I’m saying.

eth0s, can you expand on why you think Pyrrha is scum?

I’m not really seeing it off that one post you quoted

I would really love to know that too. What is abundantly clear to me is that he views me as both a threat to him and he’s trying to push my mislynch to save himself.

His push on me is 100% a scum push. Not even a single iota of any attempt to correctly sort me or re-evaluate anything. I could post my role pm and he would still find a way to try to convince all of you that you’re colourblind.

A couple things really obvious from these posts:
- Pyrra suggests in 714 that her push of the eth0s lynch was primarily a matter of poe. This is clearly false.

No one

D1 was more confident that eth0s was scum than pyrra. Absolutely no one.

- Pyrra says that she'd be absolutely

shocked

if eth0s ends up flipping town. Does Pyrra's D2 posts provide any evidence of

shock

?? Like, the actual emotion? There's no clue of it at all. Instead, we see the evidence of the exact opposite: a muted reaction in the short term, and increased self-assurance, increased confidence in her grasp of the current gamestate in the long term.

I'm not saying that there should have been some big mea culpa; I can appreciate that my own has seemed awkward and overwrought. What I am saying is that there's no evidence even

implicitly

of the sort of emotional impact you'd expect from the eth0s mislynch given pyrra's D1 iso. This is

in addition to

her clear misrepresentation today of her mindset surrounding eth0s yesterday.

We're left with two possibilities. The first is that Pyrra, along with having a

far

more tenuous grasp of the gamestate than she thinks she has, has a very powerful self-serving bias that leaves her not just to interpret but to

remember

the past in the way that flatters her most. The other is that she's playing a muscular scumgame ITT, performing towniness with all these posts seeming to sort and lynch scum while actually trying to orchestrate mislynches.

In either situation, ego plays a big part in explaining why Pyrra's playing the way she's chosen to - whether she's just that confident in her townplay that she shrugs off any mistakes, or sure enough of herself that she's deigned to play for the center of attention as scum. The personality read is easy. I still don't know a reliable way to convert that into an alliance sort.

Nothing you say here even remotely contradicts a single thing I’ve posted. I said, you, Banaki, Ethos were my POE. None of that has changed/will change - no matter how many times you persist in misrepping me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

im gonna make fun of you for these posts later

Those posts sound really weird if you’re town. It’s like you’re almost agreeing with me.

if you're town i recommend a reading course after all this is over

I’d much rather get your “recommendations”, post-game. Watch it btw. Acusing me of having character flaws, etc. is bordering on being reportable. I suggest you don’t go there.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pyrra, what ran through your head when you saw eth0s flip town? what will run through your head supposing i do? still gonna stick with the "hard townreads"?

I’m assuming the exact same thing that went through everyone’s heads who was town who mislynched him. I’ll worry about that

when Hell freezes over

if it happens

Spoiler:

which it won’t.

[Psyche]

yeeeeeeeeeeet

No one is tr your enthusiasm for your blatant attempt at trying to mislynching me. If I wasn’t already sl you, I’d be convinced you had no clue how to scumhunt but then I wouldn’t want to get into trouble for insulting your

intelligence

ability to play mafia properly. :]

Ethos’ spamming up the thread with multiple posts of blatantly faked enthusiasm, really clinches it for me. Out of nowhere, he decides to drive a mislynch on me as a extremely thinly veiled OMGUS. I don’t know whether to be amused or smdh that he seriously thinks everyone has suddenly gotten lobotomies.

But I’ll humour him anyway just for the lulz.

Okay @Ethos, what exactly do you find scummy about my play and be forewarned, I refuse to accept “YEET” as a valid answer.

Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...

(1) Asking questions when the answers are readily available

,

(2) saying something is important but not really pressing it or doing anything with it (299)

,

(3) voting Psyche but not engaging with him at all

, not really pushing anyone really...even your catchup was a regurgitation of the game state and not really your stances.

(4) What are they by the way?

You said you would be willing to lynch 3 players but didn't actually take the time to say who they were.

And, sorry - why are you voting Psyche again? And, I swear to god, if you say opportunistic in your answer I am going to GIFslap you so hard.

1: Citation needed.

2: are you really suggesting that I had no purpose with that? Or that perhaps the answer given didn't do anything to progress where I was going? Weak point.

3: I really thought the reason I voted pine was pretty self-explanatory

4: what are yours? I remember a readlist with no explanation and some side commentary but.. that's about it

penguin can be scum with pyrrha tbh

I still think you’re scum here fr but I really want to see if any towngames actually exist where you are seriously this bad at mafia. Probably more scum flailing than dumb town but eh?

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80259&start=100

Oh Lol, this explains so much. I think I’m townlocking Penguin and never unvoting Ethos until he’s flipped.

Lmao @ Penguin. Okay Banaki, I’ll let it go. It’s just that I find meta really helpful when I haven’t played with someone before.

If Ethos flips town here, I will be legit shocked. Penguin nailed it, he isn’t doing any actual sorting. He acts like he’s invested but his reads are basically empty with very little logical reasoning for pretty much anything.

@Banaki, sure it’s “dumb” and I’m sure he is well aware of it. He is making this out of left field nonsense push on me out of basic desperation to get tr for hard pushing anyone, whether he has any actual reason to do it is apparently besides the point. He’s counting on someone tr him for this, based on just that: it being so unbelievably dumb.

Your entire ISO is devoid of actually doing anything but trying to seem busy...

(1) Asking questions when the answers are readily available

,

(2) saying something is important but not really pressing it or doing anything with it (299)

,

(3) voting Psyche but not engaging with him at all

, not really pushing anyone really...even your catchup was a regurgitation of the game state and not really your stances.

(4) What are they by the way?

You said you would be willing to lynch 3 players but didn't actually take the time to say who they were.

And, sorry - why are you voting Psyche again? And, I swear to god, if you say opportunistic in your answer I am going to GIFslap you so hard.

1: Citation needed.

2: are you really suggesting that I had no purpose with that? Or that perhaps the answer given didn't do anything to progress where I was going? Weak point.

3: I really thought the reason I voted pine was pretty self-explanatory

4: what are yours? I remember a readlist with no explanation and some side commentary but.. that's about it

penguin can be scum with pyrrha tbh

This 100% reads like a scum post. Town rarely reacts this way. Town asks why do you think this? Here is why I did ___. Scum otoh hands just deflects and turns it on the accuser. How dare you express even the mildest suspicion me for my uberscummy play? You obviously have to be scum. If I AtE loud and long enough, maybe you actually might be fooled into actually believe I mean anything that I’m saying.

eth0s, can you expand on why you think Pyrrha is scum?

I’m not really seeing it off that one post you quoted

I would really love to know that too. What is abundantly clear to me is that he views me as both a threat to him and he’s trying to push my mislynch to save himself.

His push on me is 100% a scum push. Not even a single iota of any attempt to correctly sort me or re-evaluate anything. I could post my role pm and he would still find a way to try to convince all of you that you’re colourblind.

A couple things really obvious from these posts:
- Pyrra suggests in 714 that her push of the eth0s lynch was primarily a matter of poe. This is clearly false.

No one

D1 was more confident that eth0s was scum than pyrra. Absolutely no one.

- Pyrra says that she'd be absolutely

shocked

if eth0s ends up flipping town. Does Pyrra's D2 posts provide any evidence of

shock

?? Like, the actual emotion? There's no clue of it at all. Instead, we see the evidence of the exact opposite: a muted reaction in the short term, and increased self-assurance, increased confidence in her grasp of the current gamestate in the long term.

I'm not saying that there should have been some big mea culpa; I can appreciate that my own has seemed awkward and overwrought. What I am saying is that there's no evidence even

implicitly

of the sort of emotional impact you'd expect from the eth0s mislynch given pyrra's D1 iso. This is

in addition to

her clear misrepresentation today of her mindset surrounding eth0s yesterday.

We're left with two possibilities. The first is that Pyrra, along with having a

far

more tenuous grasp of the gamestate than she thinks she has, has a very powerful self-serving bias that leaves her not just to interpret but to

remember

the past in the way that flatters her most. The other is that she's playing a muscular scumgame ITT, performing towniness with all these posts seeming to sort and lynch scum while actually trying to orchestrate mislynches.

In either situation, ego plays a big part in explaining why Pyrra's playing the way she's chosen to - whether she's just that confident in her townplay that she shrugs off any mistakes, or sure enough of herself that she's deigned to play for the center of attention as scum. The personality read is easy. I still don't know a reliable way to convert that into an alliance sort.

Nothing you say here even remotely contradicts a single thing I’ve posted. I said, you, Banaki, Ethos were my POE. None of that has changed/will change - no matter how many times you persist in misrepping me.

This is not true and I am not actually misrepping. Your posts regarding both eth0s and me go substantially beyond POE to affirmatively aver the presence of high-likelihood scumtells in our isos. I quoted many examples of you doing that right in the post you're responding to.

[Psyche]

I could have been more polite saying so and I apologize, but I think noting your superciliousness ITT is deeply relevant to the possibility of an accurate read on you. Without the personality read, your behavior here is just flat out scummy. Otherwise, it's more ambiguous.

[sheepsaysmeep]

dont tell me someones pretending nancy can be wolf

[Pyrrha Nikos]

dont tell me someones

pretending

nancy can be wolf

“Pretending” being the key word here. He is desperately counting on town having gotten lobotomies. He might pretend sr you for defending me next.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Here Psyche, if enough of town overdose on this, there maybe possibly be some bizarro alternate universe, where I can actually be scum here:

Spoiler:

[Psyche]

I think people in these games are always too ready to townread the people making the neat cases and finding the tells, and scumread those who are comparatively inactive or messy. It's a useful bias that helps drive useful content, but when push comes to shove it results in strong townreads that can throw games. Being someone in pyrra's poe and having my role pm, I know by my own poe that at least one of her hard townreads are probably wrong. The kinds of stuff she thinks are scummy just aren't ("bit"??) and there's probably analogous weaknesses in her townreading. She's not the only one in the game w/ her general readlist. The wake-up call ought to come sooner rather than later.

[Psyche]

Ugh. "desperately counting on town having gotten lobotomies"? You're really that sure I'm scum that you'd throw out that bs?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think people in these games are always too ready to townread the people making the neat cases and finding the tells, and scumread those who are comparatively inactive or messy. It's a useful bias that helps drive useful content, but when push comes to shove it results in strong townreads that can throw games. Being someone in pyrra's poe and having my role pm,

I know by my own poe that at least one of her hard townreads are probably wrong.

The kinds of stuff she thinks are scummy just aren't ("bit"??) and there's probably analogous weaknesses in her townreading. She's not the only one in the game w/ her general readlist. The wake-up call ought to come sooner rather than later.

You KNOW but yet my POE is wrong and somehow scummy? Yer funny.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Ugh. "desperately counting on town having gotten lobotomies"? You're really that sure I'm scum that you'd throw out that bs?

Why do you continue to misrep me? :/ You know that isn’t what I said. I said if they think

I’m

scum. The more you continue to twist my words, it just increases my confidence on my being right about that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

dont tell me someones pretending nancy can be wolf

Ugh. "desperately counting on town having gotten lobotomies"? You're really that sure I'm scum that you'd throw out that bs?

So apparently neither sheep nor I can read? You really think we literally need buildings to fall on us, to see exactly what you’re doing here? *smdh*

[Psyche]

Ethos’ spamming up the thread with multiple posts of blatantly faked enthusiasm, really clinches it for me. Out of nowhere, he decides to drive a mislynch on me as a extremely thinly veiled OMGUS. I don’t know whether to be amused or smdh that he seriously thinks everyone has suddenly gotten lobotomies.

you made that exact same lobotomy remark yesterday about eth0s
were completely off the mark
why are you doing this all over again???
it's just bizarre

[Psyche]

nothing i've said is misrepping
they're literally direct quotes
you're practically gaslighting

[Pyrrha Nikos]

nothing i've said is misrepping
they're literally direct quotes
you're practically gaslighting

Stop insulting mine and sheep’s intelligence here. If there is any “gaslighting” going on here, it’s coming from YOU.

If you continue with this, I will just stop responding to your posts altogether.

[Psyche]

I think people in these games are always too ready to townread the people making the neat cases and finding the tells, and scumread those who are comparatively inactive or messy. It's a useful bias that helps drive useful content, but when push comes to shove it results in strong townreads that can throw games. Being someone in pyrra's poe and having my role pm,

I know by my own poe that at least one of her hard townreads are probably wrong.

The kinds of stuff she thinks are scummy just aren't ("bit"??) and there's probably analogous weaknesses in her townreading. She's not the only one in the game w/ her general readlist. The wake-up call ought to come sooner rather than later.

You KNOW but yet my POE is wrong and somehow scummy? :lol: Yer funny.

well yeah of course i know. i can even explain:
you've called me and banakai as the scum team. i know my own role pm. whether i'm town

or

scum, i know for sure whether you're right or not. you're not right. and if we include BS in your scumpool, you're still

probably

not right. but here you are calling me scummy for using the word "bit".

[sheepsaysmeep]

psyche

nancy cant wolf

i mean that in the least insulting way possible but as an objective view of her emotions


if she was wolf, these walls would be.. wolfing

and she cant do that

[Psyche]

nothing i've said is misrepping
they're literally direct quotes
you're practically gaslighting

Stop insulting mine and sheep’s intelligence here. If there is any “gaslighting” going on here, it’s coming from YOU.

If you continue with this, I will just stop responding to your posts altogether.

i want to make clear again that i'm really not trying to insult anyone here

i'm just trying to make a straightforward observation about the conflicts and similarities between your posts yesterday and your posts today

my hope is that it either 1) prompts a bit of introspection on your part about how you make reads before you push another mislynch, or 2) it prompts scrutiny of your weird trajectory from D1 to D2 that helps sort your alliance, or both

all of this is instrumental to these straightforward protown objectives. i don't expect you to agree or care very much if you stop responding to me. but when game is all said and done and everyone knows i'm town, i want it to be clear that i'm trying really hard to stick to my win condition and not just insulting to be insulting.

otoh i'm totally going to make fun of you tomorrow if you do end up getting me lynched. "bit"!

psyche

nancy cant wolf

i mean that in the least insulting way possible but as an objective view of her emotions


if she was wolf, these walls would be.. wolfing

and she cant do that

so - im not committing to any pyrra scumread atm. but from here it doesn't look like it'd be a particularly labyrintine performance if she were. nothing here seems incongruent with the idea that "nancy can't wolf".

[Dannflor]

Regarding Nancy, I wouldn't ever put the same amount of confidence into any of my reads as she does into her reads. As someone who has played with her a few different times though, I can attest that as far as Nancy's meta goes, she tends to be more confident as town and more fence-sitty as scum. I think that dichotomy is what sheepsaysmeep is referring to but I could be wrong. Given her play so far, I don't think it's 100% impossible that she's scum—especially if I give any weight at all to my earlier paranoia—but I find it overall very unlikely.

I don't think I necessarily agree with all of her reads right now nor the confidence she ascribes to them, but that's not really something I can scum read.

[Dannflor]

Calling it rn:

Banaki/Psyche is the scumteam

.

Like, a post like this feels terrible to be on the receiving end of if you're town. But just based on what I know of Nancy as a personality this sort of brazen confidence only tends comes out when she's town.

[Dannflor]

Somewhat unpopular opinion at this point but I think Banakai is town.

In games like this where I've been a consensus town read with little to no push-back—see Merchant's Daughter—the one or two slots that have pushed against that and suspected me have always been town, with scum trying to pocket me. Overall, I find it more likely that scum goes with the consensus town reads particularly the ones they suspect will be leading the game. While it can be a valid scum strategy to go against consensus and get town reads that way, Banakai doesn't strike me as that brazen as a player? That's not based off meta, just my read on him this game. It's not the firmest read just because I find a lot of his reads lacking in substance

[Dannflor]

I think Psyche is pretty obviously town and I don't understand the case against him if there is one

[Dannflor]

Penguin is still town. I think we've had a lot of mind meldingish moments and he's prodded a lot of the same things I've wanted to. His push against eth0s was a town push just due to timing and the way it formed imo

[Dannflor]

VOTE: sheepsaysmeep