Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[Kerset]

Because sif has independent mind, he is never opportunistic. It really looks that he didn't know alignment of flipped players and he keeps his opinions open.

[AaronFrost]

If he proves that he is playing poorly then town will assume that his previous actions were caused by his skill level rather then scum alignment.

So do you think my actions are indicative of inexperienced town or inexperienced scum?

[AaronFrost]

@aaron you are lovely, don't doubt that.
experience fills many holes - having the willingness to learn is overpowered in any hobby, forum mafia is no exception

tho your join date is like 3 months before mine :'<

Yeah but you're an alt Mr. Ducky

[Kerset]

If he proves that he is playing poorly then town will assume that his previous actions were caused by his skill level rather then scum alignment.

So do you think my actions are indicative of inexperienced town or inexperienced scum?

Regular scum who wants to look like inexperienced town.

which actions are you talking about tho kerset

The ones, which started his wagon.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: Adorable

To all the people complaining that I'm useless, please stop, I've given more than enough readable content. If there's something you want from me that you aren't getting, let me introduce you to a wonderful thing called asking.

[Wooper]

SS you've been fine, I just don't feel confident calling your alignment at like a d3 analysis level

[Wooper]

thoughts on ye olde masseclaime tho? bc I think it's like objectively good here

[Kerset]

something_skittery where are your reads @ atm

{Luca}
{everyone}
{Aaron}

yea...

[Something_Smart]

thoughts on ye olde masseclaime tho? bc I think it's like objectively good here

I think it's objectively bad, assuming as a premise that townies are able to crumb relevant actions in a way that makes them clear. If anyone had information that would warrant sharing, they'd share it, or explain that they want people to massclaim certain things (such as whether they visited a certain player overnight). Otherwise, that information only helps scum.

If you're afraid that people won't crumb clearly, I don't think that's something we should play around. I went to town recently on explaining to people how to crumb, I could do it again.

[Wooper]

on kerset...they are clearly not trying to read the game and solve alignments. i'm on the fence about whether or not they are reading the game at all.

their reads are like... i don't know if i need to go into why they concern me

[Kerset]

on kerset...they are clearly not trying to read the game and solve alignments. i'm on the fence about whether or not they are reading the game at all.

their reads are like... i don't know if i need to go into why they concern me

go on, i want to know

[AaronFrost]

If he proves that he is playing poorly then town will assume that his previous actions were caused by his skill level rather then scum alignment.

So do you think my actions are indicative of inexperienced town or inexperienced scum?

Regular scum who wants to look like inexperienced town.

You think this is a viable scum strategy for me? Pretend to be dumb and hope that the other players will write it off as 'oh he's just inexperienced?' Because if that's been my strategy then it's not working out too well for me. I think it'd look super obvious if I was trying to do this.

[Sirfetchd]

Crumbing is only useful if you can signal to specific players otherwise just say it explicitly.

[AaronFrost]

Flubbernugget wants us to think that he acted non-towny in order to secure his PR, this could be the case. His D2 was fine.
Sirfetch is top town. S_S is useless, he deserve to be scumreaded.
Aaron is trying hard to prove that he is unskilled in this game, it looks like agenda crafted by scumteam to clean him.
Skitter is fine but hard to read bc of paranoia around her.
Adorable has very very shallow reads but unharmful.
Wooper planned this whole course of action for his personal advantage. All he wanted was to shine during massclaim, which he planned for this day but some things got his way. Xayah could clarify herself, if she would get time for it.
Suji is kind of null read for me.
Luca is towny but i would take here the same approach as people do towards skitter.

I kind of agree that this reads list is bad. Most of your reads are null or not thought out and the ones you do have as a scumread you're just shading for the sake of shading. Especially dislike the 'SS is useless' comment.

[Sirfetchd]

Not certain I am parsing it right but I think the reasons Kerset is scum reading Aaron and town reading me are the same kinda.

His read on me is - Sirf is wrong but townie wrong
Aaron - Pretending to be clueless for deviousness.

[Kerset]

Aaron just scumreads every counterwagon and you are going for unpopular choices. That is a huge difference.

[Something_Smart]

Crumbing is only useful if you can signal to specific players otherwise just say it explicitly.

The point of crumbing isn't to signal, it's to let people figure out what you did after you're dead.

[Something_Smart]

you're just shading for the sake of shading

This seems to be begging the question?

[Sirfetchd]

Crumbing is only useful if you can signal to specific players otherwise just say it explicitly.

The point of crumbing isn't to signal, it's to let people figure out what you did after you're dead.

Yeah but if everyone knows before you die bc you crumbed then what's the point. You gotta signal to specific people.

[Something_Smart]

It's possible to crumb a night action without people picking up on it...

[skitter30]

by ~awful~ i meant 'posting in a way that looks very very very scummy'

i wasn't trying to come off as rude so much as trying to indicate how i felt about it

do you have soemthing in particular you'd like me to explain or ?

i dont' really do wallposts anymore

You said Xayah's post #1614 looked awful and you also said Sirfetch's post #1665 looked awful and you were not explaining on why their posts looked awful since I didn't see anything wrong with those posts and it looked like they were bringing their thoughts out.

the thoughts were p bad. do u want me to go back and explain why i thought that or ...

[AaronFrost]

Aaron just scumreads every counterwagon and you are going for unpopular choices. That is a huge difference.

Uh I started the Xayah wagon D1 and played a pretty big part in the nom wagon D2. Like yeah I've been wrong on all my reads this game, but being wrong about a read doesn't make someone scum.

[skitter30]

i think adorable is town btw
i scumread pmysterious so i didn't see this coming
but rereading their posts overnight they feel so pure and cute

i'm not sure i really vibe with this

For the argument that nom was gonna provide info, we've got a fat lot of no-one slinging punches.

i mean i think we should be pushing flub today, but ok

ok w/e nobody noticed

xayah wasn't the scum kill, i'm n2 vig

i thought that aaron was n2 vig

also think skitter letting that slide but not picking up on the soft is likely an anti-tpr hunting tell btw town equity is up

to quote ss:

this crumb





my head

[skitter30]

U

nderstandable criticism.

B

eing completely honest, there were aspects of this setup that confused me at first such as the draft pick.

A

nd I did acknowledge that Billy was unlikely to be a PR but there was still a small chance that he could've gotten one.

C

alling attention to my partner's potential role like that is something I would never do as scum.

why'd you crumb like ... mid day2?

[skitter30]

The issue with UB is that scum are forced in to taking the useless cop bc it's a scum claim otherwise bc role cop is a trash role in this setup when you have a draft order and can generally guess who has what.

i'm not sure scum should be picking in that bracket at all tbh

i'm not sure i'm liking this claim from aaron

or, more accratley, i think he probably is the universal backup slot/pair/bracket but i'm not convinced he's a town one