Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[Something_Smart]

Also, could it be possible rb targeted Flubs N1 and scum’s kill was blocked again?

Edge cases...

I mean it's just as possible Flubber is actually scum vig who made a second shot N1, and one of them was blocked.

[Luca Blight]

I think Flubs has to be the lynch today now, he’s obviously never being NK.

Also, could it be possible rb targeted Flubs N1 and scum’s kill was blocked again?

Uhhh maybe. Flub is still scum for lying in a mass claim in that situation.

I mean Flubs is a scum PGO and rb targeted him (which is likely) which means rb would be killed as a result.

Of course it’s possible scum would have targeted rb anyway, but I think it’s very likely rb investigated Flubs N1.

[Luca Blight]

Also, could it be possible rb targeted Flubs N1 and scum’s kill was blocked again?

Edge cases...

I mean it's just as possible Flubber is actually scum vig who made a second shot N1, and one of them was blocked.

I think Flubs as scum likely chooses pgo over vig given his play style. I know if I were a pr I’d have probably targeted him N1 as well, because he’s the sort of player that’s hard to read.

[Sirfetchd]

I could see it.

We can get our tinfoil hats out once we are done with mass claim.

[Luca Blight]

Suji's next to claim, right?

[Luca Blight]

Or should I claim my picks

[Sirfetchd]

Nah hold it up.

Want ducky's view on this so far.

[skitter30]

ss i dont' entirely understand why you're opposing massclaim rn

[skitter30]

I also support a mass claim and I think we can figure out which claim is scum and which is town. I have a theory but I don't want to say it if we don't mass claim because I get the feeling scum will jinx my theory. Btw, I have been v/la since I replaced in and I didn't think it would matter if I didn't activate v/la since I'm still able to log in.

@ wooper i'm maybe seeing what you're seeing with adorable here

[skitter30]

I'm leaning towards lynching Flubs before Frost, but I think we need a mass-claim to progress here.

I don't mind going first - I'm VT.

let's go in order plz

[skitter30]

I'm not going to be able to fully catch up in time so I am just going to claim.

I went for the 1-shot PGO. My thought was in getting first pick I was going to be a prime target for scum to kill, so if I timed it right I could knock off a scum without sacrificing a more powerful role as an early kill. There was a time a while ago where I was getting NK'd early because games wouldn't go anywhere and I was able to look town enough make for a good target. I tried tapping into it but because I've been so lax in more recent times it threw people off and basically failed.

I tried at the very beginning of the game to slip as though I picked governor since that's something scum would want to get out of the way early, but by the end of D1 I sat in everyone's null pile so as far as I was concerned that was a failure. I still have my shot.

this is is a p scummy claim

when's the last time you were nk'd?
is this why you were try-harding and being so weird (for you) day?
if your plan was to be townie enough to eat the nk why didn't you try again yesterday?

[skitter30]

I'm confused as to what I should do when it is my turn.

claim your role and then first and second pick

[skitter30]

Flubb, I've never known you to be an obv town kind of player. Especially with your level of activity in this game. Like ok fine, I can accept not taking cop bc you might be targeted mechanically if town, but there's also JK, JOAT, Doc that are high power slots that can be devestating in the hands of scum.

I feel you are missing a lot of the paranoia I would expect. If the slots behind you are all scum then you have handed them power while they are probably able to work out with some amount of decency and the entire thing fails. If you don't obv town it fails.

Right now it looks like you have picked a role that can ensure multiple town deaths.

i feel like if he's a town pgo he's played this kinda wrong
but if he's scum and was like trying to get investigated or something he's doing p much exactly what he needs to be doing

[skitter30]

Also, could it be possible rb targeted Flubs N1 and scum’s kill was blocked again?

i think this is a p fringe case scneario and probably isn't something that needs to be considered seriously

[skitter30]

Also, could it be possible rb targeted Flubs N1 and scum’s kill was blocked again?

Edge cases...

I mean it's just as possible Flubber is actually scum vig who made a second shot N1, and one of them was blocked.

I think Flubs as scum likely chooses pgo over vig given his play style. I know if I were a pr I’d have probably targeted him N1 as well, because he’s the sort of player that’s hard to read.

that's actually what a50 did last iteration of this setup; he purposefully picked pgo and lolhammered to bait town investigatives

(not that anyone visited him and then i had to bus him and solo carry, but you know)

[Something_Smart]

ss i dont' entirely understand why you're opposing massclaim rn

I don't really think the burden of proof is on me. The benefit of massclaim to scum is obvious-- they learn who the PR"s are. The benefit to town is not obvious, and I'm not convinced that there is enough of a benefit, and nobody advocating for massclaim has convinced me of that. This is way earlier than when massclaims are normally done.

[Sirfetchd]

fmpov mass claim makes sense bc in this setup the concentration of power is known especially with a night that has vig claiming the kill and a dead scum.

[Wooper]

Flub's Pgo claim looks like a scum claim. I would expect a town Pgo to play towny and Flub's play hasn't been towny. On day 1 he did not explain his vote on Kerset and he joins a bandwagon which looked like he wanted to prevent Billy from getting more votes and being the lynch target. On day 2 when he voted nom all he says is he is the 4th vote and on post #1742 he says nom is very blatantly scum that couldn't figure out how to transition from getting through D1 to having to start thinking about their motivations onward. I didn't understand what he meant by that and nom flipped town. His whole play has just been making town pr want to visit him and this is how a scum Pgo will kill a town pr.

hi u guys not around much today, keep up the good work
has ss claimed yet? can't find it in a hurry

[Wooper]

just did an iso dive
i'm fine with SS claiming last on an unambiguous crumb (i trust his ability to crumb well, unambiguously)

if it's ambiguous and convenient we make him something_DEAD

[Luca Blight]

I agree that mass-claim is more beneficial for Town here.

Although after Flubs’ claim I wouldn’t be opposed to lynching him now and finishing the mass-claim tomorrow, unless anyone has anything important that needs sharing.

[Wooper]

Flubbernugget {

pgo

, -}

rb {

cop

, ???}

Sirfetchd {???, ???}
Something_Smart {

???

, ???}
AaronFrost {b]UniBackup[/b], doc/rb}

Xayah {???, ???} - vt

skitter30 {???, ???}
Kerset {???, ???}
PMysterious {???, ???}
wooper {

n2 vig

, wooooper}
Sujimichi {???, ???}
Luca Blight {???, ???} - vt

nomnomnom {???, ???} - vt
Billy Pilgrim {???, ???} - goon

did you claim subs luca?
and finishing massclaim tmrw would be like, ok, but it's probably quite easy to POE TPRs here

[Luca Blight]

Thinking about it, pgo is a really strong role for scum. I can’t see Flubs being Town here.

[Luca Blight]

I haven’t claimed subs yet because Fetchd said to hold off for a bit.

[Wooper]

it's also simultaneously
- a grab to look surface town
- not a valuable grab for town
- +ev grab for scum who is playing wolfy (likely to be checked)
- -ev grab for town who is playing wolfy (unlikely to be NK'd)

i'd buy it if he was like softing cop or tryna kick down doors or smth but he's literally playing scum pgo

oh.... SIRF STOP DELAYING >:c

[Wooper]

who's the boss around here? huh??? wooper or farfetch'd at a renaissance fair????
i'm the big duck this phase buddy